Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[HaughtyFrank]

"It's incredibly important that sports accepts trans people but also sports doesn't matter at all"

[TylenolJones]

Welp guess Resetera is losing another member from the gaming industry. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/alyssa-mercante-the-guardian-‘we-were-effectively-props’-young-stars-of-game-development-feel-let-down-by-the-‘gaming-oscars.1349674/#post-147544534

[HaughtyFrank]

Welp guess Resetera is losing another member from the gaming industry. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/alyssa-mercante-the-guardian-‘we-were-effectively-props’-young-stars-of-game-development-feel-let-down-by-the-‘gaming-oscars.1349674/#post-147544534

I know I am very much preaching to the choir at this point, especially as it's something I've long been saying, but Keighley should not be allowed to be the defacto spokesperson of this industry — once and for fucking all.

He needs to be chased out. Sooner than later.

But... he isn't? You're the ones making him bigger than he is

[malfoyking]

"It's incredibly important that sports accepts trans people but also sports doesn't matter at all"

So stunning and brave.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

that would mean anyone who ever disagrees with any topic is a "troll account".

Now you get it! 

[Boredfrom]

If I remember correctly, most of the press and indies begged him to “do something” after unprecedented (  ) lay offs that plagued the industry.

Is not an excuse, but it is clear he feels like he was forced to do it rather than genuinely wanting it.

[Daffy Duck]

Welp guess Resetera is losing another member from the gaming industry. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/alyssa-mercante-the-guardian-‘we-were-effectively-props’-young-stars-of-game-development-feel-let-down-by-the-‘gaming-oscars.1349674/#post-147544534

Messy in this thread too, he’s been everywhere today, guess he’s ran out of clients.

From the arc raiders thread

That's you. You're so offended that you want "outlier" reviews to be removed! That's some gamergate ass logic.

[Orange Juice Box]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-the-use-of-generative-ai-in-arc-raiders-acceptable.1348075/page-6#post-147455164

  User Banned (Permanent): Hostility towards other users, multiple infractions in very limited amount of posts

I'll just say that I have a complex take on the usage of generative AI, especially as someone who has to interact with it constantly for my day job. Just because I accept its existence and can have a nuanced takes on its application, does not mean I have to defend the technology itself.

Oh my god, jerk yourself off a little more would you.
Any generative AI is built on stealing and that's not acceptable.

We should all assume the triumvirate that discussed this offense was not simply Nepenthe being called out.  Obviously, it wasn't Nep calling him for Perma Ban.

Odd that people rarely oppose her ideas these days?  Almost like those who don't agree with her econ concepts get banned out of the blue.  I guess that is just the population dictating that and not a oligaritan who runs the website dictating "good thought"

How does nepnethe still consider herself part of the "population?" when she is running the show?

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Shooting Vietnamese babies is a choice

I'll shoot a baby of any race.

Do better, folks.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Re: Sydney Sweeney.

It's not that serious, fellas.



Now, BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP THE DIRTY ANUS OF THE GOD EMPRESS SYDNEY SWEENEY YOU PATHETIC CUCKS

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bernie-sanders-defends-graham-platner-calls-him-an-%E2%80%9Cexcellent-candidate-and-the-next-senator-of-maine%E2%80%9D.1330780/page-20#post-146886832

NepNep

I have found and worked with plenty of people who understand the fundamental problems of exploitation, oppression, and environmental destruction inherent to capitalism and want to work together to get rid of it. We may have different ideas on how to get there at which point we can have adult discussions over those ideas, the opposite of the bad faith drivel you wrote in this post, but we at least see it as a goal to mutually work towards.

You still see capitalism as something that's salvageable. If what you say is true and 99% of people agree with you on that front, stop bitching about the 1% of people who disagree with you and go work with the 99% to pretty please beg the billionaires capitalists to give you a $17 minimum wage or whatever it is you want.

