Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[TylenolJones]

So, it needs to be added, this has received a community note that says the pollster themselves called bullshit on the claim (this is why people need to provide links and not just screens)

Yeah I wonder why people on here don’t post twitter links anymore. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/npr-in-the-race-for-senate-in-michigan-multiple-party-fights-are-colliding-for-democrats.1594285/#post-158722660

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/npr-in-the-race-for-senate-in-michigan-multiple-party-fights-are-colliding-for-democrats.1594285/#post-158722660

If supporting Israel has become unpopular, why do some of these politicians insist on hitching their wagons to it still?

Ideology and/or $$$

Money &/or stupidity

$40+ million in AIPAC spending in this race

They know the politicians don't get that money, right? It's all been spent on ads and such.

Look at all the money El-Sayed is personally pocketing!

The main super PAC backing El-Sayed – Fighting for Michigan PAC – has played a smaller but still significant role in the race’s outside-spending landscape. Through June 30, the committee raised nearly $2.5 million and held $1.1 million in cash on hand. As of July 17, it reported spending more than $1.8 million on the race.

Much like A Stronger Michigan, its operations are rooted far closer to the Washington Beltway than the Motor City, and its headquarters is also linked to its treasurer. Peter Sarasohn, who serves as both treasurer and custodian of records, runs the PAC out of a Silver Spring, Md., townhome that he previously listed on FEC documents as his home address. Sarasohn, a veteran Democratic operative who was budget director for Sanders’ 2020 presidential campaign, now runs a consulting firm and also serves as treasurer of Maine Senate candidate Troy Jackson’s exploratory committee. He did not immediately respond to OpenSecrets’ request for comment.

Fighting for Michigan has drawn criticism from Stevens over its funding sources, with the congresswoman claiming during a July 7 debate that El-Sayed “has a super PAC that is run by his father-in-law.” One of the committee’s top donors is indeed Michigan nephrologist Jukaku Tayed, El-Sayed’s father-in-law, who has contributed $300,000 across three $100,000 installments between Feb. 3 and June 22. But while super PACs – which may raise and spend unlimited sums – are prohibited from coordinating that spending with federal candidates, there is no credible evidence that the super PAC is “run by” Tayed, as Stevens claimed.

Another super PAC, American Priorities, spent just over $350,000 as of July 16 to support El-Sayed, FEC records show. That committee formed earlier this year to counter AIPAC spending in Democratic primaries. Funded in part by $1 million contributions from Omer Hasan and Mohammad Waqas – two top donors to a super PAC supporting New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani – it spent $1.6 million to back Adam Hamawy’s congressional bid in New Jersey and $1.1 million on Nida Allam’s in North Carolina.

[benji]

What......?

Like I understand where Israel comes from but I thought there was a LOT more fervor/unification around Dems about ICE sucking.

Dems have been shifting right for a few years now on multiple policies. This senate race is a microcosm of that.

They think the Democrats have shifted right on immigration enforcement?


edit:

Usually the disagreement about issues Democrats have with Republicans is one about degree and methodology than one of base principles. Democrats also agree with strict immigration, deportation measurements, and detention centers- just not the racist fever dream that's killed good innocent white citizens that this current iteration of ICE is. It's similar with the Iran War- the main issue is about the lack of congressional approval Trump got for the war in the first place. You have to kill and pilfer from Arabs by the book, goshdarnit.

I very very casually knew El Sayed during undergrad as we went to Michigan at the same time.

Nothing that would make or change my vote (and I already cast my mail in ballot), just kind of a neat thing.

[benji]

From a lawn chair in the shade during a free outdoor concert in the exurbs, Joan Italia says she voted for Obama twice, before backing Trump all three times.

Italia wants corporate money out of politics, but is also deeply skeptical of far-left policies on policing and immigration. El-Sayed describes himself as a capitalist and is not endorsed by the Democratic Socialists, but shares a similar policy platform to many of their candidates, such as abolishing ICE. Many pundits see Michigan as a test case for how candidates on the left can fare in battleground states.

Italia says she is still open to either Democratic candidate winning her vote. "I left both parties a long time ago," she says. "I've always gone with the vote of how I believe. And I'm doing that again this year."

With voter quality like this...what hope do we really have?

These roguish independent thinkers all come off as the ones with zero principals and they love to brag about it.

"I left both parties a long time ago"

*votes for Trump THREE TIMES*

so you didn't leave then

Also fuck these "independents". This kind of messaging for diet Republicans is why we are in the mess we are in today. These people act like they matter when they are a non-factor.

The thoughts of a three time Trump voter is worth less than dog crap. You can instantly tell from their comments how easy it was for someone like Trump to ensnare someone like that three times in a row.

This is literally the average and median voter.

And she did leave because she's not a straight-ticket voter. Nowhere did she say she switched from voting from Democrats to voting for all Republicans. She mentioned two candidates.

This is especially rich for a supposed politics knower to attack someone in Michigan for when someone who votes for Trump and then votes Democratic down-ballot is in fact the marginal voter of Michigan. The same person who elected Whitmer and has previously elected Democrats to every Senate seat, while also voting for Trump and Rick Snyder. Much of the UAW has voted for Trump all three times while sending a share of their wages to the Democratic Party.

[who is ted danson?]

Sony took our discs

ASHA is bringing them back