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[kaleidoscopium]

I learned to stop listening to Era on comedy when they tried to drag Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle. Two classic acts who are now banned for... making fun of a bald woman and for daring to question mental health issues.

When Planet Smasher is a supposedly professional comedian on their site, well... lol

[Uncle]

Even though i think this site goes too far sometimes, i most definitely enjoy reading the era insanity from this place.

It's important to remember that absolutely no one on this forum is truly a transphobe. I have never, ever seen anything even remotely approaching a hateful post on this site.

Instead, we just point out the insanity of people who are male one day, call themselves 'women' the next, and suddenly they become militant online activists, immediately demanding everyone share their newly-found worldview (and trying to destroy the lives and careers of those that don't).

I might be a "transphobe," I'm getting seriously disillusioned on the validity of the whole thing

none of my thoughts involve rounding people up in camps or killing them or abusing them in their daily life, it's more just wondering whether the whole thing is a symptom of something else that needs to be treated a different/better way, which will never be discovered because research that might reveal this is verboten, and wondering how things will look in the future if/when young transitioners start feeling like they were led down a harmful path without fully understanding the impact of their choices

I have no particular action plan/activism regarding this, don't want anyone to suffer, and wish those who are suffering could become happy and productive, ideally on their own terms

so if I am a transphobe I'm hopefully harmless

[benji]

You sure it's figurative? I thought there was definitely some Harry Potter book destruction going on from at least one prominent member...

I must've missed that, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Thanks, gave me a reason to look this up and put it on the server:

The full size image: http://thebore.net/re/potterbookfull.png

Cropped from Uncle's post above

'if you have to tiptoe on eggshells around us, that says more about you than us'

"It has been and remains a way to stealth provoke"

This is fundamentally anti-social at its core. Kyuuji's argument is that the assumption should not be that people are posting on these topics because they interest them or they have something to say about them but instead that such people's goals are to attack trans people first and the topics are merely the means to achieve their true end.

Paranoid conspiracy theory thinking. Claiming a divine knowledge of the secret ways of everyone that their mere existence makes them privy to. It's not tackled through counter-argument or simply mockery because the staff members openly not just encourage but impose this very thinking on the entire forum. It's anti-intellectual, delusional and exceedingly intolerant. (Especially to any outsiders to the local culture, the provincialism is so massive as to ensure foreigners to the culture will become victims.)

[AldusMoneyPenny]

How hard would it be to just...not post in the Burr thread and go on with your life?

[books]

This might make me a transphobe, but I don't believe the trans folks at era genuinely believe that they're women which is why they lash out with this performance nonsense.

[kaleidoscopium]

I'm not anti trans, but I am anti self-ID, and support people getting help for their mental health issues. When you can claim to be trans, and you don't need any treatment because you are fine the way you are... then what is it? Literally nothing, and not a protected class. Gender Dysphoria is real and has real treatments people can get, but it's not a badge you can just wear like a boyscout.

[benji]

I'm just tired of being told that we're the ones being a problem, for noticing and calling out how we're treated. And I'm tired of this notion that talking to us, defending us, or supporting us in a way that helps will somehow cause them to eat a ban. If you have to tiptoe through eggshells around us, that says way more about you than it does about us.

I’ve just… given up. Cishets do not care about us and they never will. Nothing can make them. Bigotry and hated just always win. I’m so tired.

Also we STILL have a problem with Cis user talking over trans users, suggesting we're either over reacting to something or what they have to say about it is somehow more insightful than our thoughts on the matter. this has been getting exremently frusterating and its been happening more and more. and there's rarely anything thing to report regarding it because they're rarely breaking any rules...

If your goal is to always find the negative, you will always succeed.

A paradox.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Burr closing posts:

The thread is locked while staff review reports. We will re-open the thread or update this post at a later time.

This thread will remain locked. If you haven't already, I would recommend researching his transphobic remarks.

We want to thank everyone who helped out by reporting posts from this thread.

In Constructive:

I want to lift the curtain a little bit, in regards to the Burr thread. We barely got any reports. So please, if you see a post that gives you a side eye please report it. Don't assume someone else will. Hell, if you aren't entirely sure its actionable say so and report it anyway. It's always worth a look, and we ping relevant LGBTQIA+ staff. Your input is valuable, and it helps with the overall health of the forum. Thank you. <3

Which made me realize Moogle's post doesn't have the normal 'locked due to high volume of reports'; now curious how many members actually reported. 'Report stuff even if it's not actionable!' is a great message for both promoting understanding amongst forum members and cutting down on the tidal wave of reports the staff is always drowning under.

