Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hollywood-is-already-using-ai-and-hiding-it.1206777/

Me, for literally years: AI is nothing but a cost-cutting measure meant to eliminate humans from the production of art, which not only grossly misrepresents the point of art but is also the ultimate sign of the gross capitalistic commodification of art, and people are buying into this technology because they have weird dream of living in a technological utopia ruled by capitalists and frankly never cared about artists to begin with despite voraciously consuming their work for hours every day.

Pro-AI folks: Nuh-uh! Traditional artists will still have jobs!

Hollywood: We're silently getting rid of everyone we can. :3

You're not artistically talented enough or wise enough to make this assertion about the nature of art.
To someone else, AI fulfills a desire to explore new expressive and creative frontiers in art.  Whose to say you're right and they're wrong.  You're mad because you spent years on a craft and really don't stand out in any way, and it upsets you that AI will make you stand out even less.  Once again, this is a me-me-me morality.

[Boredfrom]

"I had nothing to actually say so I looked up your post history." Loser. We're all fucking randos.

Imagine defending a jerkass bitch by being a jerkass bitch.  

Nepenthe may be a hardcore Trumptard in another life.

[Boredfrom]

Is PRopagandhim your alt, uncle?

[davepoobond]

At least people can finally ignore a mod/admin now

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-is-there-anything-at-all.1205037/page-2

I recently got curious about what was before the Big Bang, and essentially the answer I was able to parse from discussions was that such a question is inherently nonsensical because the framework I'm using to even formulate the question doesn't make sense because "before" is inherently contextual. You can't go "before" time even existed. It's the same as to how you can't go any more "north" than the North Pole; you will eventually reach the topmost point of the Earth and then start heading south again if you continue walking. Perhaps the question to ask then is "What was the cause, if any, of the Big Bang?" And unfortunately, we still don't know. Such a proverbial wall of knowledge, this cutoff point, is a bit frustrating to me, but ultimately it's okay to not have answers to such questions. What matters is that we're all here now.

Its not inherently nonsensical.  And either way, saying it's nonsensical is an ontological claim that requires evidence about the nature of time and causality that you don't have  Many active areas of research in theoretical physics are dedicated to answering this very question.  ita not seen as inherently off-limits to people who study quantum gravity, loop and string theory, general relativity, etc.  What is considered off-limits is a accurately assessing whether or not a 6'5 man has an unfair advantage over a woman in the 200m breaststroke if he discovers her true self right before the exact moment his swim career starts to take off.

[Propagandhim]

Is PRopagandhim your alt, uncle?

I know you hate the AI and art stuff, and I know you did the art school thing, but really - you don't have any more authority over anyone else to say what the nature of art is and what people should be doing with it.

[BIONIC]

You can get as mad as you like that I asked this question, but Nepenthe did say their answer to it was yes.


You can bring up her greater context all your like, but they specifically and directly answered yes, and I entirely disagree with it.

Yes, your self image is your responsibility. Not your fault, but your responsibility. No one but you can change how you feel about yourself for you; that's why it's called self-image. Women aren't responsible for shitty men saying shitty things, but they are responsible for how they handle it, and even then it isn't their fault if they don't handle it well and need help. Y'all continue to take the least charitable version of what Nepenthe could possibly be saying and I can't even call that genuine. Even you right now you couldn't even quote nepenthe's full statement:



You're right though! Somewhere in this statement, Nepenthe did say "yes." Understanding and addressing one's insecurities is your responsibility. This isn't a condemnation. It isn't a judgement if you fail to, or need help learning how. If you take it that way, and are mad at Nepenthe over it, I dunno what to tell you.

But I also don't appreciate that you called out that part of my post while not addressing what I was actually saying- that comparing bald jokes and dick jokes to misogyny is stupid and trivializes the broader problem of how women are systematically treated for their weight. How women have to navigate beauty standards that, again, get them killed by external acts is not the same as a man navigating bald or tiny pp jokes.

And I don't feel you're being genuine when you gloss over that I specifically used the word 'primarily' and bolded it. I simply do not believe a woman's responsibility in that scenario is the one over the man's responsibility for not saying that shit in the first place.

Great post [USER=5429]AmethystArcana[/USER]


What are you even saying? That she's Nepenthe's alt? lol...

