Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[PogiJones]

Seriously, someone in there needs to keep everyone's eye on the ball. Just keep pressing B-dubs with the question, "Regardless of how we found out, is it true that nep said Israel should be eradicated and the Palestinians would be justified in forcing all Jews out by any means, right after the Oct. 7th attacks?"

Stop letting him take you off-topic on irrelevant rants about doxing when the information is true.

[remy]

Having ignored the repeated requests for explicit criteria the discord must meet to appease the staff (I assume because it's 'ban Brady for making a joke' but who knows), B-Dubs does feel compelled to post this zinger:


I have no idea who actually runs that Discord but I hope they keep him waiting forever.

I’m amazed he actually thinks this plan is going to work, instead of just resulting in all the discord members hating him and all the non discord members hating him. 

He’ll only regret this when he has to keep making threads for every news story he sees on CNN.

After the massive sales community debacle, which must have affected visitor numbers in a huge way (most people were led to neogaf because of the availability of sales figures), you'd think that dumb fuck would learn. 

The politics community, while diminished, is still one of those that generates significant interest from outside the current audience and from within. Losing them would put another huge dent in advertising revenue for MOBA and we get that much closer to the inevitable, "What the fuck happened to our $5 million investment?"

don't you know that the real value of the site is its excellent staff team and not those pesky "communities"?

[Uncle]

song style:

slow emotional piano song where the female singer is crying and very sad

No, change it to a male singer.

And maybe R&B to BLACK IT UP.

oldies doo-wop R&B, black male singers

https://app.suno.ai/song/49988719-3c5a-454e-b8f2-e50889a2143e

the spoken word ending is incredible  

[nobody of note]

They are painting it like CreepingFear intentionally went to KF to get dirt on Nep instead of them searching for Nep and coincidentally stumbling onto KF--and then immediately backing out when they realized where they went. The framing is disingenuous. But that is really the only thing close to "bad" they can nail the PoliERA Discord on, so they are running with it making it grander and more insidious each time.

Given how incompetent they are at literally everything else, it is kind of impressive how successful B-Dubs and friends have been at getting the userbase to accept that they should be the sole arbiters of truth and information. The sites that host information they think you should not have are so forbidden that not only can you be removed from Era for viewing them, the merest mention of them should be enough to get you stricken from anywhere else. And users are in the forums actively agreeing to this, despite the constant shifting target and narrative from the staff.

Someone has posted to clarify what happened with CreepingFear, at least:

The user came across KF (they were previously unfamiliar with it/what exactly it entailed) when searching to verify the identity of the Twitter handle that was first posted by an unaffiliated person (treble) in the PoliERA thread. Upon seeing what actually went on in KF and being discouraged by other people in the Discord, they felt bad, noped out, and apologized. There really wasn't any more to it other than that beyond the initial "Why?" that prompted the search to verify the Twitter identity in the first place, which isn't really possible to get into here without venturing into bannable territory.

can't wait for Dubs to spin this too

[PogiJones]

He’ll only regret this when

you'd think that dumb fuck would learn. 

Close enough. 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I ask for the kindness of a recap of todays events while I go back 6+ pages to start liking everything. 

MONDAY IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS BUSY!

[TylenolJones]

Title: "Unmasking B-Dubs"

[Scene: Interrogation Room. A member of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), JANE DOE, sits across from B-DUBS, who is in handcuffs. B-DUBS is a mid-30s man, with a defiant demeanor.]

JANE DOE: [Enters the room, sits down, and places a folder on the table] Mr. B-Dubs, I'm Jane Doe from the Anti-Defamation League. Do you understand why you're here?

B-DUBS: [Grins] Yeah, I know why. You guys can't handle the truth.

JANE DOE: The truth? Running a website spewing antisemitic rhetoric is hardly the truth. It's hate speech.

B-DUBS: [Laughs] Hate speech? It's just my opinion, lady. Freedom of speech, you know?

JANE DOE: Spreading hate and bigotry under the guise of free speech is a perversion of our values. Your website promotes violence and discrimination against Jewish people.

B-DUBS: Look, I'm just exercising my rights. You can't shut me down.

JANE DOE: Your rights end where they infringe upon the safety and dignity of others. Have you even considered the harm your words cause?

B-DUBS: Harm? They're just words on a screen. People need to toughen up.

JANE DOE: Words have power, Mr. B-Dubs. They can inspire actions, both good and evil. Your website cultivates a toxic environment that breeds hatred.

B-DUBS: [Defiantly] Maybe people should wake up to the truth then. Jews control everything, and it's time someone spoke up.

JANE DOE: [Maintains composure] That kind of rhetoric has been used throughout history to justify violence and persecution. It's dangerous and irresponsible.

