Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[kaleidoscopium]

Feels like history is lost or being ignored. America has a unique and horrible history which makes gun ownership a necessity, especially in minority communities.

I have several guns due to this history and what my grandpa and dad both experienced as a black man and boy in 50s America. America has a history of roving white people kicking in doors of black people, raping and murdering. There are people living today who LIVED through those times and vividly recall this history. Today in America there are places you keep an side eye when you drive through. So for many its not a one man army fantasy or some Rambo thing, its real life and potentially survival. And my people's living history has seen the similarties with the past and the resurgence of those same elements now emboldened.

Als there is this myth that these goverment goons and (eventua) mobs of morons will just run wild. I can say from experience as someone who been shot, NO ONE wants to get shot. That is a real reality.

So yeah. Get a gun, be able to protect yourself and your family.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/you-need-to-get-a-gun.1269660/page-3#post-143869905

[Taco Bell Tower]

This sucks for the average Russian citizen but I understand why its being done. It takes away a source of tax money the Russian government could use. If only the game industry cared about trans people they would stop giving money to J.K. Rowling for Harry Potter. Suppose thats harder to get capitalists to care about when transphobes are not the enemy according to the western world.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-closes-all-operations-in-russia-after-18-years-ending-playstation-music-and-film-presence.1269801/post-143865786

Yes, let's compare the invasion of Ukraine with hundreds of thousands of victims to... JK Rowling being mean to trans people.

Fucking asshole.

So CD Projekt Red isn't transphobic anymore?

[Taco Bell Tower]

Its sad that the pole dance animation is probably smoother than 80% of the actual combat animations lol

It's highly likely given how stiff the punch and kick animations are for MK. They put all the effort in Jade's boobs bouncing I guess.

The many close ups ass shots highlight the detail they put for Cammy and Chun Li with these new outfits.

Why does Chun Li's ass need this much detail Capcom?



Is this why Outfit 4 took so long? Not on a unique new outfit but 4k cheeks

Jeeeesus this literally jump scared me lmao.

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[kaleidoscopium]

The cyberpunk warning banner is one of the unintentionally funniest things I’ve read on Era. 5 years later they haven’t updated it and it’s even funnier.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Epileptic PSA: There are reports that animations and flashing lights in this game can cause seizures. Read this article for more information


Why is there controversy surrounding CD Projekt Red and Cyberpunk 2077?

CD Projekt Red has a history of transphobia. This is well documented at this point and not a matter of debate. Due to this context there is particular concern about transphobic or insensitive content in Cyberpunk 2077 itself, such as the decision to tie gender to voice in the character creator, and trans fetishization in illustrations in the game—and these are just examples from prerelease footage. Additionally, there have been concerns about racist imagery and stereotyping. This article goes into depth about some of these issues.


What incidents of transphobia have occurred surrounding the game and the company, and why are they hurtful?

This list will be updated over time as more examples come to light, especially as the game releases and more content is uncovered. If you wish to have something added to this list, please send me a DM and get my attention.

On August 20th 2018, the official Cyberpunk 2077 made a "Did you just assume their gender?!" tweet in response to another twitter user. This joke is transphobic in that it stereotypes transgender people as constantly being outraged. This stereotype is used to downplay real and valid concerns that transgender people have, and is considered extremely offensive. In response, the official account made an extremely generic apology. There was no acknowledgement of why the issue was offensive, acknowledgement of the groups that had been offended, or reassurance that this would not happen again.
On October 22nd, GOG.COM a subsidiary of CD Projket, used the #WontBeErased hashtag that was trending on Twitter, and made joke of it in order to advertise their own platform. This hashtag was in response to the Trump administration trying to redefine gender and erase the legal existence of transgender folks. While GOG did fire the person in question, said person later went on to join an alt-right website. You can read more about this incident here.
Cyberpunk 2077 itself is a dystopian first person RPG, which means there are advertisements within the game itself. One of the most controversial aspects of the game exists around the in-universe advertisement for a drink called Chromanticore. This advertisement depicts an offensive, fetishized woman, with glowing male genitalia in full view. To say there are multiple things wrong with this an understatement, but the biggest issue is that it makes a mockery of transgender folks, by portraying them as a spectacle, rather than as human beings.
Chromanticore has also been the source of controversy even outside of the game. In the official cosplay contest hosted by CDPR, one of the finalists was the highly fetishized woman from the advertisement, portrayed by a cisgender woman. Once again, this makes a mockery of transgender folks, and their fight to be respected as human beings. To make this scenario worse, the cisgender woman in question has straight up treated the woman in the advertisement as a joke. A more detailed post regarding the issues with the cosplay has been compiled here.
Another concern with the game is the character creator, which has made the decision to tie the voice used by the player character to the pronouns selected during creation. One of the most common forms of discrimination that transgender folks face are expectations and biases regarding their voices. Additionally, by tying voice and pronouns together, they have created an uncomfortable atmosphere for non-binary and gender-fluid people, as they can no longer create a character that accurately represents them.
Compounding the issue is the fact that the character creator lets you pick your genitalia. This allows for transphobes to create avatars that can be used to once again make a mocker of transgender people. To make matters worse, CDPR have openly made some terrible, transphobic "jokes" on their own Twitter account about this feature.