One thing I don't see brought up here about Era because ya'll are so busy with trans stuff is just how dogshit Era is regarding anything comedy. And I don't just mean they get offended or whatever, I mean they literally don't get jokes. You'll see someone make some funny comment and then immediately afterwards someone will go "Well actually this isn't true because-" and i'm left speechless how they literally can't tell someone's joking unless they go /s at the end.

The problem with shit like this is that these people don't replace what they want to remove with anything. Burr is one of the best stand-ups to ever do it, a master of his craft that's been honing it for actual decades. There's no "watch this instead", it's just "remove things from your life". I've always said the Burr is great litmus test for whether or not you listen to people's points or you hear certain words and phrases and just kind of shut down. Can you imagine how little you would laugh if you felt you had to agree one hundred percent with any given comedian? No wonder they're so terrified all the time.

*insert james acaster annihilaters transphobes clip*

[kaleidoscopium]

James Acaster gets posted so often as a response to the evil anti LGBT transphobe comedians. So I finally watched that entire special, and he's just... not funny? Comedy is subjective so I'm glad they have something they can enjoy but for myself and assuming others he is not the silver bullet they think it is lol

[Megamandrn001]

This is to say that I believe here (and the OG The Bore) to be far more progressive, diverse and inclusive than ResetERA.com

...I was unaware that there was "thebore.com" that was similar to this site. Now I do. I'm learning context!

James Acaster gets posted so often as a response to the evil anti LGBT transphobe comedians. So I finally watched that entire special, and he's just... not funny? Comedy is subjective so I'm glad they have something they can enjoy but for myself and assuming others he is not the silver bullet they think it is lol

I like Acaster. I like the (few) other trans comedians I've seen. Rare is the comedian I just straight up don't like. I just can't imagine being so permanently upset that you can't even appreciate a well constructed joke that you don't literally agree with wholly and entirely.

[benji]

...I was unaware that there was "thebore.com" that was similar to this site. Now I do. I'm learning context!

That's the original, spun off of NeoGAF.com as Evilbore in the ancient times, became The Bore to distance from Evilore. It was having problems (it runs on an Apple Lisa, this runs on an homebrewed original Xbox) and was thought to be going down, so this was spun off of it to make sure the peer reviewed research could continue.

[Megamandrn001]

...I was unaware that there was "thebore.com" that was similar to this site. Now I do. I'm learning context!

That's the original, spun off of NeoGAF.com as Evilbore in the ancient times, became The Bore to distance from Evilore. It was having problems and was thought to be going down, so this was spun off of it to make sure the peer reviewed research could continue.

Thank you for educating me! I'll try not to derail further.

[Besticus Maximus]

How dare you all say they have no sense of humour! Have you not seen the count as high as you can thread? Sure some people took it too far and had a bit too much fun one or two times but everyone else has had a great time in there

[benji]

SAYING THEY HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR IS NOT FUNNY

[Uncle]

The problem with shit like this is that these people don't replace what they want to remove with anything. Burr is one of the best stand-ups to ever do it, a master of his craft that's been honing it for actual decades. There's no "watch this instead", it's just "remove things from your life". I've always said the Burr is great litmus test for whether or not you listen to people's points or you hear certain words and phrases and just kind of shut down. Can you imagine how little you would laugh if you felt you had to agree one hundred percent with any given comedian? No wonder they're so terrified all the time.

this is a great point

I always remember his horrendously offensive monologue that, like you said, if you just listen to is firing perfectly on all cylinders



it has the loudmouthed, plain-spoken tone of something edgy and offensive but is the exact opposite

[Tucker's Law]

Hi new posters, I just wanted to note that despite my WELL KNOWN stances it may be surprising to learn that I often don't care for or cringe at some language used here (though not as much as at any Nintex post) but I believe language policing to be regressive, reactionary and ultimately distracting from achieving tolerance and liberation. It, like any policing, creates power and people will always desire to exploit power. This eventually degrades into the war of all against all that Hobbes said power was supposed to prevent, it does not, it simply shifts it away from the public discourse where it can be openly discussed into cabals enforcing their own personal visions on everyone from the shadows Discords.

