(11-09-2025, 04:44 AM)Polident wrote: This type of post, the “well, actually [popular old media] is the same as Dragon Age 4”, should signal that people don’t actually mind any of it. I get the guy is deliberately dishonest, but I don’t understand the endgame to this smug obtuseness when there’s a dwindling tolerance for it.
it also feels like a half-hearted attempt to claim ownership over something they know they can't have and don't really want anyway, they're applying a thought process that works on themselves but doesn't work on normal people, i.e. it's projection
"oh you like this game? but I, your enemy, like this game too for its progressive elements, that means you aren't allowed to like it"
but as for FF7 being "woke?"
- literally everyone likes seeing shitty evil corporations get taken down a peg, that's not a woke thing
- FF7's planet is dying in a more tangible, active, visible way, with a literal magical force that's being drained, and can easily be justified as "just fantasy"
- Barret doesn't lead shit, he's a loudmouth jackass who makes bad ineffectual decisions based on emotion, he cedes leadership to Cloud immediately and is the party comic relief and speaks in what Japan thinks is AAVE, don't pretend you actually approve of this
- also the only black guy is the one who uses guns? hooray progressive?
- Tifa has gigantic bouncing breasts in the cutscenes and to this day is one of the most porned video game characters ever
- both Tifa and Aeris have multiple "damsel" moments, Tifa goes all to pieces over the fact that Cloud "came back" for her after his childhood promise, Cloud cross-dresses specifically to rescue poor helpless Tifa, they climb Shinra tower specifically to rescue Aeris, and there are plenty of other story beats where the girls are in trouble and need the guys to save them
- Tifa also has a whole minigame dedicated to getting into a bitchy catty slap fight with Scarlet
- makes light of gay people and gay stereotypes at several points (mob of sweaty men in the honey bee inn)
- insensitive portrayal of native american cultures in cosmo canyon
- Cid is in an incredibly abusive relationship with Shera
- game unrealistically simplifies all conflicts as "just fight the big baddie and good will win" instead of telling people to vote
but above all, you just ask yourself "then why do people like this, but they don't like that?" why do people like saints row 1-3 and not saints row reboot? why didn't people like forspoken? or dragon age 1 vs 4? there might not even be a specific answer, often there's just a vibe and you can tell "this game was made by people passionate about telling a good story, instead of people passionate about pushing a narrative"
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