Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Pwnz]

They cannot open the thread because they've normalized such biased moderation that a topic in which there's a lot of shit that's nuanced would force them to confront how flawed their moderation policy is. Meanwhile the Biden wall thread is classic, unmoderated hysteria and no moderation they promised, not that I expected it. "Blah blah blah it's my emotional truth that Biden is a maga Republican because he doesn't subscribe to dictator in chief, and if you disagree you're dismissing concerns about *insert bullshit here*"

[books]

You mean to tell me not one of Android Sophia's headmates isn't an expert in Middle Eastern geopolitics with a focus in Israeli/Palestinian relations? 

Not even Royalan? Besides being an expert in forensic detection in Chicago hate crimes he didn't expand his knowledge base?

[Straight Edge]

https://thebore.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=3&page=394

Folks getting 7 year car loans I guess.

[HaughtyFrank]

lol the hamas terrorist invasion thread is still locked to “review reports” in what like a 4 page thread? for like 6+ hours

it’s always obvious that staff conveniently locks threads with that excuse whenever the posts/users start to veer away from the status quo narrative on the forum, like showing what hamas really is vs. the forum’s narrative by some users of hamas being just/morally right

b-dumbs, grow some balls

Biggest news story in the world right now
RE. "we're too scared to talk about it. "

[Pwnz]

They're now threatening probably the most genuine discussion in the Ukraine war thread that they'll dish out bans if they keep talking about the top story in all headlines, instead of you know banning a bunch of bigoted bullshit wishing the deaths of entire demographics because it'll force some reflection.

[HaughtyFrank]

They're now threatening probably the most genuine discussion in the Ukraine war thread that they'll dish out bans if they keep talking about the top story in all headlines, instead of you know banning a bunch of bigoted bullshit wishing the deaths of entire demographics because it'll force some reflection.

Instead of thinking that staff are confused about the situation or, even worse, planning to promote genocide, instead of Occam's Razoring the fact that it's Saturday afternoon and we still have lives to attend to despite horrific current events going on in the world, get back on topic regarding the war in Ukraine.

This will be your only warning regarding this event. Otherwise it's a lengthy ban.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/russia-has-begun-a-full-scale-invasion-in-ukraine-read-staff-posts.556366/post-113138102

Yes, really selling how terribly busy you are with your lives if you have the time to come into a completely unrelated thread and threaten people with bans for daring to talk about the biggest story going on right now. Assholes, seriously

[Pwnz]

In the community feedback thread, they're saying that apparently BDubs was creating discussion guidelines and had to leave his computer and that was hours ago and they cannot possibly set discussion guidelines because he's general manager so he cannot be bypassed.  Like, what?

[Pwnz]

They're now threatening probably the most genuine discussion in the Ukraine war thread that they'll dish out bans if they keep talking about the top story in all headlines, instead of you know banning a bunch of bigoted bullshit wishing the deaths of entire demographics because it'll force some reflection.

Instead of thinking that staff are confused about the situation or, even worse, planning to promote genocide, instead of Occam's Razoring the fact that it's Saturday afternoon and we still have lives to attend to despite horrific current events going on in the world, get back on topic regarding the war in Ukraine.

This will be your only warning regarding this event. Otherwise it's a lengthy ban.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/russia-has-begun-a-full-scale-invasion-in-ukraine-read-staff-posts.556366/post-113138102

Yes, really selling how terribly busy you are with your lives if you have the time to come into a completely unrelated thread and threaten people with bans for daring to talk about the biggest story going on right now. Assholes, seriously

Moderation should be about principles that any staff could handle, not "what are you saying BDubs cannot have a life?!".

The news and discussion is about the news not personalities and hierarchies. Might as well call it a confirmation bias forum.

[Cheststrongwell]

Bdubs taking a nap?

[Boredfrom]

Woah, the Hasán Piker subreddit is a fucking shit show. they Are surprised that people are not down with murdering civilians and kidnapping women. 

“Reddit is plagued with concern trolls today”.

[Boredfrom]

Instead of thinking that staff are confused about the situation or, even worse, planning to promote genocide, instead of Occam's Razoring the fact that it's Saturday afternoon and we still have lives to attend to despite horrific current events going on in the world, get back on topic regarding the war in Ukraine.  

She is so fucking bitter about how Ukraine took over Palestine discourse…

[Uncle]

[DocWager]

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lol the hamas terrorist invasion thread is still locked to “review reports” in what like a 4 page thread? for like 6+ hours

it’s always obvious that staff conveniently locks threads with that excuse whenever the posts/users start to veer away from the status quo narrative on the forum, like showing what hamas really is vs. the forum’s narrative by some users of hamas being just/morally right

b-dumbs, grow some balls

He’d basically have to half his admins in one day, but he won’t.

