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[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/two-years-ago-today-the-internet-broke-when-the-first-teaser-trailer-for-spider-man-no-way-home-released.756379/

A trailer.

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/two-years-ago-today-the-internet-broke-when-the-first-teaser-trailer-for-spider-man-no-way-home-released.756379/#post-110868559

Each MCU Spiderman movie just got progressively worse. And I imagine time won't be favorable to this one at all, especially once later generations have zero nostalgia for any of these Spidermen.

Saying No Way Home is worse than Far From Home is certainly a take.

So far, the film has held up very well. The reason it was so acclaimed and why the film works so well is specifically because the nostalgia isn't actually the core of the film. Much like Civil War is still a Captain America film at its core, No Way Home is still a Tom Holland Spidey film at its core.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/two-years-ago-today-the-internet-broke-when-the-first-teaser-trailer-for-spider-man-no-way-home-released.756379/#post-110868718

Movie was only good for nostalgia, and it cemented the fact that MCU spidey is by far the worst of them all. Tobey, Miles and Andrew >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom

The exact opposite actually! The movie was good because it was more then its nostalgia. Holland's story was the heart of the film and it cemented him as the best live action Spider-Man.

(Although that was already the case anyway. His introduction scene in Civil War alone felt more like Peter Parker than anything that came before.)

[Cauliflower Of Love]

The least they could have done is post the leaked trailer with the bad cg.

[Eric Cartman]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/walking-my-dog-and-the-lawns-of-other-people.756025/

...someone was pulling into their driveway as my dog was pooping on their lawn (which I always pick up). They asked me to have him not poop there. I told them I could try but there is no public grass or place for the dog to poop so he is going to go where he goes. They didn't like that answer and told me to have him poop on my own lawn.

...

Am I in the wrong here in any situation? I feel like these are all just libertarian/Republican chuds or something and I'm just getting unlucky because they are all old (most likely retired) white men with nothing better to do than yell at people who stray onto their lawn for two seconds.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/walking-my-dog-and-the-lawns-of-other-people.756025/page-18#post-110873914

I mean, at least in the US, you can easily get fence pieces to stake around the edge of your lawn on Amazon for like $30 for a pack of 10 pieces. It doesn't have to be a big construction project.

At the same time, though, while I personally am on the side of "dog's gonna go where it's gonna go, just pick up after it," it's really not hard to tug your pup a little on the walk so it'll go with you to the next yard. You might not be able to get them to move every single time, but there's no reason not to try, even if the homeowner's being rude about it.

[benji]

When are we putting Shapiro, Walsh, and many others in jail for inciting violence and causing these kind of attacks on people who just want to live their lives?

haha the cops arresting people for speech they don't like and throwing them in prison without trial is fucking based! I love when the police abuse minorities and establish a state where nobody can say anything without fear!

Hey, wait a minute, this joke feels familiar...

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-71-percent-of-trump-supporters-trust-him-more-than-close-friends-family-and-faith-leaders-yo-what-lol.755914/
entremetGPT

We all kinda knew this but shows the cult mentality more objectivity.

With this and white evangelicals rejecting Jesus’s core teachings, this was the endgame it appears.

Uh, isn't ResetERA.com a place where they tell you to trust strangers on the internet more than friends, family and faith leaders?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tomorrow%E2%80%99s-the-first-republican-debate-queer-folks-mind-your-self-care.756199/
Fat Royalan

So, tomorrow is the official start of the Bigot Clown Show, the first Republican National Debate.

Let’s not act brand new, we already know what it’s going to be. Hatred and division, with a focus on racial minorities, the poor, and Queer people. And, as we’ve seen, a particular focus on Trans individuals.

So, to those who are targeted, and Trans folks in particular: just know that you are loved, you are worthy. And you don’t have to subject yourself to the events of tomorrow (of the fallout of tomorrow’s events).

It will be everywhere.

People will fail us.

But not everybody will.

I don’t know what I’m saying really other than…post beautiful things here. Post affirming things here. Post galvanizing things here.

I have no problem with Royalan's extreme obesity and homosexuality, but I draw the line at over the top narcissism. Jesus christ, get over yourselves.

