Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Eric Cartman]

signal boosting a #cancelled creator

[benji]

I'm just so tired that because of the untrustworthy cis and algorithms we can't establish a true democracy where everything that's not compulsory is forbidden.

[Megamandrn001]

In a democracy, which of the following positions do you actually think gets closer to the end goal of progressive change that you want?
Pragmatic realpolitik and compromising where you have to in order to make tiny steps forward
Recalcitrant ideological positioning, where you would rather have nothing than water down what you want (which is coincidentally the end goal of the people who hate the very principle of the change you want to make)

Niether gets closer to it, it's a trick question. In a Democracy, you must have at least two opposing positions that nevertheless are participating in good faith. America has never had this, so you can never compromise to get what you want. Even if you could, the right wing destroys progressivism faster than compromise and incremental change could ever create, and this is why the Democratic party is, and always will be unless pressed by force, useless for actual positive change. If the Democratic party was capable in any way, shape or form of making the country better, they would have by now, but they have not. Republicans have largely attained all the goals they set out to achieve around the time Reagan was elected, but Democrats are still eternally on step one of... well, any issue they're supposed to be behind. Change will come from the direct and collective action of the people in various forms, not a party. But, as has been stated, this isn't a politics thread.

[benji]

Niether gets closer to it, it's a trick question. In a Democracy, you must have at least two opposing positions that nevertheless are participating in good faith. America has never had this, so you can never compromise to get what you want. Even if you could, the right wing destroys progressivism faster than compromise and incremental change could ever create, and this is why the Democratic party is, and always will be unless pressed by force, useless for actual positive change.

This is a rejection of democracy justified in reverse.

Perhaps a politik productive discussion thread is warranted, though from my experience that just leads to a cessation of the topic in general due to the intractability of illiberal and anti-democratic premises. 

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So perhaps such a thread is doubly warranted.

[kaleidoscopium]

Tell me more about how the Democrats are so much better for us, Era.

I swear if a defense for comes in here...

Give it a couple minutes. They'll be here.

Newsom can eat shit for this and there are definitely democrats who agree with him, but you know what doesn't help us? People who take something shitty that one Democrat did that jump to attacking every Democrat and then make snarky posts like this to dare anyone to disagree.

Like, this is nakedly Newsom trying to position himself for a run for President. This is nakedly *him* looking out for *his* interests, vs the party acting against us.

How did this bill get to Newsoms desk? Who wrote it? Who voted for it? What party are they members of?

How does taking any bad thing a Democrat does and using it to argue the party are no better than the GOP help us?

Tell me.

Are we pretending that the Democratic Party doesn't make a habit of doing just this? But you're right in this regard: despite their many failures, the Democrats are better than the Republicans BY FAR. Ffs, vote for harm reduction!

Sacrificing minority groups for the sake of electability and appeal to people with more conservative (and that's being incredibly kind) values has been a CONSISTENT pattern of behavior of Dems. This isn't a "one-off".

Perhaps instead of trying to browbeat the marginalized for daring to criticize their elected officials, this energy would be better spent redirected towards said officials to not kowtow to a bigoted populace who espouses oppressive rhetoric

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gavin-newsom-2028-throws-the-california-trans-community-under-his-future-campaign-bus-by-vetoing-trans-child-protection-custody-bill.767459/#post-112468202

This election cycle is going to be juicy

[Megamandrn001]

Niether gets closer to it, it's a trick question. In a Democracy, you must have at least two opposing positions that nevertheless are participating in good faith. America has never had this, so you can never compromise to get what you want. Even if you could, the right wing destroys progressivism faster than compromise and incremental change could ever create, and this is why the Democratic party is, and always will be unless pressed by force, useless for actual positive change.

This is a rejection of democracy justified in reverse.

Perhaps a politik productive discussion thread is warranted, though from my experience that just leads to a cessation of the topic in general due to the intractability of illiberal and anti-democratic premises. 

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

So perhaps such a thread is doubly warranted.

This isn't a rejection of Democracy. It's a rejection of the idea that America has ever had a truly functional one. If it ever did, it certainly doesn't now.

I'm not against the idea of incremental change. I'm against the idea of incremental change being the only tool in the toolbox that is useful in all political climes and eras. It's perfectly fine in times of relative internal peace and relative unity. This has not described America since roughly around Nixon.

