Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Ethan]

I know I'm just a shitlib who deserves the wall, but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills whenever Hasan and AOC are described as the most influential political commentator and the most gifted politician of their generation.

American leftists are not serious people.

[Let's Cyber]

Counterpoint:

“Both on the left and the right—due to Red Scare propaganda, due to a lack of education around what it means to be a socialist or Marxist principles in general—people have this false understanding of what socialism is and what socialism isn’t,” says Piker. “Socialism has never been and will never be a poverty cult. That’s not what it is. As a matter of fact, it’s the exact opposite. It’s about uplifting others. It’s about earning your keep. I say this regularly from [popular video game] BioShock: ‘Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?’ It’s delivered by a supposed libertarian [character], but that is actually a socialist principle…. It’s wage laborers abolishing the profit motive and getting back more of the profits that they generate for their bosses. That’s the fucking point.”

"Hasan could be my Big Daddy!" - Resetera, probably.

They, and he, rush to claim this is just humor you don't get when he's clearly earnest and his sole principle is that people he doesn't like should receive violence and people he likes should receive the proceeds of their victims labor.

This is what gets me is Hasan has (carefully) advocated for using a lot of the same levers Trump abused or created, which Era would claim are evil, but simply use them on different targets so now they are suddenly good? Instead of ICE rounding up immigrants in cages, it'd be conservatives and wealthy people, I guess? But I'm sure "eat the rich" is just in jest. I thought we didn't like internment camps, but apparently it just depends on the mark. 

Unless you're a "baby settler", which according to Hasan are valid military targets, in which case we skip the cages and it's open season. 

[kaleidoscopium]

My god I'm so fucking tired of hearing of this one guy. What a shitty, worthless movement we have if one stupid streamer is all we've got. Christ.

He isn't stupid. He is more politically educated than 99% of us on this forum.

We really need to stop with this "stupid streamer" nonsense as a way of writing off a legitimate and important voice.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-is-the-democrats%E2%80%99-new-man-on-the-trail-whether-they-like-it-or-not.1517113/page-5#post-154870738

Zeo's right and that isn't a compliment

[benji]

I know I'm just a shitlib who deserves the wall, but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills whenever Hasan and AOC are described as the most influential political commentator and the most gifted politician of their generation.

American leftists are not serious people.

It's because they're cool. Take just moron streamers of whom my knowledge is limited, Destiny is obviously smarter than Hasan and Vaush seems better informed (he'll read an entire paragraph) but neither is nowhere as cool as Hasan even if their sexual interests weren't public information. And by even talking about streamers we're already scraping the dregs of humanity.

AOC is similar, she's clearly a moron who hasn't accomplished anything but media attention, but for a politician (see above comment about streamers) she's pretty cool I guess. Most people still think of her as just a bartender fighting the man, they have no clue she went to an upscale university and interned in Congress/politics. Making her no different than a lot of K Street Republicans.

If you desperately want to be part of the cool kids on your vicarious narcissistic uncompromising march to total and unchecked political power, your options are really limited. Media people especially would think these people are cool because media people are rarely cool to outsiders yet seem endlessly status obsessed. DC is especially like this, Veep isn't fictional.

[Snoopy]

Ted and Jeff arguing about some Twitch streamer instead of posting fantasy anecdotes

[Boredfrom]

At one point someone at these corporate owned news channels has to break and report on this. I don't understand how he keeps ramping up the racism and destroying the world's economy, and risking people's livelihood, while the media seems to ignore it

 

Do you watch the news at all? 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-shares-scripted-slop-video-showing-a-black-doordasher-stealing-fried-chicken.1517530/#post-154879081

[benji]

Do you watch the news at all? 

No, of course not, they'd never watch that right-wing corporate propaganda. But they know they wouldn't cover it and somebody else somewhere said they weren't and that's pretty much confirmation that it's true. The fact that you're questioning this shows you need to get out of your corporate bubble.

[HaughtyFrank]

Zeo really out there going "he isn't stupid, you're stupid" 

[Let's Cyber]

Heartwarming: The Worst People You Know Are Fighting. 



https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-is-the-democrats%E2%80%99-new-man-on-the-trail-whether-they-like-it-or-not.1517113/page-6#post-154871596

When you're a Mao fan and fan of the USRR like he is. I'm sorry but your opinion is worthless. What's next? Stalin and Lenin are great people?

 

He's a fan of socialism. You think he likes the repression and authoritarianism related to Mao and the USSR?

FUCK YES HE DOES!

He soyed out after getting a Mao's "Little Red Book" on his propaganda trip to China. 

He can speak eloquently on many topics, but he comes across as genuine.

Bro these people live in a different reality. I can't. Hasan is so inarticulate it's difficult to make it through more than a few minutes of his content, even when hate-watching his dogshit.