And Nep, of course you’re promoting murder. You’ve been doing that ever since they gave you admin privileges. You’re a tankie piece of shit, with anger management problems.

Edit: BTW NeoGaf’s thread went into eight pages. I’m guessing posters jumped over to their alt accounts to continue the shouting match over there.

[Pwnz]

Where has BDubs been during the attack on Israel. Hm, interesting 🤔

I'm just asking questions.

HBO max has CNN live now. It's surprisingly not shit, wonder if it's due to the international crew taking over.

[Boredfrom]

BDumbs just woke up:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gaza-under-bombardment-after-hamas-attack-‘we-are-at-war-’-netanyahu-says.772478/

[HaughtyFrank]

Woah, the Hasán Piker subreddit is a fucking shit show. they Are surprised that people are not down with murdering civilians and kidnapping women. 

“Reddit is plagued with concern trolls today”.

Also seeing some leftists takes like that on Twitter. If this is the moment where you think it's time to cheer on Palestine you're fucked in the head

[Snoopy]

And there it is 

it's Saturday afternoon and we still have lives to attend to

I knew she wouldn’t let us down. 

We still have lives unlike those uhh, those well, whatever they’re called. Gee, I wonder what Lucio’s Halloween skin will be this year.

[Pwnz]

There's already a both sides post. Come on Dubs, bannnnn.

"Ignoring moderation guidelines"
"Dismissing concerns about genocide"
"Both siding"
"Victim blaming ethnicity, nationality, etc"
"Fuck you, aka history of histories"

Choose your adventure

[HaughtyFrank]

The current situation in Israel and Palestine is obviously concerning to everyone. Hamas has launched what can only really be described as an all-out attack on Israel. This includes hundreds of rockets flying into major cities and groups of men with guns running, driving, and at times hang gliding in and shooting/kidnapping Israeli citizens. These actions are clearly bad and the loss of life tragic.

This mirrors the actions that the Israeli government has allowed for years; settlers driving into Palestinian territory and forcing people from their homes to take them for themselves or police forces attacking Palestinians attempting to worship on holy days. This has gone on for decades and is also, obviously, horrific.

While there is a temptation to simplify the situation, to try and flatten almost 100 years of history, doing so benefits no one and leads to no actual results or ideas. It just leads to people making accusations toward each other and making everyone dig in.

This is going to be a complicated ask, we recognize this, but there is a difference between explaining the dynamic and justifying actions. A gap between denouncing the violence and attempting to silence. To try and keep discussion going, here are a few points we ask members to follow:

Stay on topic. It might be tempting to try and use another situation in the world as a gotcha against posters you're arguing with, but all that will accomplish is pissing people off and taking the spotlight off the current situation.
DO NOT use the platform formerly known as Twitter and its random users as a primary source. There are actual news organizations on the ground, from CNN to Al Jazeera, covering what is going on. It is far too easy for social media users to take footage from one event and claim it's from this one, misrepresenting what is going on. This happens constantly in other situations as well. Use actual sources please.
We should try and avoid justifying any of the violence that has or will take place. If you think this is going to be the end of it, there's a bridge in Brooklyn that is currently for sale. This is only the start of mass violence in the region, the Israeli government is definitely going to escalate and Hamas will likely respond. This isn't the end of it.
Instead of insulting each other or making insinuations, send in a report. Derailing the thread with personal insults when you think someone is breaking the rules is a fast way to feel good about yourself, but it also takes the spotlight off the situation. If someone is doing something horrific, send in a report and we'll handle it. Don't engage.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gaza-under-bombardment-after-hamas-attack-%E2%80%98we-are-at-war-%E2%80%99-netanyahu-says.772478/#post-113141204

What an amazing load of nothing

[Boredfrom]

I’m frankly uninterested in trying to make some mathematical moral analysis of if specific instances of violence today are “justifiable” or “indefensible“. I think it’s both pointless and a distraction from the horrific loss of life. What I will say is that you cannot commit violence against civilians and children for decades without opening up your own civilians and children to risk of reprisal, and as the entity with by far the most military force and control in the region the Israeli government bears some culpability for creating the conditions that placed its own civilian population at risk.

Cannot help themselves.