Why is ResetEra allowing an official thread for this game?

There has been a lot of discussion about whether there should even be an official thread for Cyberpunk 2077, and many points of view were considered for this decision. Ultimately, a thread like this can serve as a platform for minority concerns to be aired and discussed respectfully, and given appropriate attention. We've also heard from minority members, including some trans members, who have asked for a space where they can talk about the game without needing to worry about trolling and bigoted posting. We expect all posters in the thread to extend the consideration and empathy to give them that space. We will be moderating as strictly as necessary to make sure they do.


What can I do to help fight transphobia?

Transphobia exists in many aspects of our lives. From casual discrimination such as the continuous misuse of a person's preferred pronouns, to more serious ramifications such as housing being denied, legal rights being taken away, and being discriminated in the legal system. Every trans person either has experienced transphobia in their lives, or will experience transphobia at some point.

Moreover, transphobia is a systematic issue that is present in every level of our society. Politicians fight to take away our rights. Celebrities use coded language and religious justifications, if not outright hostility, in order to continue to deny our existence. Media continues to portray us as the butt of a joke, or acts like we're something to be fascinated by, rather than treated with respect.

Actions speak louder than words: Become active in your local politics, donate to transgender causes, stand up for these issues wherever they arise, and if you know transgender people in your life be there for them and support them.


Here are some pro-trans organizations around the world where you can make a donation and show your support
For those of you in the US, The Trevor Project is one of the leading LGBT organizations. They are dedicated to crisis intervention and suicide prevention for people who are in need of support, love, and care.
For those of you in the UK, Mermaids is dedicated to the support of transgender, non-binary, and gender-diverse children, young adults, and their families. They have been around since 1995, and have been one of the most vocal voices speaking out against transphobia in the UK, including showing the dangers that transphobia imposes upon our youth.
If you would like to donate to CDPR's native country of Poland, you can find the Trans-Fuzja Foundation website here. The Trans-Fuzja Foundation has been around since 2008, and is dedicated to the support of transgender people in Poland in many aspects of life and society, including politics.
We are your friends. We are your family members. We're your coworkers. We're the people you meet on the street. We're the essential workers who keep society running in a pandemic. We're everywhere. We're not some sort of freak or joke, and we're not going away.

I want to give major thanks to Uzzy for lending her talent, time, and effort in putting together graphics and material for this official thread. Without her, this would not have been possible on such short notice. I would also like to give a shout out and thanks to Kyuuji for allowing me to use images and links from her own thread for this posts

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-ot-welcome-to-night-city-read-the-op-before-you-post.340270/page-504#post-55118572

The thanks to Kyuuji and Uzzy at the end makes it that much better

[HaughtyFrank]

^ I forgot that it all started because of this

On August 20th 2018, the official Cyberpunk 2077 made a "Did you just assume their gender?!" tweet in response to another twitter user.

The term "snowflake" has never been more fitting

[Taco Bell Tower]

It's good to know Ree admins and mods consider swimsuits as NSFW 

[kaleidoscopium]

It's not about home invasion hero fantasies it's about posting up to and standing guard at places where Trouble is likely to show up and preventing that. Drag library readings, food handouts, social gatherings, places of heavy immigrant employment. You can see how starkly different 100+ cops behave against a crowd of unarmed people (A George Floyd protest) vs a single person with a gun (Uvalde). These people are fundamentally cowards and it's relatively easy to scare them off. It just annoys me to see so many people in this thread calling the tactics of one of the most effective leftist groups in US history (Black Panthers) cringey gun nut larping.

There is absolutely a lot of Bad Shit that comes with having a society where guns are commonplace but a lot of that can be mitigated with measures already mentioned here. Education, training, and regulations are for sure necessary and I don't think anyone pushing for leftist armament that doesn't think so is worth listening to.

