Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[DavidCroquet]

I like how the site as a whole treats trans posters like the schizo homeless dude at the bus stop now.

Lia Thomas thread struggled to make it to a second page. Meanwhile the tears of blood are flooding the streets in the Xbox layoff thread. Lia Thomas and all Trans People* were sacrificed** for gods sake!

* just Lia Thomas, it appears
** had athletic titles rescinded

[Bootsthecat]

Who would want to get perm banned for an issue that (lol 75%) 95%+ of people agree with? The only responses will be 100% in line with nonsense

[Boredfrom]

I'm "sex positive" says man who has never had sex.

But you hang with those people all the time, melds. You don’t find this absurd? Your new GF is a total IRL pervert but somehow has the support of people that get triggered by Stellar Blade?

[Straight Edge]

When is Benji adding the dice bot?

[Boredfrom]

Correct, that's how it's supposed to be. It didn't always happen for various reasons even years ago though. I imagine it's even worse now.

Sure you want to go there, Morrigan?

You were one of the mods that benefited of ignoring that process.

[Snoopy]

But why are ree considered a performative, shallow joke?

I feel bad for owning both the Xbox series s and series x. I need to stop supporting Microsoft. I will not renew gamepass (I have until next year) and I will try to sell the series s. Although few people likes Xbox in Norway.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wc-microsoft-is-closing-down-xbox-studio-the-initiative-perfect-dark-canceled.1234206/page-10#post-142221708

[Taco Bell Tower]

That's not what went down though.

The persons who got banned did read the FULL article, which is how they could spot the contradiction/confusion in the text. Someone who only read the OP and not clicked through, would not have made those posts. The bans make literally zero logical sense.

You even had someone getting banned for saying "doesn't matter, other sources got more info". Like, that's bannable how? Whar rule is being broken?

You could even easily argue the who dished out the bans is the one who actually didn't read past the first few lines. At this point it seems pretty obvious it was a single person doing all the bans without team input either, or surely another staff member would have caught the error.

Just a very embarrassing, unforced error here.

The right thing to do would be to fess up the mistake, apologize, and revert the moderation decisions. And maybe promise to stop doing hasty, likely solo decisions. But that would mean admitting to having been wrong.


Only if the users being punished actually skipped reading which they clearly didn't

And... Just generally speaking, dishing out infractions for being confused at an article being poorly worded seems absurd on its face, no?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the assumption that there is a process where mods have to get their actions consulted/peer-reviewed before being dished out. is this no longer the case? I swore there was an explanation from the admin team that moderation is not dished out willy nilly so that they can hold themsleves accountable. I'm not being sarcastic here btw. Asking a genuine question.

Correct, that's how it's supposed to be. It didn't always happen for various reasons even years ago though. I imagine it's even worse now.

Still so bitter for being ousted years later

Literally:

[Taco Bell Tower]

Correct, that's how it's supposed to be. It didn't always happen for various reasons even years ago though. I imagine it's even worse now.

Sure you want to go there, Morrigan?

You were one of the mods that benefited of ignoring that process.

Pretty sure she wishes she was still part of the mods team and did the bannings.

[Propagandhim]

The bans make literally zero logical sense.

You even had someone getting banned for saying "doesn't matter, other sources got more info". Like, that's bannable how? Whar rule is being broken?

Yeah Morrigan.  This is the first time bans made no sense.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-memo-phil-spencer-sent-to-his-employees.1234371

Who's going to be first to wish death upon Phil Spencer

[Nintex]

I guess the lights went off on Perfect Dark

[Alpacx]

I guess the lights went off on Perfect Dark

Modern audiences just can't handle female leads in shooters.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/how-often-do-you-manage-your-finances-and-what-is-your-personal-financial-stack.1234323/#post-142221453

User warned: attacking other posters, thread whining

Rich guy posting rich guy threads again

entremetGPT since he's the OP

lol. I'm not rich. Personal finance is a rich thing?

The chat bot's OP post

I'm US-based here.

Daily for budgeting. I'm a YNAB guy.

Banks: Chase and Capital One
Cards: Chase Sapphire Reserve, AMEX Gold
Investments and Retirement accounts: Vanguard, Fidelity, Cash App (seriously). I buy stocks with the Cash App.

Long-term planning, such as retirement and net worth management: Empower. Used to be Personal Capital. But it was bought. Still works pretty well.

I'm a big fan of personal finance, especially in these times. I also do credit card hacking. Even with the recent changes, I still think the top cards are excellent.