Btw, post count shaming is against the rules. 🤷‍♀️ I imagine you wouldn't take it kindly if I tried to dismiss everything you say because you only signed up 2 years ago, meanwhile she was around for nearly 8 years, hmm?

I think this is against the rules too:

Swear to GOD y'all are a bunch of snowflake, pearl-clutching, liberal-brained losers

My main problem with this subject is when people can't do a reality check, there are serious problems with being bald and some men are convinced by our vain society that bodies can be commodities so you need a "desirable" anatomy, and this leads them to completely ignore that real relationships go beyond such concepts and are about connection
That being said, equating these problems with the ones of persecuted minorities is not only misguided it's also ignorant and plainly wrong, there haven't been genocides carried out against bald men, they aren't set on fire or sexually violated for being like that, you won't see a bald man being terrorized and eventually killed with his home burned to the ground solely because he is bald.
If one wants to talk about their issues that's fine, but look at the world and see that on the long scheme of things that is very and I mean very minor compared to actual pains, using those as a way to score points on the internet is nothing short of gross, it's engaging in using these groups as a stepping stone, no different than colonizers and monsters of the past.

I didn't post count shame at all, I pointed at the content and the timing.

I see some people went and locked their real fast.

You know, what, fine. I'm willing to say some of my responses to Nepenthe in the original thread were hyperbolic. The topic got me angrier than it should have and I reacted stronger than I should have and took some of what they said in a worse way than they probably meant it, and as a result, some of what I said to and about them was rude and wrong.

You brought up that I barely post, called me a rando, and told me to go back to my "cave." You accused me of "fluffing the mods" when I routinely criticize this site's General Manager himself and did in my opening post. Just stand ten toes down on it, man.

My profile is still public. You can double check your diversional accusations if you'd like.

I'm kind of shocked that we're allowing name-calling when I've seen that actioned so many times already as antagonizing, like this entire conversation is a good example of inconsistency with moderation.

why would any one on reset era have issues with its general manager

*stares at camera*

Liberal-brained loser now added to the lexicon of allowed phrases I suppose.

I think people need to calm down a bit.

When people say lines with stuff like that, it just makes me tune them out faster.

So yea, I agree.

I know being an abrasive asshole is the whole point of those posts, but the bandwagon of +1 agrees for these posts is exactly why admins should probably be held to a higher standard. Once you set up the kind of atmosphere where attacking people because they're "on the wrong side" is okay, you're compromising the forum experience for everyone who isn't part of that admin's in-group

I don't think coming in here and ranting about how everyone is a "snowflake, pearl-clutching, liberal-brained loser" is a good way to open your post. Anyone who can unironically say that about this sort of situation needs to work a bit better on their empathy. Or at least work better on not sounding like a 4channer. I agree that comparisons were being made in that thread which were inappropriate. Small penis jokes are not on the same level as homophobia or racism. But I cannot stand it when people use a small handful of folk who go too far with something to invalidate the entire discussion and that's absolutely what is happening here too. Yeah, there are way worse things than body shaming. But that doesn't invalidate the harm of body shaming. The comparison doesn't need to be made, from either side.

Body shaming sucks. People should not be allowed to ignore the damage that body shaming does because they really wanna body shame people they dislike. There are ways to criticize shitty people without also hurting innocents. And yes, not everyone has the same threshold for this stuff. Plenty of people don't mind body shaming jokes and consider it light ribbing. But when a significant number of people go "actually, this really sucks, here's why", that doesn't make them a "snowflake" and it doesn't mean that just because YOUR tolerance is higher that you should be able to ignore theirs.

The entire mentality of "well it doesn't bother ME" fucking sucks. If someone is saying that something hurts them and is explaining why it's not so simple as you claim, listen. People have a right to be heard and this forum has a really bad body shaming problem. I do not think "toughen up"/"thicker skin" narratives should be permissible here. Please note that this isn't me demanding Nep apologize or anything, everyone is only human and everyone has a bad take sometimes, and they've gotten enough shit for their posts as it is. But I do not want to be on a version of Era where Body Shaming is officially sanctioned.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-is-there-anything-at-all.1205037/page-2

I recently got curious about what was before the Big Bang, and essentially the answer I was able to parse from discussions was that such a question is inherently nonsensical because the framework I'm using to even formulate the question doesn't make sense because "before" is inherently contextual. You can't go "before" time even existed. It's the same as to how you can't go any more "north" than the North Pole; you will eventually reach the topmost point of the Earth and then start heading south again if you continue walking. Perhaps the question to ask then is "What was the cause, if any, of the Big Bang?" And unfortunately, we still don't know. Such a proverbial wall of knowledge, this cutoff point, is a bit frustrating to me, but ultimately it's okay to not have answers to such questions. What matters is that we're all here now.

