Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[HaughtyFrank]

It's funny that they got a Final Fantasy completely without any pandering designs, an effect of the more grounded tone, and yet they keep on bitching.

[kaleidoscopium]

It's funny that they got a Final Fantasy completely without any pandering designs, an effect of the more grounded tone, and yet they keep on bitching.

Literally never enough for them. These types will always find something to scream about.

Case in point, still screaming about a superhero movie featuring a minority NB/Trans main character:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-flash-is-looking-at-68m-to-85m-opening-weekend-very-soft-over-seas-so-far-lagging-behind-the-batman.731007/page-6#post-107489298

Amazingly, WB might have lost less money if they had scrapped the Flash and spent the money to finish and release Batgirl instead.

The tribalism on this board with DC movies is so exhausting. The Flash was easily an 8 out of 10 movie and just as good if not better than Marvel’s recent output.

Some of you just love to hate on DC. Get over it. Seriously. It’s old. It’s tired. It’s not amusing. I hate being made to feel like shit for liking a DC movie. Ezra Miller aside, this was a really fun movie that had me grinning from beginning to end and really struck an emotional chord with me.

Like who actually actively roots for a movie to fail? Some of you guys need to get over yourselves.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

I'm not cool enough to get into D-Pad.life.

[Daffy Duck]

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Wonder why none of them talk about/reference the JK Rowling podcast series... almost as if it invalidates all of their whining...

They (and Pink News et al) did start taking quotes out of context for a couple of episodes, but I think there was some blowback because they stopped reporting on it at all. The one where she said it was a mistake to make a big thing about deplatforming Milo Yiannopoulos was spun as her supporting him.

Her quote:

I thought it was a terrible strategic error. My feeling was, you are giving this man way more power than he deserves by behaving in this way. It made Milo look sexier and edgier than he deserved to look.

I thought it was strategically appalling. Get on that platform and eviscerate his ideas, get on that platform and expose him for the charlatan that he is. You push back hard. You've given him so much power by refusing to talk. In fact, they were serving his purposes because he was able to walk away from that saying. 'Look, they don't dare debate me, this is how dangerous and edgy I am.' And I don't think we want to cast the alt-right in that light.

Their reaction starts here.

I enjoyed the podcast because she basically says they've been making shit up about what she's said and done ever since her only sin was a couple of liked tweets.

What are these JK podcasts people speak of? Wouldn’t mind hearing it from the horses mouth

[kaleidoscopium]

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Wonder why none of them talk about/reference the JK Rowling podcast series... almost as if it invalidates all of their whining...

They (and Pink News et al) did start taking quotes out of context for a couple of episodes, but I think there was some blowback because they stopped reporting on it at all. The one where she said it was a mistake to make a big thing about deplatforming Milo Yiannopoulos was spun as her supporting him.

Her quote:

I thought it was a terrible strategic error. My feeling was, you are giving this man way more power than he deserves by behaving in this way. It made Milo look sexier and edgier than he deserved to look.

I thought it was strategically appalling. Get on that platform and eviscerate his ideas, get on that platform and expose him for the charlatan that he is. You push back hard. You've given him so much power by refusing to talk. In fact, they were serving his purposes because he was able to walk away from that saying. 'Look, they don't dare debate me, this is how dangerous and edgy I am.' And I don't think we want to cast the alt-right in that light.

Their reaction starts here.

I enjoyed the podcast because she basically says they've been making shit up about what she's said and done ever since her only sin was a couple of liked tweets.

What are these JK podcasts people speak of? Wouldn’t mind hearing it from the horses mouth

https://www.thefp.com/witchtrials

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-13#post-107482443

I'm gonna make a post, and I'm going to ask for whoever reads it and responds to please give me the benefit of the doubt, and if I say something stupid, or dumb, or wrong it's not meant from a place of malice, it's meant from a place of ignorance, and I'm totally fine being corrected on that ignorance. I just want whoever reads it responds to understand that this post is based in good faith questioning.

Anyway.