[JoeBoy101]

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/walking-my-dog-and-the-lawns-of-other-people.756025/

...someone was pulling into their driveway as my dog was pooping on their lawn (which I always pick up). They asked me to have him not poop there. I told them I could try but there is no public grass or place for the dog to poop so he is going to go where he goes. They didn't like that answer and told me to have him poop on my own lawn.

...

Am I in the wrong here in any situation? I feel like these are all just libertarian/Republican chuds or something and I'm just getting unlucky because they are all old (most likely retired) white men with nothing better to do than yell at people who stray onto their lawn for two seconds.

The part I rolled my eyes at:

He is the type with a flood light over his garage that turns on at night on movement, a private property sign right next to it, and visible cameras.

Flood lights over the garage, a common if not standard exterior light fixture that they thoughtfully don’t have on all night, and have it linked to a motion sensor. Also, a visible camera, a rapidly common fixture homeowners have been adding between Ring cameras, Eufy, Arlo, or,otherwise.

Yeah, this guy is the asshole. I have my dog shit in the backyard before a walk.

[books]

So, to those who are targeted, and Trans folks in particular: just know that you are loved, you are worthy.

You might be loved and you might be worthy if you're not an asshole, ya know, like the rest of the population. However, seeing how they behave online, I'm guessing that's how they are in real life, so they're a lost cause.

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-71-percent-of-trump-supporters-trust-him-more-than-close-friends-family-and-faith-leaders-yo-what-lol.755914/page-5



wait a second, though...

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-71-percent-of-trump-supporters-trust-him-more-than-close-friends-family-and-faith-leaders-yo-what-lol.755914/page-4#post-110825167

You’re splitting hairs here.

I am not?

"71% of trump supporters trust him more than close friends" is a LOT different than "8% more trump supporters trust trump versus their friends & family"

Also the poll has a gigantic 7.2pt deviation so it realistically could be 70% trust friends and family and 64% trust Trump. Would you say then that 70% of Trump supporters trust their friends and family more than Trump?

I am not saying there is nothing to be learned from the survey, I am simply stating that the initial conclusion provided is way off base.

Damn you're right, that chart is 100% different from what the title implies lol. There's no logical way to get from this to the title, oops.

Not accounting for the given margin of error (which is huge), the most extreme possible scenario is those 29% of people who said "no" to Trump said "yes" to Friends & Family. That leaves 34%/63% trusting Trump and Friends, 37%/63% trusting Trump and not Friends; or 58.7% of people who trust Trump don't trust their Friends & Family... in a hypothetical most extreme scenario.

Which is still pretty bad, but far from the title and requires a massive assumption.

Also, I haven't seen the methodology, but I imagine the question of "Do you identify as a Trump Voter" is a leading question that influences what you answer for "do you think he's telling the truth", or the other way around too. So that's an issue.

Title of the article:

Trump voters trust him more than their families, religious leaders: poll

And Axios is not alone here. Personally I can see this interpretation. It is a comparison.

Title of the thread at current moment:

So 71 percent of Trump supporters trust him more than close friends, family, and faith leaders. Yo, what lol

The article title is right though, barring MOE

What’s the difference? It’s the same idea.

Wait, are you for real? I spent all that time typing out the massive difference lol

I read it. Guess we just disagree. I get it’s a poll. Framing matters. Still a very disturbing picture. Politicians are rarely trusted verbally.

The context added in the article, partly reproduced in the OP, explains it pretty well:

"Among those who plan to vote for Trump, 71% feel that what he tells them is true — higher than the results for friends and family (63%), conservative media figures (56%) or religious leaders (42%)."

The title is fine, it's the most succinct way to describe this sentence, and accurately captures the essence of it.

 

Ya. The title of this thread is misleading. The survey simply doesn't say what it says.

Thread title is a straight up misinterpretation, not really any room for debate or disagreement here.

