Kulturkampf

[Nintex]

We haven't won yet but another small step in the right direction

[benji]

Wasn't that bin separating thing known to be stupid and actually lead to greater energy use and waste like decades ago?

[HaughtyFrank]

[benji]

Yes, yes, that's it exactly. As I've been telling people I'm denying them my essence.

[Eric Cartman]

Wasn't that bin separating thing known to be stupid and actually lead to greater energy use and waste like decades ago?

The things he's making a big deal about stopping are things we have never actually had to do, FYI.

[Polident]

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McDonald’s is starting a war against contraceptives.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Always knew Ronald was a rawdogger.

[PhoenixDark]

not from a lore standpoint but a moviemaking/storytelling standpoint, her scenes in TTT and ROTK do bring the story to a screeching halt when we really want to see what's going on with literally anyone else

if you're gonna have her marry aragorn at the end it's important to remind the audience she exists from time to time, but I feel like there could've been a better way

doesn't have anything to do with "omg a stupid female in my fantasy epic" and everything to do with wispy ethereal slo-mo for someone who is a hundred miles away not involved with the main quest, would be just as jarring if aragorn was gay and his gay lover Arwang was slowly dying

I definitely agree with this but my point is that Neckbeard Lore Guy doesn't care whether a scene worked from a moviemaking perspective or not. He's mad about any deviation. The recent LOTR stuff has kind of erased the fact that there were definitely hardcore book fans who didn't fuck with Peter Jackson at the time. First and foremost Christopher Tolkien but I definitely remember people on OneRing and other forums being mad about various stuff in each film. I know I clenched my first when Aragorn fell off that cliff in TTT. That shit was corny as fuck but audiences loved the drama lol.

It's funny that all this stuff gets historically erased to make way for either "woke" framing or "things used to be awesome when I was a child and are terrible now that I'm a man-child" framing. I remember plenty of ASOIAF fans hating on Game Of Thrones, even at the height of the show's quality and popularity. Today, the accepted framing is that GoT used to be amazing until Benioff and Weiss ruined it in the last 2-3 seasons. Yet I remember when book fans shitted on nearly every scene that wasn't in the books and enjoyed telling everyone how everything was more detailed in the books. Hell look at Star Wars and the way those loser nerds are trying to pretend like the prequels weren't universally panned and disliked by fans at the time (although the third movie got decent reception).

[benji]

Yeah, it's always a thing in fandoms where the new is despised and eventually a lot of it becomes beloved even if only a niche of it loves it. Star Trek: The Next Generation was absolutely hated, now it's praised as maybe the pinnacle of Star Trek. (With the other option, DS9, also being incredibly and massively criticized at the time.)

It's an easy criticism without having to say anything specific for a "fan" to haughtily declare "they didn't get it." Sometimes it slowly becomes clear that they did get it, the immediate difference that everyone could see was because of how much they did. DS9 got Star Trek and the difference was how this led them to say "what if the ship didn't warp away every week?" Similarly dear to my heart, the Zack Snyder Trilogy has been relentlessly attacked as "not getting [everything]" when I think it's some of the most truly comic book like movies ever done in the genre, it wasn't until Zack Snyder's Justice League where you could see just how much he did get it and everything we were seeing was the setup. A lot of times it feels like these "fans" are the ones who didn't get the original material, something that's quite easy to see on Twitter and elsewhere these days where people who completely missed the point of some straightforward media are always lecturing everyone else about their lack of media literacy. The number of times I've seen someone declaring something like the TRUE Batman or whatever which would require eliminating 90 years of the work related to him or something is truly countless (My favorite is, of course, stuff like MovieBob declaring that the best and true essence of Batman is the goofy kitchy Batman of the 1960's TV series and Batman and Robin film, since that's what he grew up with, while the "dark brooding" violent Batman is a betrayal of the character even though the original 1930's comics have him straight up killing dudes in noir detective stories.)

[benji]

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[Megamandrn001]

Yeah, it's always a thing in fandoms where the new is despised and eventually a lot of it becomes beloved even if only a niche of it loves it. Star Trek: The Next Generation was absolutely hated, now it's praised as maybe the pinnacle of Star Trek. (With the other option, DS9, also being incredibly and massively criticized at the time.)