I watched a black YouTuber talk about this article when it first came out, and he mentioned that he really didn't like the fuss involved with it. The argument he made was that the actual inspiration and design for the world comes from white stories/white history/white culture. Even though it's being made by japanese people, it's very clear that this world is being inspired by white culture and white stories. So to him, of course predominantly white. He would not expect a significant amount of black people to take front stage in a story inspired from white culture. In the same way he believes white people should take a back seat in black stories/mythologies/history. You wouldn't expect to see a ton of white people in the movie Coco. You wouldn't see Asian people play a large role in a movie like Moana. Soul, a movie about jazz, wouldn't quite hit the same way it should with a large white cast. He argues that the medievil Europe setting is clearly inspired by white tales, white history, and white culture. So in the same way that soul wouldn't quite hit the same with a white cast, so too is final fantasy xvi a white culture inspired game. He also doesn't think it really matters that japanese people are making a white culture game, in the same way that a large staff of white people made ghost of tsushima. Despite not being of the race that story comes from, they showed respect to the stories and culture they drew from. For example... There aren't a load of white people hanging out in ghost of tsushima.


Initially I was going to argue that point, but then he proactively answered my argument.

He said something to the effect of that the counterargument would be that whiteness is the default, and too many stories are white led that have no reason to be, and he conceded that point, but he still held is ground that medieval europe inspired tales are white culture in the same way that the movie soul tapped into an aspect of black culture. It's true that there is really nothing stopping square from adding in more black/poc characters in the game. Just like Soul could've had more diversity as well. But at the end of the day, soul is a movie directly inspired by black culture and stories, just like ghost of tsushima was for japanese people, just like final fantasy xvi was for white people.


And.. Honestly the argument makes sense to me.


If I'm missing important context, please let me know.

[Greatness Gone]

Imagine being so desperate to have an enemy that you willingly listen to a so-called genocidal TERF’s podcast as soon as it airs (despite being one of the aforementioned genocide victims).

[D3RANG3D]

[kaleidoscopium]

I'm not cool enough to get into D-Pad.life.

same, my rejection reason was: Nope

[Venice]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-13#post-107482443

I'm gonna make a post, and I'm going to ask for whoever reads it and responds to please give me the benefit of the doubt, and if I say something stupid, or dumb, or wrong it's not meant from a place of malice, it's meant from a place of ignorance, and I'm totally fine being corrected on that ignorance. I just want whoever reads it responds to understand that this post is based in good faith questioning.

Anyway.

I watched a black YouTuber talk about this article when it first came out, and he mentioned that he really didn't like the fuss involved with it. The argument he made was that the actual inspiration and design for the world comes from white stories/white history/white culture. Even though it's being made by japanese people, it's very clear that this world is being inspired by white culture and white stories. So to him, of course predominantly white. He would not expect a significant amount of black people to take front stage in a story inspired from white culture. In the same way he believes white people should take a back seat in black stories/mythologies/history. You wouldn't expect to see a ton of white people in the movie Coco. You wouldn't see Asian people play a large role in a movie like Moana. Soul, a movie about jazz, wouldn't quite hit the same way it should with a large white cast. He argues that the medievil Europe setting is clearly inspired by white tales, white history, and white culture. So in the same way that soul wouldn't quite hit the same with a white cast, so too is final fantasy xvi a white culture inspired game. He also doesn't think it really matters that japanese people are making a white culture game, in the same way that a large staff of white people made ghost of tsushima. Despite not being of the race that story comes from, they showed respect to the stories and culture they drew from. For example... There aren't a load of white people hanging out in ghost of tsushima.


Initially I was going to argue that point, but then he proactively answered my argument.

He said something to the effect of that the counterargument would be that whiteness is the default, and too many stories are white led that have no reason to be, and he conceded that point, but he still held is ground that medieval europe inspired tales are white culture in the same way that the movie soul tapped into an aspect of black culture. It's true that there is really nothing stopping square from adding in more black/poc characters in the game. Just like Soul could've had more diversity as well. But at the end of the day, soul is a movie directly inspired by black culture and stories, just like ghost of tsushima was for japanese people, just like final fantasy xvi was for white people.


And.. Honestly the argument makes sense to me.


If I'm missing important context, please let me know.

Lots of angry replies to that post on the next page, especially from Slaythe.

Now, I say this as non-white person myself...

If black people are so angry that fantasy videogames don't contain black characters... then why don't a bunch of black game developers come together and make a black fantasy game themselves?

Indeed, why don't black Reeeeeseters make their own game?

Seriously. Why are they always complaining that a Japanese videogame developer, who spends millions of dollars on developing their games and want to maximise their sales and revenue as simply and efficiently as possible, aren't filling their games with black people?