Lynnetto

I'm not bitching about anything, I asked you about your approach in good faith and you attacked me. I apologize if it makes you uncomfortable to question your extremely militant and exclusionary stance.

NepNep

No you didn't.

Lynnetto

I understand why you would want to frame any kind of questioning of your ideology as bad faith since it's difficult to internalize and reflect on criticism, but it wasn't. I am genuinely curious what you think you can accomplish when you intentionally reject such an extremely broad scope of allies.

NepNep

You can continue acting like this-

- is good faith, and I can simply be specific and direct and call you an asshole.

Do you want to apologize for being bad faith and actually have an adult discussion, or continue wasting my time? Makes me no difference.

Benny W is kissing NepNep's ass

I didn't read Nepenthe's comment as militant (please be careful) or exclusionary. It's direct speak. "Real talk". Straight to the point.

I believe they're saying don't waste their time by pretending you're in alignment when you're just going to pull back later on down the line. It's an absolutely frustrating process to go through.

Also they said collaborators may have "different ideas on how to get there." That's open, inclusive, and not militant.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/target-employees-will-now-be-required-to-smile-and-look-customers-in-the-eye-if-they-are-within-10-feet-of-them.1347817/page-8#post-147481330

 User Banned (Permanent): Troll Account

Most people won't just blindly follow whatever their boss asks them to do regardless of anything else. It's perfectly normal and acceptable for employees who aren't being paid a living wage to skirt some of their responsibilities. In this specific example, putting on a friendly face to those who are often openly hostile towards you when you're working full time but still living paycheck to paycheck is not a reasonable expectation for everyone

That is most certainly any workers prerogative, to determine what they are comfortable with, but if the basic premise of the job is "be friendly and helpful to customers" I don't really know what wiggle room is expected in skirting those responsibilities.

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Oh that's where I remember Lynnetto from

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bernie-sanders-defends-graham-platner-calls-him-an-%E2%80%9Cexcellent-candidate-and-the-next-senator-of-maine%E2%80%9D.1330780/page-20#post-146886832

Why even bother to engage with something like this when you eliminate 99% of people in the conversation because they don't want to destroy capitalism entirely? Is it just an absolution of guilt so that you can reject allyship in the name of pure ideology because you know it means absolutely nothing will happen and you don't have to do any actual work while riding a high horse of moral superiority?

You can kill the man but not the idea

I guess you can ban the idea over and over again

[benji]

Only a troll account would legitimately question someone's stated worldview rather than passively aggressively posting around it until fellow Discord members can organize something.

[TylenolJones]

Reddit mod jailed for sharing movie sex scenes in rare “moral rights” verdict

Lots of people going to get banned for victim blaming when the mods wake up. 

so...people who filmed nude/sex scenes for movies are upset that said sex scenes are being clipped and shared? is that the gist?

Holy shit that's crazy. Not deepfakes, but just sharing scenes they knowingly filmed. Seems wrong.

Don't do nude scenes if you don't want dudes jacking off to you. The fuck?

this is kind of fucked up. they filmed these scenes with consent and with the understanding they would be available to to public, this isn't some revenge porn situation. jail is insane for that kind of thing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/reddit-mod-jailed-for-sharing-movie-sex-scenes-in-rare-“moral-rights”-verdict.1350373/

[Boredfrom]

I've been seeing clips of this interview with Ingraham and its just one embarrassment after another.

I know he's got a cult behind him but I cant see how people can watch this and come away with a favorable opinion of him

One would think that, but if anything my extended family becomes even more favorable the more he blathers. Even if it contradicts what he's said before.

Didn’t the GOP lost big an election a week ago? 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-says-h-1b-visa-holders-are-essential-because-there-aren’t-enough-talented-americans.1350730/

Of course, even if people turn against him you guys will wish them to die from black lung anyway.

[Uncle]

Reddit mod jailed for sharing movie sex scenes in rare “moral rights” verdict

Lots of people going to get banned for victim blaming when the mods wake up. 

so...people who filmed nude/sex scenes for movies are upset that said sex scenes are being clipped and shared? is that the gist?

