Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Polident]

Kids will always find some dumb challenge to do. Like that cinnamon one from a few years back. Or surfing on trains.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

If you'll excuse me, I have plans tonight. Benji is live streaming his "meat washing". 

[Taco Bell Tower]

...can we not jump to banning a spicy chip because of a dumb kid?

What an awful take. I guess AOC is a dipshit too then?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/teen-dies-after-participating-in-spicy-‘one-chip-challenge’.761022/page-2

That was like two years ago, why the Hell is he bringing that up 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/teen-dies-after-participating-in-spicy-%E2%80%98one-chip-challenge%E2%80%99.761022/page-2#post-111545709
Chance Hale

100% something else, but get your generic rage in before the real(drug) reason comes out

Edit: drunk just read someone dying from a spicy chip and said it was something else. Sorry total idiot move
Last edited: 44 minutes ago

TheGummyBear

A black kid dies and your immediate assumption is that he died of a drug OD?

Yeah, not going to lie, you earned a lot of side eye from me for that.

Chance Hale

Didnt know he was black but a spicy chip isn't going to do that. Maybe I'm an asshole but in a day or two this thread will be a joke

Sorry I'm drunk and misread the original thing. Total fuckup on my part. No excuse but sorry just read someone dying from a spicy chip and said yeah clearly not that.

Sorry everyone

Dude's fucked once NepNep wakes up

[Nintex]

Poor kid. Reading the article it seems unlikely the chip killed him though.

[Eric Cartman]

I'm going to say this and then I'm done. If inferences can be used to justify something as a spoiler, the fact they can't be used the complete opposite way is incredibly telling.

Also, like I said before, some people have really wild ideas as to what justifies a spoiler. There's a reason we have solid rules: to avoid anyone taking their standard and forcing it on anyone else. We very clearly did not do that, we very clearly followed the rules as they were written and as we promised to enforce upon becoming mods. Everyone who has or is currently a mod has seen situations where some users have brigaded in order to get their way and we have historically tried not to be swayed from the rules just because.

This is a two year old game. The prior game had voice acting, a lot of voice acting actually. The direct prequel did not have a silent protagonist. The trailers literally said the Chozo were in the game. Anyone familiar with the franchise should have easily inferred that Samus can speak the language. The idea that this is a spoiler is indictive of the larger point being made: the idea of what constitutes a spoiler has gotten out of hand and has started to constitute things like trailers and promotional materials.

We are a discussion forum. In the section on spoilers it literally says we cannot let spoilers stand in the way of discussion past a reasonable point. As I have demonstrated, we're well past reasonable here. We are literally at the point where we are literally making appeals to pathos, not logos. Not ethos. But pathos, appeals to emotion.

When the law is on your side argue the law, if the facts are on your side argue the facts, if neither are on your side pound the table and yell as loud as you can.

We're at that third point here. The facts and the rules say it's not a spoiler, so we're making appeals to emotion. That kind of says it all.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have plans tonight. It's been interesting.

[Orange Juice Box]

Wait for a damn autopsy for the chip death.  Every time a minority is found hung in the closet or fentyl overdose they always blame it on some police conspiracy via exotic drugs

[benji]

The damage TikTok has done and is doing by presenting dangers as entertainment is unfathomable.

JFC, hope it gets pulled off store shelves.

Isn't it possible to die from shock due to these kinds of things? If it's such a disruption to your body it can shut things down.

Why is everyone ready to go to war to defend the chip's honor? If the doctors discover the chip played a role in his death then it should be pulled or more intensely regulated.

I have to wonder if the school is open for a lawsuit.

Sounds completely plausible for it to cause harm to a kid.

I actually wouldn't be against an age restriction on the chip though.

Damn, capsaicin can cause a heart attack. But some posters in this thread declare it’s not the issue. 🤔

The intense pain from it can cause heart issues and lead to death.

Heart attacks are definitely possible. Why is it being sold to a 14 yo?

How has this shit not been banned yet?

Someone's dead and there's literally dozens of examples of people being hospitalized because of it.

And before you get cute and bring up smoking or alcohol, those things don't regularly put people in the hospital after one single sip/smoke.