B-DUBS: [Leans back] Whatever, lady. You can't silence me.

JANE DOE: We're not trying to silence you, Mr. B-Dubs. We're trying to educate and counteract the poison you're spreading.

B-DUBS: [Scoffs] Good luck with that. I've got followers all over.

JANE DOE: We'll do whatever it takes to dismantle your hate network and protect vulnerable communities. Your actions won't go unchecked.

[B-DUBS glares at JANE DOE, realizing the gravity of the situation.]

[Scene fades out as JANE DOE continues to confront B-DUBS, determined to combat hate speech and intolerance.]

[Uncle]

He’ll only regret this when

you'd think that dumb fuck would learn. 

Close enough. 

[Potato]

Dubs' posturing in Constructive Is Not Going Over Well. It led to the dumbest suggestion I've seen yet:

It's not helpful if you're unwilling to explain what steps you think need to be taken in the PoliERA discord for them to gain reinstatement here. It would probably be better if resetera staff had some sort of say over what goes on there. Afterall, if they're claiming affiliation with the site, then they should follow site rules. Why not have a rule where any discord advertised on this site must have a member of resetera staff added as a server admin or, even cleaner, just turn server ownership over to resetera? If this rule were in place, then Nepenthe would have never been doxxed on the PoliERA discord. I can't see why there would be any objection to this rule, unless they had something they wanted to hide from the resetera staff? If any server doesn't like this rule, then they're free not to advertise or post here.

Seems like the simplest solution. That way, they don't have to take these unknown steps to meet your ambiguous criteria for reinstatement here. They either accept a member of staff, maybe Nepenthe, as a server admin and follow the resetera rules, or they can take their ball and go elsewhere.

And then just a bunch of people getting annoyed at Dubs and digging into the lack of logic.

Who is waiting on what? What do you even want? And what could possibly be given that would mean anything of substance? The community is not responsible for infractions on this site or against other users or mods. You have taken measures to remedy the situation with policy. What the hell are you waiting for?

I think it's even been asked already, but, respectfully, who are you waiting for? A couple of people who "know who they are" on some Discord server?


And again, while it in absolutely no way excuses whoever is responsible for the doxxing, I hope it's recognized that good will goes both ways. Personally, I do think that broader political moderation has been moving in a positive direction. I appreciate your past candor in discussions in this thread, some of the changes you've enacted have definitely been working, and the US politics "subforum" will hopefully improve things further. But at this point I think it should go without saying that there are plenty of people in the PoliEra crowd who are probably really frustrated with Era's moderation, to put it lightly, and I'm not sure what strongarming them is hoping to achieve.

Is the PoliEra community responsible for the Doxxing of members and mods? Is the PoliEra community responsible for the toxic discourse in OT?

So if I understand this.

1. PoliEra OT raised considerable concerns and issues over the course of the weekend about multiple actions taken by the leadership on this site that negatively impacted members of the community (and the forum at large).
2. A mod had personal information leaked somewhere.
3. The OT was locked because leadership assumed that the leak was because of the Discord.
4. The leak in turn was not from the Discord? There's still beef with leadership and the Discord though?
5. But the OT is still going to be locked because…an apology needs to be given for off-site drama?

With all due respect, I don't see how you can possibly control what people outside this site are doing. I get that the people in the discord being current/former members might be amenable to dialogue with you, and that you're willing to extend an olive branch to them, but withholding participation to a particular thread over their heads seems completely meaningless.
If they apologize, will you even buy it? Presumably any problematic people will have already been banned from here, they won't come back. What else do you want to happen that is reasonably within your control?
If they simply refuse your demands (I'm not even sure what those entail) what else can you do?

Agreed. I think if anything, if the discord is the issue, simply don't allow it to be posted anymore and perhaps have that community no longer brand itself as era adjacent.

Even though I disagree with the ban that kicked this off, perhaps the OT should be limited to political discussion and not litigation of bans so this doesn't keep occurring. I feel like members could meet the mods halfway in this regard so it isn't all on them.

It's absurd the notion that members unrelated to any of the inciting incidents would need to do anything in this case. The members that committed infractions have been dealt with by the mod team and that is as far as any of it should go. A forum cannot be run in an environment where an entire community can be at fault for the actions of certain individuals and even more concerning that these actions didn't even happen within the site itself. If politics are not allowed on this site then that is one thing but if they are then there should be a political OT for those that want to participate. It has nothing to do with any of this drama unless the staff wants it to be. It would be easy to come to a different conclusion if there weren't nebulous demands for an unknown group of people to do something that will most likely have no effect on the discourse on this site or the safety of its members. Even the "pretend" demands make no sense and don't make the sentiment of demanding them virtuous.

