Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[benji]

I don’t think this has been posted. Anyone know the user?

User Banned (Duration pending admin review): Boys club & inappropriate commentary. History of trolling & inappropriate commentary

Worst ever was fairly innocent. I was post coitus with a lovely young woman and we were doing the pillow talk thing. We were both on our backs, side by side as she was telling a story with her arms and hands in the air. She finishes her story, and just dead drops her arm, which landed directly on my stomach, allowing the limp wrist to snap downward even harder and hit a single testicle pretty much with a perfect strike. I seriously almost projectile vomited. It brought tears to my eyes and I couldn’t speak. It was a 1 in a million shot.


Another story concerns my wife’s dedication and love of my balls. She loves giving BJs, and my balls are like top of the menu. Well, one time inparticlar she was rotating between hand job + ball sucking and deepthroating + ball handling. There was a lot of edging, and you know, you can up the sensations significantly if you edge long enough. She sucked my balls so hard, which felt great until after I came… then it felt like someone had kicked me as hard as they could. I understand people get off on the sensation, but I had to have a talk with the wife on how to dial down her enthusiasm because goddamn, I swear I can still feel the pain years later if I concentrate hard enough.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/excuse-me-erans-burdened-with-testicles-but-have-any-of-you-not-experienced-a-shot-to-the-nuts-that-left-you-on-the-ground-in-the-fetal-position.772637/page-3#post-113174498

They seem to have straight up completely deleted this user from the database not the normal account deletion they do.

[JoeBoy101]

User name was Creature Feature. Don't recall them off the top of my head.

[Boredfrom]

I thought it was understood that when we celebrate bans they are people that act like assholes or ban bait without anyone being allowed to even mock them or talk down to them (unless they piss off a mod). 

And that when we mock B-Dubs is because he has all the power of the world to change the forum culture but seems totally clueless on how to do it.

Sure, laughing at bans of people who are awful banbaiters is a fun pastime. But you're prescribing it as a solution to their problems, when "more bans" is definitely not what that forum needs to be not-terrible. The mods are absolutely the cause of the forum's problems, you're right about that, because they are constantly trying to regulate forum thought with bans instead of discourse.

Dude, you realize that I don't expect B Dubs to suddenly ban Excel and others?

[PogiJones]

[Boredfrom]

Being honest, while I agree with you that let discussion flow is better than banning, there is also a group of people that will try to control discussions even without banning and will totally coordinate with themselves to win internet arguments. And this is not the only place I have seen people doing this (hell, they even do it in forums with minimal moderation).

Look how fast Excel started to antagonize another user even after B-Dubs basically told her to calm down.

[Uncle]

I thought it was understood that when we celebrate bans they are people that act like assholes or ban bait without anyone being allowed to even mock them or talk down to them (unless they piss off a mod). 

And that when we mock B-Dubs is because he has all the power of the world to change the forum culture but seems totally clueless on how to do it.

Sure, laughing at bans of people who are awful banbaiters is a fun pastime. But you're prescribing it as a solution to their problems, when "more bans" is definitely not what that forum needs to be not-terrible. The mods are absolutely the cause of the forum's problems, you're right about that, because they are constantly trying to regulate forum thought with bans instead of discourse.

I assumed that boredfrom was saying it in the sense of "if you were gonna follow your own rules, you should ban these people [but we all know why you're not]"

it's a given that their own rules are terrible, it'd just be in some ways more reasonable if they actually stuck to them

like ban people for gravedancing when they have an explicit rule against it (that they softened over time rather than enforce as written)

[Uncle]

User name was Creature Feature. Don't recall them off the top of my head.

yeah, visible in this thread, following the quote back

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chef-boyardee-slaps-change-my-mind.772862/#post-113203970

[Boredfrom]

I thought it was understood that when we celebrate bans they are people that act like assholes or ban bait without anyone being allowed to even mock them or talk down to them (unless they piss off a mod). 

