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[kaleidoscopium]

General Electric is owned by Haier, a Chinese company. Why hasn't it been banned by Congress?

I guess you specifically have to be hosting pro-Palestinian content to get bipartisan ire in DC.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/?post=121920465#post-121920465

Except there isn't to the extent that you can find it on TikTok. American social media companies are actively censoring anything to do with the Palestinian genocide.

One step away from claiming the Jews are controlling the media. Great forum you've got here b dumbs

[benji]

General Electric is owned by Haier, a Chinese company.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/?post=121920465#post-121920465

No, it isn't?

American social media companies are actively censoring anything to do with the Palestinian genocide.

Any examples at all?

[Uncle]

Stay safe out there:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

https://tg.josh.rs/2024-04.html

Recently, a massive database of Discord messages which could be searched for a trivial fee became an international news story. Discord, a subsidiary of Chinese multinational corporation Tencent, sells data as its main business model, but opening this data to the public has enraged tech writers and privacy advocates.

The author of this database has a Kiwi Farms account, and has posted information from his database to the Kiwi Farms. This has led tech writer Joseph Cox (UK) to write a news article claiming that the Kiwi Farms and Spy Pet, the database, are affiliated, and that the database exists to target a "queer community" on Discord.

Spy Pet's posts on the Kiwi Farms are entirely in a thread about a group called the _Boy Kissers_, which is a confederation of grooming circles on reddit and Discord. These chatrooms and subreddits exist to expose socially isolated and vulnerable young boys to pornography and the concept of "pinkpilling", which is groomer terminology for promoting a boy to present feminine and embrace a submissive sexual posture to older men.

The Boy Kisser chatrooms include the 'official' Discord chatroom which is only +13. The Silly chatroom with no age requirement. The Astolfo Cult, which has also been named "Cunny Land" by its admins, a pedophile euphemism for a child's vagina. Femboy Freaks, which is also explicitly +13.

It is clear that Spy Pet intended to use his database to help stop child sexual exploitation. Joseph Cox objects to this.

[benji]

I'm just here to see how the Supreme Court handles the first amendment lawsuit that comes from this. Pretty sure it's gonna be that the US constitution doesn't apply to foreign entities but still interesting nonetheless.

The fact that this was bundled into the foreign aid bill for Ukraine is such bullshit and should be illegal. So if a House member didn't want to ban TiTok they would vote no on this bill...but that would also mean they're voting no on supporting Ukraine. It's absolute lunacy how this is structured.

Separate issues, separate bills. End of story.

I don't disagree as I am very against this.

But honestly that's how bills have been for over 100 years.

Oof, Tea Party talking point!

Israel support AND Tiktok ban in the same bill???

Congrats to Trump on winning the 2024 election jesus CHRIST

EDIT: basically you're losing anybody under 30. Very dumb move

Sometimes this feels like unnecessary noise to draw us from lets see: a genocide in Gaza, the exponential rise in trans hate, abortion etc.

If Zoomers run into the arms of a fascist after the GOP House passed a bill that might result in Tik Tok being banned after the election happens, then maybe we should be reflecting on why they were going to bat so hard for a toxic social media app that's warped their perspectives this much.

Yeah it seemed very weird why all of a sudden this became a big deal again after it completely failed to gain traction last time. Turns out it's all in the name of the country's continued baffling support of Israel's genocide.

Moves like this can genuinely cost Democrats the reelection. I don't they realize there's actually an upper limit to the "what are ya gonna do, vote for the other guy??" rhetoric.

This wouldn't matter if Biden's dumbass wasn't so enthusiastic about signing the bill. Democrats are all in on this bullshit. Even with multiple hard right Republicans coming out and making it clear that they want to buy TikTok.

The idea that you aren't going to vote because an app is banned is bonkers to me.

The idea that people don't care that it's being banned because it's bad for Israeli messaging is bonkers to me.

It's bonkers to me that the US government is banning an app because Biden's favorite ally can't hide their genocide.

What about fuck the politicians that are doing things their constituents don't want?

This sounds like Rethuglican rhetoric too!

There's misinformation on all social media platforms. Perhaps, if that was the issue, Congress should focus on that instead of banning a single app?

They would but China.

Can't wait for half of the internet to be censored only because the youth vote rebelled over Tiktok.

Because that would actually be illegal?

It's also a matter of reach and TikTok has massive reach so it's uniquely important. Twitter is good for pro-palestinian content but it's also good for Nazis, right wingers, people calling for more genocide against Palestinians and pretty much everything so Pro-palestinian content imo is only getting through there incidentally because there is no moderation. Twitter is also not as big as people think it is. It's fallen hard post Elmo.

