Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Boredfrom]

I guess it's down to expectations though. At least from the outside we've always known Team Cherry were the kind of studio with the motto 'when it's done we'll let you know'.

If the backers had this expectation then nobody was harmed.

Until you hand over your money devs don't owe you anything.

It's just an industry norm (and marketing cycles) that lead gamers to expect trailers, reveals and features in the run up to release.

I think the crux of the issue is precisely that ERA is not usually as charitable with other developers or that suddenly people are batting for self admitted millionaires “having fun while working” (not same context, I know, but yet again ERA is charitable).

Era really is a miserable place when what's supposed to be a feel good story of developers having FUN during their development is being spinned into them mismanaging a project for imaginary shareholders and also they should feel bad for not using jira even if it would have made the process less enjoyable for them potentially.

In a fair society everyone should be able to pursue projects without risking the loss of their basic income, homes etc, this should be the kind of society we should aspire to rather than criticizing those that are taking advantage of their success to not make their work a chore.

I have both good news and bad news for you… THIS ERA HAS BEEN AS CLOSE AS SOCIETY HAS GOTTEN TO THAT! 

I don’t blame Team Cherry for taking their time, but I laugh at the notion that this is not a privileged position and that they don’t have a monetary incentive to keep their team small after previous success.

[Boredfrom]

Talking about entitlement:

Gonna be blunt... Fuck the fans.

Being a fan doesn't mean someone is owed anything. They are not owed access, or to be part of the conversation. If the game comes out and it's bad, that sucks. Bad games happen though. Fans knowing or not knowing was never going to change that. If it comes out and it's good, awesome. Your excitement has been rewarded.

The game being radio silent didn't stop anyone from talking about it.

“Fuck the fans… but pls save Scavengers Reign.”  

https://www.resetera.com/threads/scavengers-reign-is-now-available-on-us-netflix-note-fate-of-show-tied-to-how-many-of-you-watch-this-asap.886362/

[KillRideMedley]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/friend-called-me-saying-he-was-sexually-harassed-at-work-by-a-female-employee.1277778/

So apparently one of the female employees (he's her boss) randomly came into his office during their break while he was sitting at his desk at his computer. She entered his office, said "Hey", kept walking, went around his desk and got close and stood right next to him. She then took the backside of her hand, placed it on his shoulder, and slowly moved her hand up his neck and across his left cheek. As she did this, she said, "So...are you going to take care of me"?

[HaughtyFrank]

Talking about entitlement:

Gonna be blunt... Fuck the fans.

Being a fan doesn't mean someone is owed anything. They are not owed access, or to be part of the conversation. If the game comes out and it's bad, that sucks. Bad games happen though. Fans knowing or not knowing was never going to change that. If it comes out and it's good, awesome. Your excitement has been rewarded.

The game being radio silent didn't stop anyone from talking about it.

“Fuck the fans… but pls save Scavengers Reign.”  

https://www.resetera.com/threads/scavengers-reign-is-now-available-on-us-netflix-note-fate-of-show-tied-to-how-many-of-you-watch-this-asap.886362/

"Fuck the fans" is always a strange sentiment to me when it comes from someone making a commercial product. That shit is reserved for Punkrock artists

[Boredfrom]

Doesn’t matter, is harassment.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Democrats should see what Mamdani in NYC as a sign of what direction to go. Instead they are pushing back and they will lose once again.

A meme candidate winning a primary in a liberal city with his opponents being two extremely corrupt politicians that are hated by the public? 

While I think the old dinosaurs need a reality check… you guys oversell some candidates like hell. 

The Democrats stand for nothing. There's nothing to rally behind except anti Trump.

“Anyway, AOC WILL SAVE US!” 


https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-the-democratic-party-faces-a-voter-registration-crisis.1277751/#post-144177183

crocodile tears AOC crying in front of a gate wearing thousands of dollars worth of clothing.

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/friend-called-me-saying-he-was-sexually-harassed-at-work-by-a-female-employee.1277778/

So apparently one of the female employees (he's her boss) randomly came into his office during their break while he was sitting at his desk at his computer. She entered his office, said "Hey", kept walking, went around his desk and got close and stood right next to him. She then took the backside of her hand, placed it on his shoulder, and slowly moved her hand up his neck and across his left cheek. As she did this, she said, "So...are you going to take care of me"?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/criticisms-of-golden-age-simpsons-episodes.1273350/#post-144091053

Watched Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming last night and really bumped on the line where Lisa was excited to meet a female fighter pilot who "bombed 70 mosques during Operation Desert Storm".

https://www.resetera.com/threads/criticisms-of-golden-age-simpsons-episodes.1273350/page-2#post-144106602

Lisa the Iconoclast always rubbed me the wrong way. Who cares if you're "spoiling their fun"! Whitewashing history is never acceptable!

