Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Snoopy]

Nep starting trouble. Dubs having to rush in and save her from making a total arse out of herself again. This guy is definitely getting got -

Every vote for the Democrats was a vote in favor of the Gaza genocide. Why do you like genocide?

You're right. You not voting saved them all. Pat yourself on the back you're a genuine hero

What is my voting record?

You either didn't vote and enabled genocide.
You voted for Trump and enabled genocide.
You voted third party and enabled genocide.
Or you're a giant fucking hypocrite and voted Harris and according to your enabled genocide. Pick one.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/for-those-involved-in-the-online-political-space-i-think-some-more-vocal-leftist-have-lost-the-plot.1237710/page-8#post-142439565

[Propagandhim]

This has nothing to do with what I said. Again, there's no proof that leftists abstaining are even a reason that Kamala lost.

Yeah there is.  Drop-off voters were disproportionately Democratic, their absence was numerically large enough to matter, and left-leaning young and non-white voters led the abstention.  Get your head out of your ass - you were part of the reason for it.  No matter how small an impact, she never accepts causation for any of her choices if they're negative.

[nachobro]

I don't think it's quite so simple. Let's say a user said something transphobic. 3 trans mods say yes, month long ban. But 1 non trans mod doesn't see the transphobia. In this hypothetical situation you'd want a warning or a shorter ban?

[Propagandhim]

This could all be avoided if you let them ignore Nepenthe.  Sigh.  Big sigh.

[benji]

The abolishment of slavery rests entirely on the fact that Abraham Lincoln was elected president. Every other anti-slavery action you describe didn't actually accomplish the goal of abolishing slavery, but Abraham Lincoln did.

This is ahistorical and frankly insulting to Africans who nonetheless resisted by didn't have the right to vote. Slavery everywhere ultimately was going to eventually die out because the economic prospects of continuing it were becoming untenable due to changing material circumstances in production, and these material circumstances changed in part as a direct result of the resistance and development of Africans on the continent and abroad.

 

The fuck is she talking about? What "resistance and development" did Africans do to change the forces of production?

Slavery was uneconomical, something she's denied before, but cultures prop up plenty of uneconomical things. Slavery couldn't have continued in the US because the South would have been driven out of the market as they became a permanent minority politically. This wasn't because the forces of production had changed, it was because the plantation economy couldn't compete with the already existing industry. The South had massive poverty among whites.

Let's not forget that the US banned the external slave trade in 1808 and the UK effectively ended the slave trade globally. The British's abolition of slavery spread to the continent which led to its abolition in the Caribbean. Africans had nothing to do with any of this. This was all whites deciding that slavery was a moral blot.

If Lincoln had lost, eventually slavery would've ended in the US regardless (mainly because the Union already outgunned and outproduced the Confederacy anyway.) So maybe not pin African's resistance and freedom on the election of a single white man, ye?

Except that if Lincoln had lost there would have been no war. Which would have ended slavery in the US because the slave states would have formed a new country*. Slavery would have ended there but not because of anything Africans or African-Americans (interesting that she sides with the Dred Scott decision and denies them citizenship in their country) did. That's because if the Confederacy was its own country the Southern elite would no longer be able to appeal to Southern solidarity and chivalry against the North to explain why the caste system that impoverished the majority of whites as much as Blacks needed to continue.

Lincoln was also important in other respects, he was actually willing to pursue freeing the slaves when the opportunity arose. The Union Democrats had no interest in this. He also was willing to accept the slaves as Americans. Most wanted to deport them believing they could never assimilate post-slavery. I know Nepenthe would have preferred this because she imagines it means she would be living in Wakanda, but it's truly ahistorical to deny the radical position this was. Especially had Lincoln lost, the GOP possibly would have failed as a party. It was already savaged as the Black man's party that was trying to steal from whites. Abolition was a radical position, not even close to the majority in the North, very few Union soldiers fought for abolition. The GOP had broken through this problem by appealing to a broader base on multiple issues and toning down its rhetoric about slavery, you know, the thing you're saying you should never have to do. If Lincoln doesn't win, none of these opportunities can be leveraged when they arise. (Nor does the GOP get to enact all their other policy interests that the Democrats wouldn't have, they were the progressive party for government expansion at the time.)

There was no African's resistance. There was no white resistance in the South. They did what you want done and made it illegal to even criticize slavery. This was framed as an insult, aka hate speech, against Southern culture and ways.

