Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Besticus Maximus]

The pre-contact tribes would have stolen his wife and liberated her

[Daffy Duck]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/celebrate-native-americans-on-july-4th-usa-independence-day.1568626/

Guess who

I have a birthday party and going to in-laws this weekend, but I'll try to finally seek out some Native American films and documentaries.

Fuck me sideways, what an insufferable little bell end this guy is

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-rivals-has-introduced-a-swimsuit-skin-for-captain-america.1567858/page-6#post-157439674

I see we're once again at the part where having a debate over something isn't possible and only your opinion is the correct one.

And no, Stellar Blade is actually a terrible example. The idea that the girl from Stellar Blade and this Captain America skin are on the same level of "designed specifically with straight men in mind" is actually ridiculous.

Not enough Spider-Man pointing finger memes for this post.

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[D3RANG3D]

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I believe their beef with Captain American's banana hammock is exactly because it's big and patriotic like the Cap himself, and a big ass flagpole of good old fashion wholesome, Americana...! Something something leaving in droves...

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[Propagandhim]

2B is a robot which means you don't have to worry about poop comin out of that butt, you can nuzzle those cheeks as much as you like and guess what, no poop

When you said "and guess what" I said "no poop!" right before reading you write it.

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-shawn-layden-on-sonys-years-long-debate-over-scrapping-discs-and-why-this-time-its-probably-a-straight-spreadsheet-decision.1568542/page-3#post-157443067

Because profit is absolutely necessary for any business to exists in the long term. A business HAS to generate more money than it spends (that's the literal basic definition of profit!), otherwise it won't last for long. It's economics 101!

It's literally not economics 101, in a perfect economy with perfect competition no company makes profit, this is the first thing taught in any elementary economics class.

You guys will really pull random bullshit to defend capitalist greed.

Someone should find out what school Rinku took economics 101 at. There's some serious instructional malpractice going on over there.

[simiansmarts]

Just read the Echos crash out in full, hahaha glorious.

Dudes just some sicko with a fetish who loves women but claims he’s a lesbian, no my guy, you’re just a straight guy lmao

Echoes is a lone woman veteran who has been fighting sexism in the internet trenches against chud gamer men for DECADES. Every time one of these degenerates dares to comment lewdly on Cammy's big booty butt cheeks, there was Echoes to shutdown the conversation. Every time the rule 34 page of his favorite lesbian character updated with expectation of wholesome wlw T&A and was instead met with NON-CANONICAL images of her taking dick (from a MAN no less!), there was Echoes to leave a scathing comment of disapproval. Every time a summer event in a videogame makes a skin to appeal to gay men in an effort to cover up their crimes against lesbians, there was Echoes to ensure he was being seen and heard as a lesbian. 
 
Respect your elders. 

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-shawn-layden-on-sonys-years-long-debate-over-scrapping-discs-and-why-this-time-its-probably-a-straight-spreadsheet-decision.1568542/page-3#post-157443067

Because profit is absolutely necessary for any business to exists in the long term. A business HAS to generate more money than it spends (that's the literal basic definition of profit!), otherwise it won't last for long. It's economics 101!

It's literally not economics 101, in a perfect economy with perfect competition no company makes profit, this is the first thing taught in any elementary economics class.
You guys will really pull random bullshit to defend capitalist greed.

Someone should find out what school Rinku took economics 101 at. There's some serious instructional malpractice going on over there.

He's being a pedant and referring to the 'zero-profit condition' instead of what everyone else is talking about - typical accounting profit. Zero-profit is just new firms enter when excess profits exist and firms leave when losses exist, until companies earn only a normal return and no extra economic profit.  The irony is, this concept explains the exact fucking opposite of capitalist greed: in a competitive market, as the barrier to entry lowers, companies cannot easily earn huge excess profits forever, because new competitors enter, undercut them, and drive profits down to a 'normal' level, or essentially competition disciplines greed.

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-rivals-has-introduced-a-swimsuit-skin-for-captain-america.1567858/page-7#post-157445902 
 

Tell me what would be specific, quantitative equality for the female and male gaze.

Because for the female gaze—we women don't know what we want and yet want everything. Meanwhile male gaze? Male gaze is a bit of a monolith: pretty face, big boobs, revealing skin.

For example, "bara", male gaze characters like Kratos… can also appeal to women just like those hairless, effeminate boys from LADS.

