Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[jooseloose]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-are-views-and-topics-that-you-wont-back-down-on-refuse-to-compromise-on.1184142/

Please don't use this thread to attack other users and please be respectful. This thread is likely going to be a bit passionate, especially the OP.

Not in the best of moods so this thread is a bit of a vent (note, this isn't anything ERA related, really had some nasty personal experience, please don't treat it as such). What are views that you simply won't compromise, whether it's due to experience, belief that are too important to you to ever compromise on or just sheer bloody stubbornness?

Here are a few of mine.

On the serious end:
Trans rights, I'm sorry but no, I'm never going to compromise on trans rights and will NEVER let someone shame me to vote against my interests like people did last year to convince to vote for labour (I'm glad I never gave in, FUCK STRAMER AND THE LABOUR PARTY). If you want my vote, actually give a shit, no vague promises, no lies, actually show and prove you fucking care. Human rights should never be fucking compromised and the fact that keeps happening in the UK and places like the US just shows how rotten the political system has become and needs to heavily reformed or dismantled for something better to arise.
(Note, what I am saying here is primarily targeted at straight people, this is not targeted at women in ERA), I will not comprise on despising the trope that wlw and lesbian couples can't be happy in fiction and nearly always results in death or tragedy. While I give leeway to works written by wlw and lesbians, especially those telling personal stories or exploring their own feelings (which should be encouraged), I'm sorry I'm not giving leeway to corporate media CONSTANTLY pulling this and I will NOT TOLLERATE being shamed, patronised (anyone who dares pull the "Why should lesbians be above being killed off!?" on me is fucking getting screamed (And counter question, why should lesbians and wlw couples and characters not be able to be happy?!) or feel pressured to back down on it. I'm sorry, if a work uses that trope, I'm going criticize, judge the creatives involved and question it's use. And no, the "We killed half the couple/the couple off but GOTCHA!!! We did a convoluted thing to have our cake and eat it to!" that was popular in the mid-10s for mlm and wlw couples, not to mention superhero fiction (and no, San Junipero doesn't get an exception).
Similar to the above, I'm sorry I'm beyond sick of the idea that's it's good to exclude lesbians and gay man from being playable protagonists and companions in RPGs or games with love interest. I'm sorry no, lesbians and gay men have every right to be in those roles as anyone else, fuck "Choice", fuck "but they ruin my immersion", especially fuck "They can be gay in someone else's game!", fuck "But I'm owed them!" and fuck "But my power fantasy!". I'm sorry but if your power fantasy requires gay men and women never to be protagonist in RPGs (yet straight men like Cloud are a-okay) or are banned from certain roles like companions/squadmates then FUCK YOU POWER FANTASY. Like the above, I will fudge, criticize and question any game that does it, regardless if lesbians appear elsewhere in the game. Both 2 & 3, I've seethed with these for well over a decade online and I'm just done.
I will never compromise on my belief in animal welfare and rights should not just be for what humans consider "cute" and "cuddly", that ALL animals deserve them, especially invertebrates. I hate the fact that animal death and cruelty when it comes invertebrates is constantly treated as funny (edit: I started writing this thread last night and discovered this morning their is a thread on this topic) or acceptable. That utterly ignorant takes like "X species should be exterminated!" are treated a-okay because their "creepy", guess the environment, local ecology or any of the plants and animals that rely on them matter. And I'm so sick of being shamed and made feel like a horrible people for loving insects like Wasps and flies, arachnids, molluscs, Myriapods etc.
I will never compromise in my belief that ableism is wrong, full stop; it doesn't become randomly acceptable based on the target. I've written a massive essay on this but no, "allies" and other progressives don't get a free pass just because their throwing their ableism at chuds, right wing politicians, TERF and other genuinely monstrous human beings; in fact that is fucking hurtful you comparing autistic people to these kind of people for example.
I will never compromise on my belief that women should never ever need to justify their womanhood, we should never feel less of a woman because of how she dresses, looks, her hobbies, likes etc. If a women doesn't like traditionally "girly" things, their a still a woman and should be forced or pressured into liking "girly" stuff. This is especially given how so much of what we classify as "girly" and "boyish", from toys, beauty standards, hobbies to even the fucking idea of pink = girl and boy = blue is arbitrary nonsense often dictated by corporations. This goes for fiction as well. Writers, your badarse women warrior/soldier doesn't suddenly become more "complex" or "well-rounded" just because you randomly give them a "girly" hobby like poetry or love songs.