And that when we mock B-Dubs is because he has all the power of the world to change the forum culture but seems totally clueless on how to do it.

Sure, laughing at bans of people who are awful banbaiters is a fun pastime. But you're prescribing it as a solution to their problems, when "more bans" is definitely not what that forum needs to be not-terrible. The mods are absolutely the cause of the forum's problems, you're right about that, because they are constantly trying to regulate forum thought with bans instead of discourse.

I assumed that boredfrom was saying it in the sense of "if you were gonna follow your own rules, you should ban these people [but we all know why you're not]"

it's a given that their own rules are terrible, it'd just be in some ways more reasonable if they actually stuck to them

like ban people for gravedancing when they have an explicit rule against it (that they softened over time rather than enforce as written)

Pretty much.


Im not wrong, RE is the wrong one.
 

[PogiJones]

I assumed that boredfrom was saying it in the sense of "if you were gonna follow your own rules, you should ban these people [but we all know why you're not]"

it's a given that their own rules are terrible, it'd just be in some ways more reasonable if they actually stuck to them

like ban people for gravedancing when they have an explicit rule against it (that they softened over time rather than enforce as written)

You're right, it's just that I've been seeing boredfrom prescribe bans for a long time, so I think he has let it soak into him a bit, and I saw it a lot from him today (which is understandable, given how despicable they've acted these past couple days), so I thought now was a good time to mention it. I wouldn't mention it if I didn't like him.

[Boredfrom]

To be fair, you are right in calling me out. Even if is a serious and horrible topic, I shouldn’t care post that much about it.

[Averon]

Dissecting the RE craziness has brought us all a little bit closer together

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/not-content-with-banning-team-pride-jerseys-the-nhl-now-forbids-nhl-players-from-making-a-personal-decision-to-wear-pride-tape-on-their-sticks.773039/page-2#post-113229185

excelsiorlef says:
Like fuck the guy but I'm not going to not post news confirmed by the league so

C'mon, guys. Stop calling them out on posting bad sources. It's not like posting incorrect or alt-right chud sources ever saw a person banned on Ree before.

[Boredfrom]

I mean, you read stuff like this, that people agree uncritically or quote:

i love how easily we can reheat classics from the war on terror like ‘civilian casualties are a necessary evil’ lol

Are you talking about Israel or Hamas? 

Much like the US and Americans, they're brown so who gives a fuck. People always carry fucking water for colonizers day in and day out. Somehow that doesn't apply when Russia is doing it to Ukraine. Which, well surprise.

I am not suggesting Ukraine doesn't deserve the help it's getting. It's just fucking hilarious that it is while Israel is given carte blanche to do whatever the fuck it wants and no one even ATTEMPTS to question it. This whole thing is fucking bullshit and that today is colonizer who wiped out my homeland celebration day in the US is just the cherry on top.

I want to care post so bad. Is so frustrating.

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Also, notice how Excel post:

You are defending the at crimes

Started a dog pile on Pyromaniac while nobody has answered:

“How you deal with Hamas?”

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Speaking even slightly against Ukraine aid? The Ukraine OT is going to be fuming.

[Boredfrom]

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Speaking even slightly against Ukraine aid? The Ukraine OT is going to be fuming.

Many are still salty about how Ukraine upstaged them and that people are talking Israel side overall.

I just cannot comprehend how someone see people getting gunned and kidnapped, and saying: “the colonizers are mad because they are brown. HURHURHUR”.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Because they need to feel both outraged and superior to others by taking fringe views. If you're not the perpetual victim then how else can you cry online?

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/not-content-with-banning-team-pride-jerseys-the-nhl-now-forbids-nhl-players-from-making-a-personal-decision-to-wear-pride-tape-on-their-sticks.773039/page-2#post-113229185

Well, to be fair to the NHL, it's afraid of color in general. And goes to great lengths to appeal to its conservative, bigoted main demographic.

It's the oldest, whitest, most regressive country club sport still in existence. Other than Polo, perhaps.