Holy shit that's crazy. Not deepfakes, but just sharing scenes they knowingly filmed. Seems wrong.

Don't do nude scenes if you don't want dudes jacking off to you. The fuck?

this is kind of fucked up. they filmed these scenes with consent and with the understanding they would be available to to public, this isn't some revenge porn situation. jail is insane for that kind of thing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/reddit-mod-jailed-for-sharing-movie-sex-scenes-in-rare-“moral-rights”-verdict.1350373/

"I consented to be nude in the context of a film people pay to see in a theater, not to be on a disc with 1:06:58 scrawled on it in sharpie in the collection of a fat sweaty guy with hundreds of other such DVDs"

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/reddit-mod-jailed-for-sharing-movie-sex-scenes-in-rare-%E2%80%9Cmoral-rights%E2%80%9D-verdict.1350373/#post-147552835

Meanwhile Alexandra Daddario (mildly NSFW)

https://www.reddit.com/r/alexandradaddario/comments/hk6zi0/i_see_what_youre_googling/

[benji]

That'd be a copyright violation. Which this is, but apparently weird Nordic copyright:

To groups, it seemed clear that KlammereFyr was violating a rarely tested part of copyright law that protects artists’ “integrity” by shielding their “moral rights.”

In Denmark, the “right of integrity means that even in cases where you are allowed to make use of a work, you are not allowed to change it or use it in a way or in a context that infringes the author’s literary or artistic reputation or uniqueness,”

He also confessed to this to drop the bigger charge:

Ultimately, a now 40-year-old man was charged after confessing to violating moral rights by sharing at least 347 clips featuring over 100 actresses that a Danish outlet reported were viewed 4.2 million times. He was also charged with sharing over 25 terabytes of pirated content, using a private torrent tracker called Superbits.org, TorrentFreak noted.

Anyway, back to Era:

Don't they have entire web sites dedicated to this type of thing? Why Reddit?

Yeah this is wild to me when there's dozens of websites out there where you can see nude scenes from a million movies for free, they go after this one guy on a random subreddit

Because those aren't identifiable people in Denmark?

Also people in that thread are talking about appeals and so on missing that he confessed and took a plea so there was no trial.

edit: The TorrentFreak article indicates he was also convicted for the 25TB:

The criminal conviction wasn’t just for the nude clips shared on Reddit. The man was also found guilty of sharing over 25 terabytes of pirated content via the private torrent tracker Superbits.org.

So the potential 7 months of prison is probably because of that?

This is what happens when's there no Black and Brown bodies for police to abuse:

a dedicated subreddit called ‘SeDetForPlottet’ (WatchItForthePlot) that shared sexually explicit scenes of actresses taken from movies and TV series. This community was highlighted by the local radio program “Kulturen,” where over a dozen actresses complained about it.
...
The controversy motivated anti-piracy group Rights Alliance to report the issue to the police on behalf of the Danish Actors’ Association, broadcasters DR and TV2, and other rightsholders. The group noted that copyright protection extends beyond financial considerations to encompass moral rights – including the right to respect and integrity.

Danish police launched a criminal investigation and apprehended a now 40-year-old man from Valby.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://thebire.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=378&pid=156493&highlight=link#pid156493

https://thebire.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=378&pid=156152&highlight=link#pid156152

https://thebire.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=378&pid=159137&highlight=link#pid159137

https://thebire.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=378&pid=158951&highlight=link#pid158951

https://thebire.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=378&pid=158783#pid158783

https://thebire.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=378&pid=159137&highlight=link#pid159137

https://thebire.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=378&pid=159443&highlight=link#pid159443

