Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cancel-your-game-pass.1234761/




Did you read the OP?  Why is your forum still using Microsoft ads?

The same dumb mod asking for speeding tickets instead of googling it
https://www.resetera.com/threads/speeding-ticket-in-new-york-up-resolved.884370/

[benji]

Like not voting, not gaming at all isn't much to ask to fight genocide*.


*DISCLAIMER: May not do anything against genocide.

[benji]

 Using savings from subscribing to GamePass to send money you would have spent on games directly to Hamas.
 Posting "Free Palestine" over and over on a "video game" forum that receives money from Microsoft, promotes Microsoft products and would ban you for saying anything else.

[Potato]

I too enjoy getting all my political opinions from superhero movies and 2 hour long youtube videos.

I much prefer getting mine from 1500 word benjiposts

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/superman-tracking-for-a-100m-130m-opening-weekend-200m-global.1239336/page-3#post-142573395

Tracking had already shown international numbers were bad for a while now, so I knew that would put a cap on the higher end of the movie's BO. Even so, this is actually worse than I thought. The movie is doing significantly worse than The Marvels in China.



I've been bullish on walkups and thought it would smoothly pass MoS. Not blow past it, but I thought it wouldn't have any real issue hitting $700m and maybe even 750m~800m with good wom and legs. But now it may struggle to hit $600m, which is crazy.

Us synderbros are feasting this weekend

[Jansen]

The brits in my company slack channel just called for everyone to delete their bluesky accounts. She's trans and says its no longer a safe place for the LGBTQ+ people in the UK.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bluesky-uk-will-require-age-verification-id-face-scan-payment-card-starting-july-25-to-be-able-to-use-bluesky-without-restrictions.1240776/page-5#post-142568808

Why is this something being discussed on work channels...?

Because they're part of the problem.

[Potato]

staff have a right on this forum to make a decision- even an unpopular one- and stick to it if we've come to an internal consensus about an ongoing situation.

Mods are literally saying the silent part.

“Even if all the other users disagree, we’re holding the line.”

There’s not even translucency here, it’s the Iron Curtain. 

“Yes, we all got together on this. Yes, we all agree to it. No, nobody has to explain themselves. No, there’s no record on the ‘consensus’.”

“And if you disagree with any decisions or even have a mod abusing you, please use the quiet, private ticket system that no users can see and we can easily ignore to appeal to some random, whom might be the very mod you are accusing/complaining about.”

I’m supposed to trust Queen Nep with a utopia and this is the form of government she has helped develop?

The users should force transparency on the moderators by posting screenshots of their tickets and the (non)responses they receive. 

They could even do it outside of Resetera so the cops mods can't cover it up delete the screenshot.

[BIONIC]

so when sommit like this happens again, we are just expected to submit tickets and not bring it up in here or we run the risk of getting threadbanned?

:/

to be clear: bans aren't even allowed to be discussed in this thread anymore and should be ticketed instead even if it isn't you?

That is correct.

edit: It also hasn't been allowed before in the CCD, it was just not moderated enough.

Does this also mean that when issues with staff/mods arise, we are to communicate this through the ticket system instead of posting it in this thread?

Depends. General policies can be talked about here but not specific bans, specially if the intent is to ligitate it. In that case, tickets are the way. If the issue is with a specific staff member, something you think we may need to look into, as the Staff Post says, a ticket is also the way.

Can you explain how putting all discussion around bans into the ticketing system improves things? Honestly I can only see it as pushing aggrieved members and their communities into other forums of discussions, which will only further push the us vs them feeling people have been describing in this thread for a while. Sure maybe it makes any one incident less of a flashpoint on this site, as unconnected people will not be able to see the discussion and have a take on it with their own grievances in mind, but again I think it'll just mean the same discussions will happen on discord or bluesky without any tempering from the wider community

this feels like a move that is the opposite of ‘transparency’ if im being honest

it sounds like a way to try and hide specific complaints being aired ‘publicly’, as public as this thread can be considered

a question;

say a month from now a similar situation happens again (i.e. 20+ people banned in a strange fashion that seems illogical or overreaching in mod power)

that would not be allowed to be discussed in this thread, only communicated via tickets?

would i have to submit 20+ tickets?

