(1 hour ago)Besticus Maximus wrote: If you think about it, Chickens are the ultimate expression of the boot on the neck of the columbian exchange.Yes, we need to dig more deeply into the theory and what that thread refuses to even consider (not surprising for a far-right forum that's never been progressive or safe for marginalized people) if they were actual anti-capitalists:
https://www.reddit.com/r/leftist/comments/1ktsqca/veganism_is_a_political_issue_and_is_antifascist/ wrote:Unfortunately, I see many people treating veganism like some bougie lifestyle or diet, and I think that has watered down the message for most people. But right now I want to strip all of that away and talk to you leftists directly, by saying that veganism is a stance against fascism, discrimination, and a resistance against a deeply unjust system of domination.
Firstly, fascism thrives on hierarchy. It says, “These beings are superior, and those beings inferior. Therefore, their domination is justified.” And this mindset doesn’t stop at humans.
Speciesism is the foundational prejudice that says non-human animals exist for us, and are property to be bred, mutilated, exploited, and killed, all because we decided that they are “lesser” than us. It is in many ways similar to racist prejudice, which justified the use of certain races as property and as beings who should be given less consideration due to their status as being “inferior” during the transatlantic slave trade.
Speciesism has the same ideological structure as racism, sexism, ableism, and other oppressive systems: putting one group down as inferior to justify their domination. It’s analogous in another way to racism because certain species get protections under law, like animal abuse laws for cats and dogs (the cute ones), while others like cows and pigs (not as desirable) get no mercy and are treated as objects to be exploited, abused, and slaughtered.
And the factory farms where the vast majority of animals are kept look a whole lot like concentration camps. They are slaves, only seen as a product, and only valued by the utility of their bodies. Kept in conditions so inhumane, abused regularly, and their suffering mocked. Slaughterhouses have more in common with prisons and concentration camps than anything “natural.”
Veganism challenges all of that. It exposes the system of domination which is founded on the idea of oppression of innocent beings and the idea of superiority. It is a rejection of that speciesist worldview, and is a resistance analogous to that of the civil rights movement. And most of all, it is a political position, a leftist one at that, rejecting hierarchies and systems of oppression.
Please feel free to ask questions below, as I understand this might come across as insensitive or naive. I am not calling any of you fascists or bad people, I just want you to seriously rethink this issue and your position on oppressive systems, unjust hierarchies, and on domination.
Quote:It is very simple. Almost everyone can live on a vegan diet and choosing not to causes extreme amounts of torture and harm while being entirely unnecessary. If you know the truth and choose not to be vegan you are morally inferior and are a worse person. Imagine I treated anyone like an animal is treated? What do you think happens when people find out? Please non-vegans go ahead and name the trait that justifies doing it to animals but doesn't justify other human atrocities. Imagine how pathetic I would be to say I am against slavery but to still own slaves 'ethically'.
Quote:This post is fascinating, well done for making this connection.
I would even add that ‘livestock’ was the first form of currency, so it is inherently linked right back to the conception of capitalism.
Every empire is built by the slave.
At some point humans developed psychological strategies to discriminate against different beings ie. People of other races, animals, fish etc. to become blind to the individuality of each being, to view them as a mass resource to be enslaved and exploited for personal gain.
Speciesism is arguably the first form of discrimination learnt by humans - Old McDonaldhad a farm, there was a farm who had a dog, ba ba black sheep have you any wool?
Animals like humans are earthlings. We have the capacity to have strong relationships with them. But the animal exploitation industries survive by hiding their practices of immense torture, suffering and killing. If slaughterhouses had glass walls.
The system also depends upon the continual dissemination of propaganda… how many people believe “humane slaughter” actually exists? How many people know that consuming animal products for the majority of us is completely unnecessary for our survival or thriving?
Speciesism falls under the umbrella of fascism which is thrives under lies, secrecy, misdirection and is the oppression of beings who are vulnerable.
Open your eyes, don’t be fooled and see the truth.
https://medium.com/delapierced/vegan-guide-22492380c6f2 wrote:“Veganism at its most liberatory is a political praxis to dismantle the oppression of humans and nonhumans.
Quote:Veganism is a political praxis, not a consumer checklist. Praxis Vegans (emphasizing changing systems) turn Leftist; Purity Vegans (emphasizing individual consumer choices) turn Nazi.
Animal Agriculture has a >100% turnover rate, with high rates of injury, and preys on undocumented women of color of reproductive age, some minors, rife with sexual harassment/assault, low pay, no benefits, et cetera.
And it's proven science that meat eating is as fascist as using Steam or Twitter:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886914000944 wrote:Why do right-wing adherents engage in more animal exploitation and meat consumption?If you ever needed proof that Era is a den of fascists then look at how they not only demand Black people never have their oppression ended but openly talk about preparing meat (washed or not) for eating. And then they lecture us to vote.
Kristof Dhont a 1, Gordon Hodson b
Highlights
•Right-wing ideology predicts acceptance of animal exploitation and meat consumption.
•Two community-sample studies address why.
•Human-supremacy beliefs and perceived vegetarianism threat explain the associations.
•Findings hold after controlling for hedonistic pleasure from meat-eating.
Despite the well-documented implications of right-wing ideological dispositions for human intergroup relations, surprisingly little is understood about the implications for human–animal relations. We investigate why right-wing ideologies – social dominance orientation (SDO) and right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) – positively predict attitudes toward animal exploitation and meat consumption. Two survey studies conducted in heterogeneous community samples (Study 1, N = 260; Study 2, N = 489) demonstrated that right-wing ideologies predict greater acceptance of animal exploitation and more meat consumption through two explaining mechanisms: (a) perceived threat from non-exploitive ideologies to the dominant carnist ideology (for both SDO and RWA) and (b) belief in human superiority over animals (for SDO). These findings hold after controlling for hedonistic pleasure from eating meat. Right-wing adherents do not simply consume more animals because they enjoy the taste of meat, but because doing so supports dominance ideologies and resistance to cultural change.
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