It's an easy criticism without having to say anything specific for a "fan" to haughtily declare "they didn't get it." Sometimes it slowly becomes clear that they did get it, the immediate difference that everyone could see was because of how much they did. DS9 got Star Trek and the difference was how this led them to say "what if the ship didn't warp away every week?" Similarly dear to my heart, the Zack Snyder Trilogy has been relentlessly attacked as "not getting [everything]" when I think it's some of the most truly comic book like movies ever done in the genre, it wasn't until Zack Snyder's Justice League where you could see just how much he did get it and everything we were seeing was the setup. A lot of times it feels like these "fans" are the ones who didn't get the original material, something that's quite easy to see on Twitter and elsewhere these days where people who completely missed the point of some straightforward media are always lecturing everyone else about their lack of media literacy. The number of times I've seen someone declaring something like the TRUE Batman or whatever which would require eliminating 90 years of the work related to him or something is truly countless (My favorite is, of course, stuff like MovieBob declaring that the best and true essence of Batman is the goofy kitchy Batman of the 1960's TV series and Batman and Robin film, since that's what he grew up with, while the "dark brooding" violent Batman is a betrayal of the character even though the original 1930's comics have him straight up killing dudes in noir detective stories.)

I despised Mega Man Legends when it first came out, because I was all "Oh, Capcom has this unrelated 3D series it wants to push but can't sell it on its own, so it just steals the Mega Man name and staples it on, cowards". Then the video store I rented games from gave me a copy of it instead of Mega Man 8 and I decided to actually play it and said "Oh, this game actually rules, I'm an idiot, never mind".

[PhoenixDark]

One thing I'll say in defense of the Neckbeard Lore Guy though: he's consistent. There's this weird argument that if a fan is critical of a white character being changed to another race, they're racist. Nah that guy is just consistently a stickler for 1:1 shit. I'm not that guy but can understand and respect him without calling him racist unless he's actually racist based on other shit.

To me personally I don't really care unless it's just bad casting or stupid. Or even in case like HOTD, which most fans enjoyed, no one really cares about the  Velaryons being black except the most joyless book people. Does my lore brain think "they can't be black, it fucks up the entire point about pure Velaryon features..."? Sure. But it was damn good casting of a damn good actor, and he's nailing the role so I can't complain. Books are the books, shows are the show. I'm the type of person who just wants the SPIRIT of the source material respected. GOT didn't do that at all in later seasons.

[Polident]

Yeah, it's always a thing in fandoms where the new is despised and eventually a lot of it becomes beloved even if only a niche of it loves it. Star Trek: The Next Generation was absolutely hated, now it's praised as maybe the pinnacle of Star Trek. (With the other option, DS9, also being incredibly and massively criticized at the time.)

It's an easy criticism without having to say anything specific for a "fan" to haughtily declare "they didn't get it." Sometimes it slowly becomes clear that they did get it, the immediate difference that everyone could see was because of how much they did. DS9 got Star Trek and the difference was how this led them to say "what if the ship didn't warp away every week?" Similarly dear to my heart, the Zack Snyder Trilogy has been relentlessly attacked as "not getting [everything]" when I think it's some of the most truly comic book like movies ever done in the genre, it wasn't until Zack Snyder's Justice League where you could see just how much he did get it and everything we were seeing was the setup. A lot of times it feels like these "fans" are the ones who didn't get the original material, something that's quite easy to see on Twitter and elsewhere these days where people who completely missed the point of some straightforward media are always lecturing everyone else about their lack of media literacy. The number of times I've seen someone declaring something like the TRUE Batman or whatever which would require eliminating 90 years of the work related to him or something is truly countless (My favorite is, of course, stuff like MovieBob declaring that the best and true essence of Batman is the goofy kitchy Batman of the 1960's TV series and Batman and Robin film, since that's what he grew up with, while the "dark brooding" violent Batman is a betrayal of the character even though the original 1930's comics have him straight up killing dudes in noir detective stories.)

Off that, the case of Lex Luthor is quite possibly the most interesting. From around 1940 to Byrne's reboot in the 80s, he was all over the place. Look at Gene Hackman in those old movies. Real estate scheming. But reinventing him using the visage of Trump and various other contemporary big money players made his character. Some 45 years later. That's what the comics and cartoons followed. So, another 25 or 30 years pass. They're rebooting him for the new Superman and do the same thing. Reinvent him using contemporary examples of big money players. Zuckerberg, Musk, those sorts. Nerds got mad. Somehow they wanted a young billionaire in 2016 to act like Gordon Gecko. It's the faster horses thing.