By moving all discussion about infractions in tickets, we can tag all relevant parties. Like lets say someone said something that's considered transphobic. I'll tag all LGBTQIA+ moderators that have access to tickets, and anyone else who was involved in that original report. That way we can deliberate together as a group and decide the best course of action.

You can see how a regular user would hesitate with that right, and why that's a problem? I don’t think a single person will feel comfortable sending a ticket to complain about any specific staff member.

Something like that needs to be in public, and staff should have that expectation of being called out by the community as they work for the community.

Can’t really be an authority figure and hide from public accountability. It’s not right. Doing it in public also allows others to come forward with their experiences.

There’s a chance of dogpiling, sure, but if it’s contained to this thread (which is watched with more scrutiny) and a lot of people come out of the woodwork to share grievances, is that not worth taking more seriously?

So are the mod team promising to provide a detailed response to every ticket?

Will the tickets be replaced to in a timely basis? Say within 24 hours of them being created?

If somehow a ticket manages to persuade a mod that a ban was incorrect, will the mod team then publicly mention this or will the ban be quietly lifted and with no comment?

User threadbanned: Inappropriate commentary

The *beatings will continue until morale improves* approach is always interesting.

wondering this as well

it’s fine to say “this is a relationship”, but how much actually communication will there be publicly for fucking up if all the “complaints” are essentially hidden via tickets

A chance of dogpiling is selling it short to be honest. We need to avoid that chance as much as possible because when that happens, all actual issues that there may be will get muddied and there's no way anything constructive will come out of that.

I understand your point, however the staff is not a monolith. If an user, or users, send tickets due to specific issues, and they get nothing, then you can bring that up as a general policy issue here (aka "I've send tickets with a problem and no reply"). That is a middleground that I think can work.

But when issues like that happen, several mods can look into that. It effectively can't be thrown under the carpet.

Because of the way mods are not always available we can't guarantee we'll respond to a ticket within 24 hours. And sometimes in general deliberation needs time. We've got different timezones we deal with as well.

To be fair, the dice stuff probably doesn't have much overlap or takes much time away from having staff decisions. Same with the tournaments. Having been a mod on a smaller forum, organizing events brings some levity to the more draining rule/ban/etc decisions, and I think plays a big part in preventing staff burnout. I wouldn't fault them for not devoting 100% of their free time to the heavy stuff, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I'm not sure what about the post Alice posted is unclear.

Ultimately, staff and members are at an impasse over the handling of the Bananza thread because of a difference in read on part of members and staff, which is just a mathematical inevitability over enough staff decisions over a period of time. It happens. There's nothing unethical about this.

Now, staff already undid some of the bans, so that was already a concession made on our part. Staff also explained in multiple posts why we felt the way we felt, which is a display of transparency. If you want every single member unbanned, I'm letting you know up front that we're not doing that, because we feel some of these bans were deserved and we have the right to stick by a decision we unanimously agree upon even if it's unpopular with the forum at large. We still are amenable to arguments for some of them. But we're not going to lift all of them.

As for ban brigading, this is also another impasse: Members, essentially, want to be able to come into this thread en masse when they are upset over a ban or series of bans and demand wholesale retraction and apology, to essentially mob and dogpile us to get their way. For multiple reasons that have been explained throughout the years of dealing with these flare ups, staff trying to navigate a situation like this is untenable both logistically and emotionally, and some of it has ultimately resulted in doxxing and harassment which, ironically, we just never get apologies for. Ultimately our health comes first, and this is why we had a preemptive prohibition on this behavior within this very thread.

This is not an argument that no feedback whatsoever is ever allowed ever again, regardless of whether or not the issues is contentious. This is also not an argument that we are somehow retreating more. If that were the case, we'd close this thread as people are suggesting and remove the ticket system and we'd just have to let it rock. This is us laying down the line as staff: feedback must be communicated reasonably and maturely through the appropriate channels that have been provided as a result of community feedback in the past.