https://www.resetera.com/threads/next-up-on-the-public-domain-hit-list-betty-boop.1350097/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/windows-central-playstation-forced-ms-to-give-up-xbox-exclusives-now-it-wants-to-destroy-xbox-at-cloud-gaming-play-anywhere-cross-buy-as-well.1345264/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-don%E2%80%99t-think-it-works%E2%80%99-dan-houser-says-rockstar%E2%80%99s-agent-never-happened-because-spy-games-don%E2%80%99t-suit-open-world.1342168/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pokemon-tcg-pocket-earned-almost-1-3b-in-1st-year-outperforming-pokemon-gos-1st-year.1340269/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-plus-monthly-games-for-november-stray-ea-sports-wrc-24-totally-accurate-battle-simulator.1338259/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/josh-hartnett-to-star-in-tommy-wirkola%E2%80%99s-action-thriller-%E2%80%98all-day-all-night%E2%80%99.1336798/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pok%C3%A9mon-tcg-pocket-celebrates-its-first-anniversary-and-over-150-million-downloads-since-launch-new-trailer-for-mega-rising-expansion.1333846/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fallout-new-vegas-15th-anniversary-bundle-announced-154-99-2026.1333609/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/krafton-pubg-hifi-rush-subnautica-has-announced-the-transition-to-an-%E2%80%98ai-first%E2%80%99-company.1332736/

BananaBlast and Bishop89 post links the same way.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/multiple-outlets-axios-cnn-abc-reporting-deal-in-place-to-open-govt-test-vote-could-happen-as-soon-as-this-evening-no-aca-subsidies-incl.1348270/page-39#post-147477880

 User Banned (1 Week): Perpetuating Misogynistic Slur; Don't Do It Again

You know what will get more young men to vote for you? Being the biggest pussies of all time.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-gives-arc-raiders-2-5-dinged-for-use-of-ai-generated-voices.1349200/page-15#post-147513391

 User banned (permanent): Inflammatory commentary. Account in junior phase.

This is the exact kind of thing that will lead toward less work for voice actors as it becomes mote normalised and it used for more and more fornother things. Context matters, indeed.

It will raise the bar for voice acting. You can look forward to better acting that outperforms the act of simply speaking like AI can do.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-gives-arc-raiders-2-5-dinged-for-use-of-ai-generated-voices.1349200/page-26#post-147525793

 User banned (permanent): troll account

Even if I don't use the internet, Gamergate still would've happened. Even if I became a complete luddite, JK Rowling would still be using her considerable power to weaponize transphobia across international social media. None of that has anything to do with me. But it DOES have to do with the internet perhaps allowing people TOO MUCH connection and allowing misinformation to spread completely unrestrained across the entire planet, because tech companies care more about their fucking balance sheets than about building a safe world.

World war 1 & 2 happened without internet. So did slavery so did colonisation… and the holocaust the world has done so many immensely crazy things without the existence of the internet. Which I would argue have been even worse than the internet of people speaking misinformation.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-gives-arc-raiders-2-5-dinged-for-use-of-ai-generated-voices.1349200/page-19#post-147517093

 User banned (permanent): Inflammatory alt-right rhetoric over multiple posts

I don't like politics in my game reviews.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-gives-arc-raiders-2-5-dinged-for-use-of-ai-generated-voices.1349200/page-30#post-147542467

 User banned (permanent): Troll account

They can deduct the score for generative AI use, but if we're being real here, if EA/Blizzard/every other *Stephanie Sterling voice* "TRIPLE-AYYY" game publisher doesn't get their points deducted for crunch, workplace harassment, and other dubious practices, then it's a very silly gesture.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-gives-arc-raiders-2-5-dinged-for-use-of-ai-generated-voices.1349200/page-30#post-147543652

 User banned (1 week): Trolling and whataboutisms over multiple posts. Account in junior phase.

