Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[benji]

Fortress/Soros can handle VICE's pricy Brooklyn real estate but not a slam dunk libel dismissal from a vtuber who doesn't even have any legal representation yet? Have they seen what else VICE has published over the years?

1. Yes, because they're going to flip that real estate if they own it after they're done firing everybody.
2. Valens couldn't stop himself from establishing actual malice, especially on social media, and the dumbass editor is clearly aware of this. (Aware that it's a personal beef, not aware what actual malice is.)
3. You didn't even point out that deleting articles doesn't protect you from a libel suit.

Overall rating:

[Potato]

By the looks of his posts he's upset that the spotlight he put on someone else is now on him. He's telling them..


This soft bitch wants to throw shit at people but cries when it's throw back. 

personally i think he's soon to be out of a job, we'll see if i'm right!

even gerstmann was clowning on neo-waypoint on his pod this week

As mismanaged as Vice is… why any company will employ an Editor that green lights hit pieces were the reporter pulls himself in the story and is clear has personal bias against the people in the article?

Online media is such a poorly paid profession the only people who will do the work are retards.

[benji]

personally i think he's soon to be out of a job, we'll see if i'm right!

even gerstmann was clowning on neo-waypoint on his pod this week

This was his list of their un-oppressive journalism he was touting in his now deleted piece calling out the haters:

THE PRIDE AND JOY OF 'ZOMBIE WAYPOINT'

Ana Valens
VTubing Has an Elephant in the Room: Bigotry
Ex-Polygon Games Journalists Have a Fundraiser Live Now. Join Me and Help My Colleagues Out
‘Monster Prom’ Has a New Game Out Today — With My Favorite Trans Girl Character, No Less
Why Is This ‘Gamer Supps’ VTuber Pushing the Great Replacement Theory?
I Want More Games Like Webfishing

Shaun Cichacki
Even 15 Years Later, ‘Metal Gear Solid’ Can’t Fill the Hole You Left Behind
‘FFXIV’ From Eorzea to the Real World: How the MMO Keeps Friendships Thriving All Across the Globe (Community Feature)
‘Afterlove EP’ Broke My Heart, and I’m Glad It Exists (Review)
Making a Pie While Wearing a Meta Quest 3 Was an Excellent Bonding Experience With My Wife
Debra and Hawken Miller of CureDuchenne Spoke With Me About The Condition, The Reven Pack in ‘World of Warcraft,’ And How It Helped Raise Awareness (Interview)

Brent Koepp
How I Survived the Trenches of Nintendo Switch 2 Pre-Order Hell – A Tale of War and Betrayal
Some Japanese Folks in Their 20s Are Getting Hooked on Gacha Games to Their Detriment – Waifu Debt Is Very Real
‘Wuthering Waves’ Developer Responds to Backlash Over Censorship – The Gooner Rage is Real
‘Lost Soul Aside’ is Delayed – Here’s Why ‘Clair Obscur: Expedition 33’ Proves It’s a Good Thing
Alright, Nintendo, It’s Time to Finally Bring Classic Pokemon Games to Switch Online – Do You Not Like Money?

Matt Vatankhah
There’s Something Fishy About ‘Dreadmoor’ and Dream Dock Games
‘Fatal Fury’ Producer Yasuyuki Oda Suggests There’s Still Room for More Unexpected Characters Like Ronaldo in ‘City of the Wolves,’ but Does Anyone Really Want That?
‘Clair Obscur: Expedition 33’ Makes Turn-Based Combat Look like Art and Paints a World So Gorgeous, You’ll Forget You’re Dying (Review)
We’re Truly Never Getting Handheld Gaming Back Again, Are We?
I Tried Drug Dealing in ‘Schedule 1’ and Now I’m Hooked (Demo Impressions)

Anthony Franklin II
I’m Making a Big Deal of My 100th Article Because I Really Shouldn’t Have Made it Here
‘Tales of Kenzera: Zau’ Got Me Through My Own Grief
‘Indiana Jones and the Great Circle’ Is the Fourth Movie We Actually Wanted (Review)
‘South of Midnight’ is More Than an Excellent Love Letter to the South — It’s a Story of the Perseverance of a People
Bots Aren’t All Bad: Multiplayer for the Single-Player Minded

