Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[benji]

They really can't help themselves from making unfalsifiable claims. Everything is proof that this thing is the groundwork for trans people to be eradicated. If the court had found different that would be too, it's just cover for what Trump's going to do or whatever stupid ass theory they'd come up with. All roads lead to the same place, that's just how the genocide mad masses think.

Everybody is just obsessed with me and can't think about anything but me and it makes them so angry they want to kill me and plot extensively of how to do it. I just want to be left alone. And force everyone else to believe what I say at all times and give me whatever I want. And permanently harm children to make me feel better about my own personal hangups. Is that really so wrong? Is it really that much to ask? Cis people can't give me this one thing: a permanent duty to serve me at all times? Patriarchy in action. The cruelty is the point.

[benji]

Where were all these dead trans kids 5, 10 years ago or back when I was a teen? They're talking like it was better back when nobody talked about trans issues. 

Teen suicide rates have been steady or gone up since the gender affirming care and hormone blockers.

I made a post about this before on here.  If the trans population is exploding, why?  If you're born trans, how can the proportion of the population of trans people shoot up like this?  Well, they say everyone was in the closet, and it is still something you're born with and not environmentally influenced by.  If that is true, why wasn’t there evidence that a significant share of youth suicides involved closeted trans kids who felt unable to transition?  Did every one of them somehow leave no sign that their hidden trans identity drove them to take their lives?
Why did they all choose to keep it concealed?

I haven't looked at the data myself (since it's survey data and thus borderline worthless) or know of someone who has who has the math/stats chops to do it. But just from the rates I have seen, I have above 95% confidence level that the rates of trans people when adjusted for mental illness don't exist. (I suspect even despite it being survey data this would still happen so it's maybe worthwhile after all.)

I have 95% confidence based on the existing rates matching what's known of mental illness rates, I have above 95% confidence because if it showed an increased rate for trans people once adjusted they would tell us and never stop telling us. They don't, so I know for sure what it'd show. Jack Turban is willing to commit perjury in court to lie about research findings, you think he wouldn't be telling us on Twitter all the time?

They do not want trans people to receive known working methods of therapy. Instead they want to exacerbate their mental illness to benefit their religious-political project. The cruelty is the point.

[Besticus Maximus]

I just want to make the fruits of transition available to all 

Anyone wanna see a drawing of me pulling on it?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

So many kids are going to die

Not just kids. This is laying the groundwork for trans people to be declared completely unprotected by any law.

Where were all these dead trans kids 5, 10 years ago or back when I was a teen? They're talking like it was better back when nobody talked about trans issues. 

Teen suicide rates have been steady or gone up since the gender affirming care and hormone blockers.

I made a post about this before on here.  If the trans population is exploding, why?  If you're born trans, how can the proportion of the population of trans people shoot up like this?  Well, they say it's always been the same proportion, but everyone was just in the closet and now are free to express their identity, and it is still something you're born with and not environmentally influenced by.  If that is true, why wasn’t there evidence that a significant share of youth suicides involved closeted trans kids who felt unable to transition?  Did every one of them somehow leave no sign that their hidden trans identity drove them to take their lives?
Why did they all choose to keep it concealed?

The "trans population is exploding"  because sexuality in general has been allowed to be expressed recently. It's the same reason the rise of right wing conservatism hatred has spiked. 

Why do people choose to conceal themselves? Because bigots have hardons to take them down.

[Propagandhim]

Where were all these dead trans kids 5, 10 years ago or back when I was a teen? They're talking like it was better back when nobody talked about trans issues. 

Teen suicide rates have been steady or gone up since the gender affirming care and hormone blockers.

I made a post about this before on here.  If the trans population is exploding, why?  If you're born trans, how can the proportion of the population of trans people shoot up like this?  Well, they say it's always been the same proportion, but everyone was just in the closet and now are free to express their identity, and it is still something you're born with and not environmentally influenced by.  If that is true, why wasn’t there evidence that a significant share of youth suicides involved closeted trans kids who felt unable to transition?  Did every one of them somehow leave no sign that their hidden trans identity drove them to take their lives?
Why did they all choose to keep it concealed?

