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[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-the-most-educated-people-in-america-fall-for-anti-semitic-lies-the-atlantic.817833/

Some dude already trying to justify anti semitism:

And like, the article comments about the preemptive defensive position a lot of people have been placed into. Where their guilt is actively assumed unless they demonstrate that they're, essentially, 'one of the good ones' who understands the Palestinian plight. So like, I get how the article wouldn't want to engage in having to make those same arguments to prove its point in the distress that many people have felt from this, whether or not, and even if, they had any actual connection to Israel at all


But it also belies the point, hinted at in choice phrases like the above, that the author doesn't really want to discuss some of the biggest factors of why people are primed to jump on board this stuff, except where they can specifically tie it to people being duped by Hamas. It even blunts their own point about how much weight there has been placed upon people being able to prove their suffering, even while other, incredibly dubious sources are believed without reservation. Again, I get that runs counter to the piece as an attempt to convey a minority's frustrations with people that they thought friends and allies, but it does make it hard to entirely take in good faith. But then, that's maybe the point so... hrm

What a ride in two paragraphs.

I think this is a very good attempt to disentangle the ways in which this is deeply messy. In particular, I don't know how I'm supposed to talk about the fact that currently a state that defines itself by its Jewishness, controlled by Jewish people who make their identity a core part of the ideological thrust of all of their activity, is committing violence and atrocities on a mass scale and just...bracket out that factor? Like, I think Netanyahu is a monster, full stop. There are other historical figures, past and present and from every continent, who I could analogize him to. But any attempt to articulate that some specific Jewish people in power in Israel both have powerful allies in the US government and are currently carrying out what appears to be eliminationist violence is represented and reflected back "So you're saying all Jews are powerful goblins who control the world? Wow very revealing". Its this weird disempowering move where no Jewish people can ever be held account to anything they would do with power because by definition the idea that any Jewish people anywhere are powerful or have influence is antisemitic. What are you supposed to do with that?

I don't know how it plays out in regular online discourse, but there have been concerned raised about, for example, the Anti-Defamation League using accusations of anti-semitism to silence criticisms of Israel's genocidal actions against the Palestinian people. I do think based on that it's fair to say that there's at least some degree of complexity in how the actions of Israel as a state and the safety of Jewish people as a set of ethnic groups are muddled in popular narratives

Weren’t you assholes using the ADL to prove that stuff like Pepe and the OK signs were racist dog whistles? Now you suddenly think that is manipulative.

I was going to say, they were using this stuff to attack people just like months ago. Remember when they were claiming that criticism of billionaire George Soros was anti-semitic? They spent how many years accusing Joanne of being an anti-semite because GOBLINS ARE OBVIOUSLY JEWS and saying that Hogfart's was based on a "Jewish conspiracy theory" somehow.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/openai-unveils-sora-a-shockingly-realistic-video-generator.818091/post-119300100

I care about consent. Unless literally every single video used to train this model had the creators of it personally contact the people whose videos they took to train it to get consent then it is made is created from stolen data.

This is an insane standard. Especially since he goes onto talk about brains and shit, like should I have to get permission to read somebody's book and build my research off of it?

Do you just not care? Can you just STOP infodumping about how it works, gaslighting about whether or not stolen data was involved, and just, express, an opinion, on the consequences?

Completely unhinged behavior.

We should have had laws on the books 3 years ago to avoid the worst, but we don't. 

I really don't think we should be designing laws to make crimes before things even exist. Especially when we want to enforce these crimes before things can come into existence. This is, again, an insane standard for anything but especially lawmaking.