Why logical arguments are bad arguments
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(11-17-2023, 08:37 PM)Uncle wrote:
(11-17-2023, 08:30 PM)Eric Cartman wrote: The scientific method actively denounces the concept of 'authority' in the first place; nobody gives a fuck who you are if your stated claims are unable to be tested or experiments reproduced (although I'll concede you would get more benefit of the doubt if you have a reputable track record)

well there are countless types of things that can be debated, and not all of them are going to be rooted in science or a definite answer, it's all about convincing each other or some third party who might see the debate

we could debate some aspect of Tolkien's worldbuilding, and I could cite a quote from Tolkien himself (saying that he must know his own world better than anyone else) and you could cite a quote from a Tolkien scholar (saying that this person has probably invested more time studying and drawing connections between all his writings than Tolkien ever did himself)

those quotes are probably going to include data that supports the argument one way or the other, but the fact that they come from people who ought to know what they're talking about might lend them more credence, and anyone viewing the debate can decide for themselves, since there's really no way to know the answer for certain

Ultimately things that are worth debating are worth debating because they are unprovable at their core tenet; which, again, is where intelligent debate ideally stems from a position of reasonableness.
A reasonable person is prepared to listen to reason and - to a greater or lesser extent - change their opinion accordingly.
Considering this, you could look at 'logical fallacies' as reasonable fallacies; the underlying issue the author of this piece has is unreasonable people using them as a cudgel to 'win' at any expense.
"Appeal To Authority" - or any other identified fallacy - through a 'reasonableness lens' rather than as 'logic to construct a solution' should make it clearer as to intended use.
Formalising 'logic' into 'reasonable' arguments is not intended to be a Win Condition - as I say, it is part of the overall point being made; it is strengthening the reasonableness (or, if you prefer, persuasiveness) of a given position.
People who are unreasonable and declare their unwillingness to change their opinion no matter what will still reject any conversational tack, logical conclusion, or evidence presented.
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RE: Why logical arguments are bad arguments - by Eric Cartman - 11-17-2023, 08:49 PM

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