I'm not speaking to who anyone should vote for because the election is so far off that it won't matter for Palestinian lives anyway. Many areas are already in famine and aid is still a mess because the IDF randomly destroys aid vehicles. So whoever is elected next will just be presiding over a graveyard rather than a conflict. This genocide is Biden's and he will lorde over all of it.

This is neither here nor there. If Israel's propaganda wing had success on TikTok then this ban initiative never happens. Offensive content isn't the issue. Meta literally helped with the Jan 6 insurrection for crying out loud lol.

What about fuck the politicians that are doing things their constituents don't want?

Seriously, as someone who's identity is heavily politicized in modern politics and will people like me will suffer from Biden's loss - I place my fucking blame on the idiots actively pissing off their voters with unpopular bills because they need to stifle criticism of genocide.

You don't just take a giant shit on your voters and tell them to fuck themselves for being upset.

Then the government should keep that energy for everything else.

Oh wait, they don't? Damn that's crazy.

Right? All of this energy on a damn app but I don't see any bills requiring Meta or Twitter/X to be sold/divested because of it actively manipulating government insurrections.

Because that would be blatantly illegal?

Trump is going to 100% win the next election.

Are any of us surviving this decade then?

Can't wait for everyone to blame the youth for Trump winning and not Biden for pushing away everyone.

One thing you can rely on with Democrats is never taking accountability for loses, just blame a voting block! At least for the first time it won't be some variation of "the blacks cost us the vote" so I'm pretty psyched about that not gonna lie.

I think we're at the part in the fall of an empire where guilting people is no longer effective as politicians increasingly and blatantly ignore the will of the people. In the coming years I think democrats more than republicans will have an extremely hard time with demographics going forward. Democrats issue will stem from apathy, you can only squeeze so much blood from the "the other guys are worse so you have no choice but to vote for us" rock before voters start seeing you as no better than the other even if you objectively are.

Whew things are going to get rough in this country in the coming decades

As a foreigner I don't get people who want to move to US

Biden is Israels #1 champion of all time and this ban is not only something Israel wants but it's packaged with $26 billion in aid to Israel. Biden will not only sign it but he'll dance a jig after.

I'm extremely concerned about this as it will deeply effect my life. Fucking hell. This is terrifying

[Polident]

I’ve seen plenty of pro Palestine posts on Twitter. One could argue they’re secretly pro Zionist posts given the dumbest shit on any topic is from a user with the flag on their handle. You develop a pavlovian association there. But the insistence TikTok is the sole source of truth is out of tune with reality. And it’s hardly the only controversy with the platform.

Regardless, it’s nice to see we’re celebrating 4/20 by talking about who controls the media.

[HaughtyFrank]

I’ve seen plenty of pro Palestine posts on Twitter. One could argue they’re secretly pro Zionist posts given the dumbest shit on any topic is from a user with the flag on their handle. You develop a pavlovian association there. But the insistence TikTok is the sole source of truth is out of tune with reality. And it’s hardly the only controversy with the platform.

Regardless, it’s nice to see we’re celebrating 4/20 by talking about who controls the media.

This is what keeps confusing me, the way they talk about tiktok as if it's the only source for their pro-palestine content. It sounds no different to me than when people whine about how conservative content gets censored.

If you can make your point without endorsing terrorists etc. you'll be fine

[benji]

I haven't even seen anyone banned for outright supporting terrorism/violence on Twitter. I'm sure there's some accounts that nobody's heard of or whatever but all the "name" accounts seem just fine. That's why I said I'd want to hear some examples of this American social media censorship, they linked something about Meta but I didn't bother clicking it because who gives a shit.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Avatar's New Groove seems to be erasing his posts:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-95?post=116756043#post-116756043

[benji]

That's why I said I'd want to hear some examples of this American social media censorship, they linked something about Meta but I didn't bother clicking it because who gives a shit.

I recognized the problematics of this, it's about 1000 examples and says this:

Flaws in Meta policies, principally its Dangerous Organizations and Individuals (DOI) policy, which bars organizations or individuals “that proclaim a violent mission or are engaged in violence” from its platforms. Understandably, the policy prohibits incitement to violence. However, it also contains sweeping bans on vague categories of speech, such as “praise” and “support” of “dangerous organizations,” which it relies heavily on the United States government’s designated lists of terrorist organizations to define. The US list includes political movements that have armed wings, such as Hamas and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The ways in which Meta enforces this policy effectively bans many posts that endorse major Palestinian political movements and quells the discussion around Israel and Palestine;
...
Heavy reliance on automated tools for content removal to moderate or translate Palestine-related content.
...
Meta should permit protected expression, including about human rights abuses and political movements, on its platforms. It should begin by overhauling its Dangerous Organizations and Individuals policy so that it comports with international human rights standards. Meta should also audit its enforcement of its “newsworthy allowances,” to ensure that these are being applied in an effective, equitable, and non-discriminatory manner.