Additionally, if you cannot know the rules, and thus cannot defend yourself, you are denied due process. The denial of due process is the true linchpin of the authoritarian/totalitarian state. Due process is the essential component of liberalism. (In the Lockean/Smithian/Millian sense, not the Wilsonian/Rooseveltian totalitarian sense.)

I recently added a few word filters when they were requested and one that was not requested, typically I would not do this and definitely would not agree to an endlessly proliferating list of them. However, I acquiesced because I was able to make a joke out of it. (Same for the other word filter I added*.) This, along with the like economy, is an essential component in getting such things done on The Bire.

This is to say that I believe here (and the OG The Bore) to be far more progressive, diverse and inclusive than ResetERA.com (and NeoGAF.com before it) even if there may be much uncouth behavior that I may or may participate in and may or many not unintentionally encourage that I regret. Nepenthe is right for the wrong reasons, the future is the dissipation of power with overlapping communities self-policing, not the further centralization of a rigid hierarchy. She (and the rest) just incorrectly believes permanently imposing a rigid hierarchy and mass violence is the way to achieve this rather than further peaceful voluntary mass cooperation.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

You happy now, Pogi?

*Here is the reference I used: https://deadspin.com/last-nights-winner-donald-sterling-looking-at-those-5727545

I'm sorry for circumventing your word filter earlier, Benji.

[benji]

The problem with shit like this is that these people don't replace what they want to remove with anything. Burr is one of the best stand-ups to ever do it, a master of his craft that's been honing it for actual decades. There's no "watch this instead", it's just "remove things from your life". I've always said the Burr is great litmus test for whether or not you listen to people's points or you hear certain words and phrases and just kind of shut down. Can you imagine how little you would laugh if you felt you had to agree one hundred percent with any given comedian? No wonder they're so terrified all the time.

this is a great point

I always remember his horrendously offensive monologue that, like you said, if you just listen to is firing perfectly on all cylinders

it has the loudmouthed, plain-spoken tone of something edgy and offensive but is the exact opposite

Can't believe people went back and put a community note on the greatest Bill Burr comedy:

[Megamandrn001]

Can't believe people went back and put a community note on the greatest Bill Burr comedy:

Didn't Nia actually comment on that post basically going "What the fuck? Fuck you"

[benji]

Didn't Nia actually comment on that post basically going "What the fuck? Fuck you"

Yes, but he clarified that she still could be a minority sex servant:

[Megamandrn001]

Didn't Nia actually comment on that post basically going "What the fuck? Fuck you"

Yes, but he clarified that she still could be a minority sex servant:

"No no, there's a misunderstanding. I wasn't talking about you and Bill. I was calling other black wives purchased sex slaves. Also maybe you"

Incredible. How do you not delete your account after that

[benji]

Always being on the Right Side of History keeps you from feeling shame.

[BIONIC]

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...I was unaware that there was "thebore.com" that was similar to this site. Now I do. I'm learning context!

That's the original, spun off of NeoGAF.com as Evilbore in the ancient times, became The Bore to distance from Evilore. It was having problems and was thought to be going down, so this was spun off of it to make sure the peer reviewed research could continue.

Thank you for educating me! I'll try not to derail further.

Thank you for shutting up and listening to marginalized voices.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

The problem with shit like this is that these people don't replace what they want to remove with anything. Burr is one of the best stand-ups to ever do it, a master of his craft that's been honing it for actual decades. There's no "watch this instead", it's just "remove things from your life". I've always said the Burr is great litmus test for whether or not you listen to people's points or you hear certain words and phrases and just kind of shut down. Can you imagine how little you would laugh if you felt you had to agree one hundred percent with any given comedian? No wonder they're so terrified all the time.

this is a great point

I always remember his horrendously offensive monologue that, like you said, if you just listen to is firing perfectly on all cylinders



it has the loudmouthed, plain-spoken tone of something edgy and offensive but is the exact opposite

it's ironic that era became the white women saviour trop he's talking about

maybe that's why they don't like him now.

[benji]

I'd go back on the OG and find the post where I pointed out that for all the raging about representation and people dismissing the importance of it how they never make threads for all the stuff that does it right or is made by Black/trans/etc. creators and so on but I can't remember which of their endless number of outrages sparked that comment.

The point is:

The mission of Game Devs of Color Expo is to amplify the creative power held by people of color in games.

We do this by organizing revolutionary events, uniting our vibrant community, and building access to knowledge, funding, and opportunities.

Creators of color make great games but are often pushed to the margins. We fight to create a better games industry that is intersectional and equitable.