That’s it, really. It’s out of my system and out in the wild. To be clear: I don’t want or need anyone’s sympathy or compassion. I don’t care how people end up interpreting this article — I imagine my prospects in games journalism outside of “Nu/Zombie Waypoint” aren’t great one way or the other anyway. But until this outlet’s final, dying gasp, we’ll continue feeding y’all cool indie games. I’ll keep boosting and gassing up this team because they have earned and perpetually deserve nothing less than full support.

Is the road ahead rife with algorithm-pleasing fluff? Unfortunately, yes. But at least we choose how we do it. The day we stop being able to choose is the day we truly do become a shambling, soulless husk of an outlet.

It looks like an average Kotaku week for the last decade.

[killamajig]

By the looks of his posts he's upset that the spotlight he put on someone else is now on him. He's telling them..

Y'all can ogle at any screencaps because I know you consider it a *gotcha.*

Y'all right. Whatever you think I am: sure. Find something else to do.

This soft bitch wants to throw shit at people but cries when it's throw back. 

He's talking about this other piece he wrote that was mostly bitching about how people will call him a scab for taking the Waypoint job, it was only slightly about the Valens stuff:

Today marks the 7-month anniversary of “Nu Waypoint,” actually. And if I had to do this all over again, knowing I’d be a villain in games journalism’s rogues’ gallery? I would in a heartbeat. Because here’s the stone-cold truth: for as doomed as this vessel may be? It’s a vessel with many eyes on it. And with that visibility, we always lend the mic to underrepresented games. Indie teams can easily use this brand to get their projects the recognition they deserve.

If I’m meant to go down with the “Nu Waypoint” ship and be eternally doomed in games journalism if (or “when”) the bottom falls out? Y’all better not ostracize everyone else on this team. Shaun, Anthony, Matt, Brent, and Ana? They all hopped aboard a disastrous situation for themselves simply by aligning with “Nu Waypoint.” Because I promised them more than the cataclysmic lows we were accustomed to. I told each of them that this would be better than that. Don’t punish them for simply wanting an unoppressive space to freely talk about a medium they love.

Y'ALL CAN TELL ME TO GO TO HELL BUT LEAVE MY TEAM OUT OF IT

As of this writing, in real time, Ana is the subject of a dedicated, impassioned hate campaign against her.

And her story isn’t reaching the right spaces, partially because of the reputation of “Zombie Waypoint.” I acknowledge the reasoning behind ResetEra, Aftermath, and anyone else who wants this outlet to perish because y’all believe I had no right to accept this job — or that this is a mockery of what existed before.

Maybe we make it to a full year and beyond. Maybe we don’t. But one thing I won’t allow is for anyone to erase and ignore all the good everyone here has done. And if you think this team hasn’t done anything worth acknowledging? Allow me to prove you wrong.

That tweet's too early for it to be related to these Valens article deletions.

Here's the archive of that whole thing, I only quoted one part of it: https://archive.ph/Ep7tQ

I just find it funny how some people get all worked up over online shit fligging. He says, "Find something else to do," and I’m sitting here thinking......You want to have slap fights on social media, so don’t be surprised when a bunch of other bored people jump in to stir up even more drama.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamergate-2-0-chuds-furious-about-a-consulting-company-named-%E2%80%9Csweet-baby-inc%E2%80%9D-which-overviews-scripts-to-make-sure-nothing-offensive-was-written.823731/page-188#post-139873827

[Boredfrom]

In other news, Selective was banned and supposedly an alt account.

[killamajig]

even the resettis are over it


https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamergate-2-0-chuds-furious-about-a-consulting-company-named-%E2%80%9Csweet-baby-inc%E2%80%9D-which-overviews-scripts-to-make-sure-nothing-offensive-was-written.823731/page-188#post-139836876


https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamergate-2-0-chuds-furious-about-a-consulting-company-named-%E2%80%9Csweet-baby-inc%E2%80%9D-which-overviews-scripts-to-make-sure-nothing-offensive-was-written.823731/page-188#post-139873827

"Are we the baddies?"

