Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[JoeBoy101]

So consider this yet another reminder that you have a decent team here who has been attempting for years to cooperate with its userbase far beyond what other teams would consider necessary or viable, and as a result a little terseness should be expected from time to time.

We’ll decide that sort of thing based on our own criteria on our own schedule.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ukraine%E2%80%99s-top-fencer-disqualified-after-refusing-to-shake-hands-with-russian-opponent.747022/#post-109592656

User Banned (3 days): inflammatory rhetoric, there are russians against the invasion and we shouldn't punish them for the crimes of their nation

She’s not formally representing Russia. She’s there as an independent athlete, as were all the Russian players in Wimbledon, and so on. I don’t know what you want.

Her not to be there at all, same for the players at Wimbledon

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ukraine%E2%80%99s-top-fencer-disqualified-after-refusing-to-shake-hands-with-russian-opponent.747022/page-3#post-109599001

User banned (1 week): inflammatory accusations and drive-by posting; prior ban for inflammatory commentary

Wonder how many people outraged at this decision also get pissy whenever a Palestinian or Iranian refuses to shake hands with an Israeli

[benji]

The name they used?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/15aizp9/comment/jtnxdyr/

I've also named myself after my FFXIV character's first name. One thing I realized is when I finally named her and stopped using a generic internet handle name for her, was me experimenting with names before I even realized I'm trans. I thought I was giving her a name, but it was me using her as a safe place to experiment with personal changes that I wanted for myself.

I want to mock it but it's so sad.

Mitch McConnell is one of the most repugnant, corrupt, and socially damaging politicians of the last 50 years. His votes or no-votes have literally cost people their livelihoods and sometimes their actual lives. His refusal to approve Obama's SCOTUS nominee is one of the largest reason why the SCOTUS has gone to complete hell since 2018.


Why is it a problem to wish the worst for him?

This guy is incredibly dumb, the problem wasn't wishing the worst for him, the problem was that people and the staff considered people joking about him shitting himself to be the "worst for him" versus regular ghouls of the forum. (I also notice that he feels that McConnell and presumably the rest of the Senate should be bound to approve anything the President asks.)

It is definitely not for passive aggressive JAQing off in the likes of "Which genius did thing I disagree with. Just curious." Shit like this is what eats at us over time and is why we have been harsh on it in this thread specifically. We want your feed back but this isn't it. I really don't want to threadban people over this relating to things such as Mitch McConnell... It's not worth it so please stop it. Its making our shit job shittier. >8(

That post wasn't passive aggressive "JAQing off" it was sarcasm. The rest of this paragraph from a staff member? Actually passive aggressive.

And now for the magnum cuntus:

I mean that's not being passive-aggressive. It's a blatant explanation that he had significant precedent to ban folks for breaking the rules but chose to give a reminder instead.

Frankly, the amount of outreach, justification, and pleasantries we're expected to perform on this large of a scale can get easily overwhelming in the vain of customer service work, which is especially notable since as far as I can tell the vast majority of social media website don't actually function this way. None of them have a group humans constantly reminding you about how to behave; instead, a bot shuffles you off when you break a rule and keeps it moving, or the mods just give far less of a shit than we do and don't bother talking.

So consider this yet another reminder that you have a decent team here who has been attempting for years to cooperate with its userbase far beyond what other teams would consider necessary or viable, and as a result a little terseness should be expected from time to time.

Okay, so first of all you deal with roughly a few thousand members and have more than enough staff, social media websites deal with millions of members posting millions of things a second. It's frankly absurd that you consider yourself above cultivating a community properly while you spend all your time talking about how you can socially engineer the community if only it wasn't for the bad actors who reject your divine wisdom. Showing a human face is literally your advantage and you refuse to do it, calling it "overwhelming" even though you've never tried it, and then blame the userbase for not "cooperating" because they continue to think they're part of the community rather than tools of the staff to be ordered around, it's no wonder you jump to it not being "viable" because you tried nothing but dictating and you're all out of ideas. It's especially laughable coming from a person who has been tasked with finding all the dictates the staff has issued that members are expected to "cooperate" in following without knowing but have yet to finish this task and have even neglected keeping up to date the public list of new rules that have been added since the public list was started.

