Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-does-emancipation-for-the-palestinian-people-look-like-to-you.1266783/page-3#post-143766957

OK, this thread is going off the rails now so we're locking it.

Unlocked.

Every last Palestinian will be murdered before some people get it. Two state "solution" when people are being genocided and citizens are fine with it. Genuinely feels like some people are more interested in protecting the feelings of Zionists than Palestinian lives and dignity.

[benji]

Do not deny the right of either Israel or Palestine to exist as independent states.

Uh, nevermind I guess!

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israel-palestine-the-ongoing-israeli-genocide-in-gaza-icj-orders-halt-to-israeli-offensive-on-rafah-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/page-473#post-143769600

They're always just looking for the flimsiest excuse to lock threads about Palestine or ban Palestinian members for speaking out against Israel.

I still remember how we were treated during the elections. It's such an embarrassing look for the staff whose favorite hobby is pretending to be on your side until it actually matters.

This forum is NOT on the side of Palestinians. The election time proved that.

Really sad is that many western countries are starting be more flexible and actually somewhat criticize is Israel now but mods in this forum are still stuck to their years old views on Palestine.

This forum has made me mad so many times.... "Left But for Palestine"

The question posed by the op led to a lot of uncomfortable answers for liberals / liberal zionists who are against Palestinian emancipation. The Overton window has moved quite a bit since the beginning of the genocide and it will continue to move as Israel's evil gets harder to ignore. There is no going back.

I second this. It did not appear to be going off the rails. This feels just another attempt to shut down any thread about Palestine outside of the main one.

This forum is NOT on the side of Palestinians. The election time proved that.

As do the number of posters who were claiming that Israel would never bomb a hospital and are nowhere to be seen for the last year and a half.

The question posed by the op led to a lot of uncomfortable answers for liberals / liberal zionists who are against Palestinian emancipation. The Overton window has moved quite a bit since the beginning of the genocide and it will continue to move as Israel's evil gets harder to ignore. There is no going back.

Yep. And they're better get used to it because rhetoric surrounding Israel is only gonna get worse with time.

It's particular strange when even Ezra Klein is calling Israel an apartheid state and apartheid is literally derived from supremacy. This shit ain't edginess, it's fact. There is just decades of conditioning to fend off criticism of Israel that people are starting to break free of but it can trigger in some when actual deep discussion emerges especially if they were at one point massive Israel supporters.

That's a real struggle. I mean look at Trump, he does so much dumb shit and even people who's wives have been deported because of him, still say they support him! No one wants to think they have been indoctrinated into a something bad so they push anything that reminds of them of that, out of sight.

Like you say though there is no going back. Pete Buttigieg learned that this week as he miscalculated on people's passions on this. I actually don't think he thought he would be asked about it and on the old Pod he wouldn't have been. Now he's pretty much finished. He can run and stuff but it's over for anything more than a debate appearance if he actually was looking at 2028. All these politicians will get a pass on this by the Legacy media but podcasts will end them. Everyone needs to get with the program already.

[Boredfrom]

DONT BE A BIGOT OR JERK AND YOU WILL NO BE BANNED

What's interesting to me is how hyper-violent content is considered artistic expression (one not to be censored!) but sexualized character designs are seen as inherently harmful. If uncensored violence is accepted as part of artistic freedom and audience taste, sexualized designs deserve the same treatment.

User banned (permanent): Troll account

I’m sure they will going to be unbanned like Shoot was.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-480#post-143773038

isn’t this literally the exact point Era makes about the removed Steam games???

Being fair, the Burka Thread regulars have been extremely quiet about that controversy. The Street Fighter Swimsuits reveal has been their most active topic in months.

[Boredfrom]

Do not deny the right of either Israel or Palestine to exist as independent states.

Uh, nevermind I guess!

How embarrassing.

[Boredfrom]

The question posed by the op led to a lot of uncomfortable answers for liberals / liberal zionists who are against Palestinian emancipation. The Overton window has moved quite a bit since the beginning of the genocide and it will continue to move as Israel's evil gets harder to ignore. There is no going back.

Almost like you guys didn’t accomplish jack shit and required that Israel cross the line PR wise rather than any effort to “woke” people. 

Again, dudes, why the fuck are you not concentrating your rhetoric about the famine and ending it rather than a solution that no one wants but Iran and the extremist groups?