[Eric Cartman]

[benji]

Perhaps a politik productive discussion thread is warranted, though from my experience that just leads to a cessation of the topic in general due to the intractability of illiberal and anti-democratic premises. 

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

So perhaps such a thread is doubly warranted.

This isn't a rejection of Democracy. It's a rejection of the idea that America has ever had a truly functional one. If it ever did, it certainly doesn't now.

I'm not against the idea of incremental change. I'm against the idea of incremental change being the only tool in the toolbox that is useful in all political climes and eras. It's perfectly fine in times of relative internal peace and relative unity. This has not described America since roughly around Nixon.

I chose to make it: https://thebore.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=75

[kaleidoscopium]

Singling out Democrats that aren't good enough, or when one does shit that isn't good enough is, imho, going to get us a lot further than jumping at an excuse to post 'both sides are the same, do you dare to disagree?'

Like, if you said that about Labour Party I wouldn't flinch because they're pretty much indistinguishable when it comes to trans issues from the conservatives, but why take Newsom doing something heinous to attack the whole party? Hoe does that encourage all the Democrats that fought for this bill to keep doing so? How does that encourage them to override this veto, which I believe they can?

I get needing to vent. Just not sure why you choose to vent at other posters who you disagree with because Newsom did something demonstrably wrong.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gavin-newsom-2028-throws-the-california-trans-community-under-his-future-campaign-bus-by-vetoing-trans-child-protection-custody-bill.767459/#post-112468601

Looking forward to the shit flinging that will be in "constructive" now 😂

The Democratic party has done transgender people 0 favors besides opposing the obviously evil party of fascism.

[benji]

Sacrificing minority groups for the sake of electability and appeal to people with more conservative (and that's being incredibly kind) values has been a CONSISTENT pattern of behavior of Dems. This isn't a "one-off".

Perhaps instead of trying to browbeat the marginalized for daring to criticize their elected officials, this energy would be better spent redirected towards said officials to not kowtow to a bigoted populace who espouses oppressive rhetoric

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gavin-newsom-2028-throws-the-california-trans-community-under-his-future-campaign-bus-by-vetoing-trans-child-protection-custody-bill.767459/#post-112468202

The fools, the idiots, what's wrong with their heads???

[Megamandrn001]

Tell me more about how the Democrats are so much better for us, Era.

I swear if a defense for comes in here...

Give it a couple minutes. They'll be here.

Newsom can eat shit for this and there are definitely democrats who agree with him, but you know what doesn't help us? People who take something shitty that one Democrat did that jump to attacking every Democrat and then make snarky posts like this to dare anyone to disagree.

Like, this is nakedly Newsom trying to position himself for a run for President. This is nakedly *him* looking out for *his* interests, vs the party acting against us.

How did this bill get to Newsoms desk? Who wrote it? Who voted for it? What party are they members of?

How does taking any bad thing a Democrat does and using it to argue the party are no better than the GOP help us?

Tell me.

Are we pretending that the Democratic Party doesn't make a habit of doing just this? But you're right in this regard: despite their many failures, the Democrats are better than the Republicans BY FAR. Ffs, vote for harm reduction!

Sacrificing minority groups for the sake of electability and appeal to people with more conservative (and that's being incredibly kind) values has been a CONSISTENT pattern of behavior of Dems. This isn't a "one-off".

Perhaps instead of trying to browbeat the marginalized for daring to criticize their elected officials, this energy would be better spent redirected towards said officials to not kowtow to a bigoted populace who espouses oppressive rhetoric

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gavin-newsom-2028-throws-the-california-trans-community-under-his-future-campaign-bus-by-vetoing-trans-child-protection-custody-bill.767459/#post-112468202

This election cycle is going to be juicy

Thing is, like I said, there absolutely is a defense force for this behavior on Era amongst most of its mods and "power users" I guess, but they don't have the balls to show their face in there and tell those people that they're wrong.

On the flip side, none of these people will actually engage in any action themselves. They'll just complain. Even if they did do something, it's hard to enact collective action when everyone who's not hyper-focused on your specific niche issue is someone you hiss at.

[kaleidoscopium]

Tell me more about how the Democrats are so much better for us, Era.