So basically what all these people bitched about and demanded. Now they're mad because there's not an exception for something they like.

Also an unspecified (in the summary) number of examples are demonetization being named as "censorship" which lmao

[kaleidoscopium]

I'm against social media apps being banned like this because social media is where a lot of queer kids find support when they can't find it in their home life.
Also much of the tik tok community is extremely pro Palestine so I think I have some idea of why they're really doing this.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/page-5?post=121924044#post-121924044

[kaleidoscopium]

Avatar's New Groove seems to be erasing his posts:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-95?post=116756043#post-116756043

Would be around page 705 for us, not seeing anything saved however.

[benji]

Also much of the tik tok community is extremely pro Palestine

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/page-5?post=121924044#post-121924044

They just assert so much shit without evidence on there all the time.

[Potato]

I'm not joking, but I don't know any slang from white people that hasn't been appropriated from black people.

Basically just British slang like "toodles" or whatever

Go do one, you nonce

Farkin'ell

[kaleidoscopium]

Imagine ignoring all context surrounding this, such as the reason why the ban is being put forward in the first place, and pretending that it's not actually deeply worrying and worth criticizing in a sea of recent Biden admin decisions that have been worth criticizing.

It is on Biden to convince voters to vote for him while he is in the middle of openly and proudly supporting a genocide. Banning a popular social media app that has been used to help spread information regarding said genocide -- as well as an app that has become very important for LGBTQ and other marginalized communities -- is not going to help him do that.

You can look at it as nothing more than "imagine getting mad over a social media app" but that would be disingenuous.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/page-5?post=121924635#post-121924635

[HardcoreRetro]

I’ve seen plenty of pro Palestine posts on Twitter. One could argue they’re secretly pro Zionist posts given the dumbest shit on any topic is from a user with the flag on their handle. You develop a pavlovian association there. But the insistence TikTok is the sole source of truth is out of tune with reality. And it’s hardly the only controversy with the platform.

Regardless, it’s nice to see we’re celebrating 4/20 by talking about who controls the media.

Doing this on Hitler's birthday of all days.

Vile shit I tell ya.

[kaleidoscopium]

Musk is a piece of shit but the thousands of people who work at Tesla mostly aren't. Don't make your automotive decisions based on personalities of leadership folks.

No. This is the exact same fucking argument assholes were making to justify buying the shitty wizard game.
We don't need to help make a transphobic white supremacist any richer.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/elon-musk-lost-democrats-on-tesla-when-he-needed-them-most-wall-street-journal.849390/page-2?post=121924806#post-121924806

 

[Potato]

I'm against social media apps being banned like this because social media is where a lot of queer kids find support when they can't find it in their home life.
Also much of the tik tok community is extremely pro Palestine so I think I have some idea of why they're really doing this.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/page-5?post=121924044#post-121924044

Support like being clothed, fed and sheltered or support like having your delusional ideas about being a woman affirmed?

[Snoopy]

Meanwhile Royalan gets a bath

[kaleidoscopium]

The main reason why the younger generation is so aware and angry about the current genocide in Palestine is because of social media allowing them to see what it actually happening. And that is one of the main reasons the US is trying to ban the app.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/page-6?post=121925310#post-121925310

"The only reason young people care about Palestine is because of propaganda pushed on a Chinese social media app" doesn't hit quite the same

[Boredfrom]

I don’t want the U.S. to ban TikTok, but RE is pretending that stuff like this didn’t happen:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/technology/videos-bin-laden-letter-tiktok.html

[benji]

Musk is a piece of shit but the thousands of people who work at Tesla mostly aren't. Don't make your automotive decisions based on personalities of leadership folks.

No. This is the exact same fucking argument assholes were making to justify buying the shitty wizard game.
We don't need to help make a transphobic white supremacist any richer.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/elon-musk-lost-democrats-on-tesla-when-he-needed-them-most-wall-street-journal.849390/page-2?post=121924806#post-121924806

People who can't afford Tesla's not buying Tesla's isn't going to do this.