I can't stand people who want to lecture others on history but have clearly never once in their life read any history. Talk about hubris and disrespect. It's one thing if you're just wrong, and/or repeating common versions of history, it's another if your claims don't even fucking make sense. Yeah, yeah, African "resistance" around the world changed the "forces of production" even though slavery was never profitable except in a very specific niche regarding very specific crops in very specific latitudes. And that the instant a supply crunch threatened during the war, Europe instantly switched to underutilized suppliers, lost no supply and prices crashed sounding the death knell for the Confederacy which pinned all its hopes on the status quo having no alternatives.

*Or possibly slavery would have been enshrined in the Constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crittenden_Compromise

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Wait a second, nep never voted?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

News to me.

[benji]

Wait a second, nep never voted?

No, she did. She votes in every general election, never in any primaries. I posted her voting record somewhere in the last thread but that's all it says.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I posted her voting record somewhere in the last thread but that's all it says.

yikes

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Ive learned today that social engineering, on the lazy side, takes like 6 months? 

Imagine if you put your mind to it.

[Propagandhim]

No, it isn't the same math - it's a false equivalence.  Withholding a vote in a close contest between two major parties indirectly helps the side you least prefer, especially if you oppose the more extreme option.  Nepenthe would never argue that Trump and Kamala are absolutely equal options per her values.  This isn't fucking rocket science:  The logic is that not voting for the lesser evil (to her) increases the chances of the greater evil winning.  Nepenthe thinks voting for Democrats is directly supporting the Gaza genocide and so abstaining is a moral stance against that policy - but isn't because the abstaining doesn't decrease the chance of the Gaza genocide happening, and may even increase it or make it worse.  She simply wants to engage in purity performance art than actually engaging in smart political participation per her values.  She wants an identity and to be able to signal that identity.  It's that simple.    The impact of abstaining depends on the context: In a close election, abstaining may help the worse option win.  Moral responsibility is not binary to anyone with 2 braincells: Voter intent and the complexity of political responsibility isn't either a 1 or a 0.  Voting for a party is not an endorsement of every single policy - every voter make choices based on the totality of issues, not just one.  She can't accept that her moral calculus doesn't line up with her abstaining and isn't appropriate for her values because of her giant ego and insistence that she can never be wrong about anything.  It's just a protest vote.  Own that you did a protest vote - which is just to signal dissatisfaction with all available options. That's fundamentally different from actively supporting or not supporting a party whose policies you oppose.   Abstaining from voting and voting for a party are not mathematically equivalent -- its not "the same math."  If X = Republicans and Y = Democrats, and X = Y then it would be the "same math".  Then your personal expected contribution is zero no matter what you do:  withholding a vote, voting Democrat, or voting Republican are morally identical.  Then changing the winner (or helping to change it) cannot change the moral harm, because whichever party takes office imposes the same harm that you're claiming to avoid.  -- then it's all the same math.

[Besticus Maximus]

Listen chuds, quite clearly Nepenthe has done more for people than Abraham Lincoln ever did 

[benji]

Nepenthe didn't tell people to vote against genocide, she explicitly said there were no anti-genocide candidates on the ballot despite there being at least three for most people.

If it wasn't just her ignorance then it was because that would open the door to people explaining why they couldn't or shouldn't vote for Libertarians/Greens/Cornel West/etc. which admits there are things that matter other than the genocide and that just leads back to justifying Harris over Trump.

[Propagandhim]

Oh that's right.  She didn't even vote in her interests when the option was available. 

If it wasn't just her ignorance then it was because that would open the door to people explaining why they couldn't or shouldn't vote for Libertarians/Greens/Cornel West/etc. which admits there are things that matter other than the genocide and that just leads back to justifying Harris over Trump.

Yeah, exactly.

[Propagandhim]

Right.  She doesn't have to vote Democrat if she doesn't want to, but the lack of voting at all and finding a candidate that aligns with her values when a) it's not a burden to vote because it takes 2 seconds to fill out a ballot and b) Democracy is a literal privilege and a miracle, proves this is all bullshit performance art on her end.  At the very least you forfeit the right to lecture people about politics when you don't do it.

[Propagandhim]

uh oh benji isn't liking my posts he has a different belief.  let's hear it.

[Propagandhim]

let's fuckin hear this shit

[benji]

  It's just a protest vote.  Own that you did a protest vote - which is just to signal dissatisfaction with all available options.

