“Every day, I come by your house and I pick you up.

[DavidCroquet]

are you saying that joaquins joker is anything liek ledgers?

I think it's more that DC films were allowed to openly use the "cut face", every other DC batman-verse movie would just use it non-stop and without any good reason.

I liked it in Joker 2 (obviously). It was a effective way to illustrate the point of the final scene, which it was all it needed to be.

The reaction to Joker 2, and best seen in the early discussions, highlights what I imagine was Nolan’s concern.

My theory is people calling Inception smart and too confusing made Nolan think less of audiences. In The Dark Knight Rises, Bruce has a vision of Ra’s Al Ghul ended with a hard cut to waking up. Except at this point Nolan worried audience would think Liam Neeson’s character was alive and literally in the pit. So Ra’s awkwardly fades away, like dragging an alpha slider.

A “Joker” cutting a smile into their face, somehow, has people believing it’s an origin to Ledger’s specific Joker. Even if it doesn’t make sense in any other respect.

All that aside, the weakest part of The Batman’s world has been its Joker, and he’s cut up. Nolan would’ve been at the studio around this time with Tenet. Him being against it full stop doesn’t check out.

This part confused me a lot about the Joker 2 reception...I thought if it was going to be a reference to anything, it would've been Pattinson's The Batman's Joker (cool possessives!). Heath Ledger's joker is a mystery man from nowhere...Keoghan's Joker is already in some kind of asylum/prison with his identity--potentially--already known.

But I also thought it was obvious that it wasn't intended to be taken as any kind of literal canon connection.