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[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2024-ot-1-doom-eternal.800787/page-155?post=120277278#post-120277278

There's zero room for nuance in left circles when it comes to discussing Israel. As a Liberal who gets shit from my republican family as to how Liberal I am, since October 7th I feel utterly betrayed by the left.

To preface, Israel is 100% guilty of war crimes, and violating the rights of the Palestinian's. For every Hamas member they might kill, more innocents die.

Like Gaza, Israel also gets routinely bombed by Hamas, and if it wasn't for the Iron Dome, the Israeli causality rate would be very high. For fucks sake, Israel gets so many rocket attacks it's become routine for them, they literally have bomb shelters in their playgrounds for kids.

If you bring this up, you get accused by people on the left of "both sidings" the conflict.

Leftie's love having an Americanized view of the conflict calling Israel "white colonizers" and referring to Palestian's as brown, when literally half of Israel are Sefardi/Mizhari Jews. You can literally put a bunch of Israeli's and Palestinian's in the same room without any ethnic clothing, and you couldn't tell them apart (I speak from experience) Both Israeli's and Arabs come in different skin tones, some are white-looking, while some are darker skinned.

If you bring up the fact that Zionism means different things to different people, you get labeled a Zionist like it's some dirty slur. I'm sick of non-Jews telling me that Zionism isn't Judaism, when it in fact is intertwined with the faith. The return to Zion is literally the core belief in Judaism. Most Jews are Zionists to varying degrees, because the term means something specific to each of them.

Even those ultra-orthodox Rabbis who say their anti-zionist (the ones the media love pulling out on TV) believe in the concept of Zionism in their own way, they just believe the modern state of Israel shouldn't exist until the arrival of the Messiah, and anything before that is a sin.

If you bring up the absurd amount of casual and not so casual antimism in liberal circles since October 7th, you get hit with "deh Jews Zionists are just trying to distract with what's happening in Gaza, or it's not that serious."

Criticise the Israeli government all you want. More power to you. Screw Bibi and his right-wing party. That doesn't give people the right to shit on Jews, attack buildings associated with Jews, label everything they don't like as Zionist, and cheer on the destruction of Israel.

This site is hostile to Jews, I told my daughter not to join because of it.

Sometimes I don't understand why I'm still on this website.

Tell your daughter to join r/Jewish.

A lot of people citing that quote out of context and then trying to use it to jump down Nepenthe's throat here.

But I'm not surprised given how many people here are pearl-clutching and deriding as anti-Semitic opposition to an apartheid ethnostate built on the foundation of a still-ongoing eight-decade-long ethnic cleansing campaign and pushed in no small part by anti-Semites who sought its creation in order to more easily expel Jews from Europe.

Don't forgot all the Arab Countries surrounding Israel, which expelled many of its Jews who had nowhere to go but Israel. That's pretty important too. Jewish people in those countries had their own version similar to the Palestinian Nakba, no matter what revisionist history people try to spew.

Nepenthe response isn't surprising at all. Like many people on the left, I'm sure inwardly they were cheering on October 7th as "resistance."

And how is Nep wrong? This is turning into a witch-hunt. They are committing a genocide.

I don't expect you to understand, considering you're the same person who walked into this Alec Baldwin thread calling him "Zionist Scum" (how do you define a Zionist, btw), which had absolutely fuck all to do with anything in the thread. The funniest thing is that the only thing Baldwin has said about the conflict is how he wishes for peace in the region.

My local synagogue was also vandalized with the words "Zionist Scum," and Zionist Pigs, but I'm sure you'll tell me how that wasn't antisemitism.

Edits:
I should also point out that he tagged Nepenthe in the post when he mentioned her.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-hate-how-the-term-zionist-has-become-an-acceptable-slur-especially-on-social-media.816108/