No one is ever going to get what they want all the time if we are serious about this being a community and us being in relationship with one another to steward this forum. Sometimes staff fuck up. But sometimes, members also fuck up. Sometimes everyone fucks up. It is what it is. If neither of us can admit that, that your particular side is right all the time, then this is simply untenable. Staff and members could use some humility in that regard.

So that's the thing:

1.) No, we're not removing every single ban.
2.) Yes, we admit some of the bans were in error and we are openly calling for more feedback on any remaining bans people feel were unjust, and we will provide our reasoning and final review in a professional and appropriate way, but this must be done through the appropriate channels so we can actually organize and get a handle on this.
3.) Bans being in error do not make insults, harassment, calls for certain folks to step down, and conspiracism okay and they never will.
4.) We will be looking to improve ways of communication and overhauling the ticket system because I know and you know that the way it works now isn't ideal.

That's it. That's the message. If you're unsatisfied with this, so be it. I'm not entirely satisfied either with any part of this debacle, but that's my mess to sort out as an adult. I'd honestly suggest people not just go chill and do something more productive, but just understand that if you're disappointed, that is also okay. T'is life.

As I’ve said before in this very thread, we all tend to have certain things we focus on, though we all tend to handle moderation at some level. If someone’s working on a side project then others are handling other stuff. We have to be able to do both reactive moderation and proactive projects, but yeah, they all take up time.

Quadrupling down on the whole “We believe the article was clear and thus were stand by the bans” will never not be hilarious given that the article had to be resubmitted because it wasn’t clear and people on this forum and others said as much. Just admit you overreached and move on. But no, can’t show weakness by apologizing or admitting errors were made. This has all been incredibly illuminating.

With respect, I know how difficult this role is but I don't think something this trivial was worth digging in your heels for. You've just succeeded in fermenting further resentment when it could have blown over ages ago by admitting it was a mistake; the article was edited after it was posted after all and many posted based on the original ambiguous contents. I am all for standing strong when it's over a matter of great import but who is making Bananza wasn't it.

I understand not wanting to give in to perceived brigading but this isn't what has happened, you need to recognise that a lot of people independently came to the conclusion that this was a needless overreaction and that if people see that pointing out objection to it politely in this thread results in moderation, they are not going to be likely to come to you privately via a ticket. You have effectively created a chilling effect whereby some posters are going to be afraid to speak up lest they be considered trouble makers and others feel like they will be ignored anyway.

I KNOW this is not what you want and I KNOW you will take tickets in the spirit intended if they are polite but you need to recognise that this is what you are cultivating. Please have more self-awareness as a team and pick your battles better. I don't think a siege mentality is the correct course of action here if you want the forum to thrive.

Even ignoring that users have every reason to be hesitant to send their complaints or even mild criticisms to staff directly (we have examples in this very thread where folks were actioned because of a possibility of reading their words a specific way and were only unbanned due to others standing up for them), staff have admitted on numerous occasions that they are unable to keep up with tickets as is.

Asking users to send more tickets in that context can only ever be seen as their input being discarded. On the off chance that it isn’t, how can anyone trust that their thoughts have been treated with any levity required if already overworked staff have had even more added to the pile? Can you see how this solution simply isn’t viable to anyone?

I appreciate how many high up members of the forum staff are now communicating in this thread, at least now that a message has been coordinated between them

I will say, in regards to members of the community 'dogpiling', one mitigating factor to this possibly occurring is perhaps finding time to interact with the communities concerns a bit sooner next time something like this occurs, which unfortunately is likely

I understand that we all have our own schedules and whatnot tho, just my two cents

We did admit our mistakes.



We will deal with those internal procedures and workloads internally. It's our part. If it is an issue at all anyway, since instances like these aren't happening every day

User Threadbanned: relitigating a ban that has already been reversed

Right..
So I was banned for this comment.
“Yeah this is a nothing article we don't know if it's the same team. It most likely is but EPD Tokyo could have expanded.”

