Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[benji]

That doesn't count all the chuds who get away with it by posting right up to the line with dogwhistles like "day 1, can't wait" and the staff don't do anything because it "technically doesn't break the rules" even as we all know exactly what they're doing.

It's well known that Nazi pedophiles post things like "trailer looks great" and this is code to other Nazi pedophiles that means "I would enjoy engaging in sexual intercourse with children" even as it seems "harmless" to the rest of us. Here's an old news report with more of these dogwhistles:


The Stellar Blade 2 lovers are basically clapping in a crowded theater. Of vulnerable children. And the Zionist-funded staff are just like "this is fine."

[jooseloose]

It's back!
https://www.resetera.com/threads/shift-up-ceo-kim-hyung-tae-confirms-they-intentionally-made-evie-younger-and-shorter.1543933/

Clicky got banned

Can't find the post where it happened, though

https://www.resetera.com/threads/shift-up-ceo-kim-hyung-tae-confirms-they-intentionally-made-evie-younger-and-shorter.1543933/post-156074950

User banned (2 weeks): using a GenAI article to make a thread on a sensitive topic

They hate him as much as we do 

You love to see it

[kaleidoscopium]

Thank you mods for updating all of the threads.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-bds-movement-calls-for-a-boycott-of-xbox-and-microsoft-gaming-products-over-its-parent-companys-complicity-in-the-genocide-in-gaza.1155057/page-34#post-156063094

“Subtle” dig? None of the Xbox threads from the past day that I can see have their Palestine Hamas banner

[jooseloose]

Thank you mods for updating all of the threads.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-bds-movement-calls-for-a-boycott-of-xbox-and-microsoft-gaming-products-over-its-parent-companys-complicity-in-the-genocide-in-gaza.1155057/page-34#post-156063094

“Subtle” dig? None of the Xbox threads from the past day that I can see have their Palestine Hamas banner

Transistor is slacking!

[kaleidoscopium]

Did find this thread in the search though 

I've been pretty good about supporting the BDS boycott and not giving money to Microsoft, but today I made an exception. On the other hand, check out my cool car! I grabbed some cool Miyabi, Yixuan, and other designs, but I dont have the right car for them yet.

[multiple photos of anime weeb car in the new forza game] 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/zenless-zone-zero-ot2-bangboo-for-your-buck.1208418/page-741#post-155655238

[Taco Bell Tower]

Asha, if you can get a small team to work on 60fps patches for Crash Trilogy, Crash Team Racing and Spyro Trilogy, I will buy the green Xbox.

I guess Jeff supporting the genocide company tracks with him supporting the Nazi chud CSAM generator website

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Also literal manchild Jesus fucking Christ

How the mighty has fallen 

[Uncle]

EVERY time I see BDS I cannot remember what it's supposed to stand for or even what it supports or opposes and my mind just goes Big Dick Syndrome

[Daffy Duck]

Scary Movie doing so well when it has a hate crime against a non-binary person played for laughs is especially a bummer

Happy Pride Month, I guess :/

We were so close to getting the line

https://www.resetera.com/threads/deadline-%E2%80%98scary-movie%E2%80%99-screams-to-franchise-paramount-comedy-record-55m-bow-%E2%80%98masters-of-the-universe%E2%80%99-manages-29-3m-for-a-pic-that-cost-170m.1543222/page-2

[HaughtyFrank]

Scary Movie doing so well when it has a hate crime against a non-binary person played for laughs is especially a bummer

Happy Pride Month, I guess :/

We were so close to getting the line

https://www.resetera.com/threads/deadline-%E2%80%98scary-movie%E2%80%99-screams-to-franchise-paramount-comedy-record-55m-bow-%E2%80%98masters-of-the-universe%E2%80%99-manages-29-3m-for-a-pic-that-cost-170m.1543222/page-2

Pretty funny how they declare that the movie depicts a hate crime merely because someone non binary gets stabbed, seemingly unaware that an important element of a hate crime is that it's targeted at someone's identity and yet the whole joke in the trailer is that no one even knew that she's non binary