The incident occurred on Era in the PoliEra thread, by a user who was not in the Discord though. That user's post (which contained an at the time public Twitter account) was swiftly deleted and the user perma'd, so I'm not sure what any Era mod being in the PoliEra Discord would have resolved.

Because contrary to what the staff keep insisting, they aren't actually good at owning up to and learning from their mistakes.

They never owned up to a mod colluding with SocialismEra to engage in brigading - they just demoted the mod, no acknowledgment whatsoever. They never walked back any of the more egregious Tara Reade bans. They still only ever consider looking at bans on appeal, because to do otherwise would allow them to proactively admit fault. The whole sex slavery debacle is just another one to throw onto the pile.

He's going to completely undo the successful doxxing cover here; Era's commitment to shooting itself in the foot remains amazing.

I heard the PoliEra discord has weapons of mass destruction. Resetera administration MUST invade and bring the carrot rule of law to those terrorists.

In fact, it's important that Resetera administration take over ownership by colonising the entire discord.

[PogiJones]

Them long legs 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

https://voca.ro/1dwBfvnP9UjF

https://voca.ro/194WkjIOJDXs

IDF have intercepted negotiations between Bdubs and the discord

Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

As entertaining as this is, I have to say, I've lost any respect I had for B-Dubs. I had him pegged as a well-meaning guy in a position well beyond his capability to handle, resulting in hilarious incompetence. However, in this latest escapade, he is coming across as a power tripping asshole evilore type.

[benji]

I know everyone's been eagerly awaiting Kyuuji's take on this, so:

Not going to entwine myself in the majority of this as someone who's both lost a large portion of their community from the forum, runs an off-site Discord, still has a target on their back from Kiwifarms and who's been doxxed,

Anyway, guess who now gets a page with some greatest hits including now deleted posts: https://thebore.net/re/kyuuji.htm

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Is trying to get us in trouble with the goddamn anti defamation league

At what point do you take responsibility for the kind of community you have fostered?

Oh no.. what could have been said to lead to such accusations? 

[Taco Bell Tower]

5 pages in a hour? Tf did I miss.

Imagine the guy who hasn't checked since Friday afternoon.

When you realize Taco Bell Tower hasn't been on for a while. Imagine their face at seeing all the posts they need to like.

Edit: Their last like was on page 1049.. Oh my god.

It ain't the first time and just like the last time it worn my fingers out.  Still need to catch up 

[benji]

B-Dubs should offer a trade, Nepenthe apologizes for saying Israel should be ethnically cleansed and PoliEra agrees to let him clean house on their Discord.

[nobody of note]

The narrative is in danger:

To the staff: your blame is misplaced. Flat out. You are lashing out at the wrong people and allowing understandably high emotions dictate your response.

I get that, but Person One who said they ended up on kiwifarms in their search for nep, is still an issue.
Why are you "searching for nep"? What did you plan on doing with the info you got from that search?


What is the context of going to kiwifarms searching for nep?

An (at the time) public social media account was posted to the PoliERA OT by some shit heel apparently involved with KF. It was swiftly deleted and the person was banned. It was up long enough for the (again PUBLIC) social media account to be visible to someone in the discord community so they did a search based on that profile under the assumption it was related to a mod here as the contents of the screenshot that was shared were reminiscent of statements made here on this forum that have long been a point of concern for members of the community. So that discord member went on an ill advised search based on that info. The google search conducted produced a link to KF which they clicked, realized what it was, and closed. They then went back in the discord to literally say they felt bad for the person in question after seeing the KF link and then joke about being on some government watchlist for visiting such an awful website.

Multiple members responded saying "wtf don't do that." And unanimously denounced the website. That was the end of it. That's all that happened.

Over the course of this happening the public social media account was set to private.

At no point was any information outside of posts associated with a public social media account posted to the discord. No Personally identifying information was posted. Ever. None. It did not happen.

What has happened is people going into a discord community that has been upset with the moderation of this community specifically in regards to its treatment of Jewish community members and they've taken snippets of off hand joke comments and made them out to be some sort of grand conspiracy. You have posts being alluded to that are literally a month plus old and it's being insinuated they are part of some current campaign to harass people. It's just not true. Flat out.

It keeps getting said over and over that the PoliEra community is harassing people. Criticize? Vent frustrations about? Joke ? Absolutely. But harassment? No, absolutely not. Regardless of whatever off the cuff joke and comments made no harassment campaigns or anything of the sort have happened.