Someone once asked women, "what does equality look like?" on the main Marvel Rivals sub because we've always been vocal and complaining of the over-sexualization of female characters. To me (because female gaze is too subjective), it's Summer Cap. It's something sexual that can make men as uncomfortable as women feel. It is the over-exaggeration of certain features (boobs to peepee, ass to ass, revealing skin).

Marvel Rivals is doing a lot more to be female and male gooner equal than a lot of games I know about.

 
pls no, not the big muscly fictional men in videogames, i feel so uncomfortable and inadequate ahhhhh 

 
 

A lot "progressivism" here is thinly veiled Puritanism.

 
trvth nvke

[Cheers]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/celebrate-native-americans-on-july-4th-usa-independence-day.1568626/

Guess who

Where was this thread for Canada’s Day? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_genocide_of_Indigenous_peoples

[Besticus Maximus]

Captain America would obviously have an underwhelming todger on account of the fact that he’s an American and his entire existence is devoted to overcompensating for an unimpressive appendage with big cars and slavery

[Lonewulfeus]

Captain America would obviously have an underwhelming todger on account of the fact that he’s an American and his entire existence is devoted to overcompensating for an unimpressive appendage with big cars and slavery

Not to mention the super steroids, ain’t no way that man has functional equipment at this point.

[simiansmarts]

jeff is the only person who unironically sweetieposts in 2026. he really is an egg or just closeted gay.
 
 
 
dumb chud uses jeff's trademark insults on hasan but jeff swoops in to put a stop to that 
 

[HaughtyFrank]

He's offended when someone suggests that Hasan doesn't fuck 😭

[simiansmarts]

He's offended when someone suggests that Hasan doesn't fuck 😭

Find someone who looks at you the same way Jeff looks at Hasan. 

[Snoopy]

High Femme



Shreds 



Echoes



The rest of trans ree

[D3RANG3D]

[Propagandhim]

He's offended when someone suggests that Hasan doesn't fuck 😭

[D3RANG3D]

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[simiansmarts]

the marvel rivals skin thread is actually psychotic 
 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-rivals-has-introduced-a-swimsuit-skin-for-captain-america.1567858/page-7#post-157450765 
 

My stance with the game had always been simple: either strip the male characters down except for their crotch and emphasize the lower parts or put more clothes on the women, even if the former would make straight men uncomfortable and that's exactly what happened.

Winter Soldier's tactical thong, Loki stripped to underwear, Cap and Gambit's dong physics, Magneto's prehistoric mankini etc. ended up making a lot of cis straight men on X and elsewhere uncomfortable with something that female characters have been subjected to for decades. Seeing straight male gamers say shit like "Disgusting!" or "Gross!" to these skins when they've always mocked female gamers for it? I welcome that this game is doing more than any other mainstream AAA game out there in mirroring that same exaggerated sexualization that makes women uncomfortable, instead of pretending a shirtless male character is somehow equivalent like other games do.

 
 

I have been throwing my opinions into the void of the internet about how disgusting female bikini costumes are, and finally! I think the male gamers might get it now.

I agree especially since people complain about "male gaze" and gooning in games and then well, what would be "fair and equal", then? The gooning isn't going way. The costumes are already released. Arguably, Rivals made gooner skins for men, how can they do the same to appease the opposite sex?? I, despite being a women, cannot quite exactly pin down the female gaze. Is it LADS? (LADS is more on the smut/porn side though, I think it goes beyond the Rivals costumes). Is it the genre of otome? If so, there's generally the type of: tall, chiseled abs, thin waist, thin chin?

I honestly tire of the male/female gaze discussion. I argue: toss them both out. We now have the "sexual gaze" wherein whether an outfit is deemed gooner or not is based on specific, measureable things: amount of revealing skin and amount of accentuation of sexual parts whether through existence of physics of the boobs, penis, butt.

Female bikini skins are: revealing, boobs and butt are accentuated. Proportions are unrealistic. Not treated as a joke, doing summer things.
Summer Cap skin is: revealing, penis and butt are accentuated. Proportions are unrealistic. Not treated as a joke, doing summer things. 
 
Rivals gets a lot of criticism about the disparity between male and female (gooner) skins and so when they do finally release something comparable, suddenly it gets attributed to gay men? That's not fair for either sides, as if assuming gay men are more gooner than straight women. I also find it insulting that just because some women don't think it's for them, that they would say "it's made for gay men."

