Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

bros.. I've never seen The Albatross this mad   I'm worried he's going to be banned for talking back to Nepnep.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/politico-has-obtained-internal-documents-of-list-of-planned-christian-nationalist-policies-for-project-25.819144/page-8?post=119463318#post-119463318

[benji]

I'm still not sure how a Christian of that persuasion even still wants to call themselves Christian if they're basically, "Yeah, I can't stand that woke Christ guy."

I mean, I don't know if you've seen the absolute barbarity that white Christians have imparted on non-whites for, like.... centuries, but these folks were never actually big on Jesus Christ going by any context to be derived from the book itself.

[benji]

Religion can fuck off into the sun and die.

INHERENT DISREGARD FOR ISLAM

[Averon]

Another ERA darling they are ready to burn at the stake before even watching the movie: https://www.resetera.com/threads/civil-war-official-trailer-2-a24-apr-12-kirsten-dunst-wagner-moura-written-and-directed-by-alex-garland.819057/

They so deathly afraid that the film will "both sides" the fictional civil war that has Texas and California one the same side
Reminds me how they were convinced The Joker movie wold incite an incel bloodbath in movie theaters throughout the country

[benji]

Not when you're advocating or defending or justifying or being an apologist for things that *we know make you less safe and don't provide any protection*

We know that gun ownership makes you, individually, more likely to be killed by a gun. It's just the facts. We know that the proliferation of guns in a community don't make that community safer, they make it less safe. Individually you're more at risk, collectively you are more at risk. It's just a panacea, a false sense of safety or self determination. There are panaceas I am fine with because they don't result in my wife's 17-year-old student being accidentally killed his friend on super Bowl Sunday and left at the hospital to die alone. Then there's guns.

Again, you're not actually engaging with the reality that guns have been used successfully in liberation movements. Deflecting to the deaths caused by a multitude of social factors, one of which is indeed the rampant proliferation of guns, doesn't actually change that historical reality.

But since you're not going to engage with that, at least answer me this: in a hypothetical scenario where Trump wins, and furthermore is allowed to create these so-called red militias to go into blue states and liberal areas to terrorize people unchecked, particularly queer and ethnic minorities, what do you want us to do in the face of that? Use physical weapons? Hide? Call the cops?

What would you realistically be able to do? You'd never equal the firepower.

The equivalency in power depends upon the amount of folks on both sides, the training involved with the militia (lol), and the locations involved in battle.

The fact of the matter is everyone owns guns, not just conservatives who would be crazy enough to want to do this, so firepower isn't actually in contention (no joke, I literally heard gunfire in the far distance while typing this, and I live in a solidly blue district.) Second is the fact that it is liberals and leftists who showed out for the biggest civil rights movement in American history four years ago- the amount of folks on our side you can activate under the right conditions literally dwarfs the right-wing blowhards by hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Third is also the fact that urban warfare would definitely be a variable in our favor, and at the very least I imagine city dwellers would have an easy field advantage against a ground attack.

I don't think this nonsense, assuming it comes to pass, would be a complete massacre in favor of the MAGAts unless you're going to start trying to get the actual military involved, but we also know from a recent study that the military is actually less radicalized than the general population is (it's amazing that meeting a person's physical and social needs makes them less likely to be a Nazi.) What is the likelihood you get all of them, or even a significant majority of them, onboard with a fucking ground invasion against American civilians? That would be absolute chaos.

Yeah, I'm not buying it chief. But that also doesn't answer the question, which is asking what "should" minorities realistically do. The answer is that "should" is irrelevant- it will be inevitable that many of us will go down swinging. In the case of such an event, I'm asking if minorities should be unarmed and get slaughtered simply because the statistical likelihood of dying by suicide or by accident goes up exponentially with gun ownership.

(emphasis hers)

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

No one tell Nep about the Devshirme.

[benji]

Religion can fuck off into the sun and die.

INHERENT DISREGARD FOR ISLAM

I should have scrolled down first:

Reading a bunch of christofacist campaign promises that have been part of the bedrock of conservative politics in this country since forever and seeing these reactions:

So they want to turn the US into their version of the Middle East.