[kaleidoscopium]

The scene in the movie goes a bit longer (the stabbed NB person gets mad at a “Karen” for not helping her, so the “Karen” stabs the woman stabs her a second time saying her name is actually Karen. Then a construction guy stabs her because she was complaining about mansplaining, then a midget stabs her for another reason I’m forgetting, it was all a bit of a fever dream about how annoying NB people are basically while demanding everyone respect them

[Cheers]

https://famiboards.com/threads/crazy-taxi-world-tour-is-coming-to-switch-2-xbox-ps5-and-steam-in-2027.17691/#post-2323902 
 

Seems to say AI wasn’t utilized for art and music in game and more so the less creative, rote parts of development.

I'd rather an extra 6 months of development, even if it was for the extra "rote" parts, as it shows the developers actually put in their own blood, sweat, and tears to create the game.

 
 

Remember though, NO CRUNCH TIME! Stop genociding devs!

[Uncle]

Scary Movie doing so well when it has a hate crime against a non-binary person played for laughs is especially a bummer

Happy Pride Month, I guess :/

We were so close to getting the line

https://www.resetera.com/threads/deadline-%E2%80%98scary-movie%E2%80%99-screams-to-franchise-paramount-comedy-record-55m-bow-%E2%80%98masters-of-the-universe%E2%80%99-manages-29-3m-for-a-pic-that-cost-170m.1543222/page-2

Pretty funny how they declare that the movie depicts a hate crime merely because someone non binary gets stabbed, seemingly unaware that an important element of a hate crime is that it's targeted at someone's identity and yet the whole joke in the trailer is that no one even knew that she's non binary

and again...the former refrain that "we're just like anybody else, we want to be treated like anybody else, we don't want people to NOTICE we're different, we just want to be equal"

well ok fine you can get murdered in horror comedies like anyone else

"no not like that"

[Bootsthecat]

Thank you mods for updating all of the threads.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-bds-movement-calls-for-a-boycott-of-xbox-and-microsoft-gaming-products-over-its-parent-companys-complicity-in-the-genocide-in-gaza.1155057/page-34#post-156063094

“Subtle” dig? None of the Xbox threads from the past day that I can see have their Palestine Hamas banner

So, I've never even seen any disclaimers, which I assume is because I don't have ree account. Kinda makes it funnier if you only see that if you're a member

[kaleidoscopium]

Thank you mods for updating all of the threads.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-bds-movement-calls-for-a-boycott-of-xbox-and-microsoft-gaming-products-over-its-parent-companys-complicity-in-the-genocide-in-gaza.1155057/page-34#post-156063094

“Subtle” dig? None of the Xbox threads from the past day that I can see have their Palestine Hamas banner

So, I've never even seen any disclaimers, which I assume is because I don't have ree account. Kinda makes it funnier if you only see that if you're a member

I had seen them in the past, but you’re right they may have made it members only

[Shecky Fragbaum]

B-dubs and his brigade of black-American chauvinistic bigots

It's about time someone had the guts to say it.


Also: center-right? Who is *actually* impressed by people continually claiming resetera isn't EVEN left-leaning? 
Where is the mythical *actual* leftist ideal forum they keep falling short of?

[Cheers]

Clicky got banned

Can't find the post where it happened, though

https://www.resetera.com/threads/shift-up-ceo-kim-hyung-tae-confirms-they-intentionally-made-evie-younger-and-shorter.1543933/post-156074950

User banned (2 weeks): using a GenAI article to make a thread on a sensitive topic

They hate him as much as we do 

Downgraded to a week   

User banned (1 week): using a GenAI article to make a thread on a sensitive topic, a history of dishonest framing of sensitive threads

[Let's Cyber]

B-dubs and his brigade of black-American chauvinistic bigots

Maybe I'm misreading this person, but they sound like the type that would have packed their bags to go join ISIS back in the middle 2010s.