Canadian here in case anyone wants to call me a cringey gun nut larper.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/you-need-to-get-a-gun.1269660/page-4#post-143872704

It’s basically what they are, trantifa gun nuts 

Example

[HaughtyFrank]

You can see how starkly different 100+ cops behave against a crowd of unarmed people (A George Floyd protest) vs a single person with a gun (Uvalde).

"Ugh, stop calling people gun larpers. Now let me use an indiscriminate shooting spree as an example for why protesting with guns is actually effective."

[Ethan]

It's not about home invasion hero fantasies it's about posting up to and standing guard at places where Trouble is likely to show up and preventing that. Drag library readings, food handouts, social gatherings, places of heavy immigrant employment. You can see how starkly different 100+ cops behave against a crowd of unarmed people (A George Floyd protest) vs a single person with a gun (Uvalde). These people are fundamentally cowards and it's relatively easy to scare them off. It just annoys me to see so many people in this thread calling the tactics of one of the most effective leftist groups in US history (Black Panthers) cringey gun nut larping.

There is absolutely a lot of Bad Shit that comes with having a society where guns are commonplace but a lot of that can be mitigated with measures already mentioned here. Education, training, and regulations are for sure necessary and I don't think anyone pushing for leftist armament that doesn't think so is worth listening to.

Canadian here in case anyone wants to call me a cringey gun nut larper.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/you-need-to-get-a-gun.1269660/page-4#post-143872704

It’s basically what they are, trantifa gun nuts 

Example

10 bucks one of them end up killing another one in a polycule gone wrong thing.

[Besticus Maximus]

Wow it’s almost as if the trans girls and the right wing preppers posted on the same websites between 2000-covid

[Mask]

The real amusement comes when there is no discernible difference between the gender cultists and the Christian nationalists. Especially considering a lot of motivation behind becoming a gender cultist lies in lashing out against their Christian parents. Hence all the adopted Satanic imagery and naming. 

Yet they don't realize they've become the Christian parents they hate so much. All the way down to the fetishization of self-defense with guns and much more.

Honestly feels like a good premise for a movie if you could scoop up those controversy big bucks.

[Snoopy]

No. You don't understand. 

Paranoid right wing gun nut fantasists=bad
Paranoid left wing gun nut fantasists=good.

There's a difference

[BIONIC]

Wow it’s almost as if the trans girls and the right wing preppers posted on the same websites between 2000-covid

https://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?board=44.0

??

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/you-need-to-get-a-gun.1269660/page-2#post-143857629

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King_Jr.

you can't exactly fight back against the CIA when they put a hit on you.  

If only he was trans.

Who says she wasn’t?

[Tucker's Law]

You can see how starkly different 100+ cops behave against a crowd of unarmed people (A George Floyd protest) vs a single person with a gun (Uvalde).

"Ugh, stop calling people gun larpers. Now let me use an indiscriminate shooting spree as an example for why protesting with guns is actually effective."

To be fair, shooting up schools is something the trans community is increasingly knowledgeable in.

[Besticus Maximus]

Also, to be a huge bitch about it, a lot of the folks I've personally seen do the whole "you need to get a gun" thing are people who I've also personally seen lament how stressful they find making phone calls, or complain about how hard it is to cook dinner after a day at their computer toucher job, and it's like, babe, let's be soooo for real here.

Book mark this one for a stealth ban in a day or two
Some of those who work forces are the same who ban dismissers 

[BIONIC]

Moderation has always been a moving target, at no point was there an exhaustive list of all the things that could get you into trouble. It has also always greatly depended on context. It is entirely unreasonable to expect us to write all this down in a neat jurisprudence way.

There's basically two guidelines, where if you follow them you will never get banned:

1. Don't be a jackass
   
2. Don't be a bigot
   

Those basically sum up the expected behavior in the FAQ in broad strokes and most of what we do falls under one of those two categories. Most users easily follow these guidelines and have never received so much as a warning, let alone a ban. Heck, most of the people that post the most have never even been reported, let alone actioned. One of the major problems is that a lot of people feel like, so long as they are on what they view as the correct side of an issue, regardless of how inconsequential that issue is, that it gives them the right to break one or both of these rules. We might give a little bit of leeway when it comes to calling out bigots, but a lot of people take it way too far and as a result we wind up having to step in.