It's not nonsensical, it's presuppositional. It presupposes there was a before.

Actually your "what was the cause" question is the same exact one. The idea of a cause, and that we can know it, presupposes there was a before and that we can know it. A cause actually presupposes linear time even though you're trying to evaluate something that pre-exists time.

The reason to ask what came before or what caused it is an attempt to give meaning to existence. Maybe the Big Bang was just the end of the Third World and beginning of the Fourth. It's ironic that all your knowledge of non-white Indigenous beliefs didn't turn up how most everyone before a certain point in human history believed that time was cyclical and you didn't assume this into your theory rather than leaning so heavily on white ways of knowing that helped cause colonialism.

[Propagandhim]

You cut the theoretical costs because the AI has already generated a bunch of concepts in a much faster time than can be done by hand. Having a human come in to fix the AI's shittiness for less time on the clock or less pay overall is a stepping stone towards the goal of just getting rid of humans altogether.

I'm getting to the point of concluding that studio work is kind of fucked eventually unless you are a long-standing industry figure like James Baxter. I also don't trust the general public to really give a shit about the art community and process of creation if the end result is "good enough." If the prompt bros want to continue playing like artists while basically training themselves into irrelevance, so be it. It's up to us to basically forge new types and methods of community and creation. Your art dreams aren't dead unless you specifically wanted to work at a big studio. But if you want to create your art and make a living off of it, I've found that while society may hate artists, they still love fucking consuming art, and the people who do actually value us for our skill will pay top dollar for what we can do in a freelance or tradesperson fashion. Don't give up. Get even.

And btw, she's completely contradicting herself, as usual.
First, she argues that capitalism is eroding opportunities for artists, pushing humans out of the creative process until they're irrelevant. The idea is that AI makes art quality solely about compute power, so an artist's individual talent matters less and less until the capitalism determines that the corporation has no need for humans in the process. This implies that companies' traditional 'moat' of human talent shifts to a technological 'moat' where whoever has the most compute wins. Naturally, corporations, with their deep pockets, could then outspend individual artists on compute, supposedly guaranteeing 'better' art and dominating the market because human talent is no longer the differentiator.  Capitalismo 101.

But it makes no sense because she also says people are content to just consume 'what's good enough.'
So, if AI tools become universally accessible (which they are), and compute gets cheaper (which it will), why wouldn't individuals be able to produce this 'good enough' art? What would then be the competitive advantage?  Why would corporations suddenly be able to eliminate human artists if those same artists can meet the 'good enough' threshold using the same tools, likely at a lower personal cost? Is she suggesting humans can't create 'good enough' art to compete, even with these advanced tools? Why can humans create 'good enough' art now, but somehow won't be able to in the future when the tools are even better and cheaper? To believe that, you'd have to argue the standard for 'good enough' constantly degrades, which is nonsense because we still revere old art and artists.
The fact is, the human aspect will never be taken out of art as long as art is meant to resonate with humans. The quality of art isn't just raw AI compute - everyone knows that's nonsense. And ironically, if capitalism itself makes these powerful 'good enough' AI tools accessible to everyone, it actually undermines any supposed corporate advantage based purely on outspending on compute. There'd be no overwhelming edge for corporations to completely eliminate the human artist if 'good enough' is widely achievable.

[benji]

That being said, equating these problems with the ones of persecuted minorities is not only misguided it's also ignorant and plainly wrong, there haven't been genocides carried out against bald men, they aren't set on fire or sexually violated for being like that, you won't see a bald man being terrorized and eventually killed with his home burned to the ground solely because he is bald.