[cRumB]

Thank you mods for updating all of the threads.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-bds-movement-calls-for-a-boycott-of-xbox-and-microsoft-gaming-products-over-its-parent-companys-complicity-in-the-genocide-in-gaza.1155057/page-34#post-156063094

“Subtle” dig? None of the Xbox threads from the past day that I can see have their Palestine Hamas banner

So, I've never even seen any disclaimers, which I assume is because I don't have ree account. Kinda makes it funnier if you only see that if you're a member

Yep you need to be signed in.

[Jansen]

Constructive 

"You're allowed to complain/criticize all you want, regardless of the thread, even the OT, but just don't call fellow users 'pedophiles'." is a really low bar to clear. And honestly it's a bar most people do clear.



Given some of the feedback I've been seeing online, I can't see them not aging Eve's look before release. If they don't, they deserve all the grief they're going to get.

It is but as we have seen with the discussion last week not everyone clears it.



Now trying to frame the general statement of "don't insult people" as trying to get minorities to shut up is the perfect example of the much talked communication problems we have talked about countless times in this thread. The nuance between criticism and insults has completely merged for some users here.



People should think about whether this "you're either with us or you're the worst person imaginable" will actually achieve the results they hope for.



I couldn't even care less about stellar blade. Never played it but the discussion around it lays bare the same communication issues that has plagued this forum for some time.

It is but as we have seen with the discussion last week not everyone clears it.



Now trying to frame the general statement of "don't insult people" as trying to get minorities to shut up is the perfect example of the much talked communication problems we have talked about countless times in this thread. The nuance between criticism and insults has completely merged for some users here.



People should think about whether this "you're either with us or you're the worst person imaginable" will actually achieve the results they hope for.



I couldn't even care less about stellar blade. Never played it but the discussion around it lays bare the same communication issues that has plagued this forum for some ti
me.

Well said.



And people that just want to discuss Stellar Blade Blood Rain were never the aggressor, we simply just want to discuss the game. The trailer looks amazing, the city was just next level, and I'm sure there would be more and more fans for it as they start showing more towards the year, showing more gameplay, more story, more locations etc. But most of the fans will also understand that she does look young for a young adult and is open to criticism.



While on the other hand the folks who dislike Stellar Blade Blood Rain are demanding it to be banned while they already have the option to thread ignore or simply not go into the thread. And as mentioned before there are games being allowed that have actual teens with sexualized content like Persona 5, and others and those are allowed which is a step even above Evie in Stellar Blade blood rain who is just a young adult that happens to look too young which I do agree with and I'm sure many fans also agree.



Now this does not mean persona 5 fans or other games like that are pedo not even close because as mentioned before the game offered so much more just like Stellar Blade Blood Rain offers so much more.

I mean people should be free to voice their criticisms in those threads. It's just if your criticism consists of insulting users it's better to ignore those threads because in the end you're only getting yourself banned

Agreed as I said the ones who dislike the game already have multiple options like being able to freely voice their opinion/criticism whenever they want. Hell some fans will even agree or understand some of their criticisms. So they can go into the thread to do this whenever they want.



And then they also have the option to not go into the thread if they choose to and even another option to outright ignore thread if they also want that.



They just gonna at least not cross the line which is insulting fans of the game in unprovoked scenarios.

The phrase "You give an inch, people take a mile" is coming to mind right now.

It's frustrating because there feels like a circling of the wagons around this game, despite evidence showing intent.



The casual dismissal of it is what's really mindblowing. "But I like the punches and you're harshing my vibe."

It is but as we have seen with the discussion last week not everyone clears it.



Now trying to frame the general statement of "don't insult people" as trying to get minorities to shut up is the perfect example of the much talked communication problems we have talked about countless times in this thread. The nuance between criticism and insults has completely merged for some users here.



People should think about whether this "you're either with us or you're the worst person imaginable" will actually achieve the results they hope for.



I couldn't even care less about stellar blade. Never played it but the discussion around it lays bare the same communication issues that has plagued this forum for some time.