Hell, if people want to compare the chip to alcohol or smoking, those at least have strong regulations and the potential dangers are well known.

Yeah. Reading about a kid dying where the cause of death is potentially eating a chip. And…immediately jumping to a tortilla chip’s defense is pretty damn wild.

People completely healthy are getting hospitalized for this

Many schools have banned it. Seems logical for legislation to follow.

honestly if just one chip is potentially that dangerous to some people it shouldn’t be on the market.

Sounds like it, and if places like 7 11 and similar stores sell productsthat have a warning like "only for adult consumption" and "seek medical assistance if..." on the back, to children, they 100% share their part of the blame in what happened here.

There's kids in schools being hospitalized linked to this company.

There's no regulations. There should be. A waiver is a liability thing for the store. (Or the company)

There's plenty of safe guards that could be put in place for a product like this, that literally advertises itself with physical side effects, that fall below a blanket ban.

Exactly, it's really not so hard to figure out. You gotta remember that the reason certain plants are spicy in the first place is as a means of self-preservation. Capsaicin is essentially a natural pesticide, but for some reason we humans decided "Ohhh, tasty and fun!" when we first encountered it. It stands to reason that it could have detrimental effects in extremely high doses.

Considering the discussion of the element of toxic masculinity around the culture of eating extraordinarily spicy novelty foods, I can't help but wonder how that might play into the discussion of the topic itself. Like, the allocation of guilt to the people too weak to withstand the harm over the people who produce and profit of it, the distraction from the specific context of the case due to having supposedly eaten much hotter, the deflections from the topic by accusing others of being divorced from reality, and so on.

Never knew a chili could cause that :o damn.

Also, kids should not be eating this chip. I am surprised they are allow to be sold to minors. Thing is not safe and will make you sick if you cannot handle it.
If you have any health issues to not eat this chip people.

NOT boomers jumping to extreme conclusions off of half a story from the local news and "facts" random people are saying that everyone immediately starts repeating.

Also, stay safe:

Literally had one of these last week. Jesus.

[Besticus Maximus]

Taking cross sex hormones = not a single thing to worry about
eating doritos = makes you a dead nazi

[HardcoreRetro]

Who do you prefer? Schopenhauer? A guy who, if he were alive today, would be a wank dad grifter on twitter?

Immanuel Kunt, present-day Twitter (X) shitposter.

[benji]

If there is even a one percent chance that someone could die from eat hot chip and lie, then we have to take it as an absolute certainty. And we have to divest from capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy.

[Snoopy]

I was banned from creating a thread back in January because I said my pitiful trials compared to those currently struggling with far more than I am and I truly apologize if I hurt anyone in that thread I made. It definitely coincided with my alcohol addiction. I personally and I can back that up with me name, the hospital, and how so close to death I was documents. I want to create a thread that answers these problems. If you look me up I had the highest numbers and greatest chance of death from my disease. I do not want those to shrug off a disease that cuts their life in half. Admins Allow me to make a thread so people dealing with this like me can talk together.

 https://www.resetera.com/threads/smash-mouth-lead-steve-harwell-in-final-stage-of-liver-failure-update-passed-away.760653/page-9#post-111544446

[Besticus Maximus]

The biggest numbers, everyone said it, they couldn't believe it! They said 'sir, your numbers are so big, so bad, nobody can believe it' and it was true

[Hap Shaughnessy]

TheGummyBear

A black kid dies and your immediate assumption is that he died of a drug OD?

Yeah, not going to lie, you earned a lot of side eye from me for that.

Chance Hale

Didnt know he was black but a spicy chip isn't going to do that. Maybe I'm an asshole but in a day or two this thread will be a joke

https://www.resetera.com/threads/teen-dies-after-participating-in-spicy-%E2%80%98one-chip-challenge%E2%80%99.761022/page-2#post-111545667

User Banned (1 Month): Insensitive/Inflammatory Commentary; History of Inflammatory Commentary

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cm-punk-fired-from-all-elite-wrestling.760407/page-9#post-111449118

User Banned (3 Weeks): Trolling across a series of posts, history of bad faith posting in similar threads; propagating toxic masculinity

Imagine being fucking dumb and blaming perry for any of this. Punk shot on Adam page recently in front of thousands for literally zero reason and you don't see Adam storming backstage to find him. No one is above the company and this guy had to go. This guy is so toxic that not even wwe wants his ass. [/b]

The same Jack Perry, in which Tony Schiavone and other officials TOLD him not to use real glass for a spot and he cried like a bitch and they had to go to Punk to talk sense into the child? That same jack perry?