If one wants to talk about their issues that's fine, but look at the world and see that on the long scheme of things that is very and I mean very minor compared to actual pains, using those as a way to score points on the internet is nothing short of gross, it's engaging in using these groups as a stepping stone, no different than colonizers and monsters of the past.

[BIONIC]

I'm kind of shocked that we're allowing name-calling when I've seen that actioned so many times already as antagonizing, like this entire conversation is a good example of inconsistency with moderation.

I said what I said with the full awareness that I could and likely would be actioned for it. And I'm saying right now that y'all are whole adults that will gasp at the most timid name-calling that isn't directed at any one individual person but turn a blind eye to any other form of targeted antagonism as long as it's offered politely. Misrepresenting and trivializing someone's words then running here to demand action against them because you didn't agree with them is wildly antagonizing.

And I said what I said with the full awareness that a bunch of people would focus on that instead of the broader discussion, to point out how silly this all is. We can't make fun of people's bodies! Under any circumstances! But also, we can't make fun of anything else!! Under any circumstances! Being offended by a general broadcast calling out "snowflake, pearl-clutching, liberal-brained losers," is more important than actual discussion. And despite me posting over 2000 words of genuine discussion, users here still expectedly hone in on only the first, what? 10 words because they were mean. "It makes me tune them out faster" oh, I'm sure. Emotions routinely get in the way of a broader and fairer understanding here, it seems.

At the very least [USER=69945]Ashes of Dreams[/USER] could criticize my opener and also address the rest. Ish. Like, what would y'all actually have to say about my post if I hadn't opened the way I had? Would you have anything to say at all? Would you have focused on my post history like [USER=145429]Elf Needs Food Bad[/USER] ? Or was my meanness an easy out to not address the points I'm making and continue with the same mentality y'all have been politely exhibiting no matter who was being hurt? Will y'all address this post or any of my other ones since I'm not name-calling anymore?

*quotes Ashes’ post*

I don't need to work on my empathy. Many people here need to work on their reading comprehension and emotional control when facing opinions they don't agree with. I don't extend empathy to people who have already shown they're not interested in extending that empathy to others.



So am I allowed to make fun of some asshole's broke down beater or do I have to consider the feelings of everyone who has an old, rusty car? Can I call out a racist white supremacist's missing jawline or do I have to just let it go because other people are self conscious about their faces? Trump said he couldn't have raped a woman because she was ugly; is calling out the myriad ways in which he isn't attractive either now banned because someone else might apply that directed comment to themselves? If I mock Musk for being on the way to likely dying alone and unloved, do I also have to answer for "innocent" people who are lonely? Everyone is self conscious about something and just because we can change some things and not others doesn't make one hit worse than the rest. And it doesn't mean we can't poke at those insecurities if it means we'd inadvertently catch someone else.



What is a significant number of people? What if there were more people than that arbitrary number who don't care about dick and bald jokes? Who was I actually calling a snowflake and for what reason? Hint here: I wasn't talking about people self conscious about their dicks or scalps or any other parts of their bodies. Y'all have been "clutching your pearls" over my six word drag but not digesting the entire paragraph it was apart of that explained what I was referring to, because, again, emotions get in the way of everything else.



That's great, because besides what everyone else fabricated, no one was actually promoting "toughening up" or "having thicker skin." I would encourage you to read what Nepenthe actually said instead of making a post based off what everyone else decided to hear. Especially when this exact kind of lack of consideration is fueling calls for completely undeserved repercussions.

And also, no one was arguing for permitting dick and bald jokes. That was a dramatic "so you hate waffles?" add somewhere in the middle of the conversation specifically because a member of moderation had the gal to say those jokes aren't the same and shouldn't be compared to actual oppression and didn't have the same systemic impact as other instances of body shaming. Which they don't. But look how other posters have been acting here and in the original thread.

Get a grip

You first. Use your words and come back with something meaningful next time you reply to me or go back to preschool and learn how.

"Go back to preschool" says the one with "loser" on her mouth every other post.

I can’t believe it, fellxs, but there actually on this planet exist a bigger cunt than nepnep

[benji]

That's great, because besides what everyone else fabricated, no one was actually promoting "toughening up" or "having thicker skin." I would encourage you to read what Nepenthe actually said instead of making a post based off what everyone else decided to hear. Especially when this exact kind of lack of consideration is fueling calls for completely undeserved repercussions.