Multiple times the mod who banned me has said it’s because I didn’t read the article or how could someone not understand the article etc.
But it's now been confirmed that Kazuya Takahashi is serving as the game's director, let alone the rest of the team. Which has been proven time and time again that this is enough to justify calling it a different team.

So why do I need to be banned, belittled multiple times and told whats hard to understand etc, when what I said was clearly correct. This is pathetic behaviour when we are actually on a gaming forums to talk about games.. Then you get banned and pretty much called an idiot for saying something that is factually correct.

This article was pure click bait journalism and a lot of people were punished for it, seemingly because the journalist complained about resetera.

[Averon]

They just need to go over B-Dumbs' head and appeal to M.O.B.A directly. Tell them the people they have running Ree is sabotaging it with incompetence. Tell them they need to get B-Dumbs and company out now to save their ad revenue spigot.

[benji]

Now, staff already undid some of the bans, so that was already a concession made on our part.

For multiple reasons that have been explained throughout the years of dealing with these flare ups, staff trying to navigate a situation like this is untenable both logistically and emotionally, and some of it has ultimately resulted in doxxing and harassment which, ironically, we just never get apologies for.

Why should people apologize for something they didn't do?  

This is us laying down the line as staff: feedback must be communicated reasonably and maturely through the appropriate channels that have been provided as a result of community feedback in the past.

Like a community feedback thread?

Sometimes staff fuck up. But sometimes, members also fuck up. Sometimes everyone fucks up. It is what it is. If neither of us can admit that, that your particular side is right all the time, then this is simply untenable. Staff and members could use some humility in that regard.

But members are not a "side." They're just everyone who happens to not be staff. Nobody has any loyalty or responsibility for the group "members" like staff have for the power they undertake.

Yes, we admit some of the bans were in error and we are openly calling for more feedback on any remaining bans people feel were unjust, and we will provide our reasoning and final review in a professional and appropriate way, but this must be done through the appropriate channels so we can actually organize and get a handle on this.

Corpo-cop speak.

As I’ve said before in this very thread, we all tend to have certain things we focus on, though we all tend to handle moderation at some level.  If someone’s working on a side project then others are handling other stuff. We have to be able to do both reactive moderation and proactive projects, but yeah, they all take up time.

Like finding all the rules so they can be updated and republished?

We did admit our mistakes.

We will deal with those internal procedures and workloads internally. It's our part. If it is an issue at all anyway, since instances like these aren't happening every day

You're all saying the only mistakes were not making clear nobody should discuss anything in public because the community shouldn't be involved as they're an inherently hostile class by not being staff.

[BIONIC]

They just need to go over B-Dumbs' head and appeal to M.O.B.A directly. Tell them the people they have running Ree is sabotaging it with incompetence. Tell them they need to get B-Dumbs and company out now to save their ad revenue spigot.

But if that happens, where would we get our entertainment of never ending fuck ups?

[benji]

I wish to testify to the court that I have never "doxed" any staff because of criticism they received from members in the feedback thread.  

Should I submit this evidence via the ticket system or...

[Besticus Maximus]

All they had to do was run a videogame forum

[nachobro]

If you personally received an infraction from the DK thread or even want to advocate on behalf of those who received such an infraction (this has not always been the case in the past, and we're adjusting this) and wish to appeal, please feel free to send a ticket .

but if they are banned they can't see the thread. these people are not the brightest bulbs out there.

[benji]

As for ban brigading, this is also another impasse: Members, essentially, want to be able to come into this thread en masse when they are upset over a ban or series of bans and demand wholesale retraction and apology, to essentially mob and dogpile us to get their way.

Maybe they just are seeking a reasonable explanation which is never provided?

[Averon]

For people that supposedly hate cops, it seems they love using their tactics of using hidden, unwritten rules for punitive action; obfuscate simple and clear actions from the community at large; investigating themselves and *surprise* come back that they did nothing wrong; and duck responsibility via gaslighting the community.