Watch the GDoCExpo Direct on September 27th at 1pm ET, and check out the full conference on our website.

Sales, demos, game announcements, etc. The artwork even vaguely looks like Lucio:


All I found is this thread from 2020 where they seem to be bitching:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/valve-is-set-to-sponsor-the-game-devs-of-color-expo.229522/

supporting devs of color is a good, necessary step, but their silence as people of color are murdered across the nation is deafening.

Even the slimiest biggest public corporate companies managed to put out a toothless condemnation of racism, valve is a private company with total autonomy if gabe newell gave a shit.

Would it really be that hard for them to come out and make a statement though? Actions are great, but their actual silence regarding the events happening in the world is deafening.

I didn’t say I would rather have them put out a statement though? As I said, their actions here are good and I applaud them for that, but it doesn’t and shouldn’t be an either/or situation. Would it really have been that hard for the most prestigious PC gaming company to have been able to just flat out at that they stand with POC? Several other companies put out statements AND donated to organizations that help POC. It really isn’t an excuse.

They had to find that out from someone's twitter, and when asking for confirmation from Valve, apparently received a whole sentence.

But as they say, actions speak louder than words, so I hope Valve will keep adding to and expanding on actions like this.
They could clean up Steam communities for instance.

Cool, are they gonna hire game devs of color too?

Don't they already?

They're still just another overwhelmingly white and Asian dev AFAIK

Actions and words don't have to be mutually exclusive. Yeah, there are game companies that haven't done anything but pay empty lip service, but there are also others who have publicly announced support and also donated to relevant charities.

itch.io came out with a massive game bundle and raised over $8 million for the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund and a bunch of community bail funds, in addition to public statements.

Valve, as THE leader in digital distribution for games, could have done literally anything, and it would have been better than what they have done so far. It took one day for them to put fucking Hatred back up on Steam after complaints about its removal, and after all this time Valve can't say shit about what's happening?

Gabe Newell can kiss my ass.

Massively goddamned disappointed with Valve right now.

I can't find anything about this years event on the zeitgeist of the gaming community. Can find lots of complaints about other events stage presentations not having enough members of certain demographics though.

Neoxon does not seem to have promoted this on his Twitter either.

[books]

They're still just another overwhelmingly white and Asian dev AFAIK

Poor Asian folks. White adjacent in recent years, victims of hate crimes but underreported, and kicked out of the POC club when BIPOC became the new word of the day.

[Nintex]

Word filters? That is frankly slippery in terms of slopes. Remember that without my complete and total endorsement no one would've moved to this board. 

[benji]

Word filters? That is frankly slippery in terms of slopes.

The Dutch Directness filter is in closed beta testing.

[Snoopy]

Kyuuji’s discord mob telling Silent Bob he totally looks like a woman

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Edit:

[Daffy Duck]

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I mean, it's not the best trailer at all but I like Bill Burr and his worldview so I'm sure it will turn out alright

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-2#post-112324562

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Looks like dumb fun. Me and the wife will probably watch it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-4#post-112329260

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Never liked it honestly.

It's hard to get a read on Burr. He says some super questionable shit then says something that makes him seem really 'progressive', to the point you rationalise that the questionable stuff is just part of his jock asshole shtick. Which I can't deny can be fucking hilarious at times.

Then there's this trailer which makes it seem like the dude is kind of just turning into a clueless boomer asshole. Maybe its just a shit trailer, I'll try to sit through it when it releases.

I mean it’s a fictional story that goes along with Burr’s brand of comedy where his entire schtick as of 10 or so years ago is that he’s out of touch old guy with a rapidly changing world around him that he’s desperately trying to catch up with which is highly relatable for a large segment of the populace.

F is for Family is just that trope set in the 70s. A lot of his recent more publicized bits are usually him not understanding why certain things are popular. Famously he has shit on Star Wars fans because he doesn’t see the appeal, and yet he is now one of the more popular characters from the Disney+ shows and he’s only been in 2 episodes.

Burr like a lot of public figures has lived an extremely public life. Thanks to the internet you can pull up clips of him back in 2014 making the same tired trans jokes Dave Chappelle is now, but if you listen to his more recent podcasts you can hear his evolution in understanding trans issues and his empathy for people who are deeply mistreated for no other reason than for who they are. He’s also able to see the contradiction of people who condemn or vilify individuals who go on hormones or get surgeries to be more aligned with their gender who then would turn around and take any number of gender-affirming drugs or undergo their own treatments to affirm their given gender like the Joe Rogans of the world who jump on TRT and promote its benefits specifically to men.