Lastly, it's vein, not vain you vain hookup knife wielding lunatic.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/elon-musk-tw𝕏tt𝕏r-dr𝕏m𝕏-𝕏t-let’s-keep-it-here-parody-🔵-official-ꕤ.649272/page-871#post-109601971

User banned (2 weeks): metacommentary and misrepresenting other members

So the discussion about removing twitter embeds on ResetEra is ongoing but basically the consensus from the site discussions thread seems to be that removing twitter embeds is tantamount to asking to ban something on the site, which would be awful and something this site would never countenance, except for all those times that it's happened before which for some reason are totally unrelated.

Hit dog hollering?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ukraine%E2%80%99s-top-fencer-disqualified-after-refusing-to-shake-hands-with-russian-opponent.747022/page-3#post-109602109

The equivalent of all those "zero tolerance" rules that got me in detention back in grade school for finally fighting back against one of the bullies who'd been tormenting me for years.

 

[PogiJones]

Okay, so first of all you deal with roughly a few thousand members and have more than enough staff, social media websites deal with millions of members posting millions of things a second. It's frankly absurd that you consider yourself above cultivating a community properly while you spend all your time talking about how you can socially engineer the community if only it wasn't for the bad actors who reject your divine wisdom. Showing a human face is literally your advantage and you refuse to do it, calling it "overwhelming" even though you've never tried it, and then blame the userbase for not "cooperating" because they continue to think they're part of the community rather than tools of the staff to be ordered around, it's no wonder you jump to it not being "viable" because you tried nothing but dictating and you're all out of ideas. It's especially laughable coming from a person who has been tasked with finding all the dictates the staff has issued that members are expected to "cooperate" in following without knowing but have yet to finish this task and have even neglected keeping up to date the public list of new rules that have been added since the public list was started.

Lastly, it's vein, not vain you vain hookup knife wielding lunatic.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

NepNep doesn't have a hookup knife, has never had a hookup, and has probably never purchased anything from a butcher.

[Eric Cartman]

So that thread is locked while we review some of the reports. A staff post will likely be posted there later. I'm not really going to go over that specifically right now but I feel like I need to do some house keeping in this thread because some people, as an example, Mitch McConnell, can bring out some of the worst in all of us. It is upsetting for users and staff both. That said... This thread is not for ban litigation. It is definitely not for passive aggressive JAQing off in the likes of "Which genius did thing I disagree with. Just curious." Shit like this is what eats at us over time and is why we have been harsh on it in this thread specifically. We want your feed back but this isn't it. I really don't want to threadban people over this relating to things such as Mitch McConnell... It's not worth it so please stop it. Its making our shit job shittier. >8(

With that said, a bit more house keeping on that or this. Sometimes, (today for example) we don't see things straight away. Sometimes we just happen to have busy schedules in our lives that day and the mods available aren't as familiar with the topic or issue. I'm Australian and I struggle to remember all the shitty people in my own country let alone another. It takes more time than I can offer or I could try to take some shortcuts... regardless I'll never be able to fully grasp everything. That is, sometimes reports are just going to take longer than usual. It is fine to talk about threads and behaviour broadly, we do read everything in here and take it in. I personally don't even mind too much when users talk about issues here because a lot of times other users will give feedback that offers perspective as to why something might be a problem and what have you. This interaction is probably undervalued by many but in all honestly I think it is one of the best parts of this thread.

One of the issues we often face is that we/staff cannot force a user to care about any given issue. We also must recognise that sometimes just because the user post something that seems like they don't care, it doesn't mean they don't. However, we draw a line when we feel they are being dismissive or inappropriate in some way. Sometimes the post is otherwise good except for one thing or another. Among staff, where the line is drawn is often case by case or when we have an large influx of reports sometimes a baseline is given for specific behaviour or some other contextual considerations that might change the moderation throughout a thread before we even look at the user's history. Staff will sometimes push back and forth on this line so you can imagine that many users will also feel differently about any one decision.