On the lighter end:
Mash potato, grapefruit, cotton candy and beetroot are horrible and you can't convince me otherwise!


What are some of yours?

Cyborg, you start the OP off with saying not to attack other users, yet at least half of your listed items appear to be relitigating fights you had or imagined you had (such as the w/ the wasp thread) with other users on this site over the past few weeks.

This is an incredibly stressful time for many thanks to the current news cycle and especially being on TERF-island right now but I fear this sort of "air your grievances" thread, even when dressed up as "state your red-lines", isn't going to be productive and will likely lead to more bitter feelings.

I think a step inward to the communities you belong to rather than a step outward and broadcasting to everyone might be a better way to work though at least some of this stuff.

Incoming "thread locked at OP's request"

[benji]

Do you think that forum could handle a thread debating the death penalty if it wasn't received wisdom to most of the posters that it's wrong because progressives believe it's wrong even as progressives also believe violence is the only solution to anything?

[DocWager]

the new chat is that HRT gives you a big latina ass

who up growing they ass

That’s a straight up fucking lie. Being a woman doesn’t give you a beautiful pear shaped body automatically. That’s like saying testosterone gives you a horses cock.

[Boredfrom]

I remember when lefties used ADL declaring Pepe a hate symbol to give up the meme to the Chuds, but not the ADL are Zionist scum. (Even when complains about how biased they could be was present before that).

[Alpacx]

Do you think that forum could handle a thread debating the death penalty if it wasn't received wisdom to most of the posters that it's wrong because progressives believe it's wrong even as progressives also believe violence is the only solution to anything?

You know who else believes the death penalty is wrong? Anti-abortion Catholic chuds.

Era ain't slick

[Uncle]

[benji]

We all know how violence instantly leads to people changing their mind. Look no further than the Israel Palestine conflict

I would imagine that they would argue that the only reason violence hasn't worked in that situation is that the world hasn't done enough violence to the collective nation of Jewish people.

[Boredfrom]

Do you think that forum could handle a thread debating the death penalty if it wasn't received wisdom to most of the posters that it's wrong because progressives believe it's wrong even as progressives also believe violence is the only solution to anything?

That is easy.

They will say that the state has the monopoly on violence, so is wrong. While violent protests and uprisings are revolutionary and always good if it comes from the marginalized.

Is the Bioshock Infinite criticism.

[Uncle]

[benji]

You know who else believes the death penalty is wrong? Anti-abortion Catholic chuds.

Era ain't slick

Actually, coincidentally, I was reading about some of the major left-wing Brazilian presidential candidates of recent years: Lula, Dilma and Marina Silva (twice got 20% of the vote, is from a more-left party, twice served in Lula's governments and is currently Minister of the Environment) and you know what's interesting that I did not know? Every single one is anti-abortion. The two women are against gay marriage. This should have been obvious to me since it's a Catholic nation but yet I just assumed...

Yet we're supposed to be fleeing there as non-binary women of color to escape capitalism? (Something that neither Lula nor Dilma actually opposes to the consternation of the Brazilian left.)

edit: Also, in 2005 Lula had Brazil hold a nationwide referendum to ban guns or not and 64% of the country voted against it. Even though nearly all of the media, political institutions and international institutions supported it.

Basically, what I'm saying is that before we flee down there we need people to organize and overthrow capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy.

[Uncle]

I’d love to know the conversation that combined transphobia and Star Wars spoilers.

“Darth Vader was Luke’s father. Definitely not his mother, because he was a man with a penis.”

this just made me picture him with all his limbs burned off but still got a dick and he's just pogo sticking around

[benji]

this just made me picture him with all his limbs burned off but still got a dick and he's just pogo sticking around

This video seems to indicate this was canon about what happened to him:

[Jansen]

Do you think that forum could handle a thread debating the death penalty if it wasn't received wisdom to most of the posters that it's wrong because progressives believe it's wrong even as progressives also believe violence is the only solution to anything?

[benji]

What do you think that top arrow's full label is supposed to be?

[DavidCroquet]

the new chat is that HRT gives you a big latina ass

who up growing they ass

That’s a straight up fucking lie. Being a woman doesn’t give you a beautiful pear shaped body automatically. That’s like saying testosterone gives you a horses cock.