[benji]

Like you say though there is no going back. Pete Buttigieg learned that this week as he miscalculated on people's passions on this. I actually don't think he thought he would be asked about it and on the old Pod he wouldn't have been. Now he's pretty much finished. He can run and stuff but it's over for anything more than a debate appearance if he actually was looking at 2028. All these politicians will get a pass on this by the Legacy media but podcasts will end them. Everyone needs to get with the program already.

This poll from last week is California only, where Hasan and Taylor Lorenz reign supreme:

Looking ahead to the 2028 presidential nomination contest, Governor Gavin Newsom leads the Democratic primary with 23%, followed by former Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg at 17%, Vice President Kamala Harris at 11%, and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at 9%.

Full list of Democrats:

Gavin Newsom 23%
Pete Buttigieg 17%
Kamala Harris 11%
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 9%
Andy Beshear 5%
Josh Shapiro 4%
Bernie Sanders 4%
Cory Booker 3%
Tim Walz 2%
JB Pritzker 2%
Gretchen Whitmer 2%
Amy Klobuchar 1%
Wes Moore 1%
Rahm Emanuel 1%
Ro Khanna 1%

% of sample who said most important issue was anything foreign policy related was 1%.

At least 40% of Democrats in this poll support genociding trans Americans, you really think they'll care about genociding Palestinians?

[benji]

Do not deny the right of either Israel or Palestine to exist as independent states.

Uh, nevermind I guess!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-does-emancipation-for-the-palestinian-people-look-like-to-you.1266783/page-3#post-143774229

It's more the feasibility, not that people (at least here) think Israel has some fundamental right to exists, especially as an ethno-state. It's how do you end a nuclear state that doesn't want to stop existing?

How do you deal with this:

Israel has to collapse from within, first step is sanctions and arms embargo, without being propped up by the west and the rest of the world trading with them, Israel falls apart quickly.

One state with equal rights
Right of return for the entire Palestinian diaspora
Reparations and truth and reconciliation
War crime trials for the entire Israeli government, Mossad and IDF and their enablers in Western governments

End of apartheid Israel and likely just Israel altogether, right to return and freedom of movement, return of land stolen by settlers, and a lot of aid to help rebuild.

[Shecky Fragbaum]

Good thing he locked that thread before it reached "Collective Nation" level rhetoric, wouldn't want the regs to think that sort of discourse is sanctioned on the right side of history.  

Also, it stays raining bans over in that clownshow, yet sleeper chud accounts just somehow keep popping out of sparkly orange Marvel portals at a fever pitch.  It's only a symptom of the chaos that heroes like Shoot get caught up in a misunderstanding. 

Staff are doing their best, not like y'all deserve it

[benji]

Might as well just quote from all the pages since there's only three, guess that "do not deny the right to exist as independent states" rule didn't apply to this thread at all:

Prior to the October events, I would've said two-state solution is the best. But now, I think no Palestinian (or hell, any human being) would even entertain such a concept. The whole state of Israel must be abolished.

Complete dissolution of the colonial project of Israel. Execution of politicians and military leaders responsible for the violence. A new state which guarantees the rights and safety of all citizens regardless of race, religion, class etc. Billions invested in programs for things like reparations, de-radicalisation and integration.

I'm not that well versed on the complexities on the subject but on paper 2 state solution makes sense. I'm curious why it doesn't work or even feasible

Because the West Bank was supposed to be a sampling of what that would look like and no matter how moderate the PA was and how much land Israel had already taken they STILL wanted more. So they built illegal settlements there and continue to do so and are increasingly seizing homes and land from Palestinians there. This is a supremacist society that was born on ethnically cleansing the area. That core needs to be gutted.

Netanyahu propped up Hamas so the PA couldn't take over there. Israel will do that again. They will foment turmoil and then use it as an excuse to deprive them of freedom and land. Israel is too fucked to ever be trusted with anything.

I'm gonna let others go into why two state solution is awful but anyone who thinks Israel will stop genociding and killing palestinians just because they now have their own "state" haven't been following anything from the last 80 years. Israel routinely attacks it's neighboring countries and crosses into their borders. Even if Palestinians secure a state, Israel, the US and Europe would never allow it to flourish or have any chance to develop itself.

