Philosophical Productive Discussion

[benji]

The CRA and the VRA and basically the entire Civil Rights movement in general was extremely unpopular with the general American public. This is a big simplification because i'm not trying to write a college course here, but in essence LBJ was staring down the barrel of a full blown race war unless he got the government to do something, knowing full well getting these laws passed would deal significant damage to his party for decades, and he was right.

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Slavery was not ended by compromise, or by persuasion, or by incremental change. There is no universe where it would have been possible to do this. It was ultimately ended by people shooting other people who wanted to keep slavery until they couldn't realistically resist anymore. And now we don't have slavery anymore, and almost everyone thinks that's good, and god I hope that includes people in this thread. Every time someone fighting for slavery was killed that was a cool and good thing that happened because it led to slavery's end. What the North did wasn't "terrorism", although I'm sure the plantation owners that got their houses burned down would disagree.

Speaking of simply ahistorical.

That is to say, more specifically for one of these, that slavery was doomed. It was the nature of that doom that induced the Confederates to resort to rejecting the democratic process for pre-emptive violence in a futile misguided attempt to buy time.