Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Uncle]

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/iman-vellani-on-her-boss-kevin-fiege-i%E2%80%99m-taking-it-easy-on-him-until-i-get-ms-marvel-s2-if-he-says-the-mcu-is-earth-616-i%E2%80%99ll-let-him-believe-that-%E2%80%9D.785033/
Fj0823 and other Marvel-stans crying that people are rightly questioning the marketability of Ms. Marvel:

Boy it sure is nice to be constantly reminded that her character doesn't bring the money for Disney

"DID YOU KNOW MS. MARVEL HAS BOMBED?" /s

Iman's just being her usual cheeky self, and Era decided to be all armchair no-fun-allowed Hollywood corpo bean counter about it. Leave the business speculation to the business.

Also, they still continued with Thor and Ant-Man despite those movies being among the lower end of the MCU. In fact, they made Ant-Man 2 and Thor 2 absolutely crucial.

It's a thread about an also potential season 2. I think you cannot ignore the elephant in the room about future outings. Like, if Ben Affleck was talking about Justice League 2, would we all be go lucky about it and not about its poor reception by audiences and boclx office even though a lot of people like Batfleck?

And yet people have had no problem talking about his Batman movie and asking for him ad nauseum and his character kept appearing in films to the point he even filmed for Aquaman. No one, and I do mean no one had this tone of "He should know better" when he talked about Batman and no one tried to put him in his place.

Would be real nice if we could stop doing this "Oh too bad her character is getting erased from existence and won't ever matter...she's cool tho"

"Andrew Garfield deserved another chance after ASM2 underperformed"
"Ryan Reynolds deserved another chance after Green Lantern/Origins Wolverine were a laughing stock"
"Henry Cavill deserved to be Superman once again after getting awful material from Snyder"
"Hayden Christensen deserved another chance to shine after the Star Wars Prequels"
"Ewan McGregor deserved another chance to shine after the Star Wars Prequels"
Xolo Maridueña and Iman Vellani? "Gee...think about the marketeability"

[Besticus Maximus]

One of them suggested making her a producer earlier on. It's like fan fiction.

[Propagandhim]

fuckin capitalism not being able to sell my focus-tested, commercial product to a mass-audience  

[ComeAgain]

Is…is someone gonna tell them that Garfield/Reynolds/Cavill all got booted out of those roles? Garfield got to come back one more time for No Way Home but that’s it.

And Hayden and Ewan’s prequels stunk but the movies still made a very nice chunk of change. The Marvels is that one penny that falls out of your pocket that you forgot you had in there.

[ComeAgain]

Twitter was foaming at the mouth at the thought of rdj coming back in hopes iron heart was cancelled …it's very clear

Wow an OG Avengers member returning that everyone across the world loved for a decade and his movies made how many billions combined? Can’t imagine why anyone would want to see him again!

[Besticus Maximus]

who the fuck is Iron Heart 

[Besticus Maximus]

Also, remember that hockey thread when the noted experts banned anyone from suggesting it wasn't an accident?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951

Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death

[HaughtyFrank]

Also, remember that hockey thread when the noted experts banned anyone from suggesting it wasn't an accident?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951

Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death

A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter over the death of ice hockey player Adam Johnson, whose neck was cut during a match.

How strange that they're not naming the suspect. I doubt the butler did it

[Uncle]

Is…is someone gonna tell them that Garfield/Reynolds/Cavill all got booted out of those roles? Garfield got to come back one more time for No Way Home but that’s it.

And Hayden and Ewan’s prequels stunk but the movies still made a very nice chunk of change. The Marvels is that one penny that falls out of your pocket that you forgot you had in there.

Garfield is coming back

[books]

Two bodybuilder types wearing Maga hats did it.

[HaughtyFrank]

every time we go through this shit we also have to listen to white people tell us that we're being too sensitive about it

it's just a joke bro just let us dehumanize you just a little bit

https://www.resetera.com/threads/this-weeks-snl-digital-sketch-is-bafflingly-terrible.784418/post-114911444

If you feel dehumanized by an utterly tame Hamas joke, maybe think on that a little. Like I'm starting to wonder what you actually think about Hamas

[Vertigo]

That Ms Marvel season 2 begging thread is truly deranged. And these are I suspect grown-ass men?!

In any other thread, they love talking movie business but suddenly it's off the tables. As it's 'distasteful'.

And we just want to talk about how fun and charming she is. And if you don't agree you're obviously a racist white man.