 User Banned (PERMANENT): Extreme Transphobia, Herstory of the same

[Shecky Fragbaum]

Do you think that forum could handle a thread debating 

 

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/palworld-dev-pocketpair-has-shared-a-statement-explaining-changes-made-to-the-game-due-to-the-pokemon-nintendo-lawsuit.1183920/page-12#post-139689684

And I blame you for making me look that up and find out they are making a pal fucking game.

Spoiler: "ew nothing shown on the page but ew" (click to show)(click to hide)

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3620480/Palworld_More_Than_Just_Pals/?curator_clanid=41648656

Being weird about people wanting to do harmless adult stuff in a game is a lot more 'ick' than that game existing.

I mean screens of what look look like non consent rape fetishes is pretty fucking ew. Maybe my own trauma of being a victim of SA is making me see something not there but this is sickening.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/palworld-dev-pocketpair-has-shared-a-statement-explaining-changes-made-to-the-game-due-to-the-pokemon-nintendo-lawsuit.1183920/page-12#post-139691733

You mean the community that had grooming issues at tournaments that no one talked about because it was a woman on a younger boy? A topic which is specifically triggering to me

I am glad I was not wrongly mistaken about. I didn't mentally have it in me to fact check my memories.

I wonder what their BSky handle is

[benji]

Do you think that forum could handle a thread debating 

 

No, no, I mean if there were hypothetically a subject that could be debated instead of only bad faith chuds just asking questions about something that shouldn't be debated. Obviously I can't think of any examples but something like ranking Final Fantasy's or MCU films, as long as the person didn't put more problematic entries over right side of history ones, seems like it could come close if trolls were kept out of the thread.

[Ethan]

The new pope is not trans...
A missed opportunity to be honest. It would have sent a powerful message

[Jansen]

I'm triggered rn

Please no bully

[benji]

I wonder what their BSky handle is

Same:
https://bsky.app/profile/sacul64.bsky.social
https://x.com/sacul64
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJuRWFGNNZudazjUtcI2EnA
https://famiboards.com/members/sacul64.586/
https://www.giantbomb.com/profile/sacul64/
https://imgur.com/user/sacul64
https://www.reddit.com/user/sacul64/

[Kyon1988]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/palworld-dev-pocketpair-has-shared-a-statement-explaining-changes-made-to-the-game-due-to-the-pokemon-nintendo-lawsuit.1183920/page-12#post-139689684

And I blame you for making me look that up and find out they are making a pal fucking game.

Spoiler: "ew nothing shown on the page but ew" (click to show)(click to hide)

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3620480/Palworld_More_Than_Just_Pals/?curator_clanid=41648656

Being weird about people wanting to do harmless adult stuff in a game is a lot more 'ick' than that game existing.

I mean screens of what look look like non consent rape fetishes is pretty fucking ew. Maybe my own trauma of being a victim of SA is making me see something not there but this is sickening.

There's also a Pokemon sales discussion:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/pok%C3%A9mon-scarlet-violet-has-become-the-2nd-best-selling-pok%C3%A9mon-game-of-all-time-after-just-28-months-on-sale.1183896/
Serebii keeps being one the worst and most annoying people on the internet. Aleh is just sad

[DavidCroquet]

In regards to Bill Gates news...

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bill-gates-to-wind-down-foundation-committing-most-of-his-remaining-net-worth.1184472/

Thanks for helping fuck up public education cause you thought you knew better than teachers asshole.

What has the Gates Foundation done that has been bad for the US education system?

The answer?

Someone more familiar with the details can chime in, but my recollection was the Foundation spearheaded the faulty/malicious performance analytics for teachers and school systems that cratered public education funding and structures.

Translation: I'm stupid.

Plenty of articles on it . But one thing he did was break down larger schools into smaller ones. Problem was they still occupied the same space so there was a fight for said space and resources.

Translation: I'm just sayin' shit.

[benji]

By "thought you knew better then teachers" he means actively worked with the schools:

Since the United States Program at the Gates Foundation began 25 years ago, it has partnered with more than 3,700 organizations—including school districts, colleges, nonprofits, community groups, research institutions, and businesses—across the nation. In that time, U.S. public education has improved by several important measures: Most notably, the high school graduation rate has risen from 71% in 2001 to 87% in 2022, the latest available data. The foundation can’t take all the credit for that improvement, says Allan Golston, who runs the Gates Foundation’s U.S. Program, but “we have certainly contributed to that, and are very proud of that.”