[Jeff_at_the_laughfactory]

In other news, Selective was banned and supposedly an alt account.

Got Eternala vibes from them, guess they didn't get a blessing from the mod team.
I assume they don't pick a specific post to ban you for and just do it behind the scenes?

[Potato]

By the looks of his posts he's upset that the spotlight he put on someone else is now on him. He's telling them..


This soft bitch wants to throw shit at people but cries when it's throw back. 

He's talking about this other piece he wrote that was mostly bitching about how people will call him a scab for taking the Waypoint job, it was only slightly about the Valens stuff:
That tweet's too early for it to be related to these Valens article deletions.

Here's the archive of that whole thing, I only quoted one part of it: https://archive.ph/Ep7tQ

I just find it funny how some people get all worked up over online shit fligging. He says, "Find something else to do," and I’m sitting here thinking......You want to have slap fights on social media, so don’t be surprised when a bunch of other bored people jump in to stir up even more drama.

"Why are you flinging shit at me?" complains man who's job it is to fling shit.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/palworld-dev-pocketpair-has-shared-a-statement-explaining-changes-made-to-the-game-due-to-the-pokemon-nintendo-lawsuit.1183920/page-17#post-139810674

User Banned (1 Week): Whataboutism; History of the Same; Account in Junior Phase

Hey, at least Nintendo is not actively supporting genocide like Microsoft!

Of course this only matters if you care about that, but still!

Gamers when a game company is anti-piracy, doesn't do big 90% discounts, sells weak hardware:, or makes games they don't like:

"This company is the most evil and scummy one to exist."

Gamers when a game company is pro-genocide, emotionally abuse and harass own staff, commits sexual abuse/rape, lays off hundreds of staff, anti-LGBTQ, or engages in black market gambling:

"Nah, at least their games are good and cheap. More pro-consumer and less evil than Nintendo."

Inb4 someone reports me for "whataboutism." It's not even hyperbole, gamers really do prioritize game pricing, fun and hardware specs over anything else. It's why people in this thread use "Palworld is better than Pokemon so Pocketpair is justified in plagiarizing." They honestly don't care what kinda stuff the corporations do to each other. Even the whole patent thing is just an excuse (this lawsuit doesn't even set precedent in Japan despite all the people here parroting the lie). Which is why it's ridiculous those gamers keep attaching morality to their arguments when it's never been about morals.

Pretty much 90% here who wants Nintendo to get owned is because they either hate their hardware (hence the anger towards Nintendo's anti-piracy and anti-emulation policies), hate their prices (think they should have heavy discounts like Ubisoft), or hate their games (think their games suck therefore other companies should be allowed to steal their IP to "do a better job"). People might say they hate Nintendo for being litigious, but their lawsuits are all related to the aforementioned three points. Which just means it all comes back to those points and those are the real things people are throwing a tantrum over.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamergate-2-0-chuds-furious-about-a-consulting-company-named-%E2%80%9Csweet-baby-inc%E2%80%9D-which-overviews-scripts-to-make-sure-nothing-offensive-was-written.823731/page-188#post-139974867

Kind of hate the current situation with the Vtuber nazi getting what she wanted, despite of how obvious she is with her sharing white supremacist content now the usual chuds are pushing her crap and forcing the Vice article showing how much of piece of shit she is removed by threatening to sue for libel, despite using straight up clips of her being a white supremacist

Poor little Vice getting crushed by *checks notes* some chick with a 3D anime avatar who doesn't even have a particularly big following. Clearly she forced them with her billions to remove those articles. It's impossible that those articles were personal grievances aired through a journalistic outlet and should have never been published.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-dropping-sanctions-on-syria.1188210/page-2#post-139919457

User banned (1 week): inflammatory accusations toward other users

I guess Biden was eating crackers. Don't hurt yourself by running to join MAGA.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lets-put-it-to-a-vote-do-jrpg-mean-country-of-origin-or-style-of-game.1187238/page-26#post-139948179

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Point of Comparison; Account in Junior Phase

.... yo I'm literally talking about the label/tagging system in that post you quoted unless you wanna present me the data to disprove that people are using the tagging system and the reason why I think it qualifies as useful or why explaining what other term you rather use for things that happen vs reality you're having some weirdass discussion on your own that I'm not interested in, go off I guess.

