Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[benji]

I wish SAG-AFTRA a very die. Massive respect to anyone dropping out of SAG due to this.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sag-aftra-sign-a-deal-with-ai-studio-for-use-in-video-games.803751/page-3?post=117398745#post-117398745

                       union busting rhetoric? Undermining the solidarity of the closed shop?

[AldusMoneyPenny]

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Oh look! Another thread with not even low key body shaming, but it will be ignored because it’s Abby from TLOU2.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-last-of-us-casts-kaitlyn-dever-as-abby.803694/

Thread is amazing. When game came out the chuds were accused of sexism and body shaming. Now the rees are about to start doing exactly the same thing. Except they will be targeting a real actress

A real actress has agency to choose the role or turn it down, CHUD. Unlike a digital person who has no agency (but also no feelings or sentience, but that doesn't matter CHUD)

[Besticus Maximus]

The AI shit is so so weird. You can tell these people by and large do not have serious big boy jobs for adults.

It runs contrary to everything they profess to want. Better working conditions? Less crunch? More inclusive hiring practice? No we will have Luddite guilds according to the whims of someone who can’t get a job drawing shit animal wireframes

[NekoFever]

it's either trans folx getting genocided or muslims. I just want to play video games.

Sigh. 

I sometimes wonder whether it’s just gaming forums that got infected with all this shit. Like is there a gardening forum somewhere where they’re all reeee at each other because someone insensitively planted some Jerusalem artichokes today of all days?

[Potato]

The AI shit is so so weird. You can tell these people by and large do not have serious big boy jobs for adults.

It runs contrary to everything they profess to want. Better working conditions? Less crunch? More inclusive hiring practice? No we will have Luddite guilds according to the whims of someone who can’t get a job drawing shit animal wireframes

AI and automation are essential elements of true communism. How can they not see that?

[Uncle]

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AI renditions of what? is that a specific character? is that from that last dragon movie or something?

wat thredd

I think is supposed to be a Chinese Dragon because is the year of the Dragon and Wacom was promoting the new year… but then I see that the Wacom dragon is also a weird mix of both.

it looks like the dragon from that movie that Lindsay Ellis got cancelled over for saying "if you squint" so I used a LoRA from civitai, probably made by a filthy degenerate, at low strength to just add a bit of that character feel (which is probably why it has "fuck me" eyes)



yes parts of the pics are fucked up because this is a first run with no editing, everything can be fixed in moments with inpainting

if you like the last one I can fix the tailrock and upscale it
 

It's fundamentally crazy that it took you 1hour to do this and you weren't even paid and yolo'd it and the end result is already miles ahead of the AI work.

"oh nepenthe you did so good and it only took an hour" 

took me 5 minutes, wacom has no excuse for accepting that hack job

[Nintex]

Can you make Trump ride on the back of the dragon?

[Uncle]

I can also drop nepenthe's actual sketch in and say "make variations on this"



some of these are kind of great, if you open in a new tab it's full res

[Besticus Maximus]

I'm interested in where she thinks the line is between evil and software. Are we allowed a certain amount of AI processing in pro tools? Does it only count if she lifts a pen to a screen? Is it just LLMs that she hates? Can we use generative modelling stuff like Nanite in Unreal? Are we allowed Metahumans? Not that we'll ever know, on account of her being a full idiot

[Uncle]

Can you make Trump ride on the back of the dragon?

multiple characters can take a lot more effort and this is just shitposting

[Nintex]

I made pictures with Midjourney v6 today, also got access to the web interface alpha.

It's all very realistic now, especially if you use the "photo taken by iPhone15" trick. Unfortunately v6 its less good at stylized things and there's restrictions on famous people and stuff. 

I think that in the end we'll end up with specialized models that are good at specific styles instead of all these one size fits all image generators. NYT needs to lose that court case against OpenAI so the shackles can be removed and we can create the Space Force images we were meant to create.
 

[Uncle]

I'm interested in where she thinks the line is between evil and software. Are we allowed a certain amount of AI processing in pro tools? Does it only count if she lifts a pen to a screen? Is it just LLMs that she hates? Can we use generative modelling stuff like Nanite in Unreal? Are we allowed Metahumans? Not that we'll ever know, on account of her being a full idiot

here's the thing, you can use all the same "putting REAL artists out of a job" rhetoric against her for doing digitial art

• you don't have to buy canvasses and throw them out when you screw up and have to buy more
  

• you don't have to buy paints and brushes and maintain them
  

• you can instantly undo any mistake with ctrl+z in an instant without potentially screwing up your whole picture
  

• you have access to layers so you don't have to draw "in order," you can lay down strong comic-style lines and color underneath them
  

• you can instantly apply filters to the image to change all the colors and the entire lighting/feel of the piece
  

traditional artists when photoshop started rolling out were livid at how you can "cheat" to do something that would take them hours, suddenly they have to learn this new tool just to remain competitive, and traditional art suppliers saw decreased business

why is this particular step too far

why didn't she complain when google translate started putting a lot of translators out of a job, is she going to commit to never use it?