The program’s first problem mirrored what confounded the tropical-disease fighters in the foundation’s international operations: lousy data. Most high schools defined their graduation rate as the percentage of 12th-graders who graduated, ignoring all those who dropped out in the previous three years. With the help of the National Governors Association, all states now use the foundation’s comprehensive definition of the graduation rate, which of course produces lower numbers. That change alone shocked officials and parents into demanding action, but it was only a beginning.

Equipped with better data, the foundation identified some 2,000 “dropout factories” across the country, mostly in urban centers—schools with terrible graduation rates. They tended to be big schools, so the foundation reasoned that smaller schools with more individualized support and more engagement between students and teachers would yield better results.

The model worked, up to a point. In some of the big cities where it was tried, significantly more students graduated, went to college, and received bachelor’s degrees. But in other cities, improvements were modest.

Unfortunately, the model was also impractical as a nationwide template. For starters, breaking up a big high school isn’t easy. “There are 15,000 school districts in the U.S.,” says Golston. “Each has different contexts, different boards, different perspectives, different views on how to teach and what to teach.” The model was also expensive. New York City has kept many of these small high schools, and hundreds of high schools elsewhere have adopted the model successfully, but they’re a small proportion of America’s 24,000 public high schools. Bottom line, small schools are great, but in the real world not a broad-based answer.

Today the foundation focuses on factors that any school, regardless of size, can benefit from—improved curriculum, professional development of teachers, tutoring. Research has revealed the crucial importance of one course: algebra. “It’s a critical success factor to graduating and has a number of other predictive factors,” Golston says. Students who pass Algebra 1 in ninth grade are twice as likely to graduate from high school, more likely to enroll in and complete college, and better positioned for careers that increasingly require analytical skills. “It’s so significant in a student’s trajectory,” he says, “that if you could move that metric, you could unlock a lot of progress and success.”

Also, I need to again note that despite the fact that everyone on that forum constantly says that public education funding has "cratered" it's only ever increased and no year has ever had lower public education spending than the year before.

Plus despite what they think about performance metrics, teachers don't actually oppose them. Administration members do and generally only in large cities because it threatens their claim that the vast amounts of money they get aren't enough and that's why performance has collapsed despite ever increasing salaries and administration employment.

Finally, note that the reasoning behind "small schools" is the same as that behind "small classes" which is a standard talking point. If we take their demands seriously then what they want are large schools located far away from where students live that have large numbers of employees none of which help their students graduate.

[DavidCroquet]

Minthara--the loudly Canadian, fuck America, we will become homegrown terrorists and throw scalding maple syrup on your women and children guy--is the only one bringing receipts...

Except as you point out Benji, his "receipts" sort of undercut his own points. 

Gates tried an experiment restructuring 3 school districts in the entire united states, and the results were *GASP!* inconclusive! Anyone who knows anything knows that inconclusive is almost as bad as bad!

Ergo, Gates decimated American education, which was famously always totally fine and without issue before his involvement.

[DocWager]

I wonder what their BSky handle is

Same:
https://bsky.app/profile/sacul64.bsky.social
https://x.com/sacul64
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJuRWFGNNZudazjUtcI2EnA
https://famiboards.com/members/sacul64.586/
https://www.giantbomb.com/profile/sacul64/
https://imgur.com/user/sacul64
https://www.reddit.com/user/sacul64/

Check out his recent Blue Sky tweet. Pretty okay with discussing his creepy fetishes in his public profile.

[Eric Cartman]

Dear HR,

A law was passed. I will be OOO for a calendar month due to harm. Goodbye.

Sincerely, Lucy LaCox

at the vanguard of making their community more employable

[Eric Cartman]

I’m surprised Era isn’t bringing up on a recent episode of The Rehearsal, Nathan Fielder calling out Paramount Germany for pulling down his Nathan For You episode because he donated to a holocaust group, and implying that because of the Israel/Palestine conflict, it’s cool okay to be antisemitic again.

hilarious segment btw, the pulling down of the show spreading across the european map

I don't know what Paramount Germanys head office looks like, but I imagine Nathan nailed it

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-r-word-embraced-by-joe-rogan-and-elon-musk-inches-back-into-the-mainstream.1184649/#post-139696983

Pretend?

It's not acceptable.

"Pretend?!" he/xir/she/they said with incredulity. "No one here is pretending!" eir declared, before defiantly sashying away, hips swaying under starself's crop-top, emblazoned with the words Stop Trans Genocide.