Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-politics-ot-4-5-intermission-keys-more-like-uhhmmm-i-got-nothing-today.962805/page-1647#post-134301927

That's….kindof frank?

As I said, I have plenty of experience and I'm happy to do it; if you have some guidelines you'd like me to follow then just let me know and that would be fine to stick to.

Sorry — I just saw that post, immediately got heart palpitations over the memory of what the report queue used to look like because of this OT, and typed the first form of "NO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOOOOOOP!!!!" I could think of. 😂😩

Like I said, this OT has been a pretty good place since some changes were made. We're not opposed to more changes, but we're moving very cautiously/slowly. Give us a little grace for a sec.

Sure thing boss!

I'm off to bed now anyways

[Orange Juice Box]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-politics-ot-4-5-intermission-keys-more-like-uhhmmm-i-got-nothing-today.962805/page-1773#post-139718841

When I said that Trump was different than Biden/Harris, and I was banned for it for 6 months by the progressives in this forum, this is what I was saying. Nepenthe, how do you defend trumps actions here, or blame democrats for what's happening here? These are my neighbors, I know this family, my daughter goes to school with this child. We're just so lucky by the accident of our birth that we're not this mom. When uou were playing defense for 4 years for Donald Trump and banning everybody who argued that a Harris admin would be meaningfully different from a Trump admin, how do you deal with this? This *is not old*, this is not common, the democrats didn't do this, the liberals didn't do this; Trump and his shock troops did.

It's not all the same. They're not the same party. They're not a uniparty. This didn't happen 8+ months ago.

This isn't normal. I said it wouldn't be normal and was banned for it by you. I can understand the hard policy stuff, education department, kids with disabilities, whatever, that's some other family for you, someone else's problem, something less important than your priorities. People are hurting therefore the education department should be eliminated and my daughter doesn't get school lunch, whatever, not a big deal, I can bridge that gap. What about this?

When my daughter's friend isn't at school tomorrow, what do I tell her? "Both parties are the same, people are hurting, they're mad at Biden for not listening about loans, Trump will be okay because people are hurting"

What's your advice there to tell my kid? When you equivocated between Trump and Biden or Trump and Harris for 4 years and banned everybody who disagreed with your hot takes trying to derail every political thread into something that enabled trumpism, what about this? This is new, it's not normal, it didn't happen 6+ months ago.

This has been happening all over the country since you helped get Trump elected, and it didn't really affect me enough to ask you about it. The small stuff we could bare. No school lunch whatever, stupid HHS shit, we could bare. But now this is my neighborhood and your defense of the Trump administration has finally affected me and my community to the point that I've gotta ask you — was it worth it? Is it worth it that the defense you play for Trump and the asymmetrical criticism and asymmetrical application of the rules here, was it worth it for you? You said it'd be more of the same and banned anybody who objected, so is this different for you or just more of the same?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

 

[Taco Bell Tower]

The Albatross was banned for 6 months?

[imsotired]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-politics-ot-4-5-intermission-keys-more-like-uhhmmm-i-got-nothing-today.962805/page-1773#post-139718841

When I said that Trump was different than Biden/Harris, and I was banned for it for 6 months by the progressives in this forum, this is what I was saying. Nepenthe, how do you defend trumps actions here, or blame democrats for what's happening here? These are my neighbors, I know this family, my daughter goes to school with this child. We're just so lucky by the accident of our birth that we're not this mom. When uou were playing defense for 4 years for Donald Trump and banning everybody who argued that a Harris admin would be meaningfully different from a Trump admin, how do you deal with this? This *is not old*, this is not common, the democrats didn't do this, the liberals didn't do this; Trump and his shock troops did.

It's not all the same. They're not the same party. They're not a uniparty. This didn't happen 8+ months ago.

This isn't normal. I said it wouldn't be normal and was banned for it by you. I can understand the hard policy stuff, education department, kids with disabilities, whatever, that's some other family for you, someone else's problem, something less important than your priorities. People are hurting therefore the education department should be eliminated and my daughter doesn't get school lunch, whatever, not a big deal, I can bridge that gap. What about this?

When my daughter's friend isn't at school tomorrow, what do I tell her? "Both parties are the same, people are hurting, they're mad at Biden for not listening about loans, Trump will be okay because people are hurting"

What's your advice there to tell my kid? When you equivocated between Trump and Biden or Trump and Harris for 4 years and banned everybody who disagreed with your hot takes trying to derail every political thread into something that enabled trumpism, what about this? This is new, it's not normal, it didn't happen 6+ months ago.