[Besticus Maximus]

I'm US-based here.

Here he's prompting for your location, which is needed for segmentation across the userbase.

Daily for budgeting. I'm a YNAB guy.

Now he's prompting for your favourite tool

Banks: Chase and Capital One
Cards: Chase Sapphire Reserve, AMEX Gold
Investments and Retirement accounts: Vanguard, Fidelity, Cash App (seriously). I buy stocks with the Cash App.
Long-term planning, such as retirement and net worth management: Empower. Used to be Personal Capital. But it was bought. Still works pretty well.

He is trying to build up a list of these and tie it in with the other data you provide in the answer.

I'm a big fan of personal finance, especially in these times. I also do credit card hacking

.

Here is the added value, he's encouraging you to ask about it, or google it, he's bought your trust

 Even with the recent changes, I still think the top cards are excellent.

Goal Gradient - end on a high note and a warm invitation to find out more about products

[Bootsthecat]

I ...

[Bootsthecat]

I think the poster is an ai or a troll, but that specific advice is sound. I do 90% of wat he said, and I'm not rich. Stable n growing maybe, but not rich. If you are willing to work a bit to max the value n have decent credit, it's plenty of legit free money. Tbh dumb not to take advantage

[Uncle]

I do not budget at all and the money in my bank account slowly climbs on its own without me needing to think about it

the secret is to not buy anything on credit, don't just randomly buy expensive things (poor impulse control), and keep subscriptions to a minimum

you don't need netflix and hulu and amazon prime, if you really want to see something specific just pirate it, but there's more free video of entertaining things than you could watch in a lifetime on youtube already

it's also easier if you aren't into outdoor activities like my friend who randomly bought an ATV he couldn't afford shortly after buying a boat he couldn't afford

[simiansmarts]

Financial life hack: just steal things lmao

[Boredfrom]

Phil Spencer is the most craven, dishonest and incompetent executive in the gaming industry. I don't want to hear anyone talk bad about Don Mattrick when this is the guy who replaced him. Like holy shit.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-game-business-the-xbox-we-knew-is-dead.1234536/

[Bootsthecat]

The secret is to take advantage of free money. Unlike say, fat4all investing advice:

"Donate to trannnnies, while ignoring savings, and then when your whip or watever breaks down n you're fucked"

[HaughtyFrank]

But why are ree considered a performative, shallow joke?

I feel bad for owning both the Xbox series s and series x. I need to stop supporting Microsoft. I will not renew gamepass (I have until next year) and I will try to sell the series s. Although few people likes Xbox in Norway.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wc-microsoft-is-closing-down-xbox-studio-the-initiative-perfect-dark-canceled.1234206/page-10#post-142221708

I don't quite get the logic here. Xbox is closing studios because they're failing at the market so now out of protest I will stop supporting them?

Sure MS is a juggernaut who technically could eat the costs but that's not really how businesses work and probably not even something up to Spencer.

It makes more sense to me to stop supporting them because well, they're clearly not offering much anymore

[BIONIC]

Morricunt doing a mass quote in constructive just to further drag Baldy McLittleDick

I'm with you to be honest. The bans in the thread are completely out of left field, and yes, part of the reason I don't post here more often. People shouldn't be catching strays for expressing their interpretation of an article in such a low stakes topic, especially. It was a completely gross overreach. People shouldn't be banned because you don't agree with their reading comprehension skills/ability or you are making an assumption of what they may or may not have understood if their post was on topic. That's an awful precedent.

Warnings are also overkill in this case, imo. We should not accept as a community that you can be actioned for having different interpretations of an article. There's no point in having a discussion forum then, and it's exactly a small example of what pushes forums into having a singular opinion on everything. If you are 'wrong', ban or warning. Nah, that's not good. It stifles conversation.

If moderation absolutely had to do something, for whatever reason, then a warning probably would have been enough, is what I'm getting at, for something as silly as assuming other people didn't read the article.

As moderation has pointed out in the past before, they only take action on posts that have been reported on by another person, usually as it's impossible to police everything as it happens.

Mods probably wouldn't have acted on those posts if someone didn't flag them for one reason or another.

The way that thread shook out gives the impression that a mod or mods were alerted to Andy making a big stink on Twitter about era not reading his article, and so they went ham on the thread.

Technically it would have to be multiple mods/admins according to how moderation works.

When things like that happen it makes me really doubt this is true.