[Boredfrom]

A former community manager:

"I remember the Friday before the first layoffs, me and another CM were in the lobby and I was literally talking about how I didn't have enough money for groceries … Pete walked right up to us and bragged about a few new EXPENSIVE cars he bought and that we should come to his house and see them."

I feel so sorry for a Bungie community manager losing his job for being terrible at it. Pete at least tried to cheer him out with free food at his house.  

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pete-parsons-noted-car-enthusiast-is-stepping-down-as-head-of-bungie.1277622/page-2

Honestly, Bungie PR has been abysmal for years but I should feel sorry for the dude having a meltdown in front of his clueless boss and not found that funny or hilarious.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/criticisms-of-golden-age-simpsons-episodes.1273350/#post-144091053

Watched Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming last night and really bumped on the line where Lisa was excited to meet a female fighter pilot who "bombed 70 mosques during Operation Desert Storm".

[Snoopy]

At first I thought, well hold on now. Something's not right here. A man complaining about sexual harassment? This needs to be looked into. Then I read on -

He told me he was immediately repulsed, stood up, and asked her to leave

"Immediately repulsed." Mystery solved. She was ugly.

[Potato]

Sounds more like a dude who was trying to protect himself from being me-tooed

[KillRideMedley]

Sounds more like a dude who was trying to protect himself from being me-tooed

He still could be. Believe Women

[Potato]

https://thebire.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=379&pid=143302#pid143302

Why does this read as a fetish piece 

Lol, blueballs venturing outside the shitbin thread. Welcome to thebire, you shithead chud nazi.

[DavidCroquet]

Honestly I think Blueball can't be Jeff because lately his posts are increasingly incoherent. This may be a me issue, but lately I read his musings and feel like I can't find the point.

With Zeo, you always know exactly what he's talking about.

[books]

Newsom needs to champion the trans torpedo tits teacher from Canada to get extremists like Clicky Carl on board. We must stop the genoicde.

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/friend-called-me-saying-he-was-sexually-harassed-at-work-by-a-female-employee.1277778/

So apparently one of the female employees (he's her boss) randomly came into his office during their break while he was sitting at his desk at his computer. She entered his office, said "Hey", kept walking, went around his desk and got close and stood right next to him. She then took the backside of her hand, placed it on his shoulder, and slowly moved her hand up his neck and across his left cheek. As she did this, she said, "So...are you going to take care of me"?

 
"Anyway, I'd really appreciate it if you would stop doing that thank you." 

[HaughtyFrank]

Honestly I think Blueball can't be Jeff because lately his posts are increasingly incoherent. This may be a me issue, but lately I read his musings and feel like I can't find the point.

With Zeo, you always know exactly what he's talking about.

Also Zeo would delete his posts after an hour

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/friend-called-me-saying-he-was-sexually-harassed-at-work-by-a-female-employee.1277778/#post-144180690

I aggressively recoil from any physical touching that is not a clear fist bump or elbow tap.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jason-schreier-team-cherry-said-they-wont-be-sending-out-review-codes-for-silksong-since-it-wouldnt-be-fair-to-kickstarter-backers.1277328/

The whole idea of treating gaming journalism lesser than everything is pretty engrained in gaming culture thanks to the side effects of Gamergate. It's something that actively stems from the same people that would eventually lead to people like Trump rising to power and such. Not that surprised since I do think gaming culture as a whole still hasn't fully recovered from Gamergate, but you'd think we'd be at the point where we'd treat people with basic fucking respect. It's honestly been incredibly depressing to read this thread as someone that actively is trying to potentially pursue game journalism as a career.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-the-democratic-party-faces-a-voter-registration-crisis.1277751/#post-144176847

I don't know how this gets reversed tbh. They need Obama level lightening to strike again.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

I'm fine either way and as I've said in the past, I've have issues with how romance has been handled in video games (and the presses and communities reaction to it).

To try to sum it up (because I really don't want to write another 2000 word essay):

1. Romance and especially LGBTQ+ romance should not be solely based around the player, representation should be more then that and that can sometimes feel like the devs are hiding it from players who don't want to see it (not saying that was the intent). We SHOULD be seeing trans characters, gay men, lesbian, bi women, ace people, Non binary people in the games living out their lives.
   