...but wait!

let's look at this article closer:

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/21/trump-republican-2024-voters-poll



click it:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-poll-indictments-2023-08-20/

scroll to the actual poll at the bottom of the article, via scribd:

https://www.scribd.com/document/666053809/cbs-20230820-SUN#



belief in friends and family is highest, above trump

where the fuck is the 71% number from



you can look through the whole document and there is nothing that indicates people believe trump more than friends and family

so not only is era lying about what the poll means, but the actual news story is lying about its own results

 

[Besticus Maximus]

For anyone who has suffered persecution because they profess the single truth, know that you are righteous and among brothers, and it is the mark of your sufferance under their tortures and maladies that brings communion with the ultimate reality

[benji]

where the fuck is the 71% number from

you can look through the whole document and there is nothing that indicates people believe trump more than friends and family

so not only is era lying about what the poll means, but the actual news story is lying about its own results

Crosstabs, the headline provides the clue. The question you looked at is all Republican primary voters, the 71% is just Trump supporters probably. Trump supporters are only ~60% of Republican primary voters based on the polls currently. That said I also noticed that "friends and family" is a single option. 

The posters in that thread looking at it skeptically are the most accurate ones but they aren't looking at it skeptically enough. Let me add another key component, let's say you're a Trump supporter, so you trust Trump inherently, but your friends and family are half Democrats, you might trust your non-Democrat friends and family completely but you obviously would not trust the Democrat ones over Trump. This should be obvious to ResetERA.com where they tell you to cut off any friend or family member who does not support you exactly as you want.

[Eric Cartman]

So, to those who are targeted, and Trans folks in particular: just know that you are loved, you are worthy.

You might be loved and you might be worthy if you're not an asshole, ya know, like the rest of the population. However, seeing how they behave online, I'm guessing that's how they are in real life, so they're a lost cause.

or were at the capitol on jan 6th, in which case enjoy the prison rape and feel lucky you didnt get executed you irredeemable piece of shit!

[Eric Cartman]

Since pretty much the 40s the capitalist class has been financing the entirety of mainstream media through ads or outright buying these companies, all because they fear the rise of socialism and a workers revolt because they know they are outnumbered pretty much 99 to 1. Remember that the rise of socialist ideas made rich people flock to facism to placate unions and workers, the literal same is happening right now where you have fascist violence on the streets and capitalist realism on mainstream and social media.

Fascism is a tool of capitalism and not the other way around, i will always side-eye anyone that puts capitalism and fascism as opposites.

I'd posit they finance the media through advertising because they want to sell their shit to people, and the drift to 'stories' and 'personalities' over pure reportage is that more people want a source of entertainment than pure information, and advertisers like popular things to reach more people through.

I'd further posit the rise of mainstream media as a medium is down to that investment, its not something that just happens organically, and that state sponsored propaganda isn't a no brainer obviously better alternative

[Uncle]

where the fuck is the 71% number from

you can look through the whole document and there is nothing that indicates people believe trump more than friends and family

so not only is era lying about what the poll means, but the actual news story is lying about its own results

Crosstabs, the headline provides the clue. The question you looked at is all Republican primary voters, the 71% is just Trump supporters probably. Trump supporters are only ~60% of Republican primary voters based on the polls currently. That said I also noticed that "friends and family" is a single option. 

The posters in that thread looking at it skeptically are the most accurate ones but they aren't looking at it skeptically enough. Let me add another key component, let's say you're a Trump supporter, so you trust Trump inherently, but your friends and family are half Democrats, you might trust your non-Democrat friends and family completely but you obviously would not trust the Democrat ones over Trump. This should be obvious to ResetERA.com where they tell you to cut off any friend or family member who does not support you exactly as you want.

nope, the 53% is just Trump supporters:



it's all there

they're claiming these numbers in the article and at the top of the graph it says source yougov poll performed on this date and the poll is embedded at the bottom of the article, the article which purports to explain and break down the poll's findings

there is no 71% anywhere in the document that refers to belief in what trump says, nor numbers that add up to 71%

benji plz

[benji]

No, that's Trump voters in 2020. Which is 89% of the sample, which is about what you'd expect from potential Republican primary voters since Trump was the Republican nominee. Question 13 shows Trump supporters in 2024 which is 62%.

[benji]

Since pretty much the 40s the capitalist class has been financing the entirety of mainstream media through ads or outright buying these companies, all because they fear the rise of socialism and a workers revolt because they know they are outnumbered pretty much 99 to 1. Remember that the rise of socialist ideas made rich people flock to facism to placate unions and workers, the literal same is happening right now where you have fascist violence on the streets and capitalist realism on mainstream and social media.