She wants it to be a protest vote where there's no possibly bad consequences from it. And by her own telling in that thread and others, a protest vote that doesn't even matter because it didn't hurt the Democrats to do it. She doesn't know how to articulate the actual non-voting position because she stills sees herself as a powerful force to move politics and everyone else even as she's choosing to pretend to abstain from it. That's why she wrote so many radical screeds and then voted, but refuses to tell anyone what she voted for. 

She has no answers to the obvious questions that arise from her statements so she has to fall back on white libs genocide y'all don't respect me organize blah blah blah. It's similar to how she only has that one example of taking food to an elderly person. She has a level where she simply cannot concede that people who do actual activism, then backstop it with a mere self-defense vote for Harris have the far more reasonable position that she can't argue against because she's locked into making voting at all the end-all be-all of the question of if genocide is happening.

We should note this is yet another common thing, for she refrains from even discussing the topic of the collective nation of Jewish people, this voting thing is the proxy for her to attack people she doesn't have the confidence to discuss the actual topic with on a forum she controls the discourse where all kinds of other posters articulate the Israel should cease to exist position. She can still prove she's a brave radical for the right side of history without having to actually get herself in trouble on the topic again. It's just that these white libs keep trying to blame her for her action that had no purpose and didn't mean anything at all that she refuses to disclose that she actually did herself after lecturing people to do it for months and convincing even B-Dubs.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-call-of-duty-ww2-on-pc-game-pass-yanked-offline-amid-reports-security-exploits-are-leaving-players-with-screens-full-of-smut.1238502/#post-142444431

mooom someone hacked me i was not seeing furry inflation porn on my computer its call of dutyyyy i swear

Inflation? Haven't heard of that. Maybe I don't want to know.

[Propagandhim]

  It's just a protest vote.  Own that you did a protest vote - which is just to signal dissatisfaction with all available options.

 She doesn't know how to articulate the actual non-voting position  

Just curious, is there a way to articulate the non-voting position?  I get the feeling you believe there is.

[Besticus Maximus]

  It's just a protest vote.  Own that you did a protest vote - which is just to signal dissatisfaction with all available options.

 She doesn't know how to articulate the actual non-voting position  

Just curious, is there a way to articulate the non-voting position?  I get the feeling you believe there is.

You can not vote and also not accuse everyone of genocide for voting wrong, I suppose

This is all hypothetical of course because I'm not a moron who doesn't vote for the least worst option, unlike the universal genius Nepenthe

[Nintex]

Ive learned today that social engineering, on the lazy side, takes like 6 months? 

Imagine if you put your mind to it.

Imagine if

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-uses-stolen-material-provided-by-white-supremacist-to-attempt-to-smear-mamdani-over-ticking-african-american-box-on-college-form.1237812/

I know most people are well aware the NYT is no beacon of progressive thought - to say the least - but this is a shockingly textbook example of ratfucking, with the paper of record bending over backwards to work with and protect far-right sources to try and smear a Muslim democratic socialist via stoking racial animus (and also playing into anti-affirmative action beliefs on the right.) Take this as an example of the kind of lengths institutions will go to to smear Middle Eastern and leftist public figures, and remember it going forward. Like a lot of you I grew up in the shadow of 9/11, and I really pray we don't fully backslide into Bush 2-era news climates.

Muslim Leftist 

A Muslim leftist is either a bad Muslim or a liar.

[Potato]

I am a black woman. I am also a moderator.

This bit of intersectionality has been one of the hardest weeks I as an individual have had to deal with in my life. Right now I'm sitting in my car with a cry-headache trying to leave to go to my brother's house. I barely have the energy.

It's been interesting to see both sides of the spectrum, where on one end my input in threads concerning black representation and issues is valuable because I can speak from life experience and knowledge, and then on the other end I get called a cop with all of the pain and irony that entails simply because I was the fool who said "yes" to volunteering.

I have simultaneously felt valued and valueless throughout this endeavor, and it's made me question whether or not I'm even a good person. I don't know how to parse the emotional toll, other than to just ignore it and make do with what I have and serve the community with the powe rand knowledge I myself have. Because I want this place to succeed. But I admit, my emotions have been all over the place.

That's all. I figured the most appropriate thread to open up in would be this one. To anyone who has given me and the other staff members a kind word, thank you. To anyone else who is dissatisfied with our performance: I understand, and I still apologize. Just remember we are human too.

I will be taking a break. I'm not leaving the forum, or my position, but I think I've exhausted myself to the point where my basic mental and even physical faculties are beginning to degrade. Continuing in my state right now is not fair to myself or to the people who want better.

I don't know how long it'll be either. I guess just long enough to bounce back. I love you guys. See you later!