2. I want CANON LGBTQ+ romances the same way many RPGs have canon straight romances. I want main player characters who are lesbians with canon girlfriends and love interests who are essential parts of the stories; same with gay romances etc. LGBTQ+ romance shouldn't just be the realm of Choice based games (where they can always be considered "non-canon" and ignored (or wlw fans be told off for enjoy say Chloe x Max or Edelgard x Byleth (damn that pairing is still so damn popular))), we have every right for our experiences to be canon and the focus of narratives and not just an optional choice. Same with wanting canon Black RPG protagonists, gay and lesbian protagonists, trans protagonists, autistic protagonists etc.
   
3. I've said this MANY times but I'm not a fan of playersexual romances and want lesbian and gay companions, I want bi, gay and lesbian issues brought up, I want LGBTQ+ experiences shown in ways that aren't possible if all romances have to fit for a player power fantasy. I also do not like the idea that gay and lesbian should be barred from being represented as companions or romances because deemed "bad" because they "ruin" people's power fantasies or players "immersion".
   
4. Honestly, I've been made very uncomfortable with how fandoms treat characters, like their owed sex or to romance characters. I've said this in the past but the old Bioware forums were really bad when it came to Samara (and character who had repeatedly said no to Shepard and was in mourning both times) and demanded she MUST be romancable which eventually she did in the Citadel DLC. Like... You're owed a date or sex, if someone says no, accept it, I feel like games should point that out.
   
5. On that related note, I dislike games where they treat not romancing a character a bad thing, like it's some sort of failure or treats the player character as lonely or give them no alternative videos.
   
6. Companions should have lives outside of you, which includes romances, like I said above, not everyone is going to be interested in you and LGBTQ+ rep should be more then just how it benefits the player, I want companions in pre-established romances or romances that flourish as the story go on, that are their own side stories that you can't hide away if you romance one of the characters.
   
7. I want games to move past the idea of the power fantasy and show the difficulties and hardships of romances and how to overcome them.
   
8. I dislike it when fans and press (which to this day I still feel the gaming press is very juvenile with how they discuss romance and sex in video games) conflate romance and sex and treat sex as mandatory for romance or as the reward/end goal. It's depressing to see romances that don't end in sex always considered bad or the worse, regardless of how well written they are. It comes across as all these characters are to people are dolls, the story or their characters don't matter to them.
   
9. I dislike how some video games with romance can feel so gamey, whether it's just letting you bypass it with gifts spamming, just saying what your companion wants to hear while contradicting that when speaking to anther companion with no consequences, just being to getting away with awful shit they hate by picking the blue option or shallow Charisma checks (which can feel abusive, gaslighty and manipulative) with no strains or consequences etc.
   

   My problem with romance in video games, is that it turns courtship into a puzzle, where it's just about selecting the right answers to make someone love you. Whenever I romanced someone in Mass Effect, it felt like a chore, and like I was manipulating someone. It's the whole "insert enough niceness tokens into someone and they will have to bone you"
   
   It would be more interesting if the characters had to be compatible with you based on what choices you've made, what type of character you've designed. This would be very difficult to implement though, so I don't blame developers for not trying.
   
   In comparison, becoming Garrus' homie in Mass Effect felt natural and logical.

   Indeed.
   
10. I want more lesbian and wlw focused video games in general; and many mlm and gay video games, ace video games, trans video games etc.
    

The problem to me is Obsidian mandating it to their teams. It's fine if a creative team doesn't want to have player driven romance, but don't force them either way. If The Outer Worlds 2 learns the right lesson from the first game, the player should be helping the companions find love. Playing matchmaker is fun too!

This, I'm actually surprised this isn't more common in RPGs (or a game that focuses on that).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lets-have-a-totally-normal-conversation-about-obsidians-decision-to-mostly-not-have-romance-in-their-games.1275567/page-8#post-144142503

I kinda agree that player-sexual stuff is more an issue of trying to not lock players out of as much story conent and interactions as possible, but I also don't think the game should ever dictate the players identities or sexuality. We saw how badly things went with Assassin's Creed forcing players into a canon romance.