Meltzer really has his fans wrapped around his finger haha

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cm-punk-fired-from-all-elite-wrestling.760407/page-14#post-111453291

User Banned (2 Weeks): Trolling

I’ll ask y’all again, tell me an instance in a public venue for millions to see where a wrestler emasculated his boss in WWE.


This is about a boss that is in over his head that didn’t care what happened in public or behind the scenes because he always dreamt of being the owner of a wrestling company and thought he could do it through financial brute force and not having to actually lead or manage a company.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot37-your-friendly-neighborhood-ot.755938/page-83#post-111412794

User banned (2 weeks): Dismissing concerns around misogyny, whataboutisms

Please remember that this game's developers are misogynists and abusers. I don't know why people keep sidestepping around this fact. :(

This is a crazy logic to apply to gaming though. If the game is good, who has time to care?

That's not being dismissive or being a part of the problem. It's real life, you don't have control over things. You know how many assholes and bad people are responsible for the food you shop for? The clothes you wear? I mean we could really go down a rabbit hole, and don't give me the straw man argument.

A lot of people don't have room to care how something was created. If the game is amazing, yeah, folks can go out of their way to not praise the devs, but you can't realistically expect everyone to just not support the game cuz bad devs.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Eating a one time challenge chip id toxic masculinity?  Dayum

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot37-your-friendly-neighborhood-ot.755938/page-83#post-111412794

User banned (2 weeks): Dismissing concerns around misogyny, whataboutisms

Please remember that this game's developers are misogynists and abusers. I don't know why people keep sidestepping around this fact. :(

This is a crazy logic to apply to gaming though. If the game is good, who has time to care?

That's not being dismissive or being a part of the problem. It's real life, you don't have control over things. You know how many assholes and bad people are responsible for the food you shop for? The clothes you wear? I mean we could really go down a rabbit hole, and don't give me the straw man argument.

A lot of people don't have room to care how something was created. If the game is amazing, yeah, folks can go out of their way to not praise the devs, but you can't realistically expect everyone to just not support the game cuz bad devs.

At this point probably guaranteed that they'll ban Stellar Blade. Will just have to wait for the next trailer

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/teen-dies-after-participating-in-spicy-%E2%80%98one-chip-challenge%E2%80%99.761022/page-6#post-111561729

After a traumatic incident in my life I actually got diagnosed with water poisoning. I was literally over hydrated because I stress drank.

The Doctor Who regeneration?

[Boredfrom]

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot37-your-friendly-neighborhood-ot.755938/page-83#post-111412794

User banned (2 weeks): Dismissing concerns around misogyny, whataboutisms

Please remember that this game's developers are misogynists and abusers. I don't know why people keep sidestepping around this fact. :(

This is a crazy logic to apply to gaming though. If the game is good, who has time to care?

That's not being dismissive or being a part of the problem. It's real life, you don't have control over things. You know how many assholes and bad people are responsible for the food you shop for? The clothes you wear? I mean we could really go down a rabbit hole, and don't give me the straw man argument.

A lot of people don't have room to care how something was created. If the game is amazing, yeah, folks can go out of their way to not praise the devs, but you can't realistically expect everyone to just not support the game cuz bad devs.

Probably the reason why nobody is talking about the NikkexNierAutomata collaboration, given that is a game made by shift up. They at least passive aggressive acknowledge waifu gacha if is something they like.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cali-tech-workers-are-fleeing-texas-after-moving-there-citing-traffic-heat-and-lack-of-upward-job-opportunities.761175/

In this thread, people pretend that San Francisco is affordable.

[TylenolJones]

Mods try again to stop the political community from leaving. 

Since the conversation is getting dangerously close to oppression olympics in here, I'm going to share some general advice.