This isn't ideal or principled — this is rewarding a colonialist entity and apartheid regime's actions. Why do they deserve the right to live in this "historical homeland" when most (barring those from the Ottoman Empire days) haven't lived there for hundreds of years?

Additionally, the vast majority of Israelis don't have a genetic or ancestral claim to the land

this is nonsense

Netanyahu and many US politicians behind bars

The decision makers in the news media and the military complex industry too.

This. It's a pipe dream, but the 2 state solution has been a non-starter for decades, by Israeli design.

The more likely outcome is the successful ethnic cleansing and genocide by a settler colonial state, as was the case in the Americas, Australia, etc.

We're at the point where you have 1st and 2nd generation settlers who were born in settlements, as was the intention. You cannot have a contiguous Palestinian state that has holes in it like Swiss cheese. The settlements at their very essence are designed to cause conflict and stall any kind of legitimate resolution. Meanwhile, Israel does what it always has: kill, steal, ethnically cleanse, at a slow enough pace that the world doesn't do anything.

this is the only actual long term solution could result in a just peace that is within an even single percentile chance of being viable at this point. any claim that a two state solution would produce a better outcome at this point is naive at best and deliberately obtuse at worst.

Right of return is non-negotiable.

The minimum acceptable option is a unified state with fully equal rights.

I don't see how having 2 states rids Zionist power from realizing a Greater Israel when the same religious justification is used to currently genocide the Palestinians and bomb its sovereign neighbors. You need to get rid of a Zionist state no matter what. It is a genocidal ideology.

I used to be behind a 2 state with actual equal rights but that was never a true option. Israel always had almost complete control over Gaza resources even though they supposedly left in the 2000s so it was a false idea.

After the genocide there is not a single shred of any trust in Israel to ever allow Gaza and West Bank their own freedoms. If killing them wasn't obvious enough then the multiple times Israel has literally called for the extermination of the population and full on taking land should be more then enough evidence that Israel doesn't want any peace.

I don't know what the practical solution because that's not for me to decide. I have a personal view that Israel as is should be dismantled, all Israel government in jail in the Hague along with Hamas, and a new unified state that is run by a unfied people. An Israel type state (forcibly creating a country within another) cannot be repeated again.

That was an excuse given to not end slavery/segregation in the states, it's BS, give people equal rights in a single state.

Believe in people.

the fundamental issue with a two state solution is that it exists to ensure israel as it was defined as a nation-state in 1948 still exists by the end of it. it does not challenge the basis in which israel was established, it does not challenge zionism as a concept (and how it undergirds israel's political and social order), it does not try to resolve a contradiction in two equal states in which one has total military supremacy over the other. the entire nation needs to be completely remade in a secular, multi-ethnic image, whether there is one state in the region or two.

That's what coexistence would look like for Israelis and Palestinians if there is one state under Israeli dominance. In fact that's what's been happening all these decades. It is one state, there is no Palestinian state, and the people are being systematically eradicated by coercion and inconvenience.

It's nice to imagine "one state" without Zionism, but the only way to achieve that is to actually eradicate Israel. Which, I'm told, *checks notes*, is anti-Semitism.

Eradicating Israel is not antisemitic

The only exclusive Jewish state in the world is committing of one of the worst genocides in the 21st century. It is starving innocents, and murdering children left and right with unrestrained abandon. Israel as a concept is forever stained by the mass atrocities. Jewish representation will continue to exist in many forms - but Jews need to abandon this historic plight they have attached themselves to, because now it stands for one thing, crimes against humanity of the highest order. If the promised land means you have to sully your hands with the blood of innocents, then you deserve fucking nothing.

Equal rights within a unified state. Full reconciliation and redress for the harm inflicted on them over the past century. It seems impossible, and it certainly won't happen any time soon, but anything less is a stain on the nation of Israel and its enablers. The USA, or course, is first on that list.

Israel completely removed from the region and the land restored as Palestine.

Giving equal rights is an end to Israel. Israel cannot exist without unequal rights. It's inherent to the ideology. It is a state for Jewish supremacy. For if it were not a Jewish supremacist state, it would no longer have value to Jewish supremacists.

Just look at Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL just give an interview where he doesn't want intermarriage as it would threaten the Jewish majority population. It's the same thing as American right wingers constantly lamenting about the idea of white Americans becoming a minority. That thought is central to even liberal Zionism.