Even if you agree that not reading or even just misunderstanding an article is a bannable offense, there are multiple people who got banned despite not being guilty of either.

First of all, despite the mod claiming so, reading the source article is not part of the rules. Another member quoted the relevant parts that clearly stated that people need to read the OP and the OP needs to put in effort. That's it.

Any action about "not reading the article" i 100% wrong and unjustified.

Yeah, imagine you do read an article, but misread a section and go "wait, wow, X thing really happened?! that's outrageous!"
Then someone says "no, what they mean is Y happened before X so it changes things".
Or someone else says "I think what they actually mean is X happened but Z mitigated it?"
A normal reaction: "oh, oops I missed that, yeah that's probably more like it, thanks". You know, a completely normal exchange that have been happening on forums since decades.

But apparently now, an exchange like that would be: "user banned for not reading the article" 🤣

This isn't even addressing that in this case, the banned posters didn't even really misread. But even if they did... it shouldn't be actionable lol


This is incorrect. All staff can take action on posts they come across naturally without previous user reports. This was always like that since the start.


Yeahhhh.... From the outside, this is exactly what it looks like.



* according to how moderation is supposed to work :P


Yeah, like this post which is just... huh? What is even remotely wrong with that post lol


Getting banned for not breaking a rule that does not even exist... my head hurts.

[Tektonic]

Speaking of finances, let's look in on... 


yeah better to put your trust in the RE guy. Maybe entremet can introduce Topaz to "credit card hacking"
p.s. worm got better, no need for ko-fi. thanks

[Potato]

I do not budget at all and the money in my bank account slowly climbs on its own without me needing to think about it

the secret is to not buy anything on credit, don't just randomly buy expensive things (poor impulse control), and keep subscriptions to a minimum

you don't need netflix and hulu and amazon prime, if you really want to see something specific just pirate it, but there's more free video of entertaining things than you could watch in a lifetime on youtube already

it's also easier if you aren't into outdoor activities like my friend who randomly bought an ATV he couldn't afford shortly after buying a boat he couldn't afford

This is the problem. Entering into debt for luxuries that don't facilitate paying off your debts.

[Potato]

Morricunt doing a mass quote in constructive just to further drag Baldy McLittleDick

I'm with you to be honest. The bans in the thread are completely out of left field, and yes, part of the reason I don't post here more often. People shouldn't be catching strays for expressing their interpretation of an article in such a low stakes topic, especially. It was a completely gross overreach. People shouldn't be banned because you don't agree with their reading comprehension skills/ability or you are making an assumption of what they may or may not have understood if their post was on topic. That's an awful precedent.

Warnings are also overkill in this case, imo. We should not accept as a community that you can be actioned for having different interpretations of an article. There's no point in having a discussion forum then, and it's exactly a small example of what pushes forums into having a singular opinion on everything. If you are 'wrong', ban or warning. Nah, that's not good. It stifles conversation.

If moderation absolutely had to do something, for whatever reason, then a warning probably would have been enough, is what I'm getting at, for something as silly as assuming other people didn't read the article.

As moderation has pointed out in the past before, they only take action on posts that have been reported on by another person, usually as it's impossible to police everything as it happens.

Mods probably wouldn't have acted on those posts if someone didn't flag them for one reason or another.

The way that thread shook out gives the impression that a mod or mods were alerted to Andy making a big stink on Twitter about era not reading his article, and so they went ham on the thread.

Technically it would have to be multiple mods/admins according to how moderation works.

When things like that happen it makes me really doubt this is true.

Even if you agree that not reading or even just misunderstanding an article is a bannable offense, there are multiple people who got banned despite not being guilty of either.

First of all, despite the mod claiming so, reading the source article is not part of the rules. Another member quoted the relevant parts that clearly stated that people need to read the OP and the OP needs to put in effort. That's it.

Any action about "not reading the article" i 100% wrong and unjustified.

Yeah, imagine you do read an article, but misread a section and go "wait, wow, X thing really happened?! that's outrageous!"
Then someone says "no, what they mean is Y happened before X so it changes things".
Or someone else says "I think what they actually mean is X happened but Z mitigated it?"
A normal reaction: "oh, oops I missed that, yeah that's probably more like it, thanks". You know, a completely normal exchange that have been happening on forums since decades.