Maybe it's because... the average, non-forum dwelling casual black videogame player is a normal individual and doesn't give a fuck about any of this stuff and just wants to chill out for a few hours and escape, before returning to the real world?

And for what it's worth, and someone mentioned this earlier, none of the Final Fantasy games have anything approaching your typical white characters. They all look like k-pop and j-pop idols.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-14#post-107485554

Are we having a “Just asking questions?” Moment in here?…

where tf can I go to unlearn stupid bullshit if not resetera

idk, books or Google?

[Kadayi]

I'm not cool enough to get into D-Pad.life.

I'm not cool enough to get into D-Pad.life.

same, my rejection reason was: Nope

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-13#post-107482443

I'm gonna make a post, and I'm going to ask for whoever reads it and responds to please give me the benefit of the doubt, and if I say something stupid, or dumb, or wrong it's not meant from a place of malice, it's meant from a place of ignorance, and I'm totally fine being corrected on that ignorance. I just want whoever reads it responds to understand that this post is based in good faith questioning.

Anyway.

I watched a black YouTuber talk about this article when it first came out, and he mentioned that he really didn't like the fuss involved with it. The argument he made was that the actual inspiration and design for the world comes from white stories/white history/white culture. Even though it's being made by japanese people, it's very clear that this world is being inspired by white culture and white stories. So to him, of course predominantly white. He would not expect a significant amount of black people to take front stage in a story inspired from white culture. In the same way he believes white people should take a back seat in black stories/mythologies/history. You wouldn't expect to see a ton of white people in the movie Coco. You wouldn't see Asian people play a large role in a movie like Moana. Soul, a movie about jazz, wouldn't quite hit the same way it should with a large white cast. He argues that the medievil Europe setting is clearly inspired by white tales, white history, and white culture. So in the same way that soul wouldn't quite hit the same with a white cast, so too is final fantasy xvi a white culture inspired game. He also doesn't think it really matters that japanese people are making a white culture game, in the same way that a large staff of white people made ghost of tsushima. Despite not being of the race that story comes from, they showed respect to the stories and culture they drew from. For example... There aren't a load of white people hanging out in ghost of tsushima.


Initially I was going to argue that point, but then he proactively answered my argument.

He said something to the effect of that the counterargument would be that whiteness is the default, and too many stories are white led that have no reason to be, and he conceded that point, but he still held is ground that medieval europe inspired tales are white culture in the same way that the movie soul tapped into an aspect of black culture. It's true that there is really nothing stopping square from adding in more black/poc characters in the game. Just like Soul could've had more diversity as well. But at the end of the day, soul is a movie directly inspired by black culture and stories, just like ghost of tsushima was for japanese people, just like final fantasy xvi was for white people.


And.. Honestly the argument makes sense to me.


If I'm missing important context, please let me know.

Lots of angry replies to that post on the next page, especially from Slaythe.

Now, I say this as non-white person myself...

If black people are so angry that fantasy videogames don't contain black characters... then why don't a bunch of black game developers come together and make a black fantasy game themselves?

Indeed, why don't black Reeeeeseters make their own game?

Seriously. Why are they always complaining that a Japanese videogame developer, who spends millions of dollars on developing their games and want to maximise their sales and revenue as simply and efficiently as possible, aren't filling their games with black people?

Maybe it's because... the average, non-forum dwelling casual black videogame player is a normal individual and doesn't give a fuck about any of this stuff and just wants to chill out for a few hours and escape, before returning to the real world?

And for what it's worth, and someone mentioned this earlier, none of the Final Fantasy games have anything approaching your typical white characters. They all look like k-pop and j-pop idols.

Lots of the responses also say that it's a fantasy world not an historically accurate game, but that just feels incredibly hollow when they were so mad that Kingdom Come Deliverance wasn't diverse despite taking place in some backwater village in Bohemia.
And despite not being any kind of historically accurate game, it's very clear that the game got it's inspiration from things like Game of Thrones which in turn got its inspiration from the real life War of the Roses. So yeah, you can make an argument that this is based in white culture despite fucking fireballs and dragons. Just like Dragon Ball is still based on the Asian tale "Journey to the West".
If you were to make the same kind of game in African setting they'd be proper pissed if it was suddenly filled with white dudes. Anyone trying to excuse it with "Yeah but Africa had trade relations with europe" would get banned.