Much like the US and Americans, they're brown so who gives a fuck. People always carry fucking water for colonizers day in and day out. Somehow that doesn't apply when Russia is doing it to Ukraine. Which, well surprise.

I am not suggesting Ukraine doesn't deserve the help it's getting. It's just fucking hilarious that it is while Israel is given carte blanche to do whatever the fuck it wants and no one even ATTEMPTS to question it. This whole thing is fucking bullshit and that today is colonizer who wiped out my homeland celebration day in the US is just the cherry on top.

1. Has this guy seen the skin color of many Israelis? He also should ask some white supremacists if they think ethnic Jews in general are white. (While continuing the myth that nobody questions anything about Israel.)

2. What homeland is this guy claiming that he says Columbus wiped out? He has no clue where Columbus even went when you can Wikipedia this stuff in ten seconds.

"hurr durr Columbus started the process, if he hadn't sailed the ocean blue..."
Yeah, nobody else was going to run into those giant Earth spanning continents while trying to sail west.

[benji]

Was going to Kulturkampf the OP tweet but this reply spoke to me more about ResetERA.com:

[Rendle]

Kinda off-topic but did anyone else notice how cute those kidnapped Israeli's are? They showed a layout of all the girls on PBS and it looked like a sorority yearbook or something. Shame they all like that shitty EDM music though.

[BIONIC]

[benji]

Can you capital-G Gamers not fetishize and objectify colonizers, thanks.

[BIONIC]

Members only thread. A certain comedy legend had to make it about him/them somehow

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-makes-game-forums-so-male-dominated.771803/page-9#post-113185967

A LOT of folks don't understand the dialogic concept of "yes and" and it boggles my mind. They think everything is an argument or a "me vs. them" scenario and it's like, nah, man, it's...dialogue. Sometimes we say the same things in different ways, sometimes we agree on some things and disagree on others, and sometimes you just want to take something someone said and add onto it with their own perspective. Not everything needs to be a competition, but so many folks view online interactions as some kind of game they need to "win".

I first learned about "yes, and.." years ago at an improv class at Second City in Chicago. It's been an absolute game changer in my personal life, but online it's been a challenge to see much effect. For a while now I've tried to make the majority of my posts something that directly build off what someone else has said, but most of discussion here is combative and assumes the worst possible intent. A lot of the time I type a reply, delete it, and never go back to the thread.

I spent ten years at Second City! OK, not literally, but I was in that community for a decade and took a lot of classes there over the years. So yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Incorporating "yes and" into my speaking style has been HUGE for me overall, especially in terms of, like, having dialogues with people in real life, and anything to do with public speaking or presentations at work.

That said, I agree with you entirely. So many people just assume the absolute worst of everyone, regardless of the topic they're discussing. Doesn't matter if it's video games, TV or anything else - a lot of folks are just WAITING for a "gotcha" to pounce on. And it really does make discussion poisonous when it feels like nobody actually wants to talk about anything, but rather just...they want to be seen having an opinion and then get really upset if someone doesn't share it.
And they get even more upset if the person who doesn't share their opinion is a woman, a queer person, a person of color or some combination of the above.

And I get your point about deleting replies - I actually had a whole tangent about nerd spaces and inclusivity and the inevitable bent toward culture wars that seems to flare up every single time some "nerdy" hobby goes popular with the mainstream, but it just felt like a nonsequitur and like preaching to the crowd so I zapped it, ha.

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[Boredfrom]

Messy on the thread. Repeat. Messy on the thread.

It's effective defeatist propaganda when people say this conflict is complex or complicated. People who say this is complicated want to give off the air that the peace process is hopeless and this conflict has been raging for thousands of years, it's a holy thing, and that both sides are equal in creating the conflict. Those are all lies. When at the end of the day, Israel is the occupier, and Palestine has been refused many times from the peace process. It's quite simple, when you know the history going all the way back to the 1940s (and not thousands of years). Here's a brief rundown of the history by Lonerbox (white British leftist youtuber) and Beaceprocess (Palestinian youtuber).