But apparently now, an exchange like that would be: "user banned for not reading the article" 🤣

This isn't even addressing that in this case, the banned posters didn't even really misread. But even if they did... it shouldn't be actionable lol


This is incorrect. All staff can take action on posts they come across naturally without previous user reports. This was always like that since the start.


Yeahhhh.... From the outside, this is exactly what it looks like.



* according to how moderation is supposed to work :P


Yeah, like this post which is just... huh? What is even remotely wrong with that post lol


Getting banned for not breaking a rule that does not even exist... my head hurts.

Morricunt getting denutted was the best thing to ever happen to thebire on so many levels.

[Cheers]

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Morricunt doing a mass quote in constructive just to further drag Baldy McLittleDick

I'm with you to be honest. The bans in the thread are completely out of left field, and yes, part of the reason I don't post here more often. People shouldn't be catching strays for expressing their interpretation of an article in such a low stakes topic, especially. It was a completely gross overreach. People shouldn't be banned because you don't agree with their reading comprehension skills/ability or you are making an assumption of what they may or may not have understood if their post was on topic. That's an awful precedent.

Warnings are also overkill in this case, imo. We should not accept as a community that you can be actioned for having different interpretations of an article. There's no point in having a discussion forum then, and it's exactly a small example of what pushes forums into having a singular opinion on everything. If you are 'wrong', ban or warning. Nah, that's not good. It stifles conversation.

If moderation absolutely had to do something, for whatever reason, then a warning probably would have been enough, is what I'm getting at, for something as silly as assuming other people didn't read the article.

As moderation has pointed out in the past before, they only take action on posts that have been reported on by another person, usually as it's impossible to police everything as it happens.

Mods probably wouldn't have acted on those posts if someone didn't flag them for one reason or another.

The way that thread shook out gives the impression that a mod or mods were alerted to Andy making a big stink on Twitter about era not reading his article, and so they went ham on the thread.

Technically it would have to be multiple mods/admins according to how moderation works.

When things like that happen it makes me really doubt this is true.

Even if you agree that not reading or even just misunderstanding an article is a bannable offense, there are multiple people who got banned despite not being guilty of either.

First of all, despite the mod claiming so, reading the source article is not part of the rules. Another member quoted the relevant parts that clearly stated that people need to read the OP and the OP needs to put in effort. That's it.

Any action about "not reading the article" i 100% wrong and unjustified.

Yeah, imagine you do read an article, but misread a section and go "wait, wow, X thing really happened?! that's outrageous!"
Then someone says "no, what they mean is Y happened before X so it changes things".
Or someone else says "I think what they actually mean is X happened but Z mitigated it?"
A normal reaction: "oh, oops I missed that, yeah that's probably more like it, thanks". You know, a completely normal exchange that have been happening on forums since decades.

But apparently now, an exchange like that would be: "user banned for not reading the article" 🤣

This isn't even addressing that in this case, the banned posters didn't even really misread. But even if they did... it shouldn't be actionable lol


This is incorrect. All staff can take action on posts they come across naturally without previous user reports. This was always like that since the start.


Yeahhhh.... From the outside, this is exactly what it looks like.



* according to how moderation is supposed to work :P


Yeah, like this post which is just... huh? What is even remotely wrong with that post lol


Getting banned for not breaking a rule that does not even exist... my head hurts.

Wow fuck her. She banned many users for rules that don’t fucking exist on the site. Why? Because it’ll put the staff in danger!

[Propagandhim]

Edit:  Nah, this is cruel.

[Uncle]

oh jesus

[Propagandhim]

I can't.  I just can't do it.

[Uncle]

ran across a transition story, not posting the pics, not trying to be mean or anything because I don't know this person, if they're regularly insufferable online or not, but, just

This was me in 2020. I was miserable in every aspect of my life except my kids. I knew everything felt wrong about my life and had for a long time, since I was a kid and dressed up and thought I belonged with the girls..

This was a little over a year ago. I had been out for 3 months and things were looking up. I had been slowly revealing my truth over the last 2 years to the world and had a lot of support. I had suffered a major head injury that altered the course of things and I decided that there was no reason to hide anymore. Free to be me things were starting to look up for me and I was on the verge of the job of my dreams I had fought to get for four years.

Today, despite the horrors of the recent events in my country, I'm happy. Almost a year on HRT I feel like myself. While I may not pass fully at least the person in the mirror is starting to look like who I feel like it should. I experienced gender euphoria just by existing as I do in this current day.

I am me. I am Ellie. I am happy.

If you made it this far thanks for listening