What do you call someone that vehemently refuses to believe they are X and yet do every stereotypical action/habit X does to a t? Whatever you call that person, that is what B-Dumbs and his mod buddies are.

[StandingOvation]

These fucking mods, lol

[BIONIC]

I feel obvious "brigading," as in people being sent from a Discord to complain with no actual investment, would be characterized by countless people coming in and leaving low-effort "I hate da mods lol" posts back to back, not countless people coming in and making long, thoughtful effort-posts.

I…appreciate the warning I got when I hit “post reply” that my post may be considered spam though, that is very welcoming.

[Taco Bell Tower]

I'm not sure what about the post Alice posted is unclear.

Ultimately, staff and members are at an impasse over the handling of the Bananza thread because of a difference in read on part of members and staff, which is just a mathematical inevitability over enough staff decisions over a period of time. It happens. There's nothing unethical about this.

Now, staff already undid some of the bans, so that was already a concession made on our part. Staff also explained in multiple posts why we felt the way we felt, which is a display of transparency. If you want every single member unbanned, I'm letting you know up front that we're not doing that, because we feel some of these bans were deserved and we have the right to stick by a decision we unanimously agree upon even if it's unpopular with the forum at large. We still are amenable to arguments for some of them. But we're not going to lift all of them.

As for ban brigading, this is also another impasse: Members, essentially, want to be able to come into this thread en masse when they are upset over a ban or series of bans and demand wholesale retraction and apology, to essentially mob and dogpile us to get their way. For multiple reasons that have been explained throughout the years of dealing with these flare ups, staff trying to navigate a situation like this is untenable both logistically and emotionally, and some of it has ultimately resulted in doxxing and harassment which, ironically, we just never get apologies for. Ultimately our health comes first, and this is why we had a preemptive prohibition on this behavior within this very thread.

This is not an argument that no feedback whatsoever is ever allowed ever again, regardless of whether or not the issues is contentious. This is also not an argument that we are somehow retreating more. If that were the case, we'd close this thread as people are suggesting and remove the ticket system and we'd just have to let it rock. This is us laying down the line as staff: feedback must be communicated reasonably and maturely through the appropriate channels that have been provided as a result of community feedback in the past.

No one is ever going to get what they want all the time if we are serious about this being a community and us being in relationship with one another to steward this forum. Sometimes staff fuck up. But sometimes, members also fuck up. Sometimes everyone fucks up. It is what it is. If neither of us can admit that, that your particular side is right all the time, then this is simply untenable. Staff and members could use some humility in that regard.

So that's the thing:

1.) No, we're not removing every single ban.
2.) Yes, we admit some of the bans were in error and we are openly calling for more feedback on any remaining bans people feel were unjust, and we will provide our reasoning and final review in a professional and appropriate way, but this must be done through the appropriate channels so we can actually organize and get a handle on this.
3.) Bans being in error do not make insults, harassment, calls for certain folks to step down, and conspiracism okay and they never will.
4.) We will be looking to improve ways of communication and overhauling the ticket system because I know and you know that the way it works now isn't ideal.

That's it. That's the message. If you're unsatisfied with this, so be it. I'm not entirely satisfied either with any part of this debacle, but that's my mess to sort out as an adult. I'd honestly suggest people not just go chill and do something more productive, but just understand that if you're disappointed, that is also okay. T'is life.

IT'S A FUCKING VIDEO GAME FORUM 

[StandingOvation]

I feel obvious "brigading," as in people being sent from a Discord to complain with no actual investment, would be characterized by countless people coming in and leaving low-effort "I hate da mods lol" posts back to back, not countless people coming in and making long, thoughtful effort-posts.

I…appreciate the warning I got when I hit “post reply” that my post may be considered spam though, that is very welcoming.

That seems new - I don't recall a spam warning before, even with short replies.

[benji]

IT'S A FUCKING VIDEO GAME FORUM 

FACT CHECK:

It is difficult to create a community.