The "trans population is exploding"  because sexuality in general has been allowed to be expressed recently. It's the same reason the rise of right wing conservatism hatred has spiked. 

Why do people choose to conceal themselves? Because bigots have hardons to take them down.

My overall argument was questioning whether the closet-release narrative alone can account for the rapid rise in reported transgender identification.   I don't think it can - It seems unlikely every closeted teen left zero clues in diaries, autopsies, or friend testimony that gender dysphoria drove them to suicide in the past.  But there is clearly a rise in transgender-identified people.   Where can it come from if transgenderism is purely an innate phenomenon and the past doesn't indicate the same proportion of population of transgenderism?  Something must account for the rise of it - whether undiagnosed mental illness, or personality disorder, or some other environmental explanation?  I don't know!

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I made a post about this before on here.  If the trans population is exploding, why?  If you're born trans, how can the proportion of the population of trans people shoot up like this?  Well, they say it's always been the same proportion, but everyone was just in the closet and now are free to express their identity, and it is still something you're born with and not environmentally influenced by.  If that is true, why wasn’t there evidence that a significant share of youth suicides involved closeted trans kids who felt unable to transition?  Did every one of them somehow leave no sign that their hidden trans identity drove them to take their lives?
Why did they all choose to keep it concealed?

The "trans population is exploding"  because sexuality in general has been allowed to be expressed recently. It's the same reason the rise of right wing conservatism hatred has spiked. 

Why do people choose to conceal themselves? Because bigots have hardons to take them down.

My overall argument was questioning whether the closet-release narrative alone can account for the rapid rise in reported transgender identification.   I don't think it can - It seems unlikely every closeted teen left zero clues in diaries, autopsies, or friend testimony that gender dysphoria drove them to suicide in the past.  But there is clearly a rise in transgender-identified people.   Where can it come from if transgenderism is purely an innate phenomenon and the past doesn't indicate the same proportion of population of transgenderism?  Something must account for the rise of it - whether undiagnosed mental illness, or personality disorder, or some other environmental explanation?  I don't know!

I think your understanding of how transgender people come out is faulty.  There is this idea between you and a whole bunch of people here that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, or something innately negative. 

You're right, you don't know.

[Boredfrom]

Where were all these dead trans kids 5, 10 years ago or back when I was a teen? They're talking like it was better back when nobody talked about trans issues. 

Teen suicide rates have been steady or gone up since the gender affirming care and hormone blockers.

I made a post about this before on here.  If the trans population is exploding, why?  If you're born trans, how can the proportion of the population of trans people shoot up like this?  Well, they say it's always been the same proportion, but everyone was just in the closet and now are free to express their identity, and it is still something you're born with and not environmentally influenced by.  If that is true, why wasn’t there evidence that a significant share of youth suicides involved closeted trans kids who felt unable to transition?  Did every one of them somehow leave no sign that their hidden trans identity drove them to take their lives?
Why did they all choose to keep it concealed?

The "trans population is exploding"  because sexuality in general has been allowed to be expressed recently. It's the same reason the rise of right wing conservatism hatred has spiked. 

Why do people choose to conceal themselves? Because bigots have hardons to take them down.

Isn’t supposed to be gender and not sexuality based?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I made a post about this before on here.  If the trans population is exploding, why?  If you're born trans, how can the proportion of the population of trans people shoot up like this?  Well, they say it's always been the same proportion, but everyone was just in the closet and now are free to express their identity, and it is still something you're born with and not environmentally influenced by.  If that is true, why wasn’t there evidence that a significant share of youth suicides involved closeted trans kids who felt unable to transition?  Did every one of them somehow leave no sign that their hidden trans identity drove them to take their lives?
Why did they all choose to keep it concealed?

The "trans population is exploding"  because sexuality in general has been allowed to be expressed recently. It's the same reason the rise of right wing conservatism hatred has spiked. 