[Besticus Maximus]

You know who else hated jews because they couldn't get an art job?

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

 

[Nintex]

If you're good at your job you will use the tools and get better at your job.

The way I see it AI can automate many useless tasks like people that are still copy pasting things into spreadsheets.
Not only will we create a new industrial revolution with all the economic benefits that it entails but we will also free up minds and labour to do less tedious work. 

It also greatly reduces the resources and thus carbon footprint needed to create things and allows more people to access more knowledge and information faster than ever before. Not just CEOs will have access to legal council or personal assistants, everyone will.

[Besticus Maximus]

It begs the question, why wouldn't you just use something that makes you better at what you do. Like, she could get that animation job at a real company if a) she wasn't purple Stalin and b) she put some effort into learning how to automate some animation, because who the fuck is going to pay people to draw shit by hand frame for frame for videogames in 2050 outside of a tiny handful of cases?

Not that she's even good enough for that in the first place, which is yet another reason why she should get over herself and learn to use some software

[Boredfrom]

why didn't she complain when google translate started putting a lot of translators out of a job, is she going to commit to never use it?

Oh god, uncle, no.

A lot of niche game fans complain about companies using machine translations and being unreadable. Google translate is a tool but should not replace a good translator right now unless you want to be a cheap bastard. 

Also, Uncle, they were already a lot of translating machines before that. 

(And not, I’m not necessarily talking about that can of worms called localization)

[ClothedMac]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tulsi-gabbard-jim-rome-and-don-lemon-join-x.803721/page-2?post=117390861#post-117390861
Mod Flix

Who gives a shit?

They obviously do to comment and obviously Slayven who was shitposting in it.

100 posts in two hours


https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/last-of-us-season-2-cast-kaitlyn-dever-abby-1235866127/



OMG, I can't wait for CHUDS to react to this.

Sigh, how are CHUDS going to react to this.

[Uncle]

why didn't she complain when google translate started putting a lot of translators out of a job, is she going to commit to never use it?

Oh god, uncle, no.

A lot of niche game fans complain about companies using machine translations and being unreadable. Google translate is a tool but should not replace a good translator right now unless you want to be a cheap bastard. 

Also, Uncle, they were already a lot of translating machines before that. 

(And not, I’m not necessarily talking about that can of worms called localization)

I don't think you've been following the latest developments using AI to improve translation

and in any case, the point is not whether it replaces people effectively, but YOUR REACTION to that disruptive technology

you tool around using google translate casually for years, maybe getting through some vacations abroad with it, saying "gee this is kind of nice" without thinking of the broader context of the jobs it's killing, but then suddenly when another technology affects you personally, it's "tech can advance this far AND NO FURTHER"

[Boredfrom]

why is this particular step too far

Because you are eliminating a huge part of the human element outside prompts and corrections, and most companies seem to used it to be cheap assholes rather than genuinely wanting to alleviate the work pressure.

The target audience of Wacom is artists that use its products, the ones that would not consider the blue dragon that Potato posted as ‘good enough’. Is laughable that a company that made art tools have so low standards in their marketing. Say what you will, but this is case in specific is like Bud Light using that trans influencer to promote a beer.

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why didn't she complain when google translate started putting a lot of translators out of a job, is she going to commit to never use it?

Oh god, uncle, no.

A lot of niche game fans complain about companies using machine translations and being unreadable. Google translate is a tool but should not replace a good translator right now unless you want to be a cheap bastard. 

Also, Uncle, they were already a lot of translating machines before that. 

(And not, I’m not necessarily talking about that can of worms called localization)

I don't think you've been following the latest developments using AI to improve translation

I’m sure they are good. They are probably not as good as you think or to be used by big name studios without sounding weird.

and in any case, the point is not whether it replaces people effectively, but YOUR REACTION to that disruptive technology 

you tool around using google translate casually for years, maybe getting through some vacations abroad with it, saying "gee this is kind of nice" without thinking of the broader context of the jobs it's killing, but then suddenly when another technology affects you personally, it's "tech can advance this far AND NO FURTHER"

Who hires live translators to vacations? 

I’m being trying to be more open about it, and I will lie if I say I haven’t used for fun. But I have limits like Nepenthe Vs The Blue Dragon.