This has been happening all over the country since you helped get Trump elected, and it didn't really affect me enough to ask you about it. The small stuff we could bare. No school lunch whatever, stupid HHS shit, we could bare. But now this is my neighborhood and your defense of the Trump administration has finally affected me and my community to the point that I've gotta ask you — was it worth it? Is it worth it that the defense you play for Trump and the asymmetrical criticism and asymmetrical application of the rules here, was it worth it for you? You said it'd be more of the same and banned anybody who objected, so is this different for you or just more of the same?

Brave poster, he's going to get dogpiled by all of Nep Nep's lackeys and then banned.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

BabyDontHurtMe replies? Wasn't he the one pushed out of the PoliEra discord for being a rat?

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Albatross did nothing wrong.

[Alpacx]

 

Albatross with the steel chair. Get that man a Bire account.

We're eating good at the cookout today boys.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

I think we've had 3 US elections in a row now where the winner narrowly won based on voter turnout, so there really does need to be some sort of moratorium on advocating publicly for vote abstaining at least in US elections (if there are any more lol), it clearly is damaging for whoever you want to win

but what if they vote for someone you don't like.. 

[Alpacx]

HE ADDED AN EDIT

*edit*

To be honest I'm not always sure if you were one who banned me for stanning for liberals versus Nazis. My bans always came when interacting with you, but the Nazi defenders might have been some other mod or admin and not you. So I'm probably unfair tagging you alone in this post. I think my bans always came when I'd argue with you; that's probably unfair, because there's no audit system to know who actually pulled the lever.

[Besticus Maximus]

Albatross! Al ba tross. He was never nice to Nepenthe. Never nice, always a bad bad albatross. The worst albatross!

[Potato]

I been together with my GF for 3 years and I love her. When I moved in with her into a studio apartment, the plan was to help her save money by going half on the bills. 3 months in see quit her job. Now she deals with a lot mental health issues like anxiety and depression. She hasn't been working for over a year and she is just waiting on NYS to give her disability which they denied already so she re-submitted I make good money 74K a year but in NYC that's not enough to take care of 2 people. I told her today that in the long run I can't do this by myself. Which was the nicest way to say eventually you need to get a full-time job. Her reply is I can only focus on applying for disability. We don't have kids and I understand her mental health but I'm not getting any reinsurance. I can't do this for another year and it feels like she doesn't care at all. A part feels like just packing my shit and living with my mom back in my room that's bigger than this apartment but you don't leave someone you love when they are going through it. To me it's worries me when I ask do you ever plan on going back to work full time and you can't give me a straight answer.

TLDR -

Ree moved in with girl he knew had mental problems. Is upset and threatening to run back to mummy because girl with mental problems is unable to hold down a job. 

Progressive.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-think-i%E2%80%99m-on-the-verge-of-a-breakup.1184883/

It's the ol' Reee reversi!!!

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-your-parents-or-siblings-hoarders.1151076/page-2#post-139699722

It's okay, I'll talk about it! 👍 Cuz it is indeed awful.

Hello!  My name is Dice, and I have been directly affected by my parent's hoarding.


Here is a scary picture of my former living room.  It is indeed hard to find the couch and coffee table.  ...This is also an older image too, so it's worse now. 🙃  I won't show the corners of cobwebs, random food filth, tar-yellow patches from years of heavy smoking, or layers of dust that's caked onto everything (ironically even the cleaning products).

My mum is the hoarder (my dad the enabler) and I'll just do a small checklist of everything "about this".
► You know it's hoarding if there's "paths" to places, one clear path to get to another part of the room or house.
► My mum keeps buying stuff.  She buys stuff she already owns, but will buy more.  She used to get health food delivered, $500 a box, some of it still waiting on the porch (some of it already expired!).
► Parts of the house can't be used.  There's a room full of clothes and the door is hard to open because it's packed in there.  There's desks and tables with too much stuff on it to function as a desk or table (the chairs got their own piles too).
► She has mobility issues due to an injury, and still won't clean even if it's to make her own life easier.
► Years ago I threw out a stack of decades-old magazines....She was livid, and since then when she can't find something she'll call and ask me if I "threw it out" or stole it behind her back.
► My mum would go through my garbage to ensure I didn't throw out anything "valuable" (it never is).
► Lies: New things she'd buy were "just replacements" or " a sale" or "stuff on backorder". We were always waiting on that "garage sale" that never happened. Or all the stuff she's "saving for me".
► No appeal ever works.  We've been nice, we've offered to do everything, we've been curt, we've made ""threats"" to call a crisis center to help her (to which she's proudly refused and rebuffed)
► She's generally hostile when we DO clean.