How is no voice acting the same as AI voice acting?
The comparison doens't make sense

Lighten up

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-gives-arc-raiders-2-5-dinged-for-use-of-ai-generated-voices.1349200/page-31#post-147544465

 User banned (1 week): Trolling over multiple posts

Emotional outbursts the thread.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-square-enix-announced-layoffs-across-%E2%80%9Cnearly-all-areas%E2%80%9D-of-its-western-business-in-an-all-hands-meeting-earlier-today.1346071/page-2#post-147344332

 User banned (1 week): Insensitive commentary

Their English marketing has been kinda cringe anyway. Don't think anyone will miss these community managers.

[Greatness Gone]

they are going to start running out of people to ban at this point if "I don't like politics in my game reviews." is what they deem ~inflammatory~ enough to get a perma. 

They’re probably down to just a few new member sign-ups per month now.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/eurogamer-gives-arc-raiders-2-5-dinged-for-use-of-ai-generated-voices.1349200/page-26#post-147525793

Even if I don't use the internet, Gamergate still would've happened. Even if I became a complete luddite, JK Rowling would still be using her considerable power to weaponize transphobia across international social media. None of that has anything to do with me. But it DOES have to do with the internet perhaps allowing people TOO MUCH connection and allowing misinformation to spread completely unrestrained across the entire planet, because tech companies care more about their fucking balance sheets than about building a safe world.

This got to me look at his posts in that thread, of which there are 42 total (these are not all of them):

Good. Metascores are a cancer on the industry.

Most of the people on this board have very interesting positions on AI.

Specifically in this case, the people they used for training data on the voices got compensated for it, and agreed to it beforehand. None of them seem to be complaining.

This is a whole lot of "hold on friend, you don't need to be offended because I'll do it for you."

The fact a couple scabs were okay with signing AI contracts doesn't mean that all actors are okay with it.

The funniest thing is that I bet if I went "I hope all coders lose their jobs because really we don't need them if AI is good enough", I bet a lot of the same people acting like actors and artists don't matter would try to rip my head off.

It does.

Treating this review like it's some bulwark against the advancement of exploitative AI is insane, though. It doesn't do anything but prompt companies to be even less transparent.

Every bit helps. And if we don't ostracize it NOW when it's still nascent it'll be too late to do anything about it.

It's not nascent. The industry is stage 4.

Every single game except for some indies being made right now is using it.

Not for art. We're not at the point where every developer is trying to destroy art with genAI, and that's where we can try to stop things before they get worse.

It's a great buying guide for me, because I will actively root for the failure of any developer that views actors and artists as disposable fodder for AI. I will NEVER buy a game from a studio that pulls this shit. Even if Square Enix announced FF17 tomorrow with a full slate of AI voice actors I'd be on the front lines hoping it fails so hard that the CEO loses his fucking job.

Exactly. It's like people screaming at the internet before it became the go to tech of today.

I've been playing outer worlds 2 and I think AI would have been so useful for the random npcs in the world so they don't just repeat the same thing every time you speak to them.

This is where I think AI would make a huge difference for immersion.

Who gives a shit about random NPCs? Why is it more important for no-name nobody NPCs to have more (literal filler) shit to say than for artists to have the ability to feed their families and pay rent?

I'm just going to be honest, I find it genuinely horrifying that we're supposed to accept the death of acting and art just so some independent modders can shove their fanfiction into games with "real" voices.

So you are saying that the goal vision on a game should be compromised because you don't want them using what are basic development tools available to them to use? Or...take mth and mths longer to make said game? Which would also risk the jobs of everyone involved, not just voice actors...

I just find this whole argument against what is basically technology...weird.

When MS word came out im sure a ton of touch typists lost their job, my mum basically, but you had to learn to use a PC and adapt. Its freaking how the world works.

Everything has a down side, AI slop is trash and rots my brain everytime I see it... but as technology moves on, processing power increases...what do you actually think is going to happen? Tools get more capable, jobs and roles change and adapt around those.

Not every idea is worth pursuing. And not every vision is valuable. Technology is not an inherent good, and it can absolutely be used for ill.