I dislike Nepenthe and, in my own not expert opinion, her art is mid and derivative of Disney shit. But I’m not going to pretend that blue generated dragon is much better just because I dislike her. I could discuss the stuff you did, but I’m also not pretending I cannot see why artists shouldn’t be worried when the standards of good enough are abysmal. Wacom is not a small company unable to hire an artist for their promotions.

[Uncle]

why is this particular step too far

Because you are eliminating a huge part of the human element outside prompts and corrections, and most companies seem to used it to be cheap assholes rather than genuinely wanting to alleviate the work pressure.

name one technology that hasn't been used this way

oh no, they're being cheap assholes NOW, and not all those other times when they realized some new technology allows them to have one or two less people on staff

Who hires live translators to vacations? 

this is willfully dumb

this is an example of casually enjoying some of the benefits of a technology as long as you're not feeling disrupted by it

if you care about real peoples' livelihoods being impacted by new tech, then you protest this as well, rather than rationalizing it because it makes your life a little easier

[Tucker's Law]

Yeah, no sympathy from me for the localizing community being impacted by AI, not after some of the egregious shit I've seen posted elsewhere.  Do the fucking job you were hired to do without trying to inject your own sensibilities into it, you creepy dipshit weirdos.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/south-korea-passes-bill-banning-dog-meat.803814/?post=117401652#post-117401652

Never thought it was paw-sible

                   Dismissive commentary
 

[Uncle]

feel like I could use one of my alts to post this in that thread like

"throwing my hat in the ring on redesigning the dragon too, I know it's not very good I got a long way to go but at least it's better than that piece of crap AI"



and get a dozen headpats for drawing something with so much soul and personality

[Boredfrom]

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why is this particular step too far

Because you are eliminating a huge part of the human element outside prompts and corrections, and most companies seem to used it to be cheap assholes rather than genuinely wanting to alleviate the work pressure.

name one technology that hasn't been used this way

oh no, they're being cheap assholes NOW, and not all those other times when they realized some new technology allows them to have one or two less people on staff

Why should I act uncritical of it? Or that those cheap assholes in positions of power will maintain good standards? 

Did you see the news about how the last Boeing fuck off? I wasn’t supposed to be the gold standard of engineering?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MILF_Manor#Premise

The show's title refers to the acronym "MILF", meaning "Mother I'd Like to Fuck", though the show's definition of MILF leans closer to the idea of a cougar, in which an older woman actively pursues younger men, whereas the term "MILF" only implies the sexual attractiveness of the woman and not her own romantic/sexual tendencies.

[Boredfrom]

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Yeah, no sympathy from me for the localizing community being impacted by AI, not after some of the egregious shit I've seen posted elsewhere.  Do the fucking job you were hired to do without trying to inject your own sensibilities into it, you creepy dipshit weirdos.

So you are not going to get either a shit localization or a good translation. Because I doubt the Ai will catch every subtle thing a text has unless is a manual.

[Uncle]

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Yeah, no sympathy from me for the localizing community being impacted by AI, not after some of the egregious shit I've seen posted elsewhere.  Do the fucking job you were hired to do without trying to inject your own sensibilities into it, you creepy dipshit weirdos.

So you are not going to get either a shit localization or a good translation. Because I doubt the Ai will catch every subtle thing a text has unless is a manual.

this assumes no human review

yes they're cheap bastards, but if some works come out laughably bad, they will keep some people on the localization team, just expecting them to be able to do their jobs in 1/4th the time

it's not like people don't have the original to compare, the complaints people have against localizers is when the source and localized version are radically different for some "modern audiences" reason, and if that sort of thing continues it will obviously not have been done by AI, so people still know who to criticize

you review the output for obvious errors, fix them, and that's it

[Boredfrom]

this is willfully dumb

It was your example. People that didn’t want to pay for a live guide would use dictionaries before. This is better, no doubt.

this is an example of casually enjoying some of the benefits of a technology as long as you're not feeling disrupted by it

Thanks. I would use it for translating directions and fast food menus. Not for translating books without knowing the idiom.

if you care about real peoples' livelihoods being impacted by new tech, then you protest this as well, rather than rationalizing it because it makes your life a little easier

I am sorry, I’m asking that this should be banned? Who is talking about anybody live hood but having standards because corpos are going to extra cheap with it rather than bother using it in a genuinely meaningful way. 

Being excited about new technologies doesn’t mean not be critical.

[benji]

So you are not going to get either a shit localization or a good translation. Because I doubt the Ai will catch every subtle thing a text has unless is a manual.

Because humans are so great at reading.