Look a few pages back and you will see feedback and sentiments that naturally collide.
You can't argue that x is wrong vs I thought it is the other way around.
Just ban the trouble makers vs Mods don't give benefit of the doubt and reads users in the worst possible way.
I like staff posting vs I don't like it..
Staff should use official posts for guidance, normal posts make me uneasy vs official posts can be robotic and makes me uneasy.
Thank you for the posts in x thread vs staff are too aggressive/condescending.

I know these aren't entirely the point of the posts to be against each other but they overlap often when it comes to moderating. I don't think they are always mutually exclusive and there is a perfect solution in there somewhere, probably. It just isn't in me. Pages back, the question of whether a mod should be held to a higher standard was brought up. This metric is imo only valuable to myself for myself. I think I know pretty well what standard is expected of me but the fact is I can't please everyone. I can hold myself to that standard but fail it in the eyes of users. I can hold myself to that standard and some users will agree but not others. This doesn't mean we're beyond reproach, we certainly make mistakes but to me, this higher standard is like a mythical ideal that is unattainable despite all of us working doggedly towards it.

With all that said I feel it would be good to also remind that disagreements, even in this thread not necessarily a bad thing. None of the above mentioned points or not mentioned are invalid and while we can't make everyone happy all the time and we can't tell you any exact solutions to we are certainly reading and thinking about it behind the scenes.

Any ways. I mashed this out in the spare moments after the thread lock but then had to dash before completing it. Now that I'm back and finished the last sentences I left I'm out of steam. There was some more I wanted to touch on but its not going to happen today cause I have too many lemons to juggle. Maybe I'll regret posting this later but I'll deal with that lemon when it comes. Thanks for reading.

tl;dr - "Sorry we're all so shit at this but we're not gonna change anything because we're too busy trying not to shit our pants"


Also I bolded the part where, HMMMMM MAYBE SOME KIND OF FUCKING LIST MIGHT HELP?

[AldusMoneyPenny]

Luckily they apply all site rules equally. Like the one about posting threads which are just tweets.  The one that's actually in their Terms of Use. They'd never let that one slide. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/knee-sliding-chaos-clown-lady-says-tie-your-shoes-kids.746290/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/time-to-feel-old-i-like-turtles-zombie-kid-is-now-i-like-turtles-zombie-man-in-reenactment-for-tmnt-mutant-mayhem-promo.746893/

[PogiJones]

NepNep doesn't have a hookup knife, has never had a hookup, and has probably never purchased anything from a butcher.

You can't take my belief away from me

[Eric Cartman]

I just don’t find it convincing.

So you’re both hotheaded men. Whoopee.

🗣️MAKE IT FUNNY!!!

Hit him with a cream pie!

Challenge him to a battle of “Yo mama!” jokes.

Put a Whoopi’s cushion on his seat.

y'know, like they do in the hood when they gotta unleash a little chaos

[NekoFever]

NepNep doesn't have a hookup knife, has never had a hookup, and has probably never purchased anything from a butcher.

Not without washing it first, at least.

[JoeBoy101]

Okay, so first of all you deal with roughly a few thousand members and have more than enough staff, social media websites deal with millions of members posting millions of things a second. It's frankly absurd that you consider yourself above cultivating a community properly while you spend all your time talking about how you can socially engineer the community if only it wasn't for the bad actors who reject your divine wisdom. Showing a human face is literally your advantage and you refuse to do it, calling it "overwhelming" even though you've never tried it, and then blame the userbase for not "cooperating" because they continue to think they're part of the community rather than tools of the staff to be ordered around, it's no wonder you jump to it not being "viable" because you tried nothing but dictating and you're all out of ideas. It's especially laughable coming from a person who has been tasked with finding all the dictates the staff has issued that members are expected to "cooperate" in following without knowing but have yet to finish this task and have even neglected keeping up to date the public list of new rules that have been added since the public list was started.