Dude, just fucking quit already. No one is forcing you to do this. 

The fact that you think you're uniquely qualified says more about your fucked up personality than anything else.

[DavidCroquet]

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The abolishment of slavery rests entirely on the fact that Abraham Lincoln was elected president. Every other anti-slavery action you describe didn't actually accomplish the goal of abolishing slavery, but Abraham Lincoln did.

This is ahistorical and frankly insulting to Africans who nonetheless resisted by didn't have the right to vote. Slavery everywhere ultimately was going to eventually die out because the economic prospects of continuing it were becoming untenable due to changing material circumstances in production, and these material circumstances changed in part as a direct result of the resistance and development of Africans on the continent and abroad. If Lincoln had lost, eventually slavery would've ended in the US regardless (mainly because the Union already outgunned and outproduced the Confederacy anyway.) So maybe not pin African's resistance and freedom on the election of a single white man, ye?

Aaaaaahhhhhhh, okay, so what you're saying is the abolition of slavery was inevitable thanks entirely to the invisible hands of market forces?

This is a fascinating take from a self-declared anti-capitalist, please, do tell me more

Notably, the bolded text in Nepethe’s post is—without exaggeration—the argument that modern era Lost Cause-ers and Confederate apologists use to describe the conditions prior to the Civil War. Basically they use this argument to undercut the Union’s role in ending slavery, and whitewash southern accountability (i.e. “everyone knew slavery was a dying institution anyway, it was never about that” )

[Potato]

The abolishment of slavery rests entirely on the fact that Abraham Lincoln was elected president. Every other anti-slavery action you describe didn't actually accomplish the goal of abolishing slavery, but Abraham Lincoln did.

This is ahistorical and frankly insulting to Africans who nonetheless resisted by didn't have the right to vote. Slavery everywhere ultimately was going to eventually die out because the economic prospects of continuing it were becoming untenable due to changing material circumstances in production, and these material circumstances changed in part as a direct result of the resistance and development of Africans on the continent and abroad. If Lincoln had lost, eventually slavery would've ended in the US regardless (mainly because the Union already outgunned and outproduced the Confederacy anyway.) So maybe not pin African's resistance and freedom on the election of a single white man, ye?

Aaaaaahhhhhhh, okay, so what you're saying is the abolition of slavery was inevitable thanks entirely to the invisible hands of market forces?

This is a fascinating take from a self-declared anti-capitalist, please, do tell me more

For once Nepenthe is somewhat correct.

Keeping a slave is uneconomical compared to employing minimum wage workers and suppressing wages. 

You need to feed, clothe, home and care for slaves to keep them in peak working condition.

Minimum wage workers can be worked to death and then easily replaced by eager migrants coming across leaky borders.

[books]

Right now I'm sitting in my car with a cry-headache trying to leave to go to my brother's house. I barely have the energy.

The brother that drives a tesla?

[Potato]

Nep starting trouble. Dubs having to rush in and save her from making a total arse out of herself again. This guy is definitely getting got -

Every vote for the Democrats was a vote in favor of the Gaza genocide. Why do you like genocide?

You're right. You not voting saved them all. Pat yourself on the back you're a genuine hero

What is my voting record?

You either didn't vote and enabled genocide.
You voted for Trump and enabled genocide.
You voted third party and enabled genocide.
Or you're a giant fucking hypocrite and voted Harris and according to your enabled genocide. Pick one.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/for-those-involved-in-the-online-political-space-i-think-some-more-vocal-leftist-have-lost-the-plot.1237710/page-8#post-142439565

That's a fucking fatality!

[Venice]

Some PlanetSmasher lore.

From the 'I have a haemorrhoid thread'

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-have-a-hemorrhoid-and-its-hell.1238235/#post-142435071

PlaSma has a haemorrhoid 

I got my first one a few months ago and it fucking sucked. It took such a long time to heal up until I started using the topical shit on it multiple times a day, then it mercifully left on its own. But it was brutal. I was angry pretty much constantly and the only position that was comfortable was either standing perfectly still fully upright (no slouching) or lying down.

 

This is what happens when you get so fucking angry because you're too dumb to fit RAM into a computer 

Out of 8 Billion humans on the planet, poor haemorrhoid ends up being born in PlanetSmasher's asshole

Talk about bad luck 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Ive learned today that social engineering, on the lazy side, takes like 6 months? 

Imagine if you put your mind to it.

Imagine if

This is why snowden left he started to expose it.