Unfortunately hoarding is still not that well understood, no "clean cut" solutions really exist and is often wholly contingent on the hoarder themselves wanting to get better.  Fortunately many cleaning services are understanding and sympathetic for when it finally comes to that time (some do it for cheap as a matter of charity; but some won't go if, say, there's a problem with certain pests like bed bugs).  Garbage bin drop-off services tend to respond to hoarder clean-outs often enough though; indeed a lot of people get affected by this.

All that said; severe hoarding is a mental illness (full stop). and I don't especially "blame her" here because it's a problem bigger than her and her power to fight it ("the stuff" is a greater force than "the family" fighting this).  It's shameful but a lot more people suffer from this than you realize (whether directly or second hand).  I found this little posted nugget about it:

I watched an interview with Elizabeth Vargas, who had to step away from her job due to alcoholism. She said one thing that stuck with me:


"I would take a bullet for my sons, without second thought. [But] I cannot stop drinking for them, no matter how hard I try."

It's the same with mental illness. It is not rational. It cannot be reasoned with. It is, at times, more powerful than love.
I understand you want concrete answers, but they don't really exist. Even having the answers "my hoarding is due to childhood trauma" doesn't unlock a solution (if only it did!)

The Hoarder subreddit is fortunately a fine-enough resource for those with the issue themselves.  But since I'm on the other end of the problem, I use the Children of Hoarder subreddit to find others like me who have been emotionally distressed by my family's hoard (because if you're like me, you might need to hear that you are not alone! 👍). That said, obviously it would be better to work with real professionals and therapists, but Reddit's there for now. Perhaps one of the more depressing revelations and solutions from CoH above is often just to "move out" because trying to fix it is.... just too much, especially at severe levels.
There's too much hope, too much begging, and just too much to fix in general (specifically if the hoarder isn't reciprocating the effort).

But yeah, when I finally moved out, I experienced clean countertops for the first time in my life.
I finally got to smell that nice sweet scent of a home. 😌

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

hah.

Anyways. I take this topic seriously, because like many mental illnesses it's still not well understood, whether by the public or folks who aren't directly dealing with it.  And not to be too presumptuous, but some discussions about it come off as quaint "there's a bad mess I gotta clean (and do)" than what serious hoarding might entail (i.e. a severe mental/physical health hazard).  But there are levels of it too:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

So I want to keep this topic alive (I first saw it here when I was banned and lurking about a month ago lol 😬).  If anyone else wants to talk even if just to vent, please do, or AMA, or DM cuz, again, I take this pretty seriously and just hope to help others if they feel frustrated or alone.  ....

tl;dr It's certainly fucking annoying and gross as hell to deal with. 😒 Mental health, people: Please take good care of it!

But it's absolutely that thing that ruined our family.

Every time they pull back the curtain, even a little, so much makes sense...

[Besticus Maximus]

you don't often get a skinny hoarder

[BIONIC]

You're right BabyDontHurtMe. Im angry about it and feel like anytime someone said "no, there's something materially different about one candidate from the other" there was this orthodox consensus response of "no, they're actually the same," combined with the authoritative mechanics of this forum — some people with the ability to ban and punish people who challenged the orthodoxy, and some people who could only object and be banned — that we're now seeing seeing this in our streets and there should be some reckoning with being wrong but acting righteously.

But you're right, I'm emotional about it. I'm not going to edit my post because the words are out there and it's wrong for me to edit it after posting it. I'm unfair about placing blame on a single person m and there's certainly blame to be placed on me and my complacency with some injustices too, though I feel like the stakes are lower if you don't have the power to ban people for having a heterodox opinion.

What's happening on our streets isn't normal. I'm frustrated about being scolded by people who have the power to ban that it's all normal and there's no difference between the two parties. There's a measurable difference. This isn't normal. This simply didn't happen in the same way, in the same effect 6+ months ago. There is a difference.

And who knows, maybe I'm reacting because the Trump administration and ice are targeting Massachusetts cities because we're blue/liberal cities, and so if you're from elsewhere it is just business as usual and the difference between the two parties is not very different.

You're right though. Too emotional, too upset about the moment. I'm sorry about my outburst. The outburst was unfair ajd I'm sorry to nepenthe and the staff. I'm very frustrated about it all, and with a lot of my friends who insisted they there were no differences between the parties and I'm taking it out on a mod unfairly when it’s a much broader problem, that I am equally to blame about.

Pussied out

[Taco Bell Tower]

Should have kept it.  NepNep is gonna see the edit and ban him again.

[Potato]

Nepenthe was seething in the discords. Someone gave albatross the heads-up.

[Snoopy]

Ree prominents are hilarious. He's not mad about that poor woman and her kid. He's mad he got banned. You know what to do Nep.

[Jansen]

"I hate you and the forum I'm posting on but please spare me because I need this place!"