Related: This is Lex Luthor's building in the movie



No weirdo billionaire would ever use X as a logo in real life.

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Elon 100% pisses in jars

[Eric Cartman]

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McDonald’s is starting a war against contraceptives.

lo-fi hip hop beats to study and get type 2 diabetus to

[Nintex]

Are we tired of winning yet fellas?

[Potato]

With guys like this on their side, new un-woke Disney can't lose

[Megamandrn001]

One thing I'll say in defense of the Neckbeard Lore Guy though: he's consistent. There's this weird argument that if a fan is critical of a white character being changed to another race, they're racist. Nah that guy is just consistently a stickler for 1:1 shit. I'm not that guy but can understand and respect him without calling him racist unless he's actually racist based on other shit.

To me personally I don't really care unless it's just bad casting or stupid. Or even in case like HOTD, which most fans enjoyed, no one really cares about the  Velaryons being black except the most joyless book people. Does my lore brain think "they can't be black, it fucks up the entire point about pure Velaryon features..."? Sure. But it was damn good casting of a damn good actor, and he's nailing the role so I can't complain. Books are the books, shows are the show. I'm the type of person who just wants the SPIRIT of the source material respected. GOT didn't do that at all in later seasons.

I remember when the most recent Fantastic Four movie came out, I said I hated that Torch was a black guy, and people puckered their buttholes.

What I hated was that it was just Torch that was black. Sue is Torch's brother. Why wasn't she black too? You could almost write that board meeting word for word in your head after seeing the cast.

"We should make one of the Four black, that would make our movie stand out."
"Okay, which one? Reed?"
"Are you fucking crazy? He's the main character and the main love interest, he can't be black"
"What about the Thing?"
"Bitch, you don't see his actual skin for most of the movie, that negates the point"
"Well, that only leaves Sue and Johnny. Do you want to make both of them black?"
"Two black people AND an interracial relationship? Are you fucking crazy?"
"I guess... either Johnny or Sue could be adopted or some shit, fine"
"Great, it's settled. Now let's brainstorm ways to completely and utterly piss all over Dr. Doom"

[HaughtyFrank]

One thing I'll say in defense of the Neckbeard Lore Guy though: he's consistent. There's this weird argument that if a fan is critical of a white character being changed to another race, they're racist. Nah that guy is just consistently a stickler for 1:1 shit. I'm not that guy but can understand and respect him without calling him racist unless he's actually racist based on other shit.

To me personally I don't really care unless it's just bad casting or stupid. Or even in case like HOTD, which most fans enjoyed, no one really cares about the  Velaryons being black except the most joyless book people. Does my lore brain think "they can't be black, it fucks up the entire point about pure Velaryon features..."? Sure. But it was damn good casting of a damn good actor, and he's nailing the role so I can't complain. Books are the books, shows are the show. I'm the type of person who just wants the SPIRIT of the source material respected. GOT didn't do that at all in later seasons.

Personally I just somewhat care about whether there's some sort of internal logic to it. Like the Lotr show has that Harfoot village of nomads who never interact with any outsiders and yet that village is somehow as diverse as a modern US city. Wheel of Time does the same thing, a remote village that never has any visitors and yet diverse like any big city. Meanwhile HOTD felt pretty smart about it by choosing the Velaryon family tree that lives further away. Kingslanding is already in the south, so feels fitting that the people across that sea would then be darker. 
None of that is dealbreaker but I think there's a way of just plopping diversity into your show and a way that actually enhances the world building.

[Uncle]

With guys like this on their side, new un-woke Disney can't lose

this man should not be comparing anything to flopping fish, holy shit

[Nintex]

One thing I'll say in defense of the Neckbeard Lore Guy though: he's consistent. There's this weird argument that if a fan is critical of a white character being changed to another race, they're racist. Nah that guy is just consistently a stickler for 1:1 shit. I'm not that guy but can understand and respect him without calling him racist unless he's actually racist based on other shit.