In my mind is the complete dissolution of Israel (and the complete disappearance of the IDF), creating a secular Palestine where people who have had to run away have the right to return (including their houses stolen by Israel) and reparations by the deposed Israel government and western nations (including the European Union nations). Trials against not just the current Israel government but whoever has been involved that still lives should at least be involved in some way. A referendum for the palestinian people to ask them what kind of structure of state do they want. A full on plan supported by every single goddamn "first world" country involving money for not just reparations but the integration of the state of Palestine in the world as we know it, efforts in the de-scalation of possible radicalized groups that would appear post-dissolution of Israel.

Ideally one state called Palestine that is secular and has equal rights for all ethnicities and religions.

Any person with the most basic morals should be in favor of this.

To end apartheid in the context of Israel and Palestine is to end the very nature of what the state of Israel is and what it stands for.

Unlike South Africa, there never existed a country called Israel that ever tolerated the coexistence that is being advocated for. To achieve the aim of ending the genocide in any reasonable and practical sense is to destroy what Israel is - a Zionist state artificially created 70 years ago by western powers.

Without Western funding and weapons, Israel won't have the military capacity for long and their nuclear power can be stripped away. Hence why sanctions need to be placed right away. It will have to be by force then that Israel as a Jewish ethnostate is finished with, and it's either Palestine again or a new nation state that has equal rights for all, right of return, land back, reparations, etc.

are you aware that the vast majority of israel's population does not come from europe or the west, but from the middle-east itself? they came from iraq, iran, afghanistan, egypt, etc. not sure exactly where you want to evict these people to? they left those countries because they faced oppression there. only ~1/4 of israeli jews are of european descent and most of that is from USA/Russia, not sure exact figures but majority of its population have always been from the region..

You're ignoring the reality where Israel manufactured anti-semitic terror/harassment in those nations to encourage the diaspora to return to Israel.

Jews and muslims lived in relative harmony before the Ottoman Empire was cut up and divided

 

People also conveniently leave out that a lot of migrations happened during 1948. Some of it was a response to join the Jewish nation state encouraged by Israel itself (such as the One Million Plan), some of it was triggered as a response to the mass displacements during the Nakba which created a lot of tensions and backlash among Jewish communities in the region. Since then Israel has learned to leverage existential minority threats to their favor - they did it with the Christians in Lebanon and the Druze in Palestine and Israel. It has always capitalized its ambitions on the false premise that Islamic societies are largely monolithic and exclusionary.

The two state solution is dead. Israel already controls the west bank and have obliterated gaza . Israel does not have the right to exist as an ethnosupermacist state that is an apartheid state while also committing genocide. If supposed west enemies like Russia or Iran did a quarter of the crimes the Israelis commited they would have been invaded by nato .

You conveniently ignore the push factors and don't seem to lay any blame on the persecution of others in those middle eastern countries. I personally know someone who is Bahai from Iran whose family was threatened and they made it to the US on asylum, many went to Israel. How you flipped that on Israel is interesting.

you have to look at timeline — most of these push factors didn't exist until the issuance of the Balfour Declaration and the rejection of the McMahon-Hussein correspondence

like, this is genuinely just basic history man, I understand that Bahais fled Iran (hell, I know because I have Bahai family), but that persecution happened…after the Iranian revolution…well after the establishment of Israel

this is just hasbara at this point

One state solution with equal rights and full restitution of the land stolen from palestinians with perpetrators of the genocide facing justice. This is a pipe dream but so is the idea of a two state solution where Israel magically stops being evil while also being rewarded with keeping stolen land.

I really don't understand this point. How is that hypothetical Palestinian government supposed to protect its borders in a scenario where a bunch of lunatics takes power in Tel Aviv and lead a crusade for the Greater Israel?

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Me when Jeff Marvel deletes a tweet I embedded here

All these quotes will be lost, like, turds flushed down the shitter.

[HaughtyFrank]

People also conveniently leave out that a lot of migrations happened during 1948. Some of it was a response to join the Jewish nation state encouraged by Israel itself (such as the One Million Plan), some of it was triggered as a response to the mass displacements during the Nakba which created a lot of tensions and backlash among Jewish communities in the region. Since then Israel has learned to leverage existential minority threats to their favor - they did it with the Christians in Lebanon and the Druze in Palestine and Israel. It has always capitalized its ambitions on the false premise that Islamic societies are largely monolithic and exclusionary.