[StandingOvation]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-politics-ot-4-5-intermission-keys-more-like-uhhmmm-i-got-nothing-today.962805/page-1647#post-134301927

He'll get that new thread one day - trust in the process, brother

[Daffy Duck]

Take away their thread making privileges FFS


https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-your-gaming-device-has-became-sapient-and-morphs-into-the-video-game-character-youve-played-as-most.1185060/

So one day you are playing video games on the device you play video games the most of in the past two years; whether that be a console like the Switch, your phone, your PC, a handheld etc.

However suddenly, the device begins to smoke and then glow in a ball of light, becoming bigger or smaller until the glow dissipates; and you see the player character you've played most as standing in from of you, the living avatar of your now sapient gaming device.

Their memories are based on the games and media you played, watched, searched and typed on them as well as anything they heard in the room their in (or seen if the have a camera).

So... What happens?

For me, that would be my Pokémon character from Scarlet and Violet... So does that mean I've adopted her and now a mother?

[Snoopy]

"For me, that would be my Pokémon character from Scarlet and Violet... So does that mean I've adopted her and now a mother?"

[StandingOvation]

Take away their thread making privileges FFS


https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-your-gaming-device-has-became-sapient-and-morphs-into-the-video-game-character-youve-played-as-most.1185060/

So one day you are playing video games on the device you play video games the most of in the past two years; whether that be a console like the Switch, your phone, your PC, a handheld etc.

However suddenly, the device begins to smoke and then glow in a ball of light, becoming bigger or smaller until the glow dissipates; and you see the player character you've played most as standing in from of you, the living avatar of your now sapient gaming device.

Their memories are based on the games and media you played, watched, searched and typed on them as well as anything they heard in the room their in (or seen if the have a camera).

So... What happens?

For me, that would be my Pokémon character from Scarlet and Violet... So does that mean I've adopted her and now a mother?

WAT HAPUN????

Well, in a just world, you'd have your thread-making privileges revoked, would sign-up to therapy, touch some grass and maybe take some meds.

[NekoFever]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-r-word-embraced-by-joe-rogan-and-elon-musk-inches-back-into-the-mainstream.1184649/

As a millennial I've just figured it's much easier to say "dumb" than use a slur.

Who wants to tell him?

Also behold the ratchet in action:

Weird question but why aren't moron, idiot, and imbecile, and any other terms used by the medical community in the past also forbidden words?

Yes, that's the history. My question is why every other variation on the r-word gets a pass here.

If we dont use a specific slur because its ableist, why do other ableist slurs get a pass?

[StandingOvation]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-politics-ot-4-5-intermission-keys-more-like-uhhmmm-i-got-nothing-today.962805/page-1773#post-139727460

Of the 11 actions you've received in your time here, I'm literally not responsible for a single one of them. You just randomly singled me out because you don't like me.

I'm also not enthused to see you acting like I've ever defended Trump, nor am I all that enamored with how tepid your apology was after the fact considering how accusatory and long that rant was.

Unless it's a seriously pressing forum matter, don't ever ping me like that anymore. Hell, just keep my name out your mouth in general.

Albatross is T-2 weeks from a quiet perma-ban.

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i%E2%80%99m-thru-hiking-the-appalachian-trail-ama.1162509/page-7#post-139710939

Between his hotel stays and fast food/pizza stops along the trail, he should finish next year. Kudos for hiking it but Ubering to get McDonald's and and sleep in hotels every few days it kinda takes away from the challenge.

[Besticus Maximus]

I don't support Trump, I just hate crooked Joe Biden and his genocide democrats and schemin' Kamala and tariffs are good actually 

[Polident]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i%E2%80%99m-thru-hiking-the-appalachian-trail-ama.1162509/page-7#post-139710939

Between his hotel stays and fast food/pizza stops along the trail, he should finish next year. Kudos for hiking it but Ubering to get McDonald's and and sleep in hotels every few days it kinda takes away from the challenge.

Baby steps. Somebody doing something, anything, is vastly more admirable the nothing most of these guys get up to and still find ways to complain nonstop.

[killamajig]

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-are-views-and-topics-that-you-wont-back-down-on-refuse-to-compromise-on.1184142/

The this thread wasn't about that, Yesterday I was at a funeral with my in-laws and had to spend so much of it seething to avoid making a scene, hearing anti-trans ignorance (and a certain Andor spoiler that is part of the vent) from people I hope I never have to see again. I'm glad I had era because it was a distraction and was really important for me for other reasons. The invertebrate bit comes from hearing one pulling the "it doesn't matter if we kill them all, bees will take over those plants!" That I hate. I've had these frustrations long before that Wasp thread.

Echoes went to a funeral for wasps???