[Boredfrom]

Why the fuck they keep pretending that religion has nothing to do with this?

[BIONIC]

Was Taco Bell Tower a victim of the latest attacks? The like economy is in shambles

[Nintex]

Eye witness accounts are coming out as well as footage from phones and dash cams the IDF has found. The Israelis are furious, after this Gaza will remain a smoking pile of rubble to remind the Arabs to never fuck around again.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1711618480179396831?t=gMExDqA2N0fHhiGvokhQPg&s=19[/tweet]

[benji]

Members only thread. A certain comedy legend had to make it about him/them somehow

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-makes-game-forums-so-male-dominated.771803/page-9#post-113185967

That said, I agree with you entirely. So many people just assume the absolute worst of everyone, regardless of the topic they're discussing. Doesn't matter if it's video games, TV or anything else - a lot of folks are just WAITING for a "gotcha" to pounce on. And it really does make discussion poisonous when it feels like nobody actually wants to talk about anything, but rather just...they want to be seen having an opinion and then get really upset if someone doesn't share it.
And they get even more upset if the person who doesn't share their opinion is a woman, a queer person, a person of color or some combination of the above.

Jeez, another prominent member complaining about ResetERA.com. It's just so awful there's nothing that can be done.

Messy on the thread. Repeat. Messy on the thread.

Here's a brief rundown of the history by Lonerbox (white British leftist youtuber) and Beaceprocess (Palestinian youtuber).

An hour long video. That doesn't actually cover the history according to its contents.

I looked at this guys channel and he has a video about how 4chan and World of Warcraft almost "radicalized" him because of course he does.

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Also a thirty minute video about the "Weimar Fallacy" that seems to argue against something nobody said (allowing free speech prevents Nazis) and hinge its additional claim that the state suppressing minority speech protects democracy on the fact that when Hitler was personally banned from speaking the Nazis did worse in elections, ignoring that they were a completely new party and Hitler wasn't yet famous. The implication of the argument would be that no speech the state does not endorse should ever be allowed. Which the comments seem to be supporting:

@madeline6951
4 months ago
I think the issue with this whole discussion is in definition (as it always is, it seems). I'm all for freedom of speech. But political speech is not the same as regular talking, it is also an action. Political speech is inherently an act you impose onto the audience. Especially so in the cases where you explicitly deal with the distribution of violence. As soon as your speech starts affecting a disproportionate amount of people, it should be examined closely.

@swanpride
4 months ago
I think the issue is more with the definition of "freedom" in general. Freedom is a great concept, but complete freedom simply isn't possible because we don't life in a bubble. My personal freedom ends were I curtail the personal freedom of someone else - and the other way around. The same is true for speech. If free speech is used like a weapon in order to shut other people up and/or incite violence against them, it curtails free speech of the people attacked. Consequently in order to reach the ideal state of free speech possible, we need to draw the line at some point.

@littleferrhis
4 months ago (edited)
This is really one of the harder things for libertarians to come to terms and work with. An open absolutist Democracy is all well and good when most people want the right things out of it, but what happens when the people don’t want the right things? What happens when you have a society with an illness so widespread that its taken over the body and it needs to be forced out. Do you hold to your principles, call what is right subjective, and do what the society desires? Or do you go against your principles to fight for something you believe is morally right? Getting rid of the illness would be tyrannical and easily make you in the wrong, but could benefit society overtime.

@uniball5667
4 months ago
I agree with most of everything you said, except that making anti-democratic claims shouldn't be illegal and that it's vague. If someone is out there advocating for a system of government other than some form of democracy, it should be illegal. I mean, it's already illegal here in the U.S. for a state to establish a monarchy, so in my opinion it's completely reasonable to then make it illegal to advocate for a state to become a monarchy. I mean, the only reasonable conclusion to someone advocating for a system of government that is inherently illegal  is that they want to dismantle the democracy they live in so they can live in an illegal form of government. So, that's kind of inherently calling for violence which we all agree isn't protected.