Calls to email the owners of the site out of frustration with the staff is not harassment. The comment being alluded to about the FBI was almost a month ago and was in reference to the FBI getting involved with the company that owns the forum not any staff of the website. It was in reference to said company being totally hands off with the sites they own and what that can lead to when the wrong things inevitably get said online somewhere they are responsible for. It was in no way a threat against staff. In bad taste? Absolutely. Harassment? No action was taken and even if it had the target was a company not a person so I don't see how that could be construed as harassment. The way this is all being portrayed here has been incredibly disappointing

There are a lot of people in that discord community that cared (and frankly still care) about this site and political discussion on this site but have been repeatedly driven away from contributing due to the actions and inactions of the staff and now the gross misrepresentation of that community has succeeded in driving a majority of the community away thus decimating any hope those of us trying to mend those bridges had.

I have been trying to bridge gaps and keep political discussion on this site alive to because the community means a lot to me and I know how much it means to many others. But the way this has been handled has done irreparable damage to the trust any of the community has in the staff to actually engage in good faith and as result has, with almost complete certainty, destroyed the community I care about and prevented it from being a valuable resource to countless people over the course of a pivotal election. No matter how much I or a hand full of others inevitably try to keep things going we cannot make up for the people that are being lost due to this. Any efforts we make now will be dragging a shambling corpse along to November.

Because doxxing is a massive safety issue and the discord server is/was directly associated with era. There's a lot of moving parts here and finer points and I'm not commenting on any of that, but I don't think this essential issue is very difficult to understand. That behavior is not compatible with community regardless of where it happens. Anyone who participates in that must be permanently banned, or there cannot be an era. That is how it's always been and how it should remain.



Respectfully, there is NO way to search for information on innocent people and end up on kf without knowing you are participating in something truly despicable and vile, especially with the premeditated intent to share that information. Maybe this user was socially shamed into acquiescence, but I do not buy this characterization of them wandering into that hellhole like a fawn into a glade. That is absurd. And it's not like what you describe prior to that is something that should be tolerated either.

If the person/account in question has been a target of KF it is absolutely possible. I was a target myself a long while back and I tested this by searching my own accounts and KF was linked on page one in multiple searches across different search engines.

There was a brief time when KF was not hosted and therefore unindexable on search engines. That is no longer the case. If someone's handles or names etc have been subject to a campaign in that site it will show up in searches.

[Nintex]

Imagine the FBI agents reading this, finding out 20 more pages were added since they started

[PogiJones]

I ask for the kindness of a recap of todays events while I go back 6+ pages to start liking everything. 

MONDAY IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS BUSY!

Basically, B-dubs is obsessed with taking over the PoliEra discord so he can ban Brady you know who I mean, and the discord isn't having it. Meanwhile, everyone over there is distracted by kiwifarms and doxing, completely losing sight of the fact that Nep really did, in reality, call for ethnic cleansing of the Jews after the Oct. 7th attacks.

[Nintex]

Don't forget Plagarize downplaying the sexual assault on the Oct 7th hostages.

[PogiJones]

Again.

[saltygeneraltso]

For me, the worst part is the tacit endorsement by Nepenthe and the rest of the moderators of the killing and rape of Jews.

[TylenolJones]

Imagine the FBI agents reading this, finding out 20 more pages were added since they started

FBI Agents are still probably catching up on all the lore to understand this all

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39747.0

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Why do they keep saying Treble went to Kiwifarms when the link he provided was directly from Nep's PUBLIC twitter account. Why do they need to keep up the boogieman story? Weirdos. 

We have the screen shot of the post. It's nothing but a twitter link.

Edit: Top Gadot

[kaleidoscopium]

B dumbs list of complaints really is a self report. He knows there is something going on that if investigated by a group such as the FBI, MOBA or the ADL they would come out very negative and likely fired. 

Keep on digging B dumbs, can’t get any worse

[benji]

The narrative is in danger:

If the person/account in question has been a target of KF it is absolutely possible. I was a target myself a long while back and I tested this by searching my own accounts and KF was linked on page one in multiple searches across different search engines.

Was a "target" by having his username in a list of ResetERA.com usernames:

[saltygeneraltso]

Nep really did, in reality, call for ethnic cleansing of the Jews after the Oct. 7th attacks.

During the Oct. 7th attacks.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Imagine the guy who hasn't checked since Friday afternoon.

When you realize Taco Bell Tower hasn't been on for a while. Imagine their face at seeing all the posts they need to like.

Edit: Their last like was on page 1049.. Oh my god.

It ain't the first time and just like the last time it worn my fingers out.  Still need to catch up 

I just finished catching up. You can do it. 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

The narrative is in danger:

If the person/account in question has been a target of KF it is absolutely possible. I was a target myself a long while back and I tested this by searching my own accounts and KF was linked on page one in multiple searches across different search engines.

Was a "target" by having his username in a list of ResetERA.com usernames:

That damn dirty Joshua Moon and his damn dirty KIWIFARMS!!

[benji]

I admit it, I went to Kiwi Farms to search ResetERA.com member RexNovis.