Surely after this weekend, they cant think Disney is going to greenlight season 2 of their lowest-viewed MCU show and now lowest-ever earning movie? 


I saw a moron saying that Obi-Wan and the Boys stole her audience.



It was probably the same issue as the movie

The biggest audience was probably men and people who rock trans flags and the young girls the show was aimed at didnt care for it.

[kaleidoscopium]

Got around to seeing this last night and had a really fun time with it. It was funny, flashy, with enjoyable fight scenes. Don't really get where all the hate came from (that's a lie, I do). Would happily watch it again.

Also ahhhh so cuuuute 🥹

Where’s the hate coming from KYUUJI? We’d love to know. Seeing as how majority of the audience were cis men it suggests the hate is coming from… elsewhere…

[books]

The Marvels is so shitty, not even the trans folx want to ship the characters as trans when they do it for everything else.

who the fuck is Iron Heart 

A non-cis enby probably with lame powers from the C team. But he's *insert minority*! So fun!

[BIONIC]

Some interesting stuff in constructive:

Hey

So, I appreciate that modding is hard at the best of times, and I'm not particularly sure the 'Cyberpunk sequel struggles with Unreal Engine 5' thread was saveable in any event or of a high value anyway. But I'm also really not sure dumping all those posts in the containment Cyberpunk 2077 thread was the best solution there. Cause it's only tangentially related really.

Is that going to be the practice going forwards? Just locking any offending threads that cross that line would be better, I feel, directing the conversation to the containment thread rather than dumping a load of posts into it.

Additionally, clarifying where that line is at some point in the future would be helpful.

Thanks.

Adding to the post above, I think it would be great if we could get a clear guideline on how other Cyberpunk related projects would be treated going forward.

The sequel to Cyberpunk is being developed by new CDPR studios in North America, and CDPR as a whole is not banned on the forum as far as I'm aware, yet the new Cyberpunk thread was merged with CP2077 OT. Does this mean that the Cyberpunk ban extends to all Cyberpunk projects from CDPR going forward? Also, is it a full ban or are we gonna post Cyberpunk related news for the next 5-6 years in CP2077 OT?

I feel like the situation regarding CDPR and Cyberpunk is confusing in general, especially now that they are moving on to new projects based on the same IP.

We are actively discussing the wider Cyberpunk issue and will let you know once we come to a decision.

Wanna guess which shit head immediately pounces on this with a multi post rant?

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Hopefully. Unless I missed an apology from them, some sort of recognition of their bullshit, or the removal of transphobic garbage from their game. Instead there seems to be some shit in Phantom Liberty that others found less than savoury from a trans perspective.

Yeah...not sure what has changed to warrant an unbanning.

I respect the decision made in regards to CP2077 and I haven't yet played the game myself yet, so can't comment on the contents in it, but I understand your point.

Like I said, we just need a clear guideline about their future projects in regards to the IP, one way or another. And it seems like the mod team is talking about it, so hopefully we'll get a clear ruling on that in due time.

It's hard to gauge the sincerity in this when your recent post was this:


What's there to wait and see about. There seems to be sus-at-best shit in Phantom Liberty. They never acknowledged or made moves to address the problematic elements in Cyberpunk 2077. Why is it that we forgive and forget by lifting the soft ban which has – up until this move of wholesale dumping blocks of post into the thread – worked reasonably well. Whenever I've had cause to poke my head into the thread people have been discussing Cyberpunk normally and the thread has some 36,000 posts of discussion in it. An average of like 33 posts a day since the game released.

If you need or want some new thread that acts in the same way for the eventual release of their next Cyberpunk project, cool, I get that. This weird "ban CDPR entirely then" whine is stupid though, since we've had discussions around The Witcher without issue in the years since the soft ban was implemented. It's not a clean solution in all instances, I get it, but it's worked well enough over the past 3 years to where one instance of a thread being dumped into it – over a locking and redirecting as [USER=1776]Uzzy[/USER] mentioned was the former protocol – causing someone to suggest an all or nothing ban is impulsive at best.

The wait and see thing I brought up in the other thread is in relation to their new Cyberpunk projects which are being made by other teams. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that different people working on different projects at different studios might have different approaches to the content they put in their games and how they decide to market them.