If Islamic societies are so tolerant why are there any "existential minority threats" Israel can leverage to begin with?

are you aware that the vast majority of israel's population does not come from europe or the west, but from the middle-east itself? they came from iraq, iran, afghanistan, egypt, etc. not sure exactly where you want to evict these people to? they left those countries because they faced oppression there. only ~1/4 of israeli jews are of european descent and most of that is from USA/Russia, not sure exact figures but majority of its population have always been from the region..

You're ignoring the reality where Israel manufactured anti-semitic terror/harassment in those nations to encourage the diaspora to return to Israel.
Jews and muslims lived in relative harmony before the Ottoman Empire was cut up and divided

He really blames the jews for antisemitism

[benji]

You'd think "do not call for the elimination of existing countries by outside forces against the will of the population" would be one of the easier rules to consistently enforce.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Do not deny the right of either Israel or Palestine to exist as independent states.

Uh, nevermind I guess!

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[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

People also conveniently leave out that a lot of migrations happened during 1948. Some of it was a response to join the Jewish nation state encouraged by Israel itself (such as the One Million Plan), some of it was triggered as a response to the mass displacements during the Nakba which created a lot of tensions and backlash among Jewish communities in the region. Since then Israel has learned to leverage existential minority threats to their favor - they did it with the Christians in Lebanon and the Druze in Palestine and Israel. It has always capitalized its ambitions on the false premise that Islamic societies are largely monolithic and exclusionary.

If Islamic societies are so tolerant why are there any "existential minority threats" Israel can leverage to begin with?

are you aware that the vast majority of israel's population does not come from europe or the west, but from the middle-east itself? they came from iraq, iran, afghanistan, egypt, etc. not sure exactly where you want to evict these people to? they left those countries because they faced oppression there. only ~1/4 of israeli jews are of european descent and most of that is from USA/Russia, not sure exact figures but majority of its population have always been from the region..

You're ignoring the reality where Israel manufactured anti-semitic terror/harassment in those nations to encourage the diaspora to return to Israel.
Jews and muslims lived in relative harmony before the Ottoman Empire was cut up and divided

He really blames the jews for antisemitism

Did you see what the Jew was wearing?

[benji]

Did you see what the Jew was wearing?

That's why we need the Zionists to be labeled in some way.

[JoeBoy101]

Also love that BDumbs lock message was conveniently deleted. Pretty clear he started getting heat, figured the Jews weren’t worth it, and unlocked the thread, unbanned shoot, and deleted his post.

Like a good little German.

[Alpacx]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-does-emancipation-for-the-palestinian-people-look-like-to-you.1266783/page-3#post-143766957

OK, this thread is going off the rails now so we're locking it.

Unlocked.

Why didn't B-Dubs highlight Particle Physicist's post correcting Era's "they're all white" belief about Israelis?

[benji]

Do not deny the right of either Israel or Palestine to exist as independent states.

Uh, nevermind I guess!

You'd think "do not call for the elimination of existing countries by outside forces against the will of the population" would be one of the easier rules to consistently enforce.

Actually, I've seen enough of their posts that even if they haven't literally said it (and I wouldn't assume they haven't, there's posts in the Palestine thread that come close), I know they'd argue this isn't fair because the hasabra Zionists know not to call for the elimination of Palestine but to say things like "two states" and "peaceful coexistence" which isn't viable because blah blah blah like they were saying in what I quoted above. Social justice clearly demands only the elimination of Israel and all Israelis followed by the establishment of a Palestinian Wakanda, anything else is the denial of justice. As such, the rule cannot be enforced anymore like the one about not calling Israelis Nazis.

And the staff clearly think this is a legitimate argument because they're simpletons.

[Snoopy]

I have a better idea. Not a 2 state solution but a 3 state solution. Jews, Muslims and Pedophiles. Think about it. If pedophiles had their own patch of land we'd always know where they are. Plus Jewish pedophiles and Muslim pedophiles could meet up on neutral ground. They could learn to get along and who knows, maybe one day they could be the light that brings an end to the decades of conflict. Peace through pedophilia. It really makes sense.