Why do people choose to conceal themselves? Because bigots have hardons to take them down.

Isn’t supposed to be gender and not sexuality based?

Gender and sexuality are not separate.

[Daffy Duck]

Uh oh. Nick Frost has failed the purity test and has now been added to the list of undesirables -

Fuck Nick Frost.

At this point it's fuck any actors who accept a role on that show

Any adult actor in the HP series is indeed a complicit piece of shit on my no watch list. Nick Frost moreso with that statement.

Absolutely, may they never rest over this. They can't even claim to be supportive of trans rights while continuing to stay on the show that will directly benefit her, it doesn't work that way.

Shame. He seemed like such a nice, reasonable man too. Oh well. Off to the toxic sludge with him.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-143#post-141617886

“No Harry Potter news”

Unless it’s in our little clique thread.

[Boredfrom]

The "trans population is exploding"  because sexuality in general has been allowed to be expressed recently. It's the same reason the rise of right wing conservatism hatred has spiked. 

Why do people choose to conceal themselves? Because bigots have hardons to take them down.

My overall argument was questioning whether the closet-release narrative alone can account for the rapid rise in reported transgender identification.   I don't think it can - It seems unlikely every closeted teen left zero clues in diaries, autopsies, or friend testimony that gender dysphoria drove them to suicide in the past.  But there is clearly a rise in transgender-identified people.   Where can it come from if transgenderism is purely an innate phenomenon and the past doesn't indicate the same proportion of population of transgenderism?  Something must account for the rise of it - whether undiagnosed mental illness, or personality disorder, or some other environmental explanation?  I don't know!

I think your understanding of how transgender people come out is faulty.  There is this idea between you and a whole bunch of people here that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, or something innately negative. 

You're right, you don't know.

I m going to say the same that I posted with plagiarized: you are not helping them by denying or obfuscating the controversies.

[Boredfrom]

The "trans population is exploding"  because sexuality in general has been allowed to be expressed recently. It's the same reason the rise of right wing conservatism hatred has spiked. 

Why do people choose to conceal themselves? Because bigots have hardons to take them down.

Isn’t supposed to be gender and not sexuality based?

Gender and sexuality are not separate.

[Bootsthecat]

The "trans population is exploding"  because sexuality in general has been allowed to be expressed recently. It's the same reason the rise of right wing conservatism hatred has spiked. 

Why do people choose to conceal themselves? Because bigots have hardons to take them down.

My overall argument was questioning whether the closet-release narrative alone can account for the rapid rise in reported transgender identification.   I don't think it can - It seems unlikely every closeted teen left zero clues in diaries, autopsies, or friend testimony that gender dysphoria drove them to suicide in the past.  But there is clearly a rise in transgender-identified people.   Where can it come from if transgenderism is purely an innate phenomenon and the past doesn't indicate the same proportion of population of transgenderism?  Something must account for the rise of it - whether undiagnosed mental illness, or personality disorder, or some other environmental explanation?  I don't know!

I think your understanding of how transgender people come out is faulty.  There is this idea between you and a whole bunch of people here that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, or something innately negative. 

You're right, you don't know.

Legit retard talk. Luv u dude

Trans women are mentally ill men. It is a social contagion. There is no dispute, really, just degrees of retards claiming otherwise.

Men...cannot become women

[Cauliflower Of Love]

You can choose to be dumb. It's ok.

[Propagandhim]

The "trans population is exploding"  because sexuality in general has been allowed to be expressed recently. It's the same reason the rise of right wing conservatism hatred has spiked. 

Why do people choose to conceal themselves? Because bigots have hardons to take them down.

My overall argument was questioning whether the closet-release narrative alone can account for the rapid rise in reported transgender identification.   I don't think it can - It seems unlikely every closeted teen left zero clues in diaries, autopsies, or friend testimony that gender dysphoria drove them to suicide in the past.  But there is clearly a rise in transgender-identified people.   Where can it come from if transgenderism is purely an innate phenomenon and the past doesn't indicate the same proportion of population of transgenderism?  Something must account for the rise of it - whether undiagnosed mental illness, or personality disorder, or some other environmental explanation?  I don't know!