As for the ban CDPR as a whole thing, it's just a much more clear and understandable approach. For the past 3 years we've had a good number of threads that either get locked or get merged with CP2077 thread when talking about CDPR's financial reports or their future plans, due to referencing Cyberpunk. Like I said before, it's just not clear what's allowed and what's not when it comes to anything that is not strictly Witcher related. Look at this recent thread, sure it's coming from the quest designer of Cyberpunk 2, but the main point of it is CDPR's struggles with shifting to a new engine which is true for all of their upcoming games, yet that's treated the same as a CP2077 news thread and gets merged with that OT.

Let's not get it twisted either though, such threads when left invariably turned into people gushing about the game and the focus was drawn away from financial reports and the like. The conversations in them ended up less "CDPR's financial stability seems to be in a good place" and more "How is Cyberpunk these days?". This was the case with one of the most recent ones and others before it. I can't speak to the new thread though as, well, all the posts got dumped from it into the OT and I'm not gonna go wading in to untangle one from the other. It would surprise me if it didn't fall foul of what I just said had it run its course, but I'm not gonna state anything on it as I didn't see it y'know.

A clear distinction between CDPR and Cyberpunk relies on forum members not then using threads about CDPR as a proxy to skirt the soft ban and just start a Cyberpunk discussion in it, which has been a common thread in those cases. That's less on staff and more on the community.

This is something that’s been on my mind lately. Sometimes, I’ll see a thread that has a specific creation (non-Cyberpunk) that naturally turns into a Cyberpunk praise thread. We had one recently about best looking games this generation and it seemed like 1/3 of the answers were Cyberpunk. I get that it’s true and that it answers a question that the thread creator asked for general answers, but it ended up having the end result of a thread that very loudly expressed that if you’re into nice graphics and want the best of the best to look Cyberpunk’s way.

And it’s tricky because the thread wasn’t made for the game and the responses are just facts, but the evolving discussion became about a few games, one of which was Cyberpunk. Personally, I just err on the side of never discussing the game outside of the OT which I don’t even visit in the first place.

Which again brings up the original point of us needing a clear guideline on CDPR and Cyberpunk (not just 2077, but as a whole). Also if individual community members are breaking the rules set by the mod team in wider CDPR threads, then it feels like those individuals should be warned and then moderated accordingly instead of just merging those threads with CP2077 OT, but I digress.

Some guidelines would be nice, also in terms of how/if anything ever gets readdressed. I agree with sentiment on the Cyberpunk OT, I think that's generally worked well.

But it's also worked well because it and outright banned games are very specifically targetted. Then you had something like all the awful Activision revelations, and for a moment anything ABK got plastered with an official communication... but then it just faded away because... well, to put it dryly, let's just say it's a sort of Too Big To Fail discussion situation. So before long things were back to normal with Diablo hype threads etc. But then you still have older OTs for some Blizzard games that are still stuck with the big warning/advisory making things seem kinda uneven.

[Uncle]

Kyuuji discovered the loophole: you can't actively ask for banning of certain games or topics, but for things that are banned, you can sperg about why they are banned and further reasons to hate them endlessly!

[Averon]

That Ms Marvel season 2 begging thread is truly deranged. And these are I suspect grown-ass men?!

In any other thread, they love talking movie business but suddenly it's off the tables. As it's 'distasteful'.

And we just want to talk about how fun and charming she is. And if you don't agree you're obviously a racist white man.

Surely after this weekend, they cant think Disney is going to greenlight season 2 of their lowest-viewed MCU show and now lowest-ever earning movie? 


I saw a moron saying that Obi-Wan and the Boys stole her audience.



It was probably the same issue as the movie

The biggest audience was probably men and people who rock trans flags and the young girls the show was aimed at didnt care for it.

Even when men do go watch this shitty Marvel slop, they still blame them for the property failing:

The people who actually saw it are the ones that contributed to it getting one of the MCU's lowest Cinemascores.

Yeah. White men, as an article recently demonstrated.

Yeah, it's all the yts males that made The Marvels fail. You know, one of the demographics that actually went to watch the movie in theaters. Because women and girls sure as hell didn't go to watch it

[Averon]

Crazy that the entire CP 2077 topic is banned to an OT because 1-2 people interpreted one in-game fictional ad as transphobic and went on a Jihad on the forum for months until the mods bent the knee. An ad, by the way, where whether it's actually transphobic is very much up for debate.

But Kyuuji will never let this go. As sad as it sounds, she probably feels getting CP 2077 banned was her greatest "achievement."

[Venice]

How long until lock?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cd-projekt-quest-designer-discusses-the-challenge-of-developing-cyberpunk-2-for-unreal-engine.785117/

[Besticus Maximus]

What exactly have they banned? CD Projekt or Cyberpunk and it's children and it's children's children?