The main reason why the younger generation is so aware and angry about the current genocide in Palestine is because of social media allowing them to see what it actually happening. And that is one of the main reasons the US is trying to ban the app.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/page-6?post=121925310#post-121925310

Again, assertions without any evidence.

[Steven Snell]

Musk is a piece of shit but the thousands of people who work at Tesla mostly aren't. Don't make your automotive decisions based on personalities of leadership folks.

No. This is the exact same fucking argument assholes were making to justify buying the shitty wizard game.
We don't need to help make a transphobic white supremacist any richer.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/elon-musk-lost-democrats-on-tesla-when-he-needed-them-most-wall-street-journal.849390/page-2?post=121924806#post-121924806

 

Considering how much that Hogwarts game sold, perhaps it's about time to accept you're fighting quite the losing battle. Hey even your beloved Resetera mods bought it didn't they?

[Potato]

The main reason why the younger generation is so aware and angry about the current genocide in Palestine is because of social media allowing them to see what it actually happening. And that is one of the main reasons the US is trying to ban the app.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/page-6?post=121925310#post-121925310

"The only reason young people care about Palestine is because of propaganda pushed on a Chinese social media app" doesn't hit quite the same

I guess tiktok didn't cover 7 October massacres...

[Polident]

The main reason why the younger generation is so aware and angry about the current genocide in Palestine is because of social media allowing them to see what it actually happening. And that is one of the main reasons the US is trying to ban the app.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/page-6?post=121925310#post-121925310

"The only reason young people care about Palestine is because of propaganda pushed on a Chinese social media app" doesn't hit quite the same

It’s unsubtle how these men pushing 40 are riddled with guilt having only learned of this conflict about six months ago via a teen dancing app.

[Potato]

The main reason why the younger generation is so aware and angry about the current genocide in Palestine is because of social media allowing them to see what it actually happening. And that is one of the main reasons the US is trying to ban the app.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/page-6?post=121925310#post-121925310

"The only reason young people care about Palestine is because of propaganda pushed on a Chinese social media app" doesn't hit quite the same

It’s unsubtle how these men pushing 40 are riddled with guilt having only learned of this conflict about six months ago via a teen dancing app.

These men also used the dancing app to discover that they were actually always women

[kaleidoscopium]

I don’t want the U.S. to ban TikTok, but RE is pretending that stuff like this didn’t happen:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/technology/videos-bin-laden-letter-tiktok.html

Someone said that to Scuffed and he basically said "so what"

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Stay safe out there:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

https://tg.josh.rs/2024-04.html

Recently, a massive database of Discord messages which could be searched for a trivial fee became an international news story. Discord, a subsidiary of Chinese multinational corporation Tencent, sells data as its main business model, but opening this data to the public has enraged tech writers and privacy advocates.

The author of this database has a Kiwi Farms account, and has posted information from his database to the Kiwi Farms. This has led tech writer Joseph Cox (UK) to write a news article claiming that the Kiwi Farms and Spy Pet, the database, are affiliated, and that the database exists to target a "queer community" on Discord.

Spy Pet's posts on the Kiwi Farms are entirely in a thread about a group called the _Boy Kissers_, which is a confederation of grooming circles on reddit and Discord. These chatrooms and subreddits exist to expose socially isolated and vulnerable young boys to pornography and the concept of "pinkpilling", which is groomer terminology for promoting a boy to present feminine and embrace a submissive sexual posture to older men.

The Boy Kisser chatrooms include the 'official' Discord chatroom which is only +13. The Silly chatroom with no age requirement. The Astolfo Cult, which has also been named "Cunny Land" by its admins, a pedophile euphemism for a child's vagina. Femboy Freaks, which is also explicitly +13.

It is clear that Spy Pet intended to use his database to help stop child sexual exploitation. Joseph Cox objects to this.

That DANG DIRTY JOSHUA MOON! 

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

These chatrooms and subreddits exist to expose socially isolated and vulnerable young boys to pornography and the concept of "pinkpilling", which is groomer terminology for promoting a boy to present feminine and embrace a submissive sexual posture to older men.

Absolutely disgusting. Keep doing gods work, Kiwifarms. 

[Boredfrom]

Being fair, you should mistrust Null, like a lot.

[Taco Bell Tower]

I'm against social media apps being banned like this because social media is where a lot of queer kids find support when they can't find it in their home life.
Also much of the tik tok community is extremely pro Palestine so I think I have some idea of why they're really doing this.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/house-approves-sell-or-be-banned-tiktok-measure-attaching-it-to-foreign-aid-bill.849453/page-5?post=121924044#post-121924044