Lastly, it's vein, not vain you vain hookup knife wielding lunatic.

I can only imagine how physically exhaust and emotionally damaged Benji is dealing with us.

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Not enough.

[HardcoreRetro]

*Watches Mitch McConnell have a stroke on stage*

Me, a master of decorum.

"More like Twitch McConnell."

[Snoopy]

From the Bluesky thread -

Who let all the furries in? Yikes.

i'm sorry that you have to coexist with queer people :(

Imagine hating furries in 2023. 🙄

I honestly want to know what the point of your post was? Just “ew”?

If B Dubs and Nep Nep really want a better community they could start by getting rid of obvious ban baiters and witch hunters like this lot

[Boredfrom]

Imagine hating furries in 2023. 🙄

People still don’t consider bear druid sex as normal, my dude…

[remy]

I just don’t find it convincing.

So you’re both hotheaded men. Whoopee.

🗣️MAKE IT FUNNY!!!

Hit him with a cream pie!

Challenge him to a battle of “Yo mama!” jokes.

Put a Whoopi’s cushion on his seat.

y'know, like they do in the hood when they gotta unleash a little chaos

really weird fucking post

like is this sarcasm

is it meant to be funny

is my guy honestly asking for american government to be even more of a literal clown show than it is already? lol?

[benji]

People still don’t consider bear druid sex as normal, my dude…

i'm sorry that you have to coexist with queer people :(

[Besticus Maximus]

I don't have to coexist with Bear fuckers, on account of the bears handling it themselves

[HaughtyFrank]

Imagine hating furries in 2023. 🙄

People still don’t consider bear druid sex as normal, my dude…

I too can't believe that people dressing up in fursuits and having big ass orgies is still considered weird in 2023.

Where did we go wrong as a society?

[HaughtyFrank]

Also consider that the mods are just regular ass people like us who do this on a volunteer basis and in addition to legislating on larger decisions that affect site-wide rules, they also have to handle a deluge of reports and tickets while also being ready to react when some random bullshit happens out of nowhere that they have to jump on like firefighters. If the mods didn’t let a little frustration leak into their responses where they need to enforce the rules or set the tone, I’d be concerned that they’re not human.

Why do they act like any of the things listed here are difficult to do?

I'd maybe feel a little sympathy...IF THE MODS WEREN'T THE ONES WHO CULTIVATED THIS BEHAVIOUR IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!

Here's a new post in the constructive thread where B-tard literally tells people to send in more reports

If you see something breaking the rules or something that's really bad, then report it. It's actually very rare that we have problems with the reports people send in and if we do we'll generally send a rejection report letting people know this ain't it. (If they keep going with the really bad reports we will start smacking though, but, again, this is super rare and is only really a handful of users over the years have fit this criteria. These sorts of reports are generally either abusive towards us or attempting to weaponize moderation staff against posters/discussions/arguments the poster in question does not like on a personal level.) Again, what I'm talking about when I talk about people abusing the report system isn't sending in reports for stuff and we don't hit it, you'd need to act in much more manipulative or abusive ways for us to feel like you need hitting.

So just send in whatever reports and if you're off-base nothing will happen, but it's better to be off-base than not.

I will note, there's nothing more annoying than people bitching about how we haven't banned x person for y post when the person in question hasn't even bothered to send in a report letting us know of the existence of said horrible post. (This is actually what happens most times when you see someone making those sorts of posts tbh)

At this point I think they're really just this dumb and can't see the connection between being overloaded with reports while also encouraging members to file reports even if they're not sure. It's the same shit with b-dubs popping a vein every time he has to remind people of the "no advocating for content bans" rule, a rule he literally refuses to write down anywhere. 
They're like a bunch of flies who keep banging against a glass window, wondering every time anew why they couldn't fly through.