[benji]

Seeing the Caraballo tweet got me to look for the thread, unfortunately too many people bothered to find out if it was likely true before posting, thankfully not everyone did:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/supreme-court-formally-asked-to-overturn-landmark-same-sex-marriage-ruling.1267365/#post-143766849

Where are all the dumb fucks that said they wouldn't do this after they said they wouldn't over turn roe v wade?

But hey non voters taught democrats a lesson!

How is it possible that every day is worse than the last???

It isn't specifically about this case but I have zero doubt that a federal standard of marriage equality will end before Trump leaves office.

We are seeing more and more absolutely stripped away, it will happen.

yyyyyyyyep. after so many people were so damn sure that the supreme court wouldn't do the 'an official presidential act can't be illegal, actually', or overturn roe v wade, there's nothing these craven fucks won't do.

What I find myself speculating on is when and how they'll move on interracial marriage.

someone will bring up states rights or something and it'll be 6-3 based on not even the flimsiest excuse.

Soon after guessing this will be the next subset of the population that will start to be "disappeared" off the streets.

here we go!

[statement that would get me banned]

They will take it up.
They will overturn.
Maybe not today but it's coming.

The right hates the idea of anyone being in love and happy because they themselves are miserable demons that deserve the worst.

Leave people the fuck alone and MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS fucking monsters

Once the road to fascism starts, it picks up speed as more and more institutions and guardrails are dismantled, and norms are shifted.

This isn't going anywhere but the fact that we're even having this in the discussion means anything is on the table.

Next interracial marriage

Every single Trump supporter who somehow supports him being despite themselves being gay or bisexual can forever fuck off

I should stock up on tomatoes so I can throw them at any LGBTQ+ Trump supporters for being absolute stains on our community.

Why do people keep saying this? The Roberts court has shown time and time again that nothing is off the table.

After Roe being overturned I can't trust this supreme court.

No one should. Not every attempt to enshrine Protestant beliefs into law is going to succeed, but many will. Until we're dealing with a different court, it's going to progress in one direction.

Six of the nine Justices are Catholic, including five of the GOP ones.

After this, Interracial marriage is next.

I mean, the question isn't if they're going to overturn it, it's gone.

The question is the can of worms they might open for already existing marriages. Do they nullify all of them, or just stop any new ones.

After this, Interracial marriage is next.

Are you sure? The right to have a same sex relationship of any sort, not just a marriage, might fall first.

After the immunity ruling and Roe, people really are saying No way THIS will happen !

Come back in a few years and see.

Next Up: Loving v Virginia

I should stock up on tomatoes so I can throw them at any LGBTQ+ Trump supporters for being absolute stains on our community.

Stains on humanity in general.

How many times have I heard this in the past 10 years

They are going to take up the case. Try not to be surprised. And I suspect that they will overturn Obergefell on the same grounds as Roe, like they've been saying they would do since Roe was overturned.

Literally, this is exactly why I left Texas, because I refuse to live in a state where I will wake up one day to the news that gay marriage is once again illegal in my state. I think it has a greater than 50% chance of being overturned

Don't people underestimate this. This is exactly how the right eventually got Roe v Wade overturned. Just continually hitting the courts with cases designed to get Roe v Wade challenged until eventually they struck. This is the same tactic they will do with same sex marriage. Just continually pepper the courts for years, decades with cases designed to get Obergefell v Hodges overturned.

This isn't how they got Roe overturned and this case wouldn't be a way to get Obergefell overturned.

Wait, we are talking about the same Supreme Court that bends over backwards to give Trump what he wants? That Supreme Court? ???

They always find a way. States rights will happen at minimum. 6:3 They are a kangaroo ct.

That is fucking wild as an Australian. I mean, our country certainly struggled with same-sex marriage, but thankfully no one has bothered to attack it because it's political suicide. Even after years of Liberal (closest to Republicans/god freaks) control, we still maintain same-sex marriage equality and have no trigger State laws like US has.

But seriously, this shit is coming. The religious crazy folks have full control, and they will destroy everything they hate. Their "God loves everyone" shit is pure theatrics to appease the masses and conceal the daggers in the shadows. They don't care and will never care for anyone.

But yeah, it was inevitable. They won't stop until they've rolled back every measure of progress. Loving v. Virginia and Brown v. Board are next.