While I think the skin can be aimed at women and the gays, I would argue it's more for straight women purely for money reasons. Gay/bi men are about 4-5% ( of the U.S. population, women make up 50% (even if these numbers are different in surveys of LGBTQ in gaming spaces, gay still a minority).

 
 
they care more about the opinions of hypothetical gamer chuds on twitter (who are totally legit and not at all engagement farming trolls) than the actual costumes themselves  

[D3RANG3D]

The term chud...is it supposed to be some kind of sick burn or something...? Because it just sounds like self censoring to me? 

[Boredfrom]

As I've gotten older, I have learned that I really cannot stand that "you've got a friend in me" music. Insufferable.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jeff-gerstmann-ranks-the-n64-with-science-ot-watch-along-live-every-friday-at-1-pm-eastern-10-am-pacific.1561618/page-10#post-157447111

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-rivals-has-introduced-a-swimsuit-skin-for-captain-america.1567858/page-8#post-157455301 
 
admitting that you use the literal nazi troll site full of nazi trolls as evidence for alleged incel chud outrage is not a good look. these people are not your allies, they are ragebait addicts. 
 

How do you even know who complained most?

Incels been malding about it, making memes titled "FeMiNisTs AnD tHeIr DoUbLe StaNdaRds", posting them under any mentions of this skin on social media

Like this random example
https://xcancel.com/Dexerto/status/2073083518201008582

 
  
I can't even find the incel chud outrage, 99% of the comments are people thirsting over the skin 
 
 
 

[Boredfrom]

the marvel rivals skin thread is actually psychotic 
 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-rivals-has-introduced-a-swimsuit-skin-for-captain-america.1567858/page-7#post-157450765 
 

My stance with the game had always been simple: either strip the male characters down except for their crotch and emphasize the lower parts or put more clothes on the women, even if the former would make straight men uncomfortable and that's exactly what happened.

Winter Soldier's tactical thong, Loki stripped to underwear, Cap and Gambit's dong physics, Magneto's prehistoric mankini etc. ended up making a lot of cis straight men on X and elsewhere uncomfortable with something that female characters have been subjected to for decades. Seeing straight male gamers say shit like "Disgusting!" or "Gross!" to these skins when they've always mocked female gamers for it? I welcome that this game is doing more than any other mainstream AAA game out there in mirroring that same exaggerated sexualization that makes women uncomfortable, instead of pretending a shirtless male character is somehow equivalent like other games do.

 
 

I have been throwing my opinions into the void of the internet about how disgusting female bikini costumes are, and finally! I think the male gamers might get it now.

I agree especially since people complain about "male gaze" and gooning in games and then well, what would be "fair and equal", then? The gooning isn't going way. The costumes are already released. Arguably, Rivals made gooner skins for men, how can they do the same to appease the opposite sex?? I, despite being a women, cannot quite exactly pin down the female gaze. Is it LADS? (LADS is more on the smut/porn side though, I think it goes beyond the Rivals costumes). Is it the genre of otome? If so, there's generally the type of: tall, chiseled abs, thin waist, thin chin?

I honestly tire of the male/female gaze discussion. I argue: toss them both out. We now have the "sexual gaze" wherein whether an outfit is deemed gooner or not is based on specific, measureable things: amount of revealing skin and amount of accentuation of sexual parts whether through existence of physics of the boobs, penis, butt.

Female bikini skins are: revealing, boobs and butt are accentuated. Proportions are unrealistic. Not treated as a joke, doing summer things.
Summer Cap skin is: revealing, penis and butt are accentuated. Proportions are unrealistic. Not treated as a joke, doing summer things. 
 
Rivals gets a lot of criticism about the disparity between male and female (gooner) skins and so when they do finally release something comparable, suddenly it gets attributed to gay men? That's not fair for either sides, as if assuming gay men are more gooner than straight women. I also find it insulting that just because some women don't think it's for them, that they would say "it's made for gay men."

While I think the skin can be aimed at women and the gays, I would argue it's more for straight women purely for money reasons. Gay/bi men are about 4-5% ( of the U.S. population, women make up 50% (even if these numbers are different in surveys of LGBTQ in gaming spaces, gay still a minority).