Sounds like White Christian Sharia Law. Can't wait till they add in dancing bans and dress codes to the list. The TikToks are corrupting the youths, dancing is the devil. Women in pants has led to the downfall of the nuclear family and denigration of western society as a whole.

Evergreen tweet.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Why is a mod of Resetera suggesting others buy up arms and prepare for terrorist activities against the government?!

[benji]

Saving souls through Christianity and the Good Work.

Saving souls through capitalist pseudoscience, cosmetic surgeries, corporate streaming media and endless struggle sessions.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/politico-has-obtained-internal-documents-of-list-of-planned-christian-nationalist-policies-for-project-25.819144/page-8?post=119464194#post-119464194

Why is it wrong to equate the rights want to impose religious laws with Sharia when it's exactly that? All the right needs to do is hook up with conservative Muslims and Catholic illegals and the left will have no clue what to do!

[benji]

Why is it wrong to equate the rights want to impose religious laws with Sharia when it's exactly that? All the right needs to do is hook up with conservative Muslims and Catholic illegals and the left will have no clue what to do!

FACT CHECK: They know exactly what to do, form a vanguard to lead the workers out of their false consciousness and to achieve the revolution. Nice "gotcha", chud.

[benji]

I've not advocated for anything, really. If marginalized folks want to arm themselves, they can. If they do, I want them to get training and to make sure that it is what they really want. If they don't, I don't want them to. I can't stop folks from owning them, all I can do is advocate for training and helping folks understand what it means to own one.

It's not a gun propaganda story, it really happened. It's well documented that armed neighborhood patrols saved lives in Black neighborhoods during that time. It sure wasn't the 82nd Airborne in those neighborhoods stopping Black folks from being lynched. Regardless whether one should own a gun or not, I'm not going to assume that the Texas National Guard or any red state National Guard is going to be the ones protecting LGBTQ folks.

I agree with you that everyone should do everything else besides own a gun. I said earlier that I want them banned. In my ideal world, no one would own a gun.

I'm not advocating for any of those things. I have, however, asked you what you think trans folks should do when folks come after them. A Nest camera isn't going to stop folks coming for them. What do you think trans folks should do when others come for them?

Well, except the state.

I like how they're ignoring that The Albatross actually made the proper case even if he did it in weirdo language:

But don't try to pretend that you're advocating for protecting trans lives by encouraging people to get guns *when we know that having a gun in your house makes you far more likely to die by a gun.* you're not advocating protecting trans people if you encourage people to get guns. You're advocating for higher rates of suicide, you're advocating for higher risk in schools in communities with higher gun ownership rates, you're advocating for worse mental health, you're advocating for higher rates of domestic abuse and abuse in the household, all things that we know correlate with higher gun ownership.

If transphobia causes trans people to self-genocide then arming up trans "folks" will increase the amount of successful self-genocides. Especially if your premise is that the transphobia is going to increase to the point of pogroms and camps.

A gun will protect you from random criminals not state-backed mobs looking for victims.

And armed patrols in the late 1960's absolutely was not the cause for the end of lynch mobs which ended decades earlier.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

heyyy we're back to that dumb shit again  

"when the office votes for whether to order pizza or tacos for lunch, choosing not to vote for tacos is actually a vote for pizza"

I think in this situation, not voting just means you don't get any lunch.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/politico-has-obtained-internal-documents-of-list-of-planned-christian-nationalist-policies-for-project-25.819144/page-8?post=119465748#post-119465748

By this logic, if I am at a bank robbery where a guy is shooting up the bank and kills a bunch of people, I would have blood on my hands because I didn't actively stop something I, an unarmed, untrained civilian, had no ability to stop. By this logic I'm at fault if I attack the robber and get shot and killed, or if I do nothing and let people get killed, because there are no real options that let me stop people from being killed. You can't be at fault for a situation in which you have no power. This only makes sense if you see a vote as a tacit endorsement of everything a candidate stands for, and not you know a choice between two options. It'd be one thing if there was a choice that let you ease the palestinian's suffering at the expense of another group suffering instead, but this is just saying people are responsible for choosing to focus on things they can help over things where neither choice will yield anything positive, and one is also demonstrably worse for the palestinians as well. Sometimes there aren't good choices. Maybe if things had played out differently at a different point this would be a different conversation, but that's a pointless thing to bemoan once the choice is already there. Any choice, including not voting or voting third party, will ultimately support either Biden or Trump.