But hey non voters taught democrats a lesson!

They love letting perfect be the enemy of good. One of the largest barriers to progress in this country consistently without fail.

They love letting perfect be the enemy of good. One of the largest barriers to progress in this country consistently without fail

Yep. Its been a problem for a long time and only seems to be getting worse at a time when the Right is becoming even more lockstep.

But hey non voters taught democrats a lesson!

It's literally un-fucking-believable how naive most left leaning voters are in the US. It's bang head against wall rage inducing actually.

You vote idealistically in the primaries. You always, always, always vote pragmatically in the general election.

How the fuck is this even thing any more?

Politics is a controlled form of war. Once damage is done, it takes a very long time to recover. It's better to make slow, iterative, and consistent progress over time, as much as that is annoying.

[FUME5]

Benji, your site is fucked on Firefox.

works fine on firefox for me, recently I have had some odd issues from time to time and it's been VPN related

why are you linking an image from media.discordapp.net? someone on discord somewhere was talking about how they couldn't access thebire and posted an error pic on discord?

Quickest way for my old ass to get an image to post here.  Not using a vpn, still fucked on firefox across all my devices.

[benji]

Quickest way for my old ass to get an image to post here.  Not using a vpn, still fucked on firefox across all my devices.

Use thebire.com instead of thebore.net. I don't think I can get to the SSL for the other one because of the redirect. But I'll take a look since this has come up before.

edit: I've switched how the redirect works, because the domains and certificates were mismatched, this may avoid it now as thebore.net urls redirect to thebire.com versions. (Which is actually how I intended it to work before but could not get it to.)

[Boredfrom]

The fact that Karl still has a huge fanbase over this is all kinds of wrong.

Never let fools tell you cancel culture is a thing cuz it isnt

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verdict-on-the-defamation-case-between-karl-jobst-and-billy-mitchell-is-in-1st-april-mitchell-won.1149540/page-13#post-143767764

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Enjoying some Rickey's World Famous Sauce while watching Karl continue to say he isn't mad at all and in fact won. 

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

also can y'all chill on the israel loving here? The bire is pro palestine. Ugh..

I guess it's in y'all's jeans to love jews..

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Seeing the Caraballo tweet got me to look for the thread, unfortunately too many people bothered to find out if it was likely true before posting, thankfully not everyone did:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/supreme-court-formally-asked-to-overturn-landmark-same-sex-marriage-ruling.1267365/#post-143766849

These arseholes want this to happen more than the Christian kooks. 

1. It appeals to their accelerationist fantasies. 

2. They really want to stick it to all the gay people sick of trans shit.

[benji]

also can y'all chill on the israel loving here? The bire is pro palestine. Ugh..

I guess it's in y'all's jeans to love jews..

Woah, woah, woah, girlfriend, I don't love Israel. I just don't support any colonialist states, Era posters are all like "this is one of the good ones." Uh, no, they should all give the land back and move to take a carrot, leave a carrot economics. 

[Boredfrom]

Lol wut. Of all the things the get preferential treatment for...
The comedy is lost on me.

That's the joke. It's a humorous callout to the fact that it's such a rare occurrence while also celebrating that Blade (and Wesley) are cool as shit. The absurdity of 'racial inequality is a major issue that's irrevocably affected our community, so just let us have Blade, bruh' is the point.

“Anyway… let’s keep pretending this is a funny thread.”

https://www.resetera.com/threads/if-you-are-black-you-should-get-a-priority-pass-to-play-as-blade-in-marvel-rivals.1265922/page-3#post-143777484

The thread was so funny that required a necro bump and the “I was pretending being stupid” crowd to hype it.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israel-palestine-the-ongoing-israeli-genocide-in-gaza-icj-orders-halt-to-israeli-offensive-on-rafah-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/page-474#post-143778042

The question posed by the op led to a lot of uncomfortable answers for liberals / liberal zionists who are against Palestinian emancipation. The Overton window has moved quite a bit since the beginning of the genocide and it will continue to move as Israel's evil gets harder to ignore. There is no going back.

Well said. There's no running away from the crime of all crimes. Zionists but especially liberal zionists who are trying to Zone of Interest this genocide will be forced to reckon with the truth whether they like it or not.