It's genuinely exhausting. I'm personally glad to see SB2 getting deserved criticism here, but I'm getting beyond sick and tired of how comfortable some people seem to have gotten with calling people pedos, or in some cases, being racist/orientalist. I'm grateful to the mods being on top of actioning instances of these, but once again, people feel comfortable saying them to begin with, which is the issue.



And it feels like the waters are being increasingly muddied when people rightfully feel like minorities are being told to "shut up" or keep criticism to select threads, which I believe IS certainly the implication I'm feeling from some users. But there's a world of difference between criticising a game and its devs, and straight up accusing people of being pedos. To be frank, as someone who has experienced abuse in childhood, it feels like it trivialises its severity, and redirects focus away from the actual issue (the fact the playable character of SB2 looks like an overtly sexualised 12 year old), to taking swipes at complete randos. That's not to say I want to see people being openly gross about the game either, but generalised "if you play this, you're a pedo" is absolutely not okay, regardless of how you feel about the game.



Honestly though, I don't think this is something that can be "fixed", because some people are going to continue to feel comfortable accusing people of horrible shit, but then calling that out also sometimes makes the actual bigots and those using "civility" as a guise feel emboldened, so... Like, I want a community that feels comfortable to criticise things like SB2, and push back on those handwaving those criticisms away, but I also draw my line in the sand when people start flinging insults and accusatio
ns wildly, though that line seems to just been completely blurred here a lot of the time now.

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-536#post-156103624

This is the way it goes for most controversial games.

I remember Kingdom Come Deliverance threads getting mod posts with exactly this policy.

Criticise the game. Hype the game. Don't year chunks out of other users. Share the space.

The threads inevitably turn into parallel discussions, and some people like to weaponise their perceived immunity by really laying on the praise in the face of people incensed by whatever game's content or creator.

It's not perfect, but it's been largely manageable for other games.

 

I can't count the number of times people would post something about how they don't like Stellar Blade and then like clockwork people would swoop into the thread with their "looks great, can't wait to play it" drive-bys.

 
 
Why won't users engage with me when I call them predators? Fucking drive by posts...ban them all...  

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Clicky got banned

Can't find the post where it happened, though

https://www.resetera.com/threads/shift-up-ceo-kim-hyung-tae-confirms-they-intentionally-made-evie-younger-and-shorter.1543933/post-156074950

User banned (2 weeks): using a GenAI article to make a thread on a sensitive topic

They hate him as much as we do 

Downgraded to a week   

User banned (1 week): using a GenAI article to make a thread on a sensitive topic, a history of dishonest framing of sensitive threads

"a history of dishonest framing of sensitive threads"

Man, Dubs really hates Clicky.

Which is, of course, totally justified.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-536#post-156103624

This is the way it goes for most controversial games.

I remember Kingdom Come Deliverance threads getting mod posts with exactly this policy.

Criticise the game. Hype the game. Don't year chunks out of other users. Share the space.

The threads inevitably turn into parallel discussions, and some people like to weaponise their perceived immunity by really laying on the praise in the face of people incensed by whatever game's content or creator.

It's not perfect, but it's been largely manageable for other games.

 

I can't count the number of times people would post something about how they don't like Stellar Blade and then like clockwork people would swoop into the thread with their "looks great, can't wait to play it" drive-bys.

 
 
Why won't users engage with me when I call them predators? Fucking drive by posts...ban them all...  

I love their paranoia that no one actually likes those games in good faith. No, they're in fact specifically targeting them, posting devious messages like "looks good" just to fuck with them specifically.

[TylenolJones]

Clicky got banned

Can't find the post where it happened, though

https://www.resetera.com/threads/shift-up-ceo-kim-hyung-tae-confirms-they-intentionally-made-evie-younger-and-shorter.1543933/post-156074950

User banned (2 weeks): using a GenAI article to make a thread on a sensitive topic

They hate him as much as we do 

Downgraded to a week   

User banned (1 week): using a GenAI article to make a thread on a sensitive topic, a history of dishonest framing of sensitive threads

Wat? How does a worse error message make them get less time?