[Uncle]

why's everyone suddenly trying to get into dpad life

[Venice]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-14#post-107485554

Are we having a “Just asking questions?” Moment in here?…

where tf can I go to unlearn stupid bullshit if not resetera

idk, books or Google?

And, right on cue, comes the ban-baiting. Take a bow, falcondoc, you absolute loser   

I wonder how many reports Angst's posts have already gotten, and how long he's gonna be banned for? No way he's gonna escape.

I'm gonna go with one month ban with the reason 'dismissing minority concerns' / 'insensitivity on matters regarding race'.

[HaughtyFrank]

why's everyone suddenly trying to get into dpad life

Sound like an anti-era

Welcome to D-Pad
Gaming, Movies, Culture. Boys Club Rhetoric. No Pronouns. Be Yourself.

Any idea when and how it came to be?

[YuYu]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-13#post-107482443

I'm gonna make a post, and I'm going to ask for whoever reads it and responds to please give me the benefit of the doubt, and if I say something stupid, or dumb, or wrong it's not meant from a place of malice, it's meant from a place of ignorance, and I'm totally fine being corrected on that ignorance. I just want whoever reads it responds to understand that this post is based in good faith questioning.

Anyway.

I watched a black YouTuber talk about this article when it first came out, and he mentioned that he really didn't like the fuss involved with it. The argument he made was that the actual inspiration and design for the world comes from white stories/white history/white culture. Even though it's being made by japanese people, it's very clear that this world is being inspired by white culture and white stories. So to him, of course predominantly white. He would not expect a significant amount of black people to take front stage in a story inspired from white culture. In the same way he believes white people should take a back seat in black stories/mythologies/history. You wouldn't expect to see a ton of white people in the movie Coco. You wouldn't see Asian people play a large role in a movie like Moana. Soul, a movie about jazz, wouldn't quite hit the same way it should with a large white cast. He argues that the medievil Europe setting is clearly inspired by white tales, white history, and white culture. So in the same way that soul wouldn't quite hit the same with a white cast, so too is final fantasy xvi a white culture inspired game. He also doesn't think it really matters that japanese people are making a white culture game, in the same way that a large staff of white people made ghost of tsushima. Despite not being of the race that story comes from, they showed respect to the stories and culture they drew from. For example... There aren't a load of white people hanging out in ghost of tsushima.


Initially I was going to argue that point, but then he proactively answered my argument.

He said something to the effect of that the counterargument would be that whiteness is the default, and too many stories are white led that have no reason to be, and he conceded that point, but he still held is ground that medieval europe inspired tales are white culture in the same way that the movie soul tapped into an aspect of black culture. It's true that there is really nothing stopping square from adding in more black/poc characters in the game. Just like Soul could've had more diversity as well. But at the end of the day, soul is a movie directly inspired by black culture and stories, just like ghost of tsushima was for japanese people, just like final fantasy xvi was for white people.


And.. Honestly the argument makes sense to me.


If I'm missing important context, please let me know.

Watch this guy get banned for racism or some other dumb reason. 

Imagine being given a hundred plus million dollars to make a fantasy world and you make an even whiter version than the real medieval Europe. Talk about zero creativity and care for diversity.

Yea, I'm sure poc were on every corner of the street in medieval Europe

[Kadayi]

why's everyone suddenly trying to get into dpad life

Because we have Taysan at a guess.

Sound like an anti-era

Welcome to D-Pad
Gaming, Movies, Culture. Boys Club Rhetoric. No Pronouns. Be Yourself.

Any idea when and how it came to be?

Since March 2021. Made up of Ex-Gaf & Ex- Era

[Nintex]

Sounds perfect might sign up

[Besticus Maximus]

The FF16 stuff is beyond moronic, even for them. Just needlessly bullying people because a fucking videogame doesn't feature things that existed in your imagination before you saw the game. Mind boggling.

[Nintex]

I don't get why you want your 'team' to have any part in this story anyway. It's like when they insist that Netflix adds some diversity to the SS battalions.

Square Enix: These morally grey kingdoms (literally Game of Thrones lol) exploit the common folks to wage useless wars against eachother with magical beasts.

ResetEra minorities: My people need to be part of this.