Since when does what was actually said matter before repercussions?

[Propagandhim]

So am I allowed to make fun of some asshole's broke down beater or do I have to consider the feelings of everyone who has an old, rusty car? Can I call out a racist white supremacist's missing jawline or do I have to just let it go because other people are self conscious about their faces? Trump said he couldn't have raped a woman because she was ugly; is calling out the myriad ways in which he isn't attractive either now banned because someone else might apply that directed comment to themselves? If I mock Musk for being on the way to likely dying alone and unloved, do I also have to answer for "innocent" people who are lonely? Everyone is self conscious about something and just because we can change some things and not others doesn't make one hit worse than the rest. And it doesn't mean we can't poke at those insecurities if it means we'd inadvertently catch someone else.

You're on a forum where people get permanently banned for saying "I don't like rap music" or "China has a reputation for making cheap products" or "I don't think Nintendo is mocking the civil rights era with this picture of a fire hydrant in smash bros" or "it's just a dance in Fortnite"...and the list goes on.  Now you're complaining about what you can't say?    Someone apprise this salty bitch of some low-cost therapy options.

[BIONIC]

This is kind of embarrassing

Some of y'all are being losers. No better way to say that. I then explained why I picked those words specifically. Like an adult. Meanwhile you can't rub those last two neurons together long enough to comment on the actual topic of this thread or what within that entire post you quoted I was supposed to get a grip on and why. Two whole sentences in this thread and they're about my tone lmao. Have a wonderful evening, bud.

Yes, we all know name calling is the best way to get your point across, as you've proven post after post.

(And it's morning over here, but thanks anyway for the sentiment)

Yes, I realize that I'm an adult, thanks for pointing that out. And, I will continue to call out antagonizing nonsense when I see it, including the pointless, inflammatory language of "snowflake-clutching, liberal-brained losers" because again, it damages your entire argument. There's no point in having a broader discussion with you when everything you're saying comes with a thin coating of antagonistic venom.

No point at all. If me tuning out your immature way of dealing with opinions that don't mesh with you rubs you the wrong way, then that says more about you than myself. I just came back from the hospital after my mom went into severe decline, so by all means, say whatever shit that you want, you can't possibly hurt me more than I already am.

Have a great night.

——

Just want to say this is an incredible post and you've confronted the issue better than I could have. Thank you.

They're not going to invite you to the discord, mate.

[benji]

Spoiler: girl shit (click to show)(click to hide)

[BIONIC]

Yes, I realize that I'm an adult, thanks for pointing that out. And, I will continue to call out antagonizing nonsense when I see it, including the pointless, inflammatory language of "snowflake-clutching, liberal-brained losers" because again, it damages your entire argument. There's no point in having a broader discussion with you when everything you're saying comes with a thin coating of antagonistic venom.

No point at all. If me tuning out your immature way of dealing with opinions that don't mesh with you rubs you the wrong way, then that says more about you than myself. I just came back from the hospital after my mom went into severe decline, so by all means, say whatever shit that you want, you can't possibly hurt me more than I already am.

Have a great night.

I too would be mad if someone tried to compare their struggle of being bald to being black/a woman. That would make me incredibly mad actually. Unsurprising that i logon to this website and see white people want a black woman to placate their anger cause it makes them uncomfortable. Crazy how much that happens in real life and online. The rules lawyering to browbeat legitimate anger is also par for the course.

I don't know how me addressing what you called out turns into me readying to hurt you personally, but fine. Sorry about your mom; it's crippling watching a parent decline and I hope you're taking care of yourself outside of internet arguments.

[Taco Bell Tower]

I'm kind of shocked that we're allowing name-calling when I've seen that actioned so many times already as antagonizing, like this entire conversation is a good example of inconsistency with moderation.

I said what I said with the full awareness that I could and likely would be actioned for it. And I'm saying right now that y'all are whole adults that will gasp at the most timid name-calling that isn't directed at any one individual person but turn a blind eye to any other form of targeted antagonism as long as it's offered politely. Misrepresenting and trivializing someone's words then running here to demand action against them because you didn't agree with them is wildly antagonizing.