[Snoopy]

I understand Nep has added masking tape and rohypnol to her hook up kit

[Taco Bell Tower]

I just don’t find it convincing.

So you’re both hotheaded men. Whoopee.

🗣️MAKE IT FUNNY!!!

Hit him with a cream pie!

Challenge him to a battle of “Yo mama!” jokes.

Put a Whoopi’s cushion on his seat.

y'know, like they do in the hood when they gotta unleash a little chaos

really weird fucking post

like is this sarcasm

is it meant to be funny

is my guy honestly asking for american government to be even more of a literal clown show than it is already? lol?

A mod closed the thread

This thread is being locked as there doesn't seem to be a productive discussion to be had.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-hate-semi-trucks.747208/

The other day, I was driving on the highway when a semi-truck kicked up a kick and hit my relatively new (five month old) car’s windshield and cracked it. Thankfully I was able to get into Safelite for a same-day repair, but you can obviously still see the crack unless I replace the whole windshield. Which got me thinking, I absolutely hate semi-trucks.

I understand the necessity for them to transport goods and dangerous chemicals, and I’m not trying to put millions of people out of a job, but how have we as a society not come up with a better way? They hold up traffic constantly, the tires can blow at any moment and whip cars and leave their remnants all over the road, they cause 99% of the damage to pavement, and can shoot water at your windshield when it’s raining, virtually blinding you. Why have we not created semi-truck/large vehicle only lanes?

[NekoFever]

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From the Bluesky thread -

Who let all the furries in? Yikes.

i'm sorry that you have to coexist with queer people :(

Imagine hating furries in 2023. 🙄

I honestly want to know what the point of your post was? Just “ew”?

If B Dubs and Nep Nep really want a better community they could start by getting rid of obvious ban baiters and witch hunters like this lot

No wonder all the normal LGBs want off the alphabet train if furries are considered queer now.

[Eric Cartman]

If you see something breaking the rules or something that's really bad, then report it. It's actually very rare that we have problems with the reports people send in and if we do we'll generally send a rejection report letting people know this ain't it. (If they keep going with the really bad reports we will start smacking though, but, again, this is super rare and is only really a handful of users over the years have fit this criteria. These sorts of reports are generally either abusive towards us or attempting to weaponize moderation staff against posters/discussions/arguments the poster in question does not like on a personal level.) Again, what I'm talking about when I talk about people abusing the report system isn't sending in reports for stuff and we don't hit it, you'd need to act in much more manipulative or abusive ways for us to feel like you need hitting.

So just send in whatever reports and if you're off-base nothing will happen, but it's better to be off-base than not.

I will note, there's nothing more annoying than people bitching about how we haven't banned x person for y post when the person in question hasn't even bothered to send in a report letting us know of the existence of said horrible post. (This is actually what happens most times when you see someone making those sorts of posts tbh)

I got a pissy mod response to my report of a (now perma-banned for hostility and history of hostility) user for being needlessly hostile to another user for 'weaponising the report system'

[Eric Cartman]

the moderation staffs problem with reports isn't that they're 'overloaded' - its that they fucking play favorites, which leads to blatant and confusing moderation decisions, where moderator-pet acting like a total cunt skates scot-free or with a slap on the wrist 3 day thread ban, and a thread full of people laughing about stroke victims goes unmoderated until a former mod who shits their pants reports a joke about shitting their pants and its suddenly retroactively a graveyard

[Eric Cartman]

also that they're fucking neverwrongs that think they're an expert on every given subject and any difference in opinion is trolling / inflammatory comparison / false equivalence etc

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/travis-scott-utopia-out-now.747148/page-4#post-109631716

so the fact that Kanye produced/wrote and starred on the album was fine but featuring Chappelle is going to far?

Why is this album even being promoted/discussed here?

No mention of Travis Scott getting his audience members killed by practically inciting a riot.

[BIONIC]

You mean inciting a little bit of chaos