As for why we aren't actioning the suicide posts, it's because those are just examples of black humor and not making light of suicide. Most of the posts being talked about are a Spider-Man reference or a Simpsons reference or a reference from The Office. Trump wasn't on that roof because he was having a mental health emergency, he was up there because he was mapping out locations for that stupid ballroom he wants to build. As such, the posts weren't making light of suicide, but joking about how the scene closely mirrored scenes from popular media and how much people hate him because of all the horrible things he does on a daily basis.

If anyone does actually make light of a mental health emergency, that would obviously be actionable because it falls under the "don't be a jackass" category of moderation, but that isn't what was going on there.

So putting on my community manager hat for a minute, I think this isn't a terrible policy. I've used it in the past. It's absolutely reasonable to have a general "don't be a jerk" policy, because it's clear enough that everybody understands, but vague enough that you don't have people who comb through your rules and try to lawyer you out of moderation actions because what they did was technically not prohibited.

I think part of the problem here is that right now, this rule is being undercut by actually having rules that ban specific actions which are not obviously "being a jerk" in the way that might lead to one getting actioned, AND there is a thread, pinned at the very top of this subforum, which purports to serve as a log of specific policy updates and changes. Indeed, it contains hyperspecific actionable examples - things like not being allowed to post that Bugs Bunny Florida gif in certain kinds of threads. The sort of thing which might not intuitively be actionable, but which site administration has deemed unacceptable, and thus issued guidance about.

Thus we encounter the problem: there is a promise of regularly-updated logs about what is okay and what is not, but no follow-through. The existence of the pinned thread is an assurance that policy verdicts will be tracked, and when they're not, it's a violation of that agreement. Now, this might not be a major issue if there were no hyperspecific policy guidelines that had been added since Bugs Bunny got sent to meme prison, but as several recent posts in this thread have indicated, that is not the case. So really there are two choices here:

1) Retire the above thread, because it creates bad feelings, fails to serve its purpose, and creates inaccurate expectations; or
2) Regularly update the above thread to align with the expectations its existence creates

You could of course do nothing, but I think you'll continue to run into people being mad until you make a decision one way or the other. I don't think of the two options I've outlined one is inherently superior to the other (though I have personal thoughts about which I'd choose) - but I think that doing nothing is clearly the wrong decision.

I think it's fair to say that aspirationally we want to do number 2, it just ends up so low on the list of things to do on a day to day basis that the thread doesn't get updated remotely as often as it should...
I am not even sure what to update it with right now, ableism has been banned for many years, and the floor has generally been 2 weeks, that is not new.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/drake-seeks-kendrick-lamar%E2%80%99s-contract-domestic-violence-evidence-in-legal-battle-demands-umg-clarify-dave-free%E2%80%99s-ties-to-lamar-kids.1270383/

[Orange Juice Box]

No. You don't understand. 

Paranoid right wing gun nut fantasists=bad
Paranoid left wing gun nut fantasists=good.

There's a difference

I haven't even gone into that thread but I'm loving all the posts quoted of people saying some variation, "I am getting a gun but I unlike others I'm going to be responsible, I'm different."  Or, "but I need one." That's exactly how people describe themselves in social media posts after it's revealed they shot themselves or their kid found the gun. 

But it's Era. They are morally and stridently opposed to an evil but they have to make a concession just this one time. See the death penalty for an example. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/you-need-to-get-a-gun.1269660/page-2#post-143857629

Even MLK carried a piece on him and had a stockpile at home.
Just saying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King_Jr.

After all the times that Nepenthe has replied, "And where did that get him," to people saying MLK was able to pass amazing civil rights legislation.  That would have been satisfying to see some fool say that to her.

[malfoyking]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/drake-seeks-kendrick-lamar%E2%80%99s-contract-domestic-violence-evidence-in-legal-battle-demands-umg-clarify-dave-free%E2%80%99s-ties-to-lamar-kids.1270383/

Lol. They had no issues when Lamar was mentioning Adonis on Meet the Grahams but now what? Drake shouldnt involve kids now? FOH. I don't know whne Kendrick fanbase turned into the Swifties of hip-hop.

[Besticus Maximus]

*sigh*

The Black Panthers calling for an end to police brutality, an end to racial injustice and community are literal pillars of the modern social justice movement, particularly in black communities. They also showed the value of being armed in the communities they were in.

and their destruction is ALSO a valuable lesson. To discount them like that is shortsided.

The most profound thing to come from the black panthers was Tupac and he got shot as well

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/best-drowning-animation-in-any-game-released-on-a-nintendo-platform.1270443/

Just a normal day on reeetardera

[Jansen]

There is legitimately real shit gong on with certain groups in America that have never been more afraid.