And I said what I said with the full awareness that a bunch of people would focus on that instead of the broader discussion, to point out how silly this all is. We can't make fun of people's bodies! Under any circumstances! But also, we can't make fun of anything else!! Under any circumstances! Being offended by a general broadcast calling out "snowflake, pearl-clutching, liberal-brained losers," is more important than actual discussion. And despite me posting over 2000 words of genuine discussion, users here still expectedly hone in on only the first, what? 10 words because they were mean. "It makes me tune them out faster" oh, I'm sure. Emotions routinely get in the way of a broader and fairer understanding here, it seems.

At the very least [USER=69945]Ashes of Dreams[/USER] could criticize my opener and also address the rest. Ish. Like, what would y'all actually have to say about my post if I hadn't opened the way I had? Would you have anything to say at all? Would you have focused on my post history like [USER=145429]Elf Needs Food Bad[/USER] ? Or was my meanness an easy out to not address the points I'm making and continue with the same mentality y'all have been politely exhibiting no matter who was being hurt? Will y'all address this post or any of my other ones since I'm not name-calling anymore?

*quotes Ashes’ post*

I don't need to work on my empathy. Many people here need to work on their reading comprehension and emotional control when facing opinions they don't agree with. I don't extend empathy to people who have already shown they're not interested in extending that empathy to others.



So am I allowed to make fun of some asshole's broke down beater or do I have to consider the feelings of everyone who has an old, rusty car? Can I call out a racist white supremacist's missing jawline or do I have to just let it go because other people are self conscious about their faces? Trump said he couldn't have raped a woman because she was ugly; is calling out the myriad ways in which he isn't attractive either now banned because someone else might apply that directed comment to themselves? If I mock Musk for being on the way to likely dying alone and unloved, do I also have to answer for "innocent" people who are lonely? Everyone is self conscious about something and just because we can change some things and not others doesn't make one hit worse than the rest. And it doesn't mean we can't poke at those insecurities if it means we'd inadvertently catch someone else.



What is a significant number of people? What if there were more people than that arbitrary number who don't care about dick and bald jokes? Who was I actually calling a snowflake and for what reason? Hint here: I wasn't talking about people self conscious about their dicks or scalps or any other parts of their bodies. Y'all have been "clutching your pearls" over my six word drag but not digesting the entire paragraph it was apart of that explained what I was referring to, because, again, emotions get in the way of everything else.



That's great, because besides what everyone else fabricated, no one was actually promoting "toughening up" or "having thicker skin." I would encourage you to read what Nepenthe actually said instead of making a post based off what everyone else decided to hear. Especially when this exact kind of lack of consideration is fueling calls for completely undeserved repercussions.

And also, no one was arguing for permitting dick and bald jokes. That was a dramatic "so you hate waffles?" add somewhere in the middle of the conversation specifically because a member of moderation had the gal to say those jokes aren't the same and shouldn't be compared to actual oppression and didn't have the same systemic impact as other instances of body shaming. Which they don't. But look how other posters have been acting here and in the original thread.

Get a grip

You first. Use your words and come back with something meaningful next time you reply to me or go back to preschool and learn how.

"Go back to preschool" says the one with "loser" on her mouth every other post.

I can’t believe it, fellxs, but there actually on this planet exist a bigger cunt than nepnep

Impossible because no one can be a bigger cunt than NepNep than NepNep herself.  AmethystArcana is definitely NepNep's alt, even has the nearly identical post style 

[NekoFever]

y’all y’all y’all y’all y’all y’all

[benji]

I think this will all be cleared up when Nepenthe finishes rewriting the rules. And if it's not, well, there are low cost options available for therapy.

[BIONIC]

I don't know how me addressing what you called out turns into me readying to hurt you personally, but fine. Sorry about your mom; it's crippling watching a parent decline and I hope you're taking care of yourself outside of internet arguments.

I don't know how me addressing what you called out turns into me readying to hurt you personally, but fine. Genuinely sorry about your mom; it's crippling watching a parent decline and I hope you're taking care of yourself outside of internet arguments.

Edited in “genuinely” in attempt to hide the obvious backhanded snark

[BIONIC]

This is embarrassing on multiple levels.