[benji]

He's a fan of socialism. You think he likes the repression and authoritarianism related to Mao and the USSR?

It's the same thing, or are you saying it's a LARP when he points to Marx, Lenin, Mao as the basis for his socialism? 

Like I think democratic socialism is two contradictory terms. I don't think democracy is remotely possible under socialism or else you have to give up the socialism. I know lots of people disagree with this and get there by redefining socialism to be capitalism with a welfare state. But Hasan explicitly claims to be Marxist and postures reading Lenin and Mao while claiming China is the model he wants everyone to follow. So either Hasan's fans have to accept China isn't socialist anymore and China lies about this so that Hasan is promoting a fascist, or at minimum an authoritarian capitalist, solution despite claiming to be a socialist or his fans need to accept the CCP legacy he also promotes which murdered tens of millions and enforced suffering on the rest of the Chinese people trying to do "socialism" (or just for Mao's amusement) and continues to deny democracy to them.

Also, the repression and authoritarianism of the USSR was explicitly what the Bolsheviks argued was to be done. And no, I will not give you Trotsky who until he was purged was even more repressive than Lenin and more bloodthirsty than Stalin.

[Boredfrom]

I cannot express enough at how deeply embarrassing and frustrating it is to know that these chuds are a part of the audience of games.

You don’t know how embarrassing is having a dude with a Killmonger avatar trying to lecture a hobbyist culture because he thinks only crazies latch on popular media and keeps bitching about a corpo term after 10 years of nobody giving a fuck.

That's one of the saddest parts. A lot of them aren't!


Damn outrage tourists.

Most guys are not literally frothing racists, homophobes or misogynists. But the underlying ideas are a lot more common than one might think. A lot of these more extreme ideas actually do start to make their way into the general gaming culture and discourse, often by shifting the overall tenor of what type of discussion and ideas are acceptable to voice.

I have seen so many guys spout more tame opinions about "feminist" stuff in games, make jokes and comments about representation, drop subtle racist dog whistles and memes, or generally act dismissively towards games that feature minority groups a bit more prominently. All you have to do is look anywhere on social media, Reddit, YouTube comments, Twitch chat etc. and you'll see it everywhere even in relatively non-political, moderate gaming spaces. These are not fringe attitudes, they're mainstream.

It happens all the time on this forum as well, and often goes overlooked. It's always the more moderate or progressive men's complicity and tolerance of these types of jokes, comments and ideas that allows them to take hold and stay normalized. The same guys who in one moment mock how much of a total loser someone like The Quartering or Asmongold is, will often turn around and chuckle at the more toned down and tame versions of those ideas. Because they're just jokes, right?

I thought you avoided most negative places on the internet. 

Now you are saying that you got triggered by tame jokes.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamergate-2-0-chuds-furious-about-a-consulting-company-named-“sweet-baby-inc”-which-overviews-scripts-to-make-sure-nothing-offensive-was-written.823731/page-201#post-154879078

[benji]

"We should do socialism."

"Oh, like the USSR and CCP?"

"No, obviously not like that."

"Oh, so how every major socialist/Marxist said it should be done, through repression and mass murder?"

"No, obviously not like that."

"...so everyone should just do whatever they want and earn whatever they think they deserve?"

"Yes, exactly! Now you get it!"

[Ethan]

They think democratic socialism can exist because they believe the people, if they were not brainwashed by the capitalist bourgeoisie, would obviously vote for this option without a second thought. (Hey, it's the name of the show!)

In reality, we'd just swing from socialism to capitalism every four years (eight at best), because people are reactionary in nature when it comes to politics, no matter how good things are. They would be even more so with the limits on personal rights that "real socialism" would entail.

[Boredfrom]

Does coffeecat thinks is still 2015? Most progressive culture warriors will say it’s already over for gaming as those CHUD ideas are already there.

Or he is accepting that people like Grummz are outliers and the tame version of CHUD ideas are just reduced to the realm of jokes, where can be used either evidence of chuddery or excusing past behavior as “sarcasm”.

[benji]

The same guys who in one moment mock how much of a total loser someone like The Quartering or Asmongold is, will often turn around and chuckle at the more toned down and tame versions of those ideas. Because they're just jokes, right?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamergate-2-0-chuds-furious-about-a-consulting-company-named-“sweet-baby-inc”-which-overviews-scripts-to-make-sure-nothing-offensive-was-written.823731/page-201#post-154879078

But this is two different things? The Quartering and Asmongold are mocked for their lives and personalities, they can be total losers and still sometime be partly right about something. They can even be more right about something than someone who is totally awesome and the ultimate winner like Jeff Gerstmann. There's no contradiction unless you're presenting a false choice that requires you to accept everything or nothing about everyone. (Something impossible, which is why you're constantly finding all your heroes are milkshake ducks.)