I swear if a defense for comes in here...

Give it a couple minutes. They'll be here.

Newsom can eat shit for this and there are definitely democrats who agree with him, but you know what doesn't help us? People who take something shitty that one Democrat did that jump to attacking every Democrat and then make snarky posts like this to dare anyone to disagree.

Like, this is nakedly Newsom trying to position himself for a run for President. This is nakedly *him* looking out for *his* interests, vs the party acting against us.

How did this bill get to Newsoms desk? Who wrote it? Who voted for it? What party are they members of?

How does taking any bad thing a Democrat does and using it to argue the party are no better than the GOP help us?

Tell me.

Are we pretending that the Democratic Party doesn't make a habit of doing just this? But you're right in this regard: despite their many failures, the Democrats are better than the Republicans BY FAR. Ffs, vote for harm reduction!

Sacrificing minority groups for the sake of electability and appeal to people with more conservative (and that's being incredibly kind) values has been a CONSISTENT pattern of behavior of Dems. This isn't a "one-off".

Perhaps instead of trying to browbeat the marginalized for daring to criticize their elected officials, this energy would be better spent redirected towards said officials to not kowtow to a bigoted populace who espouses oppressive rhetoric

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gavin-newsom-2028-throws-the-california-trans-community-under-his-future-campaign-bus-by-vetoing-trans-child-protection-custody-bill.767459/#post-112468202

This election cycle is going to be juicy

Thing is, like I said, there absolutely is a defense force for this behavior on Era amongst most of its mods and "power users" I guess, but they don't have the balls to show their face in there and tell those people that they're wrong.

On the flip side, none of these people will actually engage in any action themselves. They'll just complain. Even if they did do something, it's hard to enact collective action when everyone who's not hyper-focused on your specific niche issue is someone you hiss at.

Plagiarize is a mod and he's pushing back, but wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on a hit list to get demoted now. We have seen other mods that are part of the trans mafia encouraging armed insurrection though...

[Nintex]

snip, moved to a new thread

[kaleidoscopium]

Meanwhile, you have Dem govenors in the Midwest making their states sanctuaries for trans healthcare.

Like the same law the Gavin Newsom signed into law in January, SB 107. California Becomes First Sanctuary State for Transgender Youth Seeking Medical
But that don't fit the narrative they are trying to present in this thread.

Oh yes, the transes and our "narrative".

No admitting they were wrong, just straight to victim whining. Incredible

don't remember voting you our sole representative.

Melody is on this mods shit list now, who will end up winning 😂😂😂😂😂

[Potato]

Poop

Shit

Fuck

Dingleberry

Arse

Anus

Cunt

Fuckhole

Cuntflap

Ballbag

Wank

Fuckface

Nutsack

Peepee

Cock

Vagina



Take the polisperging to the dedicated thread and get back to discussing bad car loans, autistic screeching and girlcock.

[benji]

STAFF COMMUNICATION

I'm certainly not going to enforce it but I think an informal rule for use of the new  thread is if you're responding to something on ResetERA.com it's fine here, but if you wish to more extensively debate with another The Bire member, quote it and paste it over to that one. I know this won't ensure they see it to respond but lol get over yourself.

In other words:
1. someone posts something from ResetERA.com
2. benji replies to the ResetERA.com post by correctly saying "lol the state is illegitimate"
3. you want to spread the false myth of the legitimacy of the state, rather than reply to benji in here, you quote him and put it in that thread to try and mislead others into darkness

Does this make sense? It's not a prohibition on care posts, it's simply making a SAFE SPACE for a certain category of them that allows them to be discussed beyond the norms of this thread. As I said, I'm not going to enforce it and it only applies to stuff that fits in that thread, so like if someone says something about a movie and you want to tell them to eat shit for spreading lies about the movie I'm not saying you need to take that over to the other thread. This does not mean that stray comments about philosophical/political/etc. things is verboten merely that if you wish to continue to engage them between The Bire members it's better placed in there.

I will try and adhere to this as well, you may, of course, scold me. (But not in a way that puts me at risk or misrepresents moderation or dismisses concerns or...)