[jooseloose]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/debate-over-resident-evil-4-remakes-yellow-paint-resurfaces-as-devs-explain-just-how-much-help-players-really-need-realism-is-less-immersive.772340/

Back in prime GAF days a thread like this would have devs from major AAA studios lining up to give their opinion on things, now since Era chased them all away its always no-name devs of some shit 2D retro pixel indie game acting like they're peak Nintendo EAD.

I browse there regularly and struggle to think of anyone other than two guys from Sony Shitty Cinematic Third-Person Game Studios 1 & 2, and a few community managers (i.e. people that know fuck all about game design and development but want to be in the industry)

[Uncle]

how about we just fuckin say that anyone who kills civilians is awful

instead of saying "well, old lady, you had your chance to try to convince your leaders to stop the violence, perhaps if you'd tried harder you wouldn't have ended up raped and headless"

[Uncle]

I’m frankly uninterested in trying to make some mathematical moral analysis of if specific instances of violence today are “justifiable” or “indefensible“. I think it’s both pointless and a distraction from the horrific loss of life. What I will say is that you cannot commit violence against civilians and children for decades without opening up your own civilians and children to risk of reprisal, and as the entity with by far the most military force and control in the region the Israeli government bears some culpability for creating the conditions that placed its own civilian population at risk.

Cannot help themselves.

What I will say is that you cannot wear skimpy clothing in public for decades without opening yourself up to risk of getting raped, one might say you were asking for it

[Pwnz]

"Oh i see Israeli citizens were murdered, but actually Israel is also bad because of some unrelated foreign policy"

"Oh well your child was murdered in 911, but it's okay because some other American overthrew and Iranian regime 60+ years ago."

Same classic tankie bullshit. Like in an Oliver Stone interview recently with Chris Wallace. Even Chris Wallace shut that shit down asap without a 6 hour break.

[Snoopy]

Ironic this is posted on the forum that spends all of it’s time screaming about privilege 

The current situation in Israel and Palestine is obviously concerning to everyone

Concerning. Sums ree up perfectly. They’re “concerned.” about all the horror. Sort of like how I’m concerned about the loose hinge on the garden gate.

[Pwnz]

Thread gonna blow up I'm sure. Someone just posted "Israel forever fuck them up" to paraphrase. The tankies are going to pile up.

[Boredfrom]

I think one of the issues in the previous thread is that people were warned to avoid social media cause there are bad images out there, but for a while there wasn’t really a description of what was going on or why this was far worse than usual. So lots of people just assumed it’s the usual terrible violence that happens occasionally and didn’t put any more thought into what they were saying or why people were reacting differently.

There were already graphic discussions of it, but not even mods read the fucking thread.

[Venice]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gaza-under-bombardment-after-hamas-attack-%E2%80%98we-are-at-war-%E2%80%99-netanyahu-says.772478/#post-113142143

Israel forever, eliminate those terrorists once and for all

Thank you for your sacrifice. Enjoy your forthcoming perma-ban MillionIII


(This is the post Pwnz is referring to above)

Edit:

[Pwnz]

I'm surprised at the restraint so far overall.

Oh well something to catch up on later.

[Boredfrom]

While blunt and assholish, that user was at least honest:

Not sure how you're reading it this way. They obviously mean "as opposed to their usual indiscriminate and over-the-top way that results in more civilian bloodshed".

That said, this is the IDF so there's no chance of them being measured whatsoever

What has happened is barbaric and indefensible, and I fear the reprisal against ordinary Palestinians is going to be immense. I only use "fear" out of some semblance of hope for restraint, because I am quite sure the reprisal will be brutal given the IDF's past actions.

B-Dubs Just wanted to say that was a top tier staff post. Thanks for trying to provide context and set some well thought-out ground rules. I would offer BBC as another news alternative, as though the failings of the organization are numerous in recent years, their international reporting is still very good and I think tries to be fairly neutral

Wild that both US and Israeli intel failed to detect an upcoming attack. Considering Israel's stranglehold over Gaza getting breached is just failure. There's so much noise coming from every direction it's hard to get accurate media reports right now.

Tomorrow is rumoured to be an awful attack on Gaza again. I do not think this will end anytime soon the Israeli government probably tries to colonialise more I'm just not sure how effective it'll be.

Israel has starved Palestinians for so long this was years/decades in the making. Other than complete genocide what more is there for Israel to do? Palestinians barely have the minimum. Combined with Israel's very right winged government I don't know how this resolves itself. The West isn't going to stop Israel either.

Really, really, really fear about this.

Two of these post are borderline: “You reap what you sow.”