To me personally I don't really care unless it's just bad casting or stupid. Or even in case like HOTD, which most fans enjoyed, no one really cares about the  Velaryons being black except the most joyless book people. Does my lore brain think "they can't be black, it fucks up the entire point about pure Velaryon features..."? Sure. But it was damn good casting of a damn good actor, and he's nailing the role so I can't complain. Books are the books, shows are the show. I'm the type of person who just wants the SPIRIT of the source material respected. GOT didn't do that at all in later seasons.

I remember when the most recent Fantastic Four movie came out, I said I hated that Torch was a black guy, and people puckered their buttholes.

What I hated was that it was just Torch that was black. Sue is Torch's brother. Why wasn't she black too? You could almost write that board meeting word for word in your head after seeing the cast.

"We should make one of the Four black, that would make our movie stand out."
"Okay, which one? Reed?"
"Are you fucking crazy? He's the main character and the main love interest, he can't be black"
"What about the Thing?"
"Bitch, you don't see his actual skin for most of the movie, that negates the point"
"Well, that only leaves Sue and Johnny. Do you want to make both of them black?"
"Two black people AND an interracial relationship? Are you fucking crazy?"
"I guess... either Johnny or Sue could be adopted or some shit, fine"
"Great, it's settled. Now let's brainstorm ways to completely and utterly piss all over Dr. Doom"

If you write fan fiction you should establish the characters first

[Potato]

Oooh, Nintex had a challenger.

Fight. Fight. Fight.

[Nintex]

Ok, for the fans.

"Ok everyone, so I've looked at the scripts and I think we need to workshop some ideas to focus more on the entertainment side of things"
"EXCUSE ME WHAT ARE YOUR PRONOUNS I AM SHE/THEY HERS ARE HE/THEY AND SHE IS THEY/THEIR ALSO CATPEACHPIE HER IS OTHERKIN"
"Oh haha, sorry I forgot the introduction I'm just really excited about todays meeting so my name is Bob Iger and my pronouns are He/Him."
"BLACK LIVES MATTER"
"Yes, yes they do indeed matter thank you for reminding us Tyron.. I mean Theresa. So I liked the script for Iron Man 4 but I felt like it could use a bit more action and it seemed quite of out of character for Iron Man to glue himself to the highway to protest climate change. so I used ChatGPT to workshop some ideas. Read it and tell me what you think."
"CHATGPT CAN FUCK OFFFF"
"Tron 3, great work on that but I didn't really understand why Flynns son needs to change to an obese woman named Fiona who hates her teachers to make this work. The Edon Trusk character also seemed to be a bit on the noose"
"*GASP* DID YOU JUST USE THE N-WORD?"
"Eerrr... did I? Anyway... Mickey Mouse reboot love that but why is Mickey imprisoned in a concentration camp for 90% of the movie? I don't think that really works for a kids movie it seemed kind of bleak"
"KIDS MOVIE? YOU THINK WE ARE MAKING MOVIES FOR KIDS?"
"So moving on... Star Wars... very creative to do a coming of age movie of Darth Maul but again why is he trans and it seems kind of out of character to give him pink hair and tutu"
"DARTH MAUL LIKES TO DANCE TERF"
"Finally Pinnochio 2. Sorry, it just didn't seem believable to me that Pinnochio could be pregnant and Jiminy Cricket is the father so that one is not happening"
"I GUESS I'LL JUST KILL MYSELF"
"Well... that's it. I want to thank everyone for their hard work but I'd like to see more entertainment in these scripts, now if you excuse me for a second..."
"ENTERTAINMENT? IN THIS POLITICAL CLIMATE?"
*Iger leaves the room*
"Tim, how are you doing... look $5 million... no everything... yes I'm serious. No I've not been drinking... I wish I had Tim... I wish I had"

[Uncle]

[HaughtyFrank]

McDonalds ad is breaking people

[Nintex]

Once upon a time McDonalds was a place for children to get happy meals and adults just tagged along and it probably hits home because most folks have a memory of their parents taking them to McDonalds but no kids or stable relationships of their own.

Now those days are gone because we decided that it was more important for women to fill up cloud servers with emails and Microsoft Office documents or sell their bodies for likes in apps.

[benji]

Now those days are gone

17 years ago:

[Uncle]

15 years ago:

[Nintex]

Is that the final boss of Mother 4?

[HaughtyFrank]

[D3RANG3D]

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