Because artists have nowhere else to go when their jobs get erased by AI. Low-level coders are just low-level coders. They could get better at coding and get a job elsewhere. But once we have completely automated the fundamentals of human expression out of existence, art is dead. There's nothing left for those people, and they starve and die. Also, by obliterating entry-level creative jobs we make it impossible for NEW talent to get the work they need to get a foothold. We have no economic or social protections ANYWHERE to protect artists and their families from starving to death once the job market evaporates for them.

You basically want to make a world where the only people who are allowed to live are rich people and the code jockey idiots who massage the prompts to keep their AI engines running.

Artists can get better. Coders can get better. Anyone can get better. If you don't stand out you're still fucked. If your work doesn't require you to work with your hands, it's hard to break into any creative industry right now.

Yes, but my point is, the end goal of these tech bro idiots is to erase the need for actors and artists completely. You're not looking forward at the future, you're looking at your now because that's what you're dealing with in your job right this second.

But what's happening right now is just the early-days transition. They want the tech to get better so more and more people become "unnecessary" so they can pay less people. That's what this has always been about. And once they get what they want, that's it. The only people who will still get work are the Troy Bakers and Laura Baileys and the occasional celebrity likeness cameo because they're popular big names, and once they retire, NO one will get work. It'll be completely over. There will be no path for anyone else to break in, because the door will have completely been slammed and welded shut by companies obsessively using AI for everything else.

What kind of argument is that, "they could just get better at coding". Everyone can "just get better" at something to make a living out of it - the "just" part may be a bit optimistic though. Not everyone has the mathematical or logical skill to do more intricate programming tasks and much in the same way synchronisation offers entry-level creative jobs, low-level programming can be an entry-level job for people who have the talent to be good coders, but not the (financial) means to study informatics at a university.

Bingo. People keep acting like "oh it's just offloading entry-level work you guys that's not so bad, right?" but entry-level work is how people get established in industries, whether it's young actors fresh out of college or young programmers who haven't had their first job yet.

And AI proponents want to torpedo the ONLY route into industry for young people. Which effectively means the only people who will get work are the people who already have high-level jobs OR nepo babies who can skip the entry level entirely due to connections and not due to skill. In other words: the rich.

The idea of "poor quality" doesn't have the same connotations for art as it does for QA, for instance. Art is expression and its value is in the eye of the beholder.

In some sense I think protecting art is a viable bulwark in taming the ambitions of corporations that will happily optimise people out of the equation. Once we accept 'AI art' it's over - it's writing, performances, drawings, music. It's books, comics, movies, games.

But it is something we have to accept. We make the choice on being compliant with it. Once you accept that premise of a game that is 2% comprised of AI art then it's 5%, then it's 10%. It isn't for the production of 'better art' (it can't be, it isn't fully what art is), it's for 'efficiency' (profit). Arc Raiders decided voice actors aren't really a part of the art, not fully.

So there is no 'upside' to AI art but profit for the few. It isn't 'but we implemented AI and the game has less bugs'. So that is where you mount a defense and seek protections for people. That is where you regulate the use of AI for everyone so we work with it, not against it, and everyone is fairly compensated.

Exactly. You give tech bros and inch and they'll take an entire continent. They don't care about anything other than their own financial return.

Did you have this same energy for factory workers who lost their jobs to automation? Technology is always going to be making monotonous tasks redundant. Those artists will have to adapt like the rest of the world of workers do. No one is more important than anyone else.

Fighting against a useful tool is absolutely a pointless battle. That is what AI is. A tool. And it will be continue to be used.

Fuck that. Art isn't menial labor. It isn't assembly line work. It's art, it's expression, and it's what gives us culture as a species. Without art, we're just pointless meat.

I will continue to hope for the catastrophic failure of any developer that pushes for the replacement of artists in favor of algorithms.

No don't put words in my mouth. I'm referring to the one liners of npcs in rpgs. They repeat themselves constantly and no one wants to write for random npcs so why not have AI do the work?