I think your understanding of how transgender people come out is faulty.  There is this idea between you and a whole bunch of people here that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, or something innately negative. 

You're right, you don't know.

You're not understanding what I'm saying.  I'll do it step by step.  My skepticism is aimed at the data, not the individual people.   The share of U.S. adults who identify as transgender has nearly doubled since 2017 , and among Gen Z it is more than five times higher than among boomers.  Because gender identity is presented as innate, I struggle to understand how the underlying prevalence could shift so sharply in just a few years without any agreed-upon environmental explanation.  The standard answer, like the one you used is “they were all in the closet and now can express themselves” or something to that effect.  It seems like an incomplete answer when records on teen suicide do not (or rarely) mention hidden gender dysphoria, even though transgender youth have the highest documented suicide-attempt rate today.    Are you following me?  If stigma alone explained everything, we should have found at least some historical diaries, autopsies, friend accounts, notes, whatever, indicating that closeted trans feelings were a suicide driver in the past when the rates of trans-identified people were lower, yet the evidence isn't there.  What accounts for the rise?  You suggest my view treats gender dysphoria as a mental illness, but the DSM-5 classifies it as a clinical condition so people can receive care for the condition!  That's the point of the diagnosis - it's not a moral judgement i have!  I just want an explanatory factor for the rise that satisfies the issues I have with understanding it.    And until we can reconcile those unsatisfying conflicts - the rising prevalence, the innate biological explanation, and the incomplete historical trace of the past explanation - I will keep struggling with this question about where the rising rate comes from (which has implications in using guilt of suicide as a cudgel for these discussions).

[Boredfrom]

Look, I’m perfectly okay with the idea of letting others live their lives as much as they want… because they are adults. .

[benji]

I think your understanding of how transgender people come out is faulty.  There is this idea between you and a whole bunch of people here that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, or something innately negative. 

You're right, you don't know.

So then it doesn't need to be treated and nobody else has to be on the hook to pay for it. We don't need any of the medical and scientific lies at all. Nor do they need to be forced to respect what is most likely a misogynistic claim.

Of course nobody is going to understand claims that are inherently contradictory and incoherent.

[Bootsthecat]

It's the ultimate misogyny. "Fuck off bitch woman who rejected me for a lifetime being a loser as a man; I can become you"

[Yulwei v2]

"Sarah McBride in an NYT Interview w/ Ezra Klein Declares that the Trans Left has Overstepped on Everything from Trans Youth Care to the Word Cisgender"

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sarah-mcbride-in-an-nyt-interview-w-ezra-klein-declares-that-the-trans-left-has-overstepped-on-everything-from-trans-youth-care-to-the-word-cisgender.1222614/

That ought to be an interesting thread

[Yulwei v2]

Uh oh. Nick Frost has failed the purity test and has now been added to the list of undesirables -

Fuck Nick Frost.

At this point it's fuck any actors who accept a role on that show

Any adult actor in the HP series is indeed a complicit piece of shit on my no watch list. Nick Frost moreso with that statement.

Absolutely, may they never rest over this. They can't even claim to be supportive of trans rights while continuing to stay on the show that will directly benefit her, it doesn't work that way.

Shame. He seemed like such a nice, reasonable man too. Oh well. Off to the toxic sludge with him.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-143#post-141617886

Any adult actor in HP is complicit and over on the gaming side Kyuuji will take one for the team and 100% Hogwarts Legacy 2 in order to catalogue all the transphobic nonsense that's sure to be in that game 

[Lonewulfeus]

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It's the ultimate misogyny. "Fuck off bitch woman who rejected me for a lifetime being a loser as a man; I can become you"

Yea this is where I am, men stampeding into women’s spaces and redefining what it means to be a woman is crazy and should absolutely be shut down.