[HaughtyFrank]

Constructive 

You left out this one which kicked that certain reply thread off

The "people should just be nicer!" movement within this thread becoming a "minorities should just shut up about problematic issues so I can enjoy them unchallenged" cudgel is unsurprising, given that last time it was used to push back against AI-hate.

No, minorities, in this case women and anti-mysoginists in general, should not hush up. They should not be asked to. They should not just ignore distasteful media and posts, or "stay out of threads that don't interest them," nor should they be asked to.

It is frustrating to have to say this. It is intimidating for anyone having to say it knowing they'll get a heart breaking amount of wordy "well actualies" disguised as serious discourse in response.

A small child's face on a sexualized body is disturbing, and must be called out from all angles. The end.

Dude is seriously trying to argue that saying "don't call people pedos" is akin to asking minorities to hush up. It's so obvious that there's only one side who is behaving rational in all of this and it's not the Burka thread.

edit:

I'm downright shocked at the amount of rationality in that thread

The absolute absurdity of claiming to be a minority due to a self applied label.

As the sole Pro-Good-Things Anti-Bad-Things member of the forum, everyone needs to understand that if they like things I've decided are objectively bad, then that makes them a bad person. They may not like it when I tell them they are a bad person, but deep down they know I'm right and agree with everything I say because of course they do and they just don't want to accept the objectively reality that they are a bad person. And I need to be able to remind of this at any moment. This is why, despite the forum having a function that allows them to ignore any user for any reason, anyone attempting to ignore me should be perma-banned.

[Uncle]

A small child's face on a sexualized body is disturbing, and must be called out from all angles. The end.

   

[simiansmarts]

The Crazy Taxi game director responded to the whole genAI hysteria by explaining they used them for placeholder assets but it's not enough.   
 

"We used it as a reference," Kanno explained via translator. "So our artists would pull up [and] generate some of their ideas and then they would look at that, you know, generated image and then they would draw the actual thing. So actual creators, everything from programming to assets, everything is made by an actual human. It's only used as a reference for them to look at and then they would actually create the actual thing that would go into the game."

 
 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sega-used-genai-to-work-on-background-assets-for-crazy-taxi-world-tour.1543405/page-12#post-156114454 
 

The quality of the output is irrelevant.

GenAI is an ethically and morally rancid endeavor that is literally stealing our water and poisoning our communities.

It absolutely is one of the things people that have to live on this planet should be mad ab

 

I'm sorry, have we as a society just forgotten what reference photos are? Has Google image search gotten so bad that you have to AI generate what a San Francisco restaurant looks like?

I don't buy it. I don't buy the idea that they AI generated reference images JUST to look at and draw shit based on those images. "We used AI to generate what a legally distinct Pizza Hut would look like in our style but we SWEAR we didn't just toss it in, we painstakingly remodeled it. Which in a way, kinda makes it way less effecient while using up the entire water supply of Detroit to get around an image search."

 
 

God I hate the excuse of "We ONLY used it for countless assets that we then traced or photoshop-filtered, and now it's hand-made you see".

No, it's fucking not. This is doing NOTHING but adding another step which is a step you could have done as the only step in the first place.

When SEGA's statement already said there were "assets generated," it's really hard for me not to think someone's lying. And that still leaves the well poisoned.

When SEGA's statement already said there were "assets generated," it's really hard for me not to think someone's lying. And that still leaves the well poisoned.
A thousand percent someone is lying. A million.

[Jansen]

The phrase "You give an inch, people take a mile" is coming to mind right now.

The phrase "You give an inch, people take a mile" is coming to mind right now.

It's frustrating because there feels like a circling of the wagons around this game, despite evidence showing intent.



The casual dismissal of it is what's really mindblowing. "But I like the punches and you're harshing my vibe."

The phrase "You give an inch, people take a mile" is coming to mind right now.

It's frustrating because there feels like a circling of the wagons around this game, despite evidence showing intent.
The casual dismissal of it is what's really mindblowing. "But I like the punches and you're harshing my vibe."

you have been repeatedly corrected in this thread now that this isn't what's happening.