And yet there are people in this thread supportive of arming up, who also were also supportive of abstaining from trying to stop Trump getting in at the ballot box.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/you-need-to-get-a-gun.1269660/page-4#post-143878638



B-Dubs

Locked on OPs request

https://www.resetera.com/threads/you-need-to-get-a-gun.1269660/page-4#post-143884422

Uh-huh 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/you-need-to-get-a-gun.1269660/page-4#post-143875437

The Black Panthers have been gone for about three times as long as they actually existed, with the official collapse happening like right after Ronald fucking Reagan was inaugurated, so personally it doesn't feel like an shining example of the epic powers of hashtag armed resistance and the magical transformative power of owning a gun.

Three months or permanent?

[Boredfrom]

Three months. Used to be part of the clique but seem to have become more sane over time. So a probation.

[Potato]

It's good to know Ree admins and mods consider swimsuits as NSFW 

Even better to know that while knowing they don't consider incest simulators as NSFW...

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ign-kamala-harris-campaign-is-launching-its-own-fortnite-map-freedom-town-usa.1020933/page-4#post-130776750

If you want Muslim US citizens and their allies to vote for the option that would help your loved ones you could try engaging in good faith. You're not going to convince anyone by acting as if other minorities getting genocided were a minor or lesser issue. Intersectionality goes both ways and US politics are fickle. Today it's Palestinians getting thrown under the bus, tomorrow it might occur to Dems to do the same with us queer or trans folks just to secure more conservative votes.

I support a ceasefire and want IDF to fuck off. If you want me to support not voting for Kamala, I guess that is bad faith I'm participating in.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bernie-discusses-kamalas-position-on-gaza-and-madison-square-garden-rally.1022652/

He explains why regardless of her position on the crisis, that it is imperative to vote for her.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-politics-ot-4-5-intermission-keys-more-like-uhhmmm-i-got-nothing-today.962805/page-1573#post-131464629

There is something wrong with the amount of people I've seen gloat about how they didn't vote. Like, thanks for nothing?

Privileged people with no personal stakes.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-to-sign-orders-ending-diversity-programs-proclaim-there-are-only-two-sexes.1086957/page-3#post-134602818

Its a little of that, and a lot of the democratic party being fucking idiots hanging this over to him pretty much.

How about we finally put a little accountability to the people of country that are the ones that are the ones that can vote?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ap-%E2%80%98it%E2%80%99s-not-personal-trump%E2%80%99s-deportation-efforts-find-support-among-south-florida-latinos.1140321/#post-137281788

We really don't gotta be "not all Americans" any time someone rightfully calls out how garbage of a country we are now due to the people of the country. 1/3 didn't even give enough of a shit to vote with democracy and maybe the world on the line.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gavin-newsom-giving-a-press-conference-on-the-election-rigging-response-act.1270491/#post-143884314

I'm not gonna oppose what he is doing here. but also won't be voting for him.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gavin-newsom-giving-a-press-conference-on-the-election-rigging-response-act.1270491/page-2#post-143885733

🤷‍♀️ You can't blame someone who is directly going to hurt them, to not vote for him.

Bonus:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/gavin-newsom-giving-a-press-conference-on-the-election-rigging-response-act.1270491/page-3#post-143886258

Hey, I'm trans and have a trans wife who isn't white...I kinda know about the boot to neck.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cancer-is-not-a-%E2%80%98battle%E2%80%99-so-let%E2%80%99s-stop-with-all-the-war-analogies.1268517/page-2#post-143813124

 User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissive Commentary; Antagonizing Fellow Member in Sensitive Thread

If you let us know if you get cancer, we can respect your decision on nomenclature as you manage it, OP

[kaleidoscopium]

That Gavin newsom thread is so good, clicky Carl losing his shit on everyone, zeovgm virtue signaling, nepenthe makes an appearance, and I’m only on page 2  well worth a read

We're at the point in the game where any minority is an easy sacrifice because there is no low Democrats can reach that would actually violate people's so-called principles here, because the only consistent principle a lot of folks have is "vote blue no matter who."

That "who" could literally be an anti-queer genocidal maniac and it'd still be acceptable because Trump is anti-queer, genocidal, and a rapist. Can't have that. We gotta put the queers back in the closet and genocide some Black and Brown people in order to win

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gavin-newsom-giving-a-press-conference-on-the-election-rigging-response-act.1270491/page-3#post-143886384

[Boredfrom]

Being dismissive in a thread geared to dismiss how others deal with cancer.