I'm not interested or disputing any fucking discussion on why anyone of yall think the term is bad. I don't care, I never joined that discussion.

This is the only part I dispute. The system is in use, is useful or whatever other term you wanna use for something being in use and aiding towards a purpose.
It's a thing that happens, I call it reality you can call it whatever else. I've outlined the range of my argument if you wanna discuss something else I'm not the right person I responded in that post about something specific that's all.

What? Lol.

I said your arguments are pure positivism because you are saying your personal observation is reality. This is like tagging Islam with terrorism based on your subjective observations and passing it off as objective reality because a lot of people identify Islam with terrorism, hence it's useful to tag them together, despite multiple people telling you this is completely based on your personal biased observation, is contradicted by evidence and, furthermore, is discriminatory.

[Boredfrom]

It's not even hyperbole, gamers really do prioritize game pricing, fun and hardware specs over anything else.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/india-has-launched-strikes-on-pakistan-and-pakistan-administered-kashmir.1182669/page-13#post-139811217

User banned (2 weeks): inflammatory commentary

It is perfectly reasonable to call Pakistan a terror state. If its own people are suffering due to said terrorism, then maybe the military should stop enabling, protecting and arming terror groups. Pakistan's history of doing so is extensive and well documented. I'm Indian but very anti-Modi and there is no equivalence between India and Pakistan in this case.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/12-year-old-boy-left-alone-on-sidewalk-after-ice-kidnaps-the-person-they-were-with-in-massachusetts.1188462/#post-139948797

User banned (1 Month): Advocating Doxxing

Is there a way to find out ICE agents identities, dox them and hit them at their own homes?

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/12-year-old-boy-left-alone-on-sidewalk-after-ice-kidnaps-the-person-they-were-with-in-massachusetts.1188462/#post-139948797

User banned (1 Month): Advocating Doxxing

Is there a way to find out ICE agents identities, dox them and hit them at their own homes?

That's where they suddenly draw a line? 

Your own Hecht doxxed the GOG guy, but I guess a tweet is a far bigger issue than people being detained on the street

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/palworld-dev-pocketpair-has-shared-a-statement-explaining-changes-made-to-the-game-due-to-the-pokemon-nintendo-lawsuit.1183920/page-17#post-139810674

Hey, at least Nintendo is not actively supporting genocide like Microsoft!

Of course this only matters if you care about that, but still!

Okay, but I found this random tweet:

oh my god he's perfect I trust whatever he says:

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lets-put-it-to-a-vote-do-jrpg-mean-country-of-origin-or-style-of-game.1187238/page-26#post-139948179

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Point of Comparison; Account in Junior Phase

.... yo I'm literally talking about the label/tagging system in that post you quoted unless you wanna present me the data to disprove that people are using the tagging system and the reason why I think it qualifies as useful or why explaining what other term you rather use for things that happen vs reality you're having some weirdass discussion on your own that I'm not interested in, go off I guess.

I'm not interested or disputing any fucking discussion on why anyone of yall think the term is bad. I don't care, I never joined that discussion.

This is the only part I dispute. The system is in use, is useful or whatever other term you wanna use for something being in use and aiding towards a purpose.
It's a thing that happens, I call it reality you can call it whatever else. I've outlined the range of my argument if you wanna discuss something else I'm not the right person I responded in that post about something specific that's all.

What? Lol.

I said your arguments are pure positivism because you are saying your personal observation is reality. This is like tagging Islam with terrorism based on your subjective observations and passing it off as objective reality because a lot of people identify Islam with terrorism, hence it's useful to tag them together, despite multiple people telling you this is completely based on your personal biased observation, is contradicted by evidence and, furthermore, is discriminatory.