If you see people making bad faith comparisons trying to deflect away from the thread topic, the thing that would be most helpful for the moderation team, would be to report those comments rather than getting drawn in to trying to debate whether or not the actions of US (or whatever) are actually bad.

*Hypothetically* say there is a thread that has reached a few pages without any reports and the very first report that comes in, is one that appears to be downplaying a clear wrong the US has done. While it may be a good faith attempt at dealing with a bad faith actor, discussions here are read by far more people than the parties posting.

It can be easy to forget that and get lost in what you see as a back and forth between you and someone else. And while that person may not care at all about the issue they claim to care about, someone else reading it could have been personally affected by it and put in a good faith report.

My advice would be not to take the bait and let yourself get drawn into the 'whataboutism' the person brought up. For one, it's what that person is probably hoping for... to change the conversation. If you call the person out for trying to derail the topic away from the actual issue the thread is about, you highlight what they're actually trying to do. If we start seeing a lot of reports coming from one conversation it's going to get more moderators eyes on the thread, and it will help ensure that the entire conversation gets considered.

So the solution is to spam reports when being baited???


https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-1-kevins-no-good-very-bad-day.672442/page-366#post-111559899

[Boredfrom]

So, this morning, I got up two hours earlier than I needed to. With this new job I've been working for about two months now, my schedule shifted to a 8:30 start time, 30 minutes later then previous. I get my laundry done, take a shower, eat breakfast, feed the cat, clean up a bit, then head outside to my bus stop... only for my bus to not even be two blocks away before I realized I forgot my laptop (I work from home, and this is an office day). So now, instead of being anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes early, I'm going to be anywhere from 5 minutes early to 25 minutes late. Thankfully, I have accrued some time off, so I'ma take a MPSL day to get my shit together.

That might seem like a one-off instance of forgetfulness, but stuff like this happens often: I'll make the effort to focus & be productive, only to lose focus on something while thinking about something else. This happens with everything: sitting down to do homework for college, raiding in Final Fantasy XIV, doing chores, etc. I'll try to do something, and I'll just get lost in my own head & next thing I know, hours have past & nothing got done. If I'm doing something intensive like raiding in XIV, I'll try so hard to focus that I end up being unfocused & being a hindrance to my party.

And to top it all off, I feel like it's getting worse as I age. I think it makes me look like an idiot amongst my peers, even though I don't really think I'm an idiot. I'm not really sure what to do about it, so I have an appointment scheduled this week to see if I can get a diagnosis for Adult ADHD, or at least a referral to a mental health professional who can officially diagnose. Because I feel like I'm going to flunk out of school or lose my job because I'm just a forgetful moron, despite my best attempts not to be.

Anyways, I'm curious to see if anyone else has ADHD & what you did to mitigate it.

Don’t worry, you are.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-think-i-have-adult-adhd-its-destroying-my-life.761154/

[Eric Cartman]

Mods try again to stop the political community from leaving. 

Since the conversation is getting dangerously close to oppression olympics in here, I'm going to share some general advice.

If you see people making bad faith comparisons trying to deflect away from the thread topic, the thing that would be most helpful for the moderation team, would be to report those comments rather than getting drawn in to trying to debate whether or not the actions of US (or whatever) are actually bad.

*Hypothetically* say there is a thread that has reached a few pages without any reports and the very first report that comes in, is one that appears to be downplaying a clear wrong the US has done. While it may be a good faith attempt at dealing with a bad faith actor, discussions here are read by far more people than the parties posting.

It can be easy to forget that and get lost in what you see as a back and forth between you and someone else. And while that person may not care at all about the issue they claim to care about, someone else reading it could have been personally affected by it and put in a good faith report.

My advice would be not to take the bait and let yourself get drawn into the 'whataboutism' the person brought up. For one, it's what that person is probably hoping for... to change the conversation. If you call the person out for trying to derail the topic away from the actual issue the thread is about, you highlight what they're actually trying to do. If we start seeing a lot of reports coming from one conversation it's going to get more moderators eyes on the thread, and it will help ensure that the entire conversation gets considered.

So the solution is to spam reports when being baited???


https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-1-kevins-no-good-very-bad-day.672442/page-366#post-111559899

Brigade a thread, and you either get some discordless shmuck banned, or the thread locked for giving jannies work to offset their power tripping due to a high volume of reports.