@nachis04
4 months ago
Awesome video. I think one of the big problems is in the definition of speech in the free speech context. My rationale is that speech is not equal a sound made by the human mouth. Speech in this context should be regarded as well defined ideas, that can be rigorously defended within a specified set of parameters. If said idea fails to pass the rigour test, it should be modified or retracted altogether. The set of parameters could be defined democratically, and upheld by a democratically proportionally defined body. It would be a lot of work, but speech deserves it.

Oh, and drink:

@MouldMadeMind
4 months ago
To maximize tolerance you can't tolerate intolerance etc.

@joshuapfeil6181
4 months ago (edited)
I think the impact of power on free speech is largely missing from this conversation. Yes, there is a difference between words and actions, but when one group has more social power than another, allowing them to use hate speech against the less powerful group denies the powerless equal access to free speech because of the powerful's ability to control the conversation. If we want truly free speech, where every person has equal chance to say their piece, we not only can limit hate speech, but we must. Allowing hateful rhetoric but banning hateful behavior makes sense in a vacuum, but in the real world it serves to deny equal access to speech to those that need it most.

In the scientific community they say there's no such thing as paradoxes, because what they're actually doing is revealing flaws in the models we use to understand the world. I think the Paradox of Tolerance is no different. We can't tolerate intolerance or it will push out all other voices, and we see that reflected in the discomfort and silence forced upon queer communities and communities of color. For them to meaningfully have a voice, we have to deny a voice to hate.

Anyway, he sponsors this hilarious lazy dumbass shit on his videos: https://ground.news/

[Besticus Maximus]

Why the fuck they keep pretending that religion has nothing to do with this?

Because they've banned every one except the weirdest, creepiest muslim fellas. You can see the pain cringe in Bdubs face, even Nepenthes sometimes, but goddamit what else are they gonna do

[Polident]

Why the fuck they keep pretending that religion has nothing to do with this?

If you make it about religion, the whole little guy vs big guy mentality twists. Islam is the second largest religion and on pace to overtake Christianity. I’m not gonna double check but I don’t think Judaism cracks the top five. It’s something like 2 Billion vs 15 Million. So, it gets messy. And Americans, by their own doing, see Islam as this all-in-one blob. No distinction between Shia and Sunni. No knowledge of various wars and conflicts among and between Islamic nations and people.

It’s never questioned why the Islamic nations don’t care about Muslim uyghurs. Oh wait, they deny that’s happening. Or in Iran, the government hurting its own Muslim population to fund hamas. Or, you know, look at how many Islamic nations viewed Jews before 1948.

Having said all that, it’s probably not about religion. Lebanon just has hecking empathy for the Palestinians. I’ve just been handed a note about how Palestinians are treated in Lebanon. I’m in over my head here.

Anyway, for only 15 million Jews, they seem disproportionately in charge of many media netwo… hold on. Another note. Apparently I have to travel to DC and visit a museum. Or I guess there’s an option in Fortnite now.

[Boredfrom]

There is always something in that thread:

It's amazing how the west has convinced the world indiscriminate bombings, missile strikes and artillery strikes are justified and innocent casualties are collateral damage. But a killing by a gun held by a person with brown skin is barbaric and the work of animals? What is the difference?

Rape, sadism and indulgence on posting at social media.

And obviously, nobody in that fucking thread mention this reason.

Fucking scum.

The relatively slow boil of the Palestinian plight vs the seismic shock of a coordinated terror attack provides great cover for the West’s typical disregard for brown people. We’ll hear about and see footage of Hama’s targeting civilians, and that will act in contrast to seeing faceless buildings collapse that Hamas allegedly used. And Of course the footage of Israel sniping kids, women, journalists, medics and other non-Hamas operatives never makes the media rounds like a massive terror attack.

“Why a terror attack is getting more media coverage than a faceless soldier doing vile shit?”