[Alpacx]

Also, remember that hockey thread when the noted experts banned anyone from suggesting it wasn't an accident?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951

Adam Johnson: Manslaughter arrest over ice hockey player's death

A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter over the death of ice hockey player Adam Johnson, whose neck was cut during a match.

How strange that they're not naming the suspect. I doubt the butler did it

I thought that's pretty standard for British crime reporting. Something about not biasing trials or whatever.

[Straight Edge]

The Marvels is so shitty, not even the trans folx want to ship the characters as trans when they do it for everything else.

who the fuck is Iron Heart 

A non-cis enby probably with lame powers from the C team. But he's *insert minority*! So fun!

Close; she's a black 15 year-old girl genius who makes her own suits like Iron Man!

[Potato]

Also, remember that hockey thread when the noted experts banned anyone from suggesting it wasn't an accident?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951

A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter over the death of ice hockey player Adam Johnson, whose neck was cut during a match.

How strange that they're not naming the suspect. I doubt the butler did it

I thought that's pretty standard for British crime reporting. Something about not biasing trials or whatever.

Shouldn't be any issue with naming him. They just need to avoid publishing details of the case.

[HaughtyFrank]

Crazy that the entire CP 2077 topic is banned to an OT because 1-2 people interpreted one in-game fictional ad as transphobic and went on a Jihad on the forum for months until the mods bent the knee. An ad, by the way, where it is actually transphobic is very much up for debate.

But Kyuuji will never let this go. As sad as it sounds, she probably feels getting CP 2077 banned was her greatest "achievement."

At this point someone should ask what even the point is of banning the game. This clearly isn't about anyone's well being but instead a childish punishment

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-is-the-best-horror-game-of-2023.784289/page-3#post-114803360

User Banned (1 Week): Antagonizing Fellow Members; History of Inflammatory Commentary

Na, we have devs of these games browsing these forums. No need to talk like edgy kids.

Uh, yeah, let's police our language so as to not hurt some feelings 🥴

[JoeBoy101]

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Crazy that the entire CP 2077 topic is banned to an OT because 1-2 people interpreted one in-game fictional ad as transphobic and went on a Jihad on the forum for months until the mods bent the knee. An ad, by the way, where it is actually transphobic is very much up for debate.

But Kyuuji will never let this go. As sad as it sounds, she probably feels getting CP 2077 banned was her greatest "achievement."

At this point someone should ask what even the point is of banning the game. This clearly isn't about anyone's well being but instead a childish punishment

What has it been since release? Two, Three years?

Certainly, this bitchy prima donna can point to one, ONE, demonstrable impact alleged transphobia has caused. 

I’d say I’ll wait, but I don’t have days to wait or the patience enough to read through whatever ridiculous stretches of logic or facts she’d used to justify.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/your-controversial-gaming-opinions.938/page-360#post-114870116

User Banned (2 Weeks): Ableist Rhetoric

If you want to play Shadow of the Colossus on modern hardware you'll get a version with zero (0) of the assets made by the actual people who made the game

Controversial Opinion #3
The Shadow of the Colossus remake is better than the original. I only wish they'd dropped the retarded horse steering mechanics for something more contemporary. By the way this would still be epic as a first person VR adventure. The game Behemoth is definitely attempting to capitalize on concepts first delivered this game in VR.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-game-awards-game-of-the-year-2023-nominees-revealed.784853/page-34#post-114887933

User Banned (Permanent): Troll

Hogwarts' Legacy got snubbed. I can't understand why the media keeps ignoring such a awesome game.

[benji]

And meanwhile, the EU decided condemn Hamas for using the hospitals as human shields, but not Israel for for attacking them and their patients/staff/occupants. And still refused to call for a ceasefire to boot.

This is just revealing the EU as something many of us already knew...a fundamentally racist institution. Ironically, people like Leyden would probably claim they are combating racism by cynically supporting Israel. But it is the opposite. Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is fundamentally racialised, when they are commiting Apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide. We need to be much bolder in calling Israel out as the racist rogue state it is, and the EU for its liberal embrace of racialised geopolitics.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ongoing-israel-palestine-conflict-news-thread-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/page-200#post-114897263

Like Japanese, Palestinian is not a race. 21% of the Israeli population is Arab, that's a larger percentage than the Black population in the United States.

"But but but as minorities they're discriminated against like in the United States and Europe!"

Oh, okay, then they're not a "rogue state" then are they?