[Uncle]

why's everyone suddenly trying to get into dpad life

Sound like an anti-era

Welcome to D-Pad
Gaming, Movies, Culture. Boys Club Rhetoric. No Pronouns. Be Yourself.

Any idea when and how it came to be?

the earliest posts there are from march 2021, which is 3 months after the cyberpunk debacle, and black chamber appears to be a mod or privileged user there

assuming user ID number means anything, among staff members user number 1 was Mirabilis and user number 2 was DevilDog, if those names mean anything to anyone

here is my full known list of gaf saga sites:

https://www.neogaf.com/ - the start of strife (june 2004)

http://www.thebore.com/ - thebire (july 2006)

https://slaent.com/ - (feb 2014)

https://www.resetera.com/ - oh no (oct 2017)

https://metacouncil.com/ - I think the first spinoff of era, reaction to the stifling moderation, an experiment in having no mods at all and people can just infract each other but in practice this doesn't really happen because everyone's on the same wavelength and chill (september 2018)

https://forum.xboxera.com/ - microsoft treehouse (august 2020)

https://d-pad.life/ - subject of current discussion (march 2021)

https://famiboards.com/ - nintendo land (september 2021)

https://www.installbaseforum.com/ - where Chris1964 and sales-era exodus'd to (october 2021)

https://icon-era.com/ - sony land, threads going back to june 2022 but oddly most gaming threads seem to start jan 2023, did they delete a lot of stuff? need to be a member?

https://thebore.net/ - a weird site that seems to be a clone of one of the other ones (june 2023)

also is thecoli a gaf spinoff?



some commentary from Falcs at icon-era:

I signed up at Gaf sometime around 2011. Then I followed the crowd over to ResetEra after the drama of 2017, not really knowing what had happened. I soon realised everything I hated about Gaf had actually gone to ResetEra, so I went back to Gaf and found it was better than ever.
Then Evilore lost his mind after Jan 6 and banned all his loyal members who had stuck by him and supported him during and after the 2017 exodus.

This ultimately lead to the creation of dpad.life by the community of banned members. I was there from day one on this one. The site had a lot of promise and potential, but unfortunately the mods at dpad now treat their members like children, causing several members and many of the most active contributors to leave.

And so now here I am here.

[Kadayi]

I don't get why you want your 'team' to have any part in this story anyway. It's like when they insist that Netflix adds some diversity to the SS battalions.

Square Enix: These morally grey kingdoms (literally Game of Thrones lol) exploit the common folks to wage useless wars against each other with magical beasts.

ResetEra minorities: My people need to be part of this.

FOMO on all the ethnic cleansing. 

some commentary from Falcs at icon-era:

I signed up at Gaf sometime around 2011. Then I followed the crowd over to ResetEra after the drama of 2017, not really knowing what had happened. I soon realised everything I hated about Gaf had actually gone to ResetEra, so I went back to Gaf and found it was better than ever.
Then Evilore lost his mind after Jan 6 and banned all his loyal members who had stuck by him and supported him during and after the 2017 exodus.
This ultimately lead to the creation of dpad.life by the community of banned members. I was there from day one on this one. The site had a lot of promise and potential, but unfortunately the mods at dpad now treat their members like children, causing several members and many of the most active contributors to leave.
And so now here I am here.

Falcs is actually back at D-Pad now.

[Uncle]

thanks for the context kadayi, it is good to hear falcs is being treated like an adult now

[Uncle]

[Nintex]

[kaleidoscopium]

Nintex made the cool club, we sit here not allowed in

[DSC]

https://icon-era.com/ - sony land, threads going back to june 2022 but oddly most gaming threads seem to start jan 2023, did they delete a lot of stuff? need to be a member?

...you're telling me that there's a subset of sony fans that weren't ok with 80% of era agreeing with them that xbox suxors, and made their own place?

i already see some of my former-era faves there.

[Potato]

I'm not cool enough to get into D-Pad.life.

same, my rejection reason was: Nope

What's a d-Pad.life?

Edit: already answered that it's where the resetti rejects congregate to mutually masturbate. Kind of like thebore but without filler.

[NekoFever]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/harpercollins-to-publish-revised-and-expanded-letters-of-j-r-r-tolkien-with-150-previously-unseen-letters.731652/

How many letters did this dude write!?

bro you have 34000 posts