ooh, some great content:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-floats-idea-of-%E2%80%9Cjust-clean-out%E2%80%9D-gaza-by-moving-refugees-to-egypt-jordan-and-other-arab-countries.1092093/page-2#post-134882163 wrote:Straight from genocide to ethnic cleansing.
spineduke wrote:Quote:Dems not in charge, never put this forward "Look at how the dems did this"Right, they only advocated for the genocide part, glad we cleared that up.
Like the dems were 100% ok with bombing them because Biden 100% believes in retaliatory defense for Israel, but at no point he advocating for the total removal of the population.
spineduke wrote:Quote:but the GOP has always been magnitudes worse.ffs, at least acknowledge the genocide. I know exactly what the GOP are, but do you know who the Democrats are? Palestine has been hell ever since the West decided it was theirs.
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Yes it is, NO FUCKING SHIT. The problem is that one side thinks things cant get worse then Biden, that he was by far the worst thing to happen to the region, that's not the point, the genocide was non negotiable the difference was always will there be a Palestine left or will we look back at this as akin to the Lucayan. There is a stark difference between the two and pretending there isn't proves you don't want harm reduction you want to just see yourself as being right.
Kasey wrote:You people are monsters. Racist fucking monsters. Fuck you
spineduke wrote:Quote: User subforum banned (1 week): inflammatory commentary over a series of postsYes i am here just to win internet fights and lord over your failures. If you want to engage seriously, go read some history. 76 years of continuous apartheid, of annexation, of killing and imprisonment, of pogroms, of infanticide and humiliation. But yes, tell us how this all really ends because of the Republicans. Face it, America is a sick country that is committed to killing off the Palestinians. One way or another - the Democrats will offer us a veneer of concern, while the Republicans do it openly. I don't care about being right, I am forever alienated by the disease that permeates American politics. You want allyship? You want harm reduction? How about you stop killing us, over and over?
Yes it is, NO FUCKING SHIT. The problem is that one side thinks things cant get worse then Biden, that he was by far the worst thing to happen to the region, that's not the point, the genocide was non negotiable the difference was always will there be a Palestine left or will we look back at this as akin to the Lucayan. There is a stark difference between the two and pretending there isn't proves you don't want harm reduction you want to just see yourself as being right.
Kasey wrote:Quote:Vaguely calling me a racist monster for pointing out how much worse it can get is a weird thing to do."Genocide was non negotiable" fuck you and everything you stand for. Lazy fat soulless liberals.
spineduke wrote:Quote:Yes I am well aware, I got a whole degree in it and they also let me teach it to children. Also yes keep ignoring the fact that there are Palestinians still left. Keep pretending that they all died under Biden or the there wasn't a cease fire he put together. I'm the monster for pointing out of the complete elimination of a people is far far worse and irreversible. There are no degrees to anything its all binary. I don't know how many times I have to say the genocide was a bipartisan nonnegotiable part of the election, one said brokered a cease fire, the other is said and is putting into motion peace through total elimination of one side.Binary? I've demonstrated that the entire system has been designed to kill us all off. I talk about 76 years of injustice and you're locked on October 7. We've had decades of "harm reduction" that was nothing more than a slow acting poison, an educator of history would be well aware of this but i still wait for that acknowledgment. The cumulation of America's failures is on top of us and i speak as an Arab who has born witness to the repeated hell that America puts on top of us - your fixation on the last man holding the gun means little here. I hope one day you wake up and see what America and Zionism have hand in hand led us to.
Kasey wrote: User subforum banned (1 week): inflammatory commentary over a series of posts
Quote:Oh so one of the parties running for office wasn't committing genocide? Was there an outcome to the election with a party that had not signed off on some form of it? What part am I wrong with there? What part of pointing out reality of this situation makes me racist? How does any of that make me a "fat soulless lib?"You knowingly voted for genocide. I guess the best descriptor for that is Nazi. MAGA works too.
Quote:That's the most frustrating thing about this."Germany isn't perfect, but they are the beacon of European civilization and preferable to Socialism"
Pointing out the stark reality like this gets you accused of being a genocide apologist.
I was never happy about the situation, but you're right. Neither option in the recent election would stop the genocide. That was the shitty reality dealt to us. And I kept saying that people were acting like a magical third option would appear like a deus ex machina as long as they kept to their principles.
It was pretty much a horrific trolley problem. But I had to pull a lever either way.
The US have never been the good guys. But they are an important piece holding together the imperfect post-WWII status quo that was shitty to the Global South but still far, far preferable to instability.
spineduke wrote:Quote:So me voting for Harris, is being MAGA? Voting for Harris is Nazi shit now? What was I supposed to do vote for Jill Stein, or not vote? What option do you think magically makes this end and kept Trump out of power?You are deeply in denial over Americas role and history in the region. Democrats have reliably demonstrated that their vision of "peace" means bombing every country and allowing Israel to run around, burning and pillaging as it pleases, like a barbarian horde. They've offered words to placate but here on ground zero we are witness to a hell that surpasses the 1948 Nakba. I am under no illusion that Trump will carry on the torch. You want to argue that Trump is a threat to the world order? No argument from me. But as a leader to the region, its business as usual. We've migrated from one cold blooded murderer to the next. You want to argue harm reduction for a party that has enabled a genocide. Do you take us for idiots? If you want people to blame for the election loss, look inwards. The Democrat party is in tatters, and for good reason.
I'm locked in at the last election, that's what I'm focusing. I don't know how to make it any clearer. Look if you think there isn't any difference between what Harris would allow to happen and what Trump is pushing for then I don't know what to tell you. Also fucking wild you think I'm endorsing or supporting any of this instead of pointing out the consequences of the only two options we had to vote for and how Trump was far far far worse. If you want to move away from harm reduction then I think we are entering that period in US foreign policy in this region.
FantasticToma wrote:What can you even say here? After genocide comes exodus. Netanjahu and Trump are literaly biblical plagues.
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