Do you have blood on your hands? By your own logic you do since you haven't managed to stop the war. If you say "but I haven't supported anyone who endorses it" this is also certainly wrong because I guarantee some money you spent somewhere has gone to people who will invest it into Israel. It's a pointless stance that ultimately absolves everyone of responsibility by treating all choices as equally responisble. If everyone has blood on their hands it becomes something to not worry about.

uhm, excuse me? Thordinson works within his local community and supports muslims. He has no blood on his hands thank you very much.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/politico-has-obtained-internal-documents-of-list-of-planned-christian-nationalist-policies-for-project-25.819144/page-8?post=119465964#post-119465964

Oh no.. Nep, don't!

But...Is this not what we were saying about Trump voters for years, that you don't get to ignore the bigotry about to rain down on minorities just because you claim you voted for him for the economy, or for guns, or because you just didn't like Hillary? If that is true, then the logic must hold for Democrats as well (which is why we should do our best to not find ourselves in situations where we're trying to brush off a genocide.)

If we believe and advocate that voting is really the best power we as citizens in the United States have to shape foreign and domestic policy, then that ultimately means voters of the winning candidate in any given democracy are to some non-zero degree responsible for literally everything that that candidate does, because that candidate wouldn't be in the driver's seat to do damage in the first place if not for the collective majority giving them that power to do so.

I mean, even during Obama's second tenure when I was slightly more aware, I was willing to deal with the uncomfortable fact that my vote helped enable things like his drone policies, even though I also knew very well that he was nonetheless better than both McCain and Romney. If voting is a responsibility, I have to own the consequences of that responsibility. I feel I don't get the right to tell a survivor of Obama's terms that "Well, I wasn't voting for the drone strikes; I was only voting for the healthcare, domestic LGBT rights, and green energy!" So I'm not sure then why we're hemming and hawwing at what voting for Biden means for Palestinians.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Look. I'm voting Trump because I'm in a red state and he's a silly guy. I'm not racist, I'm just a single issue voter. At least I'm not a genocide joe fan!

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Google "trans smirk"

how often do trans people put on a scared face during an encounter as opposed to erupting in rage? are they really scared for their lives? I don't believe it based on their facial expressions

Reminds me of the trans lady sitting on the floor of the bus yelling for the dude to stop attacking her but he was backing away so she was scooting forward and grabbing him.

[benji]

I don't think Nepenthe really grasps the concept that yourself will only ever be the perfect candidate for any office.

[benji]

If being anti-genocide is such a popular position why is Marianne Williamson the only candidate who ran that even came close* and she couldn't even get to 5% in the primary?

*not really, she supports the existence of Israel

[benji]

Since this is in my wheelhouse, let me spend five minutes and help out:
Joe Biden: pro-genocide
Dean Phillips: pro-genocide
Donald Trump: pro-genocide
Nikki Haley: pro-genocide
Peter Sonski: anti-genocide, but super pro-life (it's always their party's top issue)
Michael Wood: anti-genocide, but you're not going to like the Prohibition Party's other policies lol
Claudia de la Cruz: anti-genocide and for a dictatorship of the proletariat
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: pro-genocide
Cornel West: anti-genocide, but a well known Uncle Tom race traitor
Chase Oliver: anti-genocide, but also against cops
Michael Rectenwald: anti-genocide, but also against cops and his name kind of sounds like RECTUM
Jill Stein: anti-genocide, but PUTIN PLANT