[Propagandhim]

Now why did I tell you this... because you can fundamentally tell that Sarah McBride thinks that the authentic, true trans experience , is self loathing and pain, I fundamentally don't think she understands the idea of trans joy, specifically trans joy that isn't just yay I haz proper genitals now... and she's not alone in that sentiment... it's fundamentally the core reasoning behind transmedicalists and whatnot, and it's fucking bullshit, it's limiting, it's oppressive, it's dangerous, it's harmful and it's really fucking conceited.

This is the same kind of incredulousness I face when I tell people I make some pretty good vegan almond joy.  No, I get this shit now.  I get this shit.

[nachobro]

the fruits of transition 

[Nintex]

hope yall take care of the later generations, because you are murdering us right now

fucking cowards

nigga please, you joined this club like last week.

[Propagandhim]

I've been marching in the streets and fighting for our civil rights for....dozens of hours!  DOZENS!

[benji]

Now why did I tell you this... because you can fundamentally tell that Sarah McBride thinks that the authentic, true trans experience , is self loathing and pain, I fundamentally don't think she understands the idea of trans joy, specifically trans joy that isn't just yay I haz proper genitals now... and she's not alone in that sentiment... it's fundamentally the core reasoning behind transmedicalists and whatnot, and it's fucking bullshit, it's limiting, it's oppressive, it's dangerous, it's harmful and it's really fucking conceited.

This is the same kind of incredulousness I face when I tell people I make some pretty good vegan almond joy.  No, I get this shit now.  I get this shit.

Definitely doesn't sound like what it means to properly know Christ, no sir. The Calvinists are wrong, it's all about the alms.

[Mask]

Self-ID was always untenable, but medicating children with irreversible effects based on the whims of their developing brains was a true evil plan.  Essentially re-introducing the anorexia, lobotomy, and the Prozac crazes except doing it for ideological, monetary, and political gain.

I'm glad to see pushback and results, but I'm not happy that the cult still remains. I'm also not happy that it took electing an idiot clown to the presidency to start taking care of this.

Has any government ever successfully eradicated a cult started in the digital age?

[Vertigo]

A huge swath of the transwomen on the left are insane and arrogant they majorly overstepped and we're seeing the pushback on them now.

Allies and friends were thrown in the trash and 'cancelled' for imagined slights.

Boy sorry 'lady' who cried wolf nonsense about trans genocides, made the people watching from the sidelines back away when they saw how you weaponised this nonsense over and over again as a threat when you didn't get your way.

When you have Balding, socially weird freaks like Kyujji and Melody and the latest inductee, fat4cum as your front people its time to worry.

I'll support the trans people I know who understand that you won't get everything you want asap, but you win friends and influence by being smart. Knowing what battles to push on and which to hold on.

Not be a screaming pile of shit.

[Jansen]

People of gender everywhere on the Internet are having panic attacks and talking about suicide today. Why anybody would think the root cause is mental illness is beyond me!

[El Derpo]

"Sarah McBride in an NYT Interview w/ Ezra Klein Declares that the Trans Left has Overstepped on Everything from Trans Youth Care to the Word Cisgender"

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sarah-mcbride-in-an-nyt-interview-w-ezra-klein-declares-that-the-trans-left-has-overstepped-on-everything-from-trans-youth-care-to-the-word-cisgender.1222614/

That ought to be an interesting thread

I feel for her, because she clearly just wants to live her life as someone who feels comfortable in their skin. I’ll also say that I’ve never had a negative interaction with a trans person out in the real world. 

There’s an incredibly loud and online portion of the trans community, as exemplified by ResetERA, who are completely disconnected from the real world. It’s like someone only knowing about sex from watching porn, they have a fucked up and overwhelmingly sexual idea of what being a woman is about then cry foul that women might not want the same kind of people that post all day about rubbing their girl-cock sharing their dressing rooms.

I do often need to remind myself that judging all Trans people based on the creeps in the RE trans community isn’t fair, because most just want to live their life and be left alone.

[Jansen]

I just want to make the fruits of transition available to all 

Anyone wanna see a drawing of me pulling on it?

What's your ko-fi?