Most guys are not literally frothing racists, homophobes or misogynists. But the underlying ideas are a lot more common than one might think. A lot of these more extreme ideas actually do start to make their way into the general gaming culture and discourse, often by shifting the overall tenor of what type of discussion and ideas are acceptable to voice.

I have seen so many guys spout more tame opinions about "feminist" stuff in games, make jokes and comments about representation, drop subtle racist dog whistles and memes, or generally act dismissively towards games that feature minority groups a bit more prominently. All you have to do is look anywhere on social media, Reddit, YouTube comments, Twitch chat etc. and you'll see it everywhere even in relatively non-political, moderate gaming spaces. These are not fringe attitudes, they're mainstream.

It happens all the time on this forum as well, and often goes overlooked. It's always the more moderate or progressive men's complicity and tolerance of these types of jokes, comments and ideas that allows them to take hold and stay normalized.

This is also presenting a false choice like the above. It's assuming that anything claimed to be the progressive position MUST therefore be adopted no matter what its merits. That any kind of representation should be off-limits to criticism, but that's absurd. We can easily come up with examples of absurd ideas for representation. What if I told you that all American made games must no more than 10% Black and 90+% heterosexual so as to match American demographics and European/Canadian made games should have basically no Black people at all. You'd disagree, and now look at you, giving cover and normalizing the more extreme white supremacist views against representation. Repeat for the other topics. And also I dismiss your criticism because I don't listen to Nazis.

[Boredfrom]

They think democratic socialism can exist because they believe the people, if they were not brainwashed by the capitalist bourgeoisie, would obviously vote for this option without a second thought. (Hey, it's the name of the show!)

In reality, we'd just swing from socialism to capitalism every four years (eight at best), because people are reactionary in nature when it comes to politics, no matter how good things are. They would be even more so with the limits on personal rights that "real socialism" would entail.

They themselves are not willing to renounce those personal rights, ERA zigzags about having China like system of internet monitoring to “teenagers should be allowed to use social media.”

[BananaBlast]

[VGC] Tekken boss Katsuhiro Harada has joined SNK

In an announcement published on Tuesday, Harada confirmed the formation of 'SNK VS Studio' in Shinagawa, Tokyo, where he will act as CEO.

According to Harada, the 'VS' in VS Studio's name holds various meanings, including "Video game Soft (VS Development Division)," and "the spirit of 'Versus' challenging tradition".

That sweet sweet blood money

Yuck

Ewwww

Dirty money too enticing.

Hope you fail, Harada!

Bingo. If shit goes south we know it's on Harada

I guess everyone does have a price.

Maybe we won't get someone accused of SA as a guest character!

But given who owns SNK, I'm doubtful.

Is he gonna openly mock the people rightfully calling him out for being in bed with the Saudis?

Couldn't resist that Saudi money I see.

Heel turn of the decade

Gross

Disgusting. But I guess blood money talks.

Gross as fuck.

fuck this dude.

Dude could've ended his career on a stellar note, even if Tekken 8 is a bit controversial.

Instead he joins SNK to probably make a shitty game and then shut its doors.

Real mashima move.

Enjoy babysitting royalty. Already pander to it so it should be a nice side course for Harada to munch on while he shits his Depends.

damn what a pathetic loser he turned out to be

Wow, for a brief eclipse, I forgot just how negative Era would be. 

[Boredfrom]

Weren’t most of them hyping EVO Japan and promoting “the match of the century”?

[benji]

They think democratic socialism can exist because they believe the people, if they were not brainwashed by the capitalist bourgeoisie, would obviously vote for this option without a second thought. (Hey, it's the name of the show!)

In reality, we'd just swing from socialism to capitalism every four years (eight at best), because people are reactionary in nature when it comes to politics, no matter how good things are. They would be even more so with the limits on personal rights that "real socialism" would entail.

They themselves are not willing to renounce those personal rights, ERA zigzags about having China like system of internet monitoring to “teenagers should be allowed to use social media.”

In that Obama thread they were bitching about Obama not doing more things to eliminate checks and balances and violate rights that they have countless threads bitching about Trump doing.

I posted the other week about how their demands that the filibuster be abolished (which Democrats opposed which is why they didn't do it) is literally what Trump and MAGA are spending every other day whining about currently because it's thwarting them passing whatever they want about ICE.

They have zero pattern recognition or long-term conceptual ability and think that these minor fixes will maintain them perpetually in power rather than just raising the stakes the next time a Trump comes along. They never truly believed "democracy is on the line" in the last election but they want to create a situation where it might legitimately be with every election.