You can build a website and write a mission statement, but these things are only structural. It takes interest, passion, and participation from users to turn an inanimate website into a living thing. It will take the effort of every member here to turn our burgeoning congregation into the true community we are looking for. No moderator or administrator can be responsible for that – this is a responsibility every user shares. It is rare so many people have the opportunity to start something new together. If we are going to be successful, we must believe in what we are doing.

Many of us have come from someplace else and have nowhere else to go. We must be humble and mindful of this fact. As we adapt and recreate the homes we’ve lost, we must be conscious and leave certain things behind. We must shape them in a more perfect vision. If we aim to create someplace respectable and dignified, we must individually uphold those values. While first and foremost this is a hobby forum, it also aims to be much more than that for hundreds of its members. This is our pocket world. It’s our place to go. We are all each other’s neighbors and must treat each other as such.

There is no place else on the internet like what we are trying to build. We must take it seriously.

As you post and get acclimated with our new forum, channel your energy into reconstruction. Do not fall victim to petty arguments, do not capitalize on every opportunity to be negative, and remember that everyone here is a refugee. Seek positive conversation. Remove your ironic veil and speak honestly. Post thoughtfully and thoroughly and remember everything you contribute is a building block. Do not let our menagerie collapse under the same heavy-handed negativity that defines other forums we find distasteful.

• Be inclusive in your language, beliefs, and expectations. For this forum to become a massive multinational destination, no human being can feel unwelcome in its environment. Respect their culture, respect their gender, and respect the identity of every member at all times. Nobody should ever feel defensive of their humanity. This kind of hostility cannot be tolerated here. This kind of standard is non-negotiable and should be upheld by every member.
  
• Conversation is invigorated by dissent. It is natural to disagree with your fellow posters and it is commendable to take a stance on something you believe in. If you argue, do so in good faith. Allow members to speak their mind and answer them sincerely. Do not declare your fellow member a lost cause before the conversation has had the chance to conclude. Certain values are non-negotiable, but not every argument is untenable and we must allow one another the space to disagree.
  
• Restrain your urge to hyperbolize. Exaggeration overstates your investment and encourages extreme responses from others who feel the need to mirror your position. Attempt to articulate why you care about things, or how things make you feel, and leave room for others to respond at different levels of intensity.
  
• Do not forget where you came from, but focus on our future. Everyone here comes from somewhere else and we mustn’t cling to our nostalgia. This is a new era free from the burden of history. Embrace your new home, believe in its livelihood, and relish in this occasion. Do not fall victim to the false comforts of the past. Remember why we are moving forward and do so with pride.
  
• Lastly, be accommodating to the growing pains of the website. There are bound to be technical hurdles. There are bound to be trolls who slip through the grate. There will be some quiet days as members are approved and you may feel like important faces are missing. But you must have patience and support your new board through its afterbirth.
  

Be confident in yourself and others. Remember what you want this forum to be and hold yourself to that ideal. Demand it of your peers by setting the example. Nobody would be here if they felt at home anywhere else. Remember, we really are the last of us.

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[Boredfrom]

The movie is doing significantly worse than The Marvels in China.

I care so much about China tastes on films.

[JoeBoy101]

I got Dune to play tonight, so I'll post more on the ERA drama tomorrow after time on Arrakis and napping with Cerium.

But for right now...

   

[Uncle]

All they had to do was run a videogame forum

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

era really gets ad revenue from xbox? Why haven't any of the mods been told to quit their positions if they really support the boycott. 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

The movie is doing significantly worse than The Marvels in China.

I care so much about China tastes on films.

Ne Zha 2 btfo westoids

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/superman-tracking-for-a-100m-130m-opening-weekend-200m-global.1239336/page-3#post-142573395

Tracking had already shown international numbers were bad for a while now, so I knew that would put a cap on the higher end of the movie's BO. Even so, this is actually worse than I thought. The movie is doing significantly worse than The Marvels in China.



I've been bullish on walkups and thought it would smoothly pass MoS. Not blow past it, but I thought it wouldn't have any real issue hitting $700m and maybe even 750m~800m with good wom and legs. But now it may struggle to hit $600m, which is crazy.