Dude is certainly not perfect and is never going to check off all the boxes for any one demographic. He’s a human being with nuances in his thinking like most people. But as I’ve listened to the guy recently he comes off to me as a dude who is generally “getting” issues whether they be on gender or otherwise. He’s always seemed to be class conscious, but is only more vocal about it these days as the contradictions in our society become much more apparent.

As much as people are shitting on this trailer I can probably tell you exactly how this movie is going to go:

Act 1: Bill Burr and friends are living their lives largely outside of the rest of the world. His son he had later in life is now older and ready to enter the modern school system that’s going to expose him and his friends to much younger parents than him who he can’t relate to. At the same time his job is also changing and updating company policy and demographics.

Act 2: Bill and friends bump heads with everyone as they become more and more frustrated with how they can’t relate to the world around them. He tries to do the right things by his kid but his stubbornness keeps getting in the way. This culminates with some big comeuppance he’s able to get over on the people who’ve annoyed him the most, but has the unintended consequence of hurting his relationship with his kid or negatively impacts him in some way.

Act 3: Bill realizes he has issues he needs to get over starts doing the work to apologize to everyone and make things right. He maybe finds a new job or makes amends at the one he has, forms a more cordial relationship with the younger parents around him, and his friends come along for the ride. He ends up becoming closer to his son and everything wraps up with Bill, who’s still learning, maybe making one final good-natured crack at someone he made amends with or something even more new comes in and sets him off again as credits roll.

It’s a movie that’s been done a million times and like I said previously, seems like it’s just a quick payday for him from Netflix to make a by-the-numbers “old person deals with the youths” comedy movie.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-4#post-112334072

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what bigoted shit has he said lately?

i only remember the bit about how one of those jailed Jan 6 terrorists was his hero.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-5#post-112337900

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I mean that just feelsl ike a Bill Burr stand up routine in film form.

Exactly, but I don't think it translates into a movie tbh. Bill is great, but he's also very abrasive. He needs some other comedians to make a film like this work

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-5#post-112339802

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Looks cheap but I like Bill Burr so I have to watch this.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-6#post-112341602

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Resubbing to Netflix for it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-6#post-112341986

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Might watch. Didn't look as bad as the title suggested.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-6#post-112343018

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OP this doesn't look anywhere near as bad as you suggested.

Just Bill Burr playing himself, mr angry shouty guy. I've seen worse today (and yesterday) for sure.

Might even watch for lolz.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-trailer-for-bill-burrs-directorial-debut-is-the-worst-thing-youll-see-all-day.766361/page-6#post-112350686

This thread will remain locked. If you haven't already, I would recommend researching his transphobic remarks.

We want to thank everyone who helped out by reporting posts from this thread.

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I'm just tired of being told that we're the ones being a problem, for noticing and calling out how we're treated. And I'm tired of this notion that talking to us, defending us, or supporting us in a way that helps will somehow cause them to eat a ban. If you have to tiptoe through eggshells around us, that says way more about you than it does about us.

I’ve just… given up. Cishets do not care about us and they never will. Nothing can make them. Bigotry and hated just always win. I’m so tired.

Hi I'm Melody the trans woman! You known me from famously being talked over by Cis posters in any thread about any problematic white cis guy who happens to be transphobic!

Well people have already said what I was already planning on saying here especially Patsy so please take everything they've said seriously, that Bill Barr thread should be a huge embarrassment for any leftist or left leaning community but especially one that has so many trans posters who regularly get talked over by Cis posters.
I get it, we're minorities here so it's hard to cater to us directly but at least idk ban positive discussion of transphobes like Bill Burr so I don't have to spend hours literally trolling in a thread full of supporters of transphobia talking over me like its a contest to see who the biggest piece of shit in the thread is!

Also we STILL have a problem with Cis user talking over trans users, suggesting we're either over reacting to something or what they have to say about it is somehow more insightful than our thoughts on the matter. this has been getting exremently frusterating and its been happening more and more. and there's rarely anything thing to report regarding it because they're rarely breaking any rules...

Melody, there’s also still a problem of TransEra talking over cis users suggesting they’re either over reacting to something or what they have to say about it is somehow more insightful than their thoughts on the matter. this has been getting exremently frusterating and its been happening more and more and there’s rarely anything to report regarding it because they’re rarely breaking any rules