Fascism is a tool of capitalism and not the other way around, i will always side-eye anyone that puts capitalism and fascism as opposites.

I'd posit they finance the media through advertising because they want to sell their shit to people, and the drift to 'stories' and 'personalities' over pure reportage is that more people want a source of entertainment than pure information, and advertisers like popular things to reach more people through.

In their conspiracy theory people want to watch socialist propaganda but the unified capitalist class organizes to ensure that nothing but capitalist propaganda is shown. The idea that all of these companies are independently trying to sell products to the most eyeballs possible can't be the truth because that means there's no organized conspiracy. No, they must be unified and working for evil.

The last part is hilarious, nothing says capitalism like the state ordering all of the economy to serve the state's interests only. Fascists waxing lyrically about syndicalism, autarky, and self-sufficiency against the evils of free trade, bankers, corrupt consumerism, problematic media, etc. is just proof that they really secretly love free mutual trade among citizens even if the state's desires aren't met.

[Uncle]

No, that's Trump voters in 2020. Which is 89% of the sample, which is about what you'd expect from potential Republican primary voters since Trump was the Republican nominee. Question 13 shows Trump supporters in 2024 which is 62%.

doesn't question 13 represent the same data?



of the people who voted for trump in 2020:

• 62% of them would vote for him in the primary in 2024
  
• 53% of them believe what he says
  
• 58% of them believe what friends and family say
  

are you saying that there is secret info not represented in the poll anywhere which they used to make their graph? the graph that says it cites the poll which doesn't contain that 71% belief in trump anywhere?

[benji]

doesn't question 13 represent the same data?

You've circled two separate groups. 62% Trump supporters is the entire sample, 66% Trump supporters is the 2020 Trump vote, which is not the entire sample as some voted for Biden or third party.

are you saying that there is secret info not represented in the poll anywhere which they used to make their graph? the graph that says it cites the poll which doesn't contain that 71% belief in trump anywhere?

Yes. You're looking at the wrong crosstab, the crosstab I'm talking about is not in the PDF but they can see it in the data. The 71% would be 2024 Trump supporters, not 2020 Trump voters. These are two different groups.

The entire sample is potential Republican primary voters. Of these 89% voted for Trump in 2020, 62% support Trump in 2024. You need a crosstab of only the latter group and there should be the 71% number for trusting Trump.

[Uncle]

thanks for trying to explain to me, sometimes my brain doesn't know things

The 71% would be 2024 Trump supporters, not 2020 Trump voters. These are two different groups.

but their graph in the article does literally say trump voters

[benji]

but their graph in the article does literally say trump voters

They probably mean 2024 Trump primary voters, I'm not saying they aren't being shady and misleading just that it's not implausible.

Actually, I can do the math for you on this, it's not complicated, we have 536 in the sample so you just have to do:
.62 * 536 = 332
So, 536-332 = 204. 
Then .53 = ((332 * .71) + (204 * x))/536 and solve for x to find out how much 2024 non-Trump supporters trust Trump. I rounded but it's ~24%.

This makes sense to me, Trump supporters really trust him which is why they still support him and the rest of the sample don't support him because they don't trust him. This leads to only about half the Republican primary voters in general trusting Trump. 

If you look at the chart they made, Trump supporters trust friends and family at 63%, while the entire sample is only 58%, this means Trump supporters actually trust friends and family more than non-Trump supporters!

[Eric Cartman]

but their graph in the article does literally say trump voters

Its because its Big Capitalism pushing their fascist agenda - you would only get 100% truthfacts under space communist media

[benji]

In fact, look at the charts:



Trump supporters trust Trump, friends/family and conservative media more than the sample. They trust religious leaders less.

Both the thread and story frames this completely differently even though they seem to be more trusting in general!

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-71-percent-of-trump-supporters-trust-him-more-than-close-friends-family-and-faith-leaders-yo-what-lol.755914/page-5



wait a second, though...

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-71-percent-of-trump-supporters-trust-him-more-than-close-friends-family-and-faith-leaders-yo-what-lol.755914/page-4#post-110825167

You’re splitting hairs here.

I am not?

"71% of trump supporters trust him more than close friends" is a LOT different than "8% more trump supporters trust trump versus their friends & family"

Also the poll has a gigantic 7.2pt deviation so it realistically could be 70% trust friends and family and 64% trust Trump. Would you say then that 70% of Trump supporters trust their friends and family more than Trump?