It's a Win-Win and you get to shut down a discussion you don't like either way

[HaughtyFrank]

TheHunter being banned sucks dearly, but denying that genocide does happen in this country via cops or even legislation (we have a pinned thread in EtcetERA for a reason) was just colossally dumb. And trying to defend that rhetoric is just a poor choice.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-1-kevins-no-good-very-bad-day.672442/post-111544302

If you repeat something often enough it becomes true

[Eric Cartman]

Yea, this always happens in the OT forum. Bad-faith arguments about Dems, Biden, and what not.

Saying that while US is far better than China when it comes to human rights is not "dismissive commentary".

I assume it's the way he dismissed others talking about just how awful the US is on human rights currently and historically? I'm not sure.

I don't know that we can say the US is "far better" honestl

China has nets in its factories to reduce suicides, US has eng-lit grads unable to sell their Original Character Do Not Steal self-inserts and begrudgingly doing hack jobs on capeshit demanding rent-seeking in perpetuity, who's to honestly say one treats people better than another?

[Boredfrom]

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TheHunter being banned sucks dearly, but denying that genocide does happen in this country via cops or even legislation (we have a pinned thread in EtcetERA for a reason) was just colossally dumb. And trying to defend that rhetoric is just a poor choice.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-1-kevins-no-good-very-bad-day.672442/post-111544302

If you repeat something often enough it becomes true

It sucks because many of you are intelligent and inciteful, but like CM Punk you brought this upon yourselves.

Wrassling 

Chindogg is a troll, another mod mistake, ignore and move on.

He is not a troll, just an idiot. He was an idiot since Gaf days.

[Taco Bell Tower]

TheGummyBear

A black kid dies and your immediate assumption is that he died of a drug OD?

Yeah, not going to lie, you earned a lot of side eye from me for that.

Chance Hale

Didnt know he was black but a spicy chip isn't going to do that. Maybe I'm an asshole but in a day or two this thread will be a joke

https://www.resetera.com/threads/teen-dies-after-participating-in-spicy-%E2%80%98one-chip-challenge%E2%80%99.761022/page-2#post-111545667

User Banned (1 Month): Insensitive/Inflammatory Commentary; History of Inflammatory Commentary

He should consider himself lucky cuz if it was NepNep, instant perm ban.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gta-6-having-a-poc-female-protagonist-is-going-to-be-one-of-the-biggest-moments-for-inclusivity.760680/page-4#post-111515397

Let’s just hope she’s a great character.

If she’s done well, only the true loser chuds will be salty. They’re no hope.

Oh, I can't wait for Why Women Criticize posts.

I can't wait for the fat bald dudes to have their weekly meltdown

[AldusMoneyPenny]

Mods try again to stop the political community from leaving. 

Since the conversation is getting dangerously close to oppression olympics in here, I'm going to share some general advice.

If you see people making bad faith comparisons trying to deflect away from the thread topic, the thing that would be most helpful for the moderation team, would be to report those comments rather than getting drawn in to trying to debate whether or not the actions of US (or whatever) are actually bad.

*Hypothetically* say there is a thread that has reached a few pages without any reports and the very first report that comes in, is one that appears to be downplaying a clear wrong the US has done. While it may be a good faith attempt at dealing with a bad faith actor, discussions here are read by far more people than the parties posting.

It can be easy to forget that and get lost in what you see as a back and forth between you and someone else. And while that person may not care at all about the issue they claim to care about, someone else reading it could have been personally affected by it and put in a good faith report.

My advice would be not to take the bait and let yourself get drawn into the 'whataboutism' the person brought up. For one, it's what that person is probably hoping for... to change the conversation. If you call the person out for trying to derail the topic away from the actual issue the thread is about, you highlight what they're actually trying to do. If we start seeing a lot of reports coming from one conversation it's going to get more moderators eyes on the thread, and it will help ensure that the entire conversation gets considered.

So the solution is to spam reports when being baited???


https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-1-kevins-no-good-very-bad-day.672442/page-366#post-111559899

Not a single response to that idiotic post