As always, happy to help the staff and members of ResetERA.com to get informed about politics.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Since this is in my wheelhouse, let me spend five minutes and help out:
Joe Biden: pro-genocide
Dean Phillips: pro-genocide
Donald Trump: pro-genocide
Nikki Haley: pro-genocide
Peter Sonski: anti-genocide, but super pro-life (it's always their party's top issue)
Michael Wood: anti-genocide, but you're not going to like the Prohibition Party's other policies lol
Claudia de la Cruz: anti-genocide and for a dictatorship of the proletariat
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: pro-genocide
Cornel West: anti-genocide, but a well known Uncle Tom race traitor
Chase Oliver: anti-genocide, but also against cops
Michael Rectenwald: anti-genocide, but also against cops and his name kind of sounds like RECTUM
Jill Stein: anti-genocide, but PUTIN PLANT

As always, happy to help the staff and members of ResetERA.com to get informed about politics.

You forgot Cenk Uygur!  

[benji]

Not eligible. But fine:
Cenk Uygur: anti-genocide unless it's done by the Turks, friend and employer of TERF cell leader Ana Kasparian

[Besticus Maximus]

I see that awful seditious cunt Nepenthe is back on her totalitarian drivel

Literally anyone else would be banned to space for a fraction of the pure shit she spots on the regular during the ethno-nationalist authoritarian armed rebellion arc

[Daffy Duck]

Posting this here to really hammer it home how much the "social media: bad" angle is used to hurt trans people while hiding behind a veil of progressivism. We've had several topics on ERA about politicians pushing bills to ban minors from social media under the pretense that they want to protect children, and try to appeal to people's experiences of stumbling onto sites with messed up stuff when they were younger, when they just really want to cut off queer youth from their support networks.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-2024-and-yes-its-still-a-trans-genocide-an-faq-and-what-you-can-do-about-it-today-and-beyond.811257/page-2?post=119427363#post-119427363

“Go touch grass” === transphobia now

Didn’t her own mother say she spent too much time on social media and wanted it banned for kids?

[Echelon]

Hey, because I can't read 5 paragraphs of retards on resetera discussing politics, I just wanted to confirm something with you guys:

I offer 10 people a pizza lunch, with the choice being cheese or pepperoni and let them vote.

4 vote for pepperoni
3 vote for cheese
3 are vegan, who hate cruelty against animals and would never vote for pepperoni and want to vote for cheese, but because the pizza is coming from Walmart which sometimes sells pepperoni, they choose not to vote for either.

We're all in agreement about which group of 3 vegan people prevented cheese from winning, right?

[DocWager]

It would be incredibly hilarious if someone on Era was inspired by a mod to commit a shooting spree.

[Puffy Fucking Baby]

I'm pretty sure red mercury is a fed trying to rile someone up into something like that

[HaughtyFrank]

THIS IS WHAT JOE BIDEN SUPPORTS:

ACTIVE PHYSICAL RESISTANCE NOW

The timeline is confusing to me. They keep saying libs of tiktok got the teacher fired but the post they're citing is libs of tiktok posting about how the teacher was already let go.

What happened to the kid is really fucked but the details are confusing

[Snoopy]

It'll never stop being funny watching the political heavyweights of ree encouraging each other to strap up and join the "resistance." These clowns actually think they're intellectuals.

[JoeBoy101]

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THIS IS WHAT JOE BIDEN SUPPORTS:

ACTIVE PHYSICAL RESISTANCE NOW

The timeline is confusing to me. They keep saying libs of tiktok got the teacher fired but the post they're citing is libs of tiktok posting about how the teacher was already let go.

What happened to the kid is really fucked but the details are confusing

There’s a bit more details about this in the past 24 hours. Some confirming their pronouns and some explains more about how the school acted. The connection between their identity and the fight isn’t established (one of their friends was also getting beat up too), and after the fight all involved walked to the school nurse and were checked out.

It’s likely the fight caused their death, but it’s definitely not a certainty right now. Also, as of now, no evidence the fight was because they were non-binary. Hell, there’s no reported statement that I’ve read that they’ve been bullied for the past year.