 
 
they care more about the opinions of hypothetical gamer chuds on twitter (who are totally legit and not at all engagement farming trolls) than the actual costumes themselves  

WTF they are even discussing?

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-rivals-has-introduced-a-swimsuit-skin-for-captain-america.1567858/page-8#post-157455634 
 
the high femme enters the thread to impart his knowledge on the female gaze (he's somewhat of a woman himself!) 
 

I still think 'female gaze' is a bit of a misnomer in these conversations. I know the definition has expanded a bit but to me it's more about how we experience the world through the woman in question, rather than just looking at them and/or them being looked at. It wasn't meant as a mirror to the male gaze or 'women objectifying men' but rather centring the interiority of the subject and their perspectives, at a point where all too often women were depicted as objects, without depth, or to facilitate the progression of a male character.

Insofar as attractiveness, like you mention, I think it's relatively futile to try and pin down so specifically into a neat bucket of what 'straight/bi women' like. I'm a Raf girl in LADS but then, like, Leon and those arms...



Both were designed either by or with the direct involvement of women and it shouldn't be surprising that there's different ways men can be sexualised in general to people who are attracted to them. A lot of the critique of women being sexualised beyond just inequality is in the lack of diversity and manner in which 'sexy' is appealed to, with it all too often just being big breasts and skimpy clothes. Which doesn't preclude queer women finding them attractive or liking the designs outside of attraction, but it's more about the narrowness of that view in general when it comes to companies designing female characters with that intent in mind. I think it's good that when we're seeing men designed to be attractive or sexy it's broader in scope, if still frequently far more restrained, but it would be good if that were married with similar diversity in what 'sexy' means for female character designs.

[simiansmarts]

WTF they are even discussing?

I don't even know any more. It's combination of various arguments  

"here's how this cap skin is totally owning the chuds by appealing to the female gaze" 
"no, this skin is for GAY MEN" 
"actually, this skin doesn't excuse the male gazey skins of women in bikinis with big boobs and butts" 
"we must have skins that make men uncomfortable if we ever want to defeat the demon that the sexualization of women"  
"as a gay trans lesbian gamer for 40 years..." 
 
and so on and so forth. a bunch of men, gay men and gay men pretending to be women arguing over the illusive nature of sexualization that appeals to women because there are no real women on their gamer forum for gamers.

[Besticus Maximus]

A lot of the critique of women being sexualised beyond just inequality is in the lack of diversity and manner in which 'sexy' is appealed to, with it all too often just being big breasts and skimpy clothes. Which doesn't preclude queer women finding them attractive or liking the designs outside of attraction, but it's more about the narrowness of that view in general when it comes to companies designing female characters with that intent in mind. I think it's good that when we're seeing men designed to be attractive or sexy it's broader in scope, if still frequently far more restrained, but it would be good if that were married with similar diversity in what 'sexy' means for female character designs.

That's a whole lot of words for 

[HaughtyFrank]

I think part of the confusion is that to many eyes, this seems like an objective win for "people other than straight dudes should have their preferences catered to". However, there are some people in here that have basically said "doesn't count" or "it's just a joke so who cares" which they are allowed to do but I think has left others puzzled. If this doesn't "count" then what does? It's one thing to say "this is a good/a nice first step but we can go further" and another thing to say" this is irrelevant". If the "wins" can't be celebrated, even the small ones, than others are sometimes left wondering "wait, what are you/we fighting for then?" (this applies to a host of topics, not just the current one about sexualization in video games). These can be tricky conversations though, and it would be a lie to say ever

yone on both/all "sides" of this issue have handled themselves well across this forum (and especially the internet broadly LMAO).
I think people should read the last couple pages of the "why women criticize games" thread to get some actual good in depth takes on why some have legitimate issues with this and the general reactions. I agree with you that it's all around a complex subject to broach, but it's absolutely not just women being puritanical.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-rivals-has-introduced-a-swimsuit-skin-for-captain-america.1567858/post-157456702

[Jansen]

The discourse around Captain America's bulge is getting extremely obnoxious. You can't talk about equality without getting into equity. The prevalence of the male gaze is a goddamn barrier to entry that women have to pay. That skin is nothing in the grand scheme of it all. Men have it all, if it drives away some dudes they just turn to other 5 billion games catering to their tastes.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-545#post-157458523

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-rivals-has-introduced-a-swimsuit-skin-for-captain-america.1567858/page-8#post-157457677