[USER=5429]AmethystArcana[/USER] is making a lot of great points I couldn't really articulate earlier - people are clearly leaning into the baldness thread as a way of settling old scores, tying up other grievances, and generally blowing up the incident. Which I don't think is fair on Nepenthe tbh, they're always offering an interesting perspective, even if I'm often not on board with it.

However, Amethyst, I think you're falling into the same trap of being abrasive to other users in that criticism, which is what the whole debate is about, what's the line between insulting and debating. Like I get _why_ you feel like other posters are losers in this situation, but that still doesn't make it constructive to say, even if you're 100% confident you're right. It wouldn't be right for anyone to say you're the "mod defense force" or acting in bad faith either. Like if we want to have good quality discussion here, we need to construct our posts in a way that, interpersonally, we have a baseline of respect and politeness for eachother.

But those things are subjective. With that in mind, I think the threads helping me understand more that people either want consistent moderation so folks attitudes towards eachother, or the ability to block anyone so if they feel people step over their personal line, they don't have to engage. We could talk endlessly about a need for both the reader of a post to engage in good faith as much as someone drafting, and they should, but I guess the posting itself is the most actionable part of the process.

The fact we're dwelling on that thread so hard shows the community isn't really in a healthy place. I think it'd be helpful if mods have a discussion offline, and come back here with a group position of "hey, nothings changing" or "here's what we're doing with feedback". We need to put a like under it because the bandwidth this thread is spending on this is getting absurd.

[Chumbawumbafan69]

I too would be mad if someone tried to compare their struggle of being bald to being black/a woman. That would make me incredibly mad actually. Unsurprising that i logon to this website and see white people want a black woman to placate their anger cause it makes them uncomfortable. Crazy how much that happens in real life and online. The rules lawyering to browbeat legitimate anger is also par for the course.

Was anyone actually comparing the plight of the small dicked to black women?

[benji]

The fact we're dwelling on that thread so hard shows the community isn't really in a healthy place. I think it'd be helpful if mods have a discussion offline, and come back here with a group position of "hey, nothings changing" or "here's what we're doing with feedback". We need to put a like under it because the bandwidth this thread is spending on this is getting absurd.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

I too would be mad if someone tried to compare their struggle of being bald to being black/a woman. That would make me incredibly mad actually. Unsurprising that i logon to this website and see white people want a black woman to placate their anger cause it makes them uncomfortable. Crazy how much that happens in real life and online. The rules lawyering to browbeat legitimate anger is also par for the course.

Was anyone actually comparing the plight of the small dicked to black women?

No.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

If everyone on Era was allowed to talk like AmethystArcana is in that thread era would be a way more fun place.

Less moderation, more insults. B-dubs, mod them!

[Hap Shaughnessy]

How long until Shreds moves in with Fat4all?

[benji]

I can't believe this is happening to a non-binary woman of color during pride month of all months.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jussie-smollett-breaks-his-silence-after-vicious-attack-im-ok.97099/page-10#post-17936278

I love how all the "see told you so!" posters have either disappeared back into the woodworks or are toning down their celebration.

Crow pie will be eaten by someone one way or another. Doesn't mean y'all have to show up drooling.

I'm pretty sure it's because a mod came in here and essentially threatened anyone who claim it's a hoax will be banned. Not sure if the news now changes that but I doubt it will.

No, the mod post was before everyone showed up to stroke their internet-detective dicks because some media sites were reporting in their favor. The mod post being quoted is being quoted because those same people are demanding internet justice because of those unconfirmed reports. And those same people have shut the fuck up because more-legitimate reports are refuting theirs.

[benji]

Thanks to that thread you can see their old username (jjreamPop), so enjoy some of their video games: https://jammethyst.itch.io/

edit: Yep, it's Nepenthe's real life friend:
https://www.furaffinity.net/user/jjreaming
https://fursuitreview.com/m/jjreambig/
https://www.deviantart.com/jjreaming
https://www.tumblr.com/jjreaming
here's where she's posting on Nepenthe's old Sonic forum in their furry thread: https://www.sonicstadium.org/forums/topic/18797-general-furry-fandom-thread/?do=findComment&comment=911545

Here's the two of them:

[Besticus Maximus]

I've read a lot of Nepenthe bullshit over the years, and i'm telling you, that is just straight up Nepenthe

It's Jamethyst because that's the account they use for game jams