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"omg shut the fuck up nerd"

[kaleidoscopium]

Did I at any point suggest I was solely representing us?
I'm sorry, I'm just tired. Exhausted of all these white cishets acting like our allies until it's inconvenient.

It happens so much. I wasn't even surprised by this topic because they always abandon us eventually. They'll do a good couple of things for us give us hope then dash it.

I'm tired of defending this behavior.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gavin-newsom-2028-throws-the-california-trans-community-under-his-future-campaign-bus-by-vetoing-trans-child-protection-custody-bill.767459/page-2#post-112469084

Again, back to self victimization and blaming it on sleep when it's clear they can't get this person banned yet.

[benji]

don't remember voting you our sole representative.

Yeah, that's Kyuuji.

Did I at any point suggest I was solely representing us?
I'm sorry, I'm just tired. Exhausted of all these white cishets acting like our allies until it's inconvenient.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gavin-newsom-2028-throws-the-california-trans-community-under-his-future-campaign-bus-by-vetoing-trans-child-protection-custody-bill.767459/page-2#post-112469084

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8

[Nintex]

I'm tired

That's why you can't win against our HIGH ENERGY 

[Eric Cartman]

don't remember voting you our sole representative.

Melody is on this mods shit list now, who will end up winning 😂😂😂😂😂

THIS SITE USED TO BE COOL, BUT NOW I AM PERSONALLY ATTACKED BY ANOTHER TRANSPHOBIC MOD AND HAVE A KNIFE TO MY THROAT RIGHT NOW UNLESS I GET AT LEAST $800 IN MY KOFI OR YOU SUFFER THROUGH MY EXTRAORDANAIRILY BANAL TWITCH STREAM AND RECITAL OF VOGON POETRY

[Eric Cartman]

STAFF COMMUNICATION

I'm certainly not going to enforce it but I think an informal rule for use of the new  thread is if you're responding to something on ResetERA.com it's fine here, but if you wish to more extensively debate with another The Bire member, quote it and paste it over to that one. I know this won't ensure they see it to respond but lol get over yourself.

In other words:
1. someone posts something from ResetERA.com
2. benji replies to the ResetERA.com post by correctly saying "lol the state is illegitimate"
3. you want to spread the false myth of the legitimacy of the state, rather than reply to benji in here, you quote him and put it in that thread to try and mislead others into darkness

Does this make sense? It's not a prohibition on care posts, it's simply making a SAFE SPACE for a certain category of them that allows them to be discussed beyond the norms of this thread. As I said, I'm not going to enforce it and it only applies to stuff that fits in that thread, so like if someone says something about a movie and you want to tell them to eat shit for spreading lies about the movie I'm not saying you need to take that over to the other thread. This does not mean that stray comments about philosophical/political/etc. things is verboten merely that if you wish to continue to engage them between The Bire members it's better placed in there.

I will try and adhere to this as well, you may, of course, scold me. (But not in a way that puts me at risk or misrepresents moderation or dismisses concerns or...)

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

"omg shut the fuck up nerd"

I AM WRITING CHAIRMAN MEOW IN MY SUICIDE NOTE RIGHT NOW

[Megamandrn001]

Melody is on this mods shit list now, who will end up winning 😂😂😂😂😂

Before I came here and I saw Melody's "I'm going to kill myself" thread, I sat there and went "welp, this thread'll get locked pretty quick, hope they don't actually do it". And then it kept being open. And open. And open. And then people donated money. And more money. I'd never seen that happen before.

[kaleidoscopium]

Melody is on this mods shit list now, who will end up winning 😂😂😂😂😂

Before I came here and I saw Melody's "I'm going to kill myself" thread, I sat there and went "welp, this thread'll get locked pretty quick, hope they don't actually do it". And then it kept being open. And open. And open. And then people donated money. And more money. I'd never seen that happen before.

It's a site dominated by mentally ill people now, expect more from them in the future 🫠

[benji]

I AM WRITING CHAIRMAN MEOW IN MY SUICIDE NOTE RIGHT NOW

What can I say, I'm a splitter.

[benji]

Tell me more about how the Democrats are so much better for us, Era.

I swear if a defense for comes in here...

Give it a couple minutes. They'll be here.

Are we pretending that the Democratic Party doesn't make a habit of doing just this? But you're right in this regard: despite their many failures, the Democrats are better than the Republicans BY FAR. Ffs, vote for harm reduction!