[benji]

They have zero pattern recognition or long-term conceptual ability and think that these minor fixes will maintain them perpetually in power rather than just raising the stakes the next time a Trump comes along. They never truly believed "democracy is on the line" in the last election but they want to create a situation where it might legitimately be with every election.

READ 👏 THE 👏 THEORY 👏 IN 👏 CARTOON 👏 FORMAT 👏

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

It even fits the justification for Trump perfectly but still they deny it rather than accept its metaphysical truth.  

[benji]

Real mashima move.

Enjoy babysitting royalty. Already pander to it so it should be a nice side course for Harada to munch on while he shits his Depends.

                       ableism?

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trans-rights-group-says-some-u-s-students-in-canada-denied-care-at-mcgill-clinic-due-to-trump-executive-order.1517860/

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-is-the-democrats%E2%80%99-new-man-on-the-trail-whether-they-like-it-or-not.1517113/page-7#post-154884298

So hey, I'm gonna quote you again because you didnt answer my question.



It's very frustrating that you jumped into a debate so passionately to make a pretty heavy accusation but then you stop replying when asked give examples to back up said accusation. So I'll try again:



How is Hasan doing damage to the progressive movement? What are some examples?

Every single kid who walks away from one of his streams disillusioned about the political system and giving up unless they get the exact magical politician they want is a net loss.



And every time he tries to make excuses for Russian or Chinese imperialism while decrying US imperialism is an embarrassment that makes any "progressive" label he wants to paint himself with look like a scribbled sticker on an elementary school student's Trapper Keeper. Genocide and imperialist expansionism isn't bad "except when these countries that call themselves socialist do it", it's bad all the time. There is no good empire, there is no good expansionist regime. The concept doesn't exist, and the arguments that I see from some of y'all where he's like "he only wants the GOOD bits of socialism" don't hold water when he's joking around about Russia annexing Crimea like it's a fucking game. It's not cute, it's not funny, it's not clever.



Why should anyone respect the progressive movement if one of its loudest, most public voices is arguing in favor of imperialist regimes annexing territory that doesn't want to be owned? Get better heroes.

Most of your reply is you explaining why you personally dislike him and not how he is damaging the progressive movement so I'm going to reply to the part that touches on what I asked.



You genuinely do not seem to know anything about his streams with a comment like this. Hasan is regularly telling people to keep fighting and to not give up if they don't get the "exact magical politician they want."



The entire basis of your argument, the very first thing you mentioned in your reply to me, is objectively false. A complete lie.



Putting aside specific takes you disagree with, it doesn't seem like you know the most basic overview of his politics or his streams, yet you clearly have it out for him.



And you falsely claim that he is hurting the progressive movement while ignoring how important his voice has been in educating Americans on the truth of Israel and their genocide, and the fact that he has helped pull young men away from falling into alt-right spheres.

[BananaBlast]

link

Are you associating Rashid with Saudi blood money, you racist?!
 

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-is-the-democrats%E2%80%99-new-man-on-the-trail-whether-they-like-it-or-not.1517113/page-7#post-154884298

Most of your reply is you explaining why you personally dislike him and not how he is damaging the progressive movement so I'm going to reply to the part that touches on what I asked.

You genuinely do not seem to know anything about his streams with a comment like this. Hasan is regularly telling people to keep fighting and to not give up if they don't get the "exact magical politician they want."

Oh, so he's saying to compromise with and support Nazis? Exactly the quisling that Gameboy Nostalgia warned us. This is why Hasan is damaging the progressive movement, preventing it from ending capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy.

[benji]

I have no idea who this guy is (he tweets to tens of likes) but Jeff replies to him like this every other day, this one's special because Jeff once again used his X Premium subscription to go over the free character count to dox and harass a journalist:

[simiansmarts]

link

Are you associating Rashid with Saudi blood money, you racist?!
 

That character’s name is Shaheen. You’re thinking of Rashid from Street Fighter 
 
Do better 

[Boredfrom]

Modern Marvel wants to present him as a nutcase because he's a right-wing symbol for justice and an overtly Catholic character.

 

And Jeff still manages to fuck up his reply towards the dude.

[BananaBlast]

link

Are you associating Rashid with Saudi blood money, you racist?!
 

That character’s name is Shaheen. You’re thinking of Rashid from Street Fighter 
 
Do better 

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

I know 

They all look duh same ta me......

 

[benji]

Modern Marvel wants to present him as a nutcase because he's a right-wing symbol for justice and an overtly Catholic character.

 

And Jeff still manages to fuck up his reply towards the dude.

That's really the worst part of comic discourse with all of these dudes. The chuds do it the other way to the wokes. Neither one could make a case for what they're saying, though I think Jeff would have the harder position to argue that a vigilante who murders people who he thinks are criminals and essentially runs a borderline one-man private military is left-wing in spirit.