Just because something is used doesn't mean it's useful

That's some big  shit right there. 

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/12-year-old-boy-left-alone-on-sidewalk-after-ice-kidnaps-the-person-they-were-with-in-massachusetts.1188462/#post-139948797

User banned (1 Month): Advocating Doxxing

Is there a way to find out ICE agents identities, dox them and hit them at their own homes?

That's where they suddenly draw a line? 

Your own Hecht doxxed the GOG guy, but I guess a tweet is a far bigger issue than people being detained on the street

Can I point out that they banned the guy for "advocating" doxxing, a non-crime (especially for cops), but not attacking federal agents at their homes.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/anyone-remember-when-ben-affleck-completely-owned-bill-maher-and-sam-harris-on-their-islamophobia.1186278/page-2#post-139823625

User banned (1 month): Islamophobic commentary over a series of posts

---I guess you don't follow Harris so you're not aware he's an anti-woke, transphobic, racist, Islamophobic (can I cram anything more in here)? piece of shit, and you shouldn't draw up conclusions of his opinions based on a minute clip. And you probably shouldn't ask others to do your homework for you either.

It's not up to me to prove something to be true that another poster has claimed. The onus is on them. Also, it has absolutely nothing to do with an argument from 10 years ago.

I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone with people here blindly defending the Islamic faith. Would anyone do the same for Christianity? No, of course not. It's been awhile since I had a discussion on this so I had to do some browsing on Wikipedia and here are a couple aspects that jump out:

• Shari'a law and particularly how this relates to women (ie. encouraging domestic violence, acceptance of marriage between very young girls and older men, far fewer rights for women, etc.)
  
• The concept of Jihad as a war that should be waged against non-Muslims (yes, some theologians have translated this as an inner struggle but just as many have taken it to directly mean a physical war)
  
• "Blasphemy" and the punishment for engaging in it (ie. a majority of Islamic countries have incredibly harsh sentences for visual depictions of the prophet)
  

I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that, for example, Judaism or Hinduism have teachings that are as restrictive towards women as the Islamic faith.

[killamajig]

Why is everyone in love with this guy? Am I out if touch?

[benji]

I love that they're so dumb that they think it's doxxing and some kind of elaborate thing to look up government employees. I'm sure ICE is probably considered "national security" so you can't just request a giant list of all the agents from a website like you can every other department but you know who could do this and feed it to the #Resistance? Literally anyone in the government. Any Squad member. Probably any mainstream media member. Probably any ICE contractor like oh, I don't know, Microsoft.

Probably wouldn't even be a federal crime in many instances, especially if it was just like a name dump to a text file with nothing else. Doesn't seem like something to worry about if your next step is the super federal crime of violence against federal agents at their homes.

[nachobro]

That’s it, really. It’s out of my system and out in the wild. To be clear: I don’t want or need anyone’s sympathy or compassion. I don’t care how people end up interpreting this article — I imagine my prospects in games journalism outside of “Nu/Zombie Waypoint” aren’t great one way or the other anyway. But until this outlet’s final, dying gasp, we’ll continue feeding y’all cool indie games. I’ll keep boosting and gassing up this team because they have earned and perpetually deserve nothing less than full support.

Is the road ahead rife with algorithm-pleasing fluff? Unfortunately, yes. But at least we choose how we do it. The day we stop being able to choose is the day we truly do become a shambling, soulless husk of an outlet.

this dude really trying his hardest to be bootleg austin walker, with the pretending to be in the trenches while writing about a media for children. however hes too dumb to pad his writing with nonsense fluff words like walker does

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lets-put-it-to-a-vote-do-jrpg-mean-country-of-origin-or-style-of-game.1187238/page-26#post-139948179

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Point of Comparison; Account in Junior Phase

.... yo I'm literally talking about the label/tagging system in that post you quoted unless you wanna present me the data to disprove that people are using the tagging system and the reason why I think it qualifies as useful or why explaining what other term you rather use for things that happen vs reality you're having some weirdass discussion on your own that I'm not interested in, go off I guess.