SB is cringe as fuck - the game and company can fuck off as far as I care - but we cannot have a situation where folks feel comfortable calling fellow community members the worst things possible for wanting to play a mainstream videogame



nobody has suggested that the game should be beyond its well-deserved criticism, they're just saying don't attack other users and call them pedos. as others users have said, it's the lowest of bars possible to clear while participating in a community.



yet you are continuing to frame this as people wanting to shut down all criticism. you're being incredibly dishonest.

I feel like people would be less likely to fling insults around if there wasn't such a long history of concerns being so readily ignored and dismissed by the large contingent of "apathetic" gamers on this site who just want people to shut up or stand off to one side because it ruins their fun



Like at this point the idea of "reasonable discourse" magically sorting everything out clearly hasn't played out for a lot of people, so it's no surprise that some snap and just tell someone to fuck off and do one

We are arguing different things is the problem. One side is saying this game should be limited in discussion because it very much looks like it's promoting pedophilia and this forum's userbase isn't responsible enough to self-police as evidenced by previous misogynistic game discussions. It's just going to deteriorate into the scenario you guys are worried about because people will get fed up that one side is ignoring the issue.



Then one side is "just go by status quo rules, why's that so hard" which is leapfrogging the actual conversation.

We have people in here saying "if you don't like it, ignore it and don't bother us."



So I mean…

Again, nobody is telling anyone not to criticize or anything else with regards to the game. Nobody was banned for that in the locked reveal thread, it was only for, again, literally calling other users pedophiles. All that is being said is to not attack other users in such a way, and if you can't do that then idk what to say really.

specifically in relation to attacking other users



you were also corrected on this point and are choosing to yet again misrepresent the conversation that is happening.



you gonna edit your post this time too to try to again rewrite what conversations you've been part of? I genuinely do not understand why you're continuing this nonsense.

Who is saying this? Who is saying people shouldn't be able to post criticism?

We have people in here saying "if you don't like it, ignore it and don't bother us."
So I mean…

No it wasn't like that, it was more like you have multiple options.



You can criticize the game if you choose to whenever you want.



You can also not go into the thread if you choose to.



You could also just outright ignore the thread if you choose.



Nobody said don't criticize and leave us alone, simply don't go hostile on people that are going to play the game in unprovoked scenarios or worst trying to paint them as a pedo.

Who said "Don't bother us."? I ask because just like calling people pedophiles is actionable, so is dismissing the concerns of other users, which "leave us alone" would be doing.

We are arguing different things is the problem. One side is saying this game should be limited in discussion because it very much looks like it's promoting pedophilia and this forum's userbase isn't responsible enough to self-police as evidenced by previous misogynistic game discussions. It's just going to deteriorate into the scenario you guys are worried about because people will get fed up that one side is ignoring the issue.



Then one side is "just go by status quo rules, why's that so hard" which is leapfrogging the actual conversation.

No, we're saying that banning discussion of the game only serves feeling better about yourself and solves exactly zero problems. These people will still exist and still be present in this community. Save yourself the high blood pressure and use the personal "delete forever" button on people whose opinions or habits you find abhorrent. Neither giving this advice or following this advice implies you think SB2 is some super cool game that you play for the 'articles'. It does mean that you don't have to read the opinions of people you will never agree with and/or don't need to scro
ll over endless discussions that only go in circles with people repeating points you already agree with and are tired of hearing.

Destroy each other for my amusement 

[Let's Cyber]

Destroy each other for my amusement 

We've been eatin good these last few days 

Who would have guessed Crazy Taxi and Stellar Blade 2 would get the entire forum to rip itself apart. 

[kaleidoscopium]

I really wonder, what is going on in their minds if they see a character they think is young, and then automatically think the character is being sexualized. We all saw that trailer and at least to most people it looked like a robot girl fighting other robots in a scifi city. 

Where was the sexualization in that trailer? Seems like they’ve invented something that they want to see so they can go after shift up again for whatever reason.

[Jansen]

Sammi Curr needs to be on a watchlist like for real tho