I am not saying there is nothing to be learned from the survey, I am simply stating that the initial conclusion provided is way off base.

Damn you're right, that chart is 100% different from what the title implies lol. There's no logical way to get from this to the title, oops.

Not accounting for the given margin of error (which is huge), the most extreme possible scenario is those 29% of people who said "no" to Trump said "yes" to Friends & Family. That leaves 34%/63% trusting Trump and Friends, 37%/63% trusting Trump and not Friends; or 58.7% of people who trust Trump don't trust their Friends & Family... in a hypothetical most extreme scenario.

Which is still pretty bad, but far from the title and requires a massive assumption.

Also, I haven't seen the methodology, but I imagine the question of "Do you identify as a Trump Voter" is a leading question that influences what you answer for "do you think he's telling the truth", or the other way around too. So that's an issue.

Title of the article:

Trump voters trust him more than their families, religious leaders: poll

And Axios is not alone here. Personally I can see this interpretation. It is a comparison.

Title of the thread at current moment:

So 71 percent of Trump supporters trust him more than close friends, family, and faith leaders. Yo, what lol

The article title is right though, barring MOE

What’s the difference? It’s the same idea.

Wait, are you for real? I spent all that time typing out the massive difference lol

I read it. Guess we just disagree. I get it’s a poll. Framing matters. Still a very disturbing picture. Politicians are rarely trusted verbally.

They broke the chat ai entremetGPT 

[benji]

Oh god, what happened to all the quote titles when I edited that down.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-71-percent-of-trump-supporters-trust-him-more-than-close-friends-family-and-faith-leaders-yo-what-lol.755914/page-4#post-110830855
hachikoma

it's not a cult. they're not nuts. it's fascism. they're fascists.

Three posts later from a different user

We'll, yeah. It's a cult.

[benji]

Fascism is pretty fucking culty ideologically.

[Uncle]

We'll, yeah.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-71-percent-of-trump-supporters-trust-him-more-than-close-friends-family-and-faith-leaders-yo-what-lol.755914/page-5#post-110842900

i cannot believe that in 2023 peeps still believe poll results. People lie in polls for shits and gigs all the time because it's 1) anonymous 2) meaningless and 3) easy. Peeps do it w/ Era polls all the time. LOL

[Venice]

I've been thinking, and I've changed my mind regarding these online loonies. Every time I use a false pronoun for their sake, I die a little inside because I know it's a lie. Now, I'm willing to die a little inside for a family member or friend, but for these online message board lunatics who don't exist in my real life and will hate me anyway just because I don't think kids should be getting life-altering surgeries? Nah, not willing to die inside for these folks anymore. At most, I'll use the individual's name. At most. Not gonna use false pronouns anymore, and I'm not gonna use "they" since it's a crime against language clarity. I just realized every time I lied for them, I hated myself for it and those folks would just scream at me anyway.

Very nicely said Pogi. I agree with every word you said and also have this to add for myself.

I used to be very supportive of trans people. I still am. But I would never 'stick my neck out for them' or be an 'ally' like they want, for one simple reason:

I am scared of them.

I am scared with how quickly they turn on people and go out of their way to destroy their lives if someone says so much as one thing that they regard as 'transphobia'. Even if you're a minor online celebrity, all it takes is a poor choice of words, and cunts like Excelsiorf will instantly make a thread ridiculing you. What makes me even more scared is how quickly they turn on their own. We've all seen how they have torn into folks like Blaire White, Contrapoints and supporters such as Lindsay Ellis. They don't hesitate to throw anyone under the bus.

If they can't be an ally to their own kind, why should they expect normal straight people to go out and bat for them?

More importantly... if they can't respect the rights of biological women, why should their rights be equally respected?

Like just about everyone on this forum, I'm not a transphobe. But I sure as fuck ain't gonna go out and be vocally supportive of them knowing full well they can turn on me, or my friends, at any time.

[benji]

I wouldn't be scared of them, like most totalitarians they're harmless and hilariously impotent until they actually acquire power.

Since we're all engaged in constant vigilance in the cause of liberty there's nothing to fear in that regard.

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