I'm not interested or disputing any fucking discussion on why anyone of yall think the term is bad. I don't care, I never joined that discussion.

This is the only part I dispute. The system is in use, is useful or whatever other term you wanna use for something being in use and aiding towards a purpose.
It's a thing that happens, I call it reality you can call it whatever else. I've outlined the range of my argument if you wanna discuss something else I'm not the right person I responded in that post about something specific that's all.

What? Lol.

I said your arguments are pure positivism because you are saying your personal observation is reality. This is like tagging Islam with terrorism based on your subjective observations and passing it off as objective reality because a lot of people identify Islam with terrorism, hence it's useful to tag them together, despite multiple people telling you this is completely based on your personal biased observation, is contradicted by evidence and, furthermore, is discriminatory.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/anyone-remember-when-ben-affleck-completely-owned-bill-maher-and-sam-harris-on-their-islamophobia.1186278/page-2#post-139823625

User banned (1 month): Islamophobic commentary over a series of posts

---I guess you don't follow Harris so you're not aware he's an anti-woke, transphobic, racist, Islamophobic (can I cram anything more in here)? piece of shit, and you shouldn't draw up conclusions of his opinions based on a minute clip. And you probably shouldn't ask others to do your homework for you either.

It's not up to me to prove something to be true that another poster has claimed. The onus is on them. Also, it has absolutely nothing to do with an argument from 10 years ago.

I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone with people here blindly defending the Islamic faith. Would anyone do the same for Christianity? No, of course not. It's been awhile since I had a discussion on this so I had to do some browsing on Wikipedia and here are a couple aspects that jump out:

• Shari'a law and particularly how this relates to women (ie. encouraging domestic violence, acceptance of marriage between very young girls and older men, far fewer rights for women, etc.)
  
• The concept of Jihad as a war that should be waged against non-Muslims (yes, some theologians have translated this as an inner struggle but just as many have taken it to directly mean a physical war)
  
• "Blasphemy" and the punishment for engaging in it (ie. a majority of Islamic countries have incredibly harsh sentences for visual depictions of the prophet)
  

I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that, for example, Judaism or Hinduism have teachings that are as restrictive towards women as the Islamic faith.

NOT OKAY: Criticizing core tenets of Islam.
ALSO NOT OKAY: Saying Muslims aren't all terrorists or that Islam isn't intrinsically terroristic.

[Steven Snell]

I hope this post isn't inappropriate. Last night a reply to me in another thread made me think of something I hadn't really thought of before; a T&A game, a fighting game to be exact, specifically made and for wlw and lesbians in mind by women; like say Dead or Alive if it was made by women for the enjoyment of women.

It's a sentiment I've seen from other wlw women before when I've discussed fighting games, some women do like sexualized characters, some women love the idea of dressing like that and feel empowered by it. I don't think their is anything wrong with that, I love Morrigan and would love to cosplay as her, I love Anna Williams and Manon would love to be able to dress like them, to have that body and feel proud and comfortable. For me, these characters have the every right to exist. Personally my issue is that they shouldn't be the only options, like not everyone should be Catwoman if that makes sense (and they shouldn't be objectified for men either) and being sexy/attractive should not be a requirement for every women in games.

There are women who do love that sort of thing, wlw and lesbians who are great people and would love an all-women fighting game made for their enjoyment, the same way I'd love an all-woman fighting that was gothic knights and warriors or monster ladies. It's not something I may ever play myself, but I do think their should be games for all women and shouldn't feel shamed for it.

Like you can argue in the case of fighting games those already exist like the already mentioned Dead of Alive or SNK's SNK Heroines; but at least from my perspective, those games are pretty clearly pushing titillation and enjoyment for men (one of the reasons why had to stop playing DOA was because it go too much) and while lesbians and wlw can enjoy that, it's not the same as stuff made for wlw and lesbians by lesbians and wlw.