I disagree and think more games should have canon main characters who have canon sexualities and identities (that aren't white/pale cis straight men). Video games are an artform like any others and creatives should be able to express themselves and tell the stories they want and explore the topic they want. If a game creator wants to make a game focused around the aro ace experience, they should be able to do that without having to compromise it. If a lesbian devs wants to have a canon lesbian lead with a canon wlw romance, they should. If a gay black man was to make a game about their experience or wants a character that's a gay canon black man then great. Those types of experiences and stories are fully valid and so many would be very difficult if not impossible to do if the creatives weren't allowed to dictate their main characters sexualities and identities and forced to use character-creation and choice based mechanics. A more diverse game industry, both behind the scenes and in front of it is a good one for me.

Choice games and RPGs have their place but they shouldn't be the only options for diversity and RPGs when it comes to our lead characters and video games in general with canon LGBTQ+, POC, Women, Autistic leads have their place. I desperately would love to make video games (Fighting games and RPGs) with canon lesbian (trans and cis) leads with canon romances along with lesbian/wlw fighting games with dating sim mechanics.

[benji]

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[D3RANG3D]

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump%E2%80%99s-doj-demands-every-writing-or-record-of-trans-youth-care-from-hospitals.1277808/#post-144183291

I would put my body on the line for my trans friends and that hasn't changed no matter what they try to do. I will always put my life on the line if necessary until trans rights are enshrined into law. I know I'm just writing this anonymously on a message board, but I am serious when I say this. It's a matter of life and death and I would rather these fascists die than a single one of my trans friends as a result of these monstrous policies.

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump%E2%80%99s-doj-demands-every-writing-or-record-of-trans-youth-care-from-hospitals.1277808/page-2#post-144183576

Seriously, ERA needs to update their shit and add a like button.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/criticisms-of-golden-age-simpsons-episodes.1273350/#post-144091053

Watched Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming last night and really bumped on the line where Lisa was excited to meet a female fighter pilot who "bombed 70 mosques during Operation Desert Storm".

[Boredfrom]

I want games to move past the idea of the power fantasy and show the difficulties and hardships of romances and how to overcome them.

No you don’t, stop lying. You want a power fantasy that caters to you.

[Boredfrom]

Also notable, Capcom said their Switch 2 games met targets.

Funny enough, this also means Switch 2 is the only console Kinitsu-Gami didn't miss expectations on.

  

[Potato]

Why that guy have no teeth?

[benji]

I'm absolutely expecting Haunted Chocolatier to have a similar "we were just having too good a time making it while totally funded by and secure from the success of the previous game" story. Makes me really ponder just how much human creativity we're squandering on the altar of capitalism in general.

Really glad that people are going to be able to play this soon!

Since it came up when I searched for it, look at this thread of people willfully missing the point lmao: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/qc7r7t/what_is_this_even_supposed_to_be_implying/

Hauntologic
4y ago
Why are we digging holes?

darthtater1231
4y ago
My first thought was the soviets ''forcing'' villagers to build defenses during the battle of Kursk

[deleted]
4y ago
ARGGG make those defences that literally will keep you from being slaughtered by nazis ARRGGGG we point guns at them because communism bad and being killed by fascists isn't a motivator somehow ARGGG

/s

Oggleman
4y ago
It’s mocking the idea that people are delusional about what type of labor will be required after the revolution, and are afraid of “real work”. It also takes as a given that there will be forced labor, which seems like a stretch and cannot just be assumed. It’s not even original there was a meme floating around a while back that said the same thing.

[deleted]
4y ago
Maybe forced labor for prisoners of war or death row criminals maybe, if like absolutely necessary in very niche circumstances?

otherwise we would use the tools we already have lmao.

Oggleman
4y ago
I could get behind forced labor for proletarianized capitalists and arch reactionaries, absolutely. I mean if the revolution doesn’t end up with Jeff bezos peeing in water bottles during his 12 hour warehouse shifts, can it really be called a revolution?

[deleted]
4y ago
Look, it's another iteration of the One Joke!

darthtater1231
4y ago
Oh man forcing villagers to dig tank defenses and trenches to defend from a genocidal regime is so bad especially when most of the civilians volunteered because they knew that if the nazis broke the soviet defenses those villagers were bound for a mass grave at fascist hands

[deleted]
4y ago
Idk they think communism is time traveling to mid-wartime soviet russia to do emergency labor to save the country.

Senor_Turtle
4y ago
Hell yeah brother, that’s why we have it so good under capitalism. Have fun working a job you hate that you can’t leave because it’s the only thing keeping you off the streets. Sure you can’t take time to follow your dreams under the current system but if you work hard enough and long enough maybe someday you might! And hey, at least it’s not communism!

/s

As always it's like they just can't grasp: it won't be up to you. Socialism is all conscript labor, not doing what you're assigned is treason.