Bad thing a dem does / is accused of = both sides.

I literally said in my follow up post that both sides are not the same. But sure, don't listen to me. Not listening to us is what got us to this point. Thanks for the demonstration.

Singling out Democrats that aren't good enough, or when one does shit that isn't good enough is, imho, going to get us a lot further than jumping at an excuse to post 'both sides are the same, do you dare to disagree?'

Like, if you said that about Labour Party I wouldn't flinch because they're pretty much indistinguishable when it comes to trans issues from the conservatives, but why take Newsom doing something heinous to attack the whole party? Hoe does that encourage all the Democrats that fought for this bill to keep doing so? How does that encourage them to override this veto, which I believe they can?

I get needing to vent. Just not sure why you choose to vent at other posters who you disagree with because Newsom did something demonstrably wrong.

Honestly, can I just bow out of this? You're right, I'm wrong. I don't have the energy to deal with the dogpile this morning. Please.

"the dogpile" of two dissenting replies

[benji]

We really should abolish primaries and the electoral college. Appealing to the white moderates will continue to get people killed

Doing this would increase the power of white moderates politically. 

[Megamandrn001]

Like the same law the Gavin Newsom signed into law in January, SB 107. But that don't fit the narrative they are trying to present in this thread.

Damn, I stand corrected. I'll take the L, we actually got some neolibs coming in and telling the trans people they're ungrateful!

[Venice]

Melody Shreds:

From 'I'm trans, I'm about to commit suicide, give me free money ;_;'

To 'I'm trans, I'm poor, give me a free guitar ;_;'

https://www.resetera.com/threads/soooo-anyone-else-play-guitar-as-a-hobby.765107/

1: 



(Let me begin with the most important information and remind you all I am a TRANS WOMAN!!)

"Anyone have any advice for an up and coming trans woman heavy metal guitarist?"

2:



(Let me remind you again... mentally ill, disabled TRANS WOMAN™)

"maybe I'll be the first mentally ill disabled trans woman to shred guitar at a metal show lol"

3:



"Feeling scared and anxious right now ;;"

4:



(Hey guys! It's Tuesday! Don't forget I tried to commit suicide the other day!   )

"I'm glad this there is a taking off especially with what happened to me before I made it!"

5:



(NOW comes the begging!)

"I consistently don't have money for instrument's because I haven't had a job in over 6 months."

6:



(Let me quickly remind you I don't have a job because I am emotionally fragile!)

"unfortunately my mental state has been so poor and deteriorating"

7:



"Unfortunately I've never had the money to get other one and honestly I probably never will have the income for it."

8:



"0$ No income unfortunately :c"

9:



(A rare piece of honesty from Melody, but laced with the usual emotional manipulation)

"Haven't had income at all for over 6 months. As it is I'm a deadbeat at my parents house with no way to buy anything at all."

10:



(But let me remind you guys one more time... I'm very emotional fragile, sensitive, with a detoriating mental stuff... so please listen to my not-so-subtle plea to give me a free guitar!)

"I'm my current situation, it's unlikely I'll be fit to work anytime soon if ever again..."



I gotta be honest. I love the duality of Melody. In all other threads, she's the stereotypical, aggressive, nasty-assed, militant trans-activist... but in her own ones... 'I'm vulnerable, please feel sorry for me, I am poor, I really need money uwu'

Melody, you may be a transwoman, but it takes BIG BALLS to be this much of a shameless, begging grifter. I admire ya!

[Besticus Maximus]

Melody Shreds becoming the main character in Resetera has been a whirlwind alright.

Thankfully, despite the overbearing mental illness and depression and general economic inactivity, and no plausible skills or certifications whatsoever, they know exactly what everyone else should be doing and thinking at any given second of the day.

I'm particularly interested in how despite having no positions other than give me free stuff cos I say i'm a woman on the internet, they are upset with the concept of liberalism.

[benji]

Melody Shreds:


"maybe I'll be the first mentally ill disabled trans woman to shred guitar at a metal show lol"

Probably too late, I think there's a number of bands with trans women in them. Though off the top of my head I seem to recall more trans singers. So fingers crossed! I'm rooting for you!