And this is the part that I was worried about posting, as I've mentioned before, I get great joy reading wholesome wlw fan art but occasionally, in part because of a few of the artists I follow also draw them, looking into the more sexual and adult wlw fan art (not necessarily porn) and you can tell that it's made by women because... I don't know how to describe it that isn't just vibes; there's a lack of leeriness and just attitudes you see and feel in art and stories drawn & written by men or for men (and in my experience, often just has a more fun, loving and companionate feeling to it)... I feel like I'm doing a terrible job explaining this.

What I'm trying to say is that a DOA for lesbians and wlw by lesbians and wlw) wouldn't feel them same (at least for women) wouldn't feel the same. My wonder is could that game even get made in this gaming climate without compromise for executives or companies? Like for example one of the reasons I've never clicked with Bayonetta is that she felt compromised, especially in the first game, like she was designed by a women, but was directed and filmed by a man if that makes sense?

Like I said it's not something I'd play, but I get why other wlw and lesbian would and they should be have the game they want, made by people who care about their wants.

There is also something else, as I've mentioned before, I've often felt like a hypocrite for liking Anna and Morrigan while pushing against objectification and sexualization of women in gaming, better diversity etc, like I'm part of the problem. As I've become more comfortable as I've realized I'm a lesbian and more open with liking women like Manon, part of the reason why I posted that Manon thread... But there is one character that I've felt embarrassed to admit that I like, that I'd be looked down because her design because it is pretty unjustifiable (not helped by giving her lines at time that do that "You're bad if you criticize my clothing choice!" men writers do to justify their hyper sexualized characters and it always comes across as insecure, awkward and stiff) or men would call me out and dismiss anything I had to say about objectification.

The character is Makoto from BlazBlue (edit: Just realized she's been my avatar, I forgot I added her to it)

 

She was my favourite character when I played BlazBlue (stopped because the series got, like with DOA too much for me), I loved her personality, loved her English voice by Cindy Robinson, I think her friendship and protectiveness of Noel was sweet and adorable (and the type of friendship I wish I had growing up), she was just fun to play as and I love she Queer (and flirts and is attracted to the series trans character, Mai Natsume) and specifically designed to be wlw (she was created in response to deciding to make Tsubaki Yayoi straight during development). But I feel embarrassed to say that because... Well she's so sexualized and objectified, even more so then most DOA characters, worse because in cutscenes, she has a jacket that she removes during fights:


Just wanted to admit that since it's been nagging at me for quite some time.

Really sorry if this is inappropriate or if I've bothered users here. I thought of making this it's own thread but was worried about people treating is as a joke or be weird about.

And sorry for being so ramblely.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-459#post-139971984

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I don't think it's weird at all. There are times I think some sexualized characters are actually quite cute. I often think of Midna from Twilight Princess. She's definitely supposed to be hot and a bit male gaze-y, but I absolutely adore her. Hell, some Sailor Moon characters are sexualized, but that doesn't stop me from thinking the Starlights are awesome. I actually like 2B's outfit from Automata. I just hate that she's been boiled down to riped clothes and other characters from that game. I think it's okay to like problematic things, but what annoys me is when people downplay it or straight up justifies the way women look as if we would *always* choose to be skimpy or want men to look at us 24/7.

I'm a bisexual woman that criticized lots of characters, and yet, a hot pirate woman makes me weak.

I've mentioned before in this thread how generally I'm not too bothered by sexualised character designs, and sometimes actually appreciate them to some degree (maybe not even necessarily how they're sexualised, but their outfits or overall design), so I don't think it's weird at all. I think for me at least, how the character is portrayed and treated is what's most important. A character having "agency" (obviously they can't have actual "agency" due to being fictional, so I use this loosely) and being well written can instantly make them a much more likeable character than one that isn't, even if they both have sexualised designs. Sexualised characters that are written as if they're oblivious to the fact they're hot, and/or otherwise written from a misogynistic perspective are much less appealing.

All this to say... I think sexualised character designs are fine as long as they're treated with respect, personally speaking of course.

[xiceman191]

how do we determine if a sexualized design is treated with respect?

[killamajig]

ResetEra Motto: "It's okay when we do it."

[Boredfrom]

how do we determine if a sexualized design is treated with respect?

When the right people like it.

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