Us synderbros are feasting this weekend

Sorry Superman, the new generation just doesn't care about you any more. 
 
We're in the era where the most popular superheroes among kids are a fat Italian plumber and a blue hedgehog.  

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

modern comic movies wish they had this.

[TylenolJones]

Mods need to take notes from Evilore. This is how you respond to terrorists in your community!!!

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bluesky-uk-will-require-age-verification-id-face-scan-payment-card-starting-july-25-to-be-able-to-use-bluesky-without-restrictions.1240776/page-2#post-142535367

Will Resetera eventually have to comply with these laws? or are they not included in this stuff

Yes. Reset era has what our government consider adult content, namely the existence of trans people is occasionally mentioned.

This change is designed to keep the poor, non-whites, and immigrants of every stripe, out of society at large. "We can't be racist/-phobic/etc to their faces? Well then, let's kick them off the internet..."

Let me guess, the UK government has a backdoor to Bluesky and this ID requirement helps them out.

I'm not saying im for it but let's not kid ourselves the internet in it's current form is fun.

I agree, the internet isn't a fun place anymore. Pretty much the worse people have either corrupted it or know how to manipulate it for their own evil goals. I would put even in question, if the most of the fun parts, where just fun for specif target group. The mainstream side of the internet has to change, even if people don't like to hear it, there is just too much at stake with real life consequences.

I think children being given essentially unrestricted internet access should never have happened. Technology advanced faster then parents could keep up. It would be really nice if we could circle back to actually educating children instead of fighting against their attention span every second they're in class.

The way I see it, this will cut down on less trolling. If you have a hot take, put your name behind it and don't be a coward.

Why is that unreasonable? It is the system we have been using since the dawn of time. You say dumb shit in real life and you get punched in the face.

Online actions not having consequences are exactly why we are in the mess we are in today. You are right that it might cause some other problems to work through, but given how fucked things are the only way is up.

I do get why people are against this but ultimately I think we've tried a free anonymous internet and it started off great but increasingly it does more harm than good, I think if you want to post to a place anyone can see it, deliver direct messages to an individual from anywhere, then you have to be willing to accept responsibility for what you're posting, and if that means you don't want to post...then honestly that's probably the correct decision.

I hope for social media this kind of barrier to entry will lead to a return of smaller communities built around shared interests like this one that are self-policing and have a much more limited ability to dogpile and spiral into something dangerous.

A reminder that anonymous accounts can literally be lifesavers for people in the closet or in abusive relationships and some people in this thread would do well to remember that.

I wish the US would do this for all social media, but our billionaires are too invested in farming the next crop of customers for the rage machine.

I too love to ignorantly spout off about laws assuming they will benefit me the way I want, rather than understanding the stated goal and actual realities of implementing the law.

This particular set of laws may be shitty, but kids shouldn't be able access and post on social media, or the internet at large. There's just no reason to let them do it, except that they represent a revenue stream for owners of social media sites.

Thats their problem not everyone else's

Generations of kids being warped into narcissistic rage monsters because social media is a finely tuned Skinner Box designed to do exactly that is absolutely everyone else's problem.

I barely use bluesky as it is. This will just stop me completely.

reddit discord and Twitter too

bsky catching hella strays in here lol

All easy to stop using too 🤷‍♂️

I'm not adding even more personal shit for some geek loser in a basement to hack in 3 years

Era not far behind.
This shit is going to affect the entire internet. I don't get the ire directed at individual websites, this isn't their doing. Some are just being more proactive about it than others.

Then I'll stop using here too. I'm not uploading my ID to discuss videogames.

I mean, getting off social media is probably better for everyone's mental health in general.

But anywhere that can have UGC will eventually fall to this requirement when these laws take affect. Especially once they deem gender transitioning, or even just non-hetero sexuality as "adults-only" topics.

The last part is inevitable. They've already shown their hatred for transfolk at every single opportunity.