Why do they need to say lots of shit? What does a game gain from an NPC randomly saying something racist or rattling off a grocery list? I tune those NPCs out immediately because they're not supposed to be important.

A new entry level will form though, unless the whole discipline is made redundant. AI is not the first tool that allows (some level of) automation and in the past, each technological step forward came with new challenges that humans were needed for. Maybe we are reaching an end point, where not (almost) everyone can be put to use economically, but I doubt the current flavour of AI is going to be the tech that leads to that change. I can understand, that individually, AI can be a frightening tech, but for general society, past technological advancements do not give me the impression that it will have a crass effect on employment.

It already does, I'm afraid. We're seeing all kinds of people even in this thread saying they're being FORCED to use AI for their jobs even in ways that don't make their work better or more efficient simply because their bosses want to be seen "using AI". And people who bristle against that are punished and sometimes even fired.

Why do you think that would be the case? AI with given context with game lore and restraints wouldn't be able to go outside of that. You're thinking of general AI in the wild. Not AI that is given source material and lore to work from.

AI isn't that smart. It can't read lore and make useful judgments or creative ideas out of it. It'll just make shit up that sounds "kinda right". Eventually it'll hallucinate and say something completely out of character because it can't not do that. It's not actually saying anything real, it's just doing bad improv.

Cause it would make RPG worlds a lot more immersive than they are currently when npcs just repeat the same line over and over. Do you play RPGs? How can having npcs be more life like a bad thing?

I don't care about NPCs that don't contribute to the story. If they're background noise, let them be background noise. Giving them a bunch of random shit to say is wasting my time. I don't want to converse with some rando about their grocery list.

I dont know why there is so much AI hste here. I do think it is ultimately pointless. AI is coming games whether some group likes it or not. There is just way too much potential there in multiple ways to be ignored. Both in creating the content and being the actual content.

Remember when an AI replication of a real person's voice in an extremely famous video game for children started publicly saying horribly racist things because people figured out how to trick the algorithm 5 seconds after it launched?

Boy AI is so great, huh?

Agree. And I think people are too caught up on how AI is right now instead of how much it will improve in the future. AI will continue to be iterated upon and it will only just get better and better.

And by "better and better" you mean "better and better at stealing".

I get where you're coming from but if you say it's cheating then it would mean the AI is actually good at what it does then? So it's a useful tool?

It's theft. Just because it's EFFECTIVE at stealing doesn't mean it's good.

But notice you're not saying it's a bad tool though? 🙃 I for one believe in tech I mean there were people against smartphones too and you probably have a smartphone in your pocket or hand right now….

Let me give you another example: if there was, let's say, a tool that is extremely good at breaking open bank vaults, thus stealing money from regular people, that doesn't make it a good tool. It makes it an effective tool for theft, but it's not good.

The PURPOSE of a tool is what dictates its ethical value, not its effectiveness.

Come on this is an optics argument here, you're framing AI as something bad. Rather than a tool which can be used in various ways like a Hammer for example. This tool isn't inherently harmful but can be used for harm? Yes but it's not a tool designed specifically for that.

No, it's a tool designed specifically to automate people out of their jobs by stealing existing data and using it to make things up. That's what the people creating it designed it to do. They're MARKETING it to you differently, but the goal of AI is to erase jobs. That's what tech bros want.

I don't agree on this. Since AI like Siri for example has been around many years with no real issues.

But automation took jobs away from factory workers too? Has the world imploded? Are you currently unemployed? Real humans are already going to be needed. Companies need consumers and consumers need money to buy stuff from companies how do companies make money if consumers have no jobs and no money?

One hand has to feed the other that's how any ecosystem works.

There literally aren't even enough jobs to feed everyone RIGHT NOW and you're asking for even more jobs to be eliminated by letting a theft robot do them instead of people. We're facing a total economic collapse right now and AI is not going to reverse that.

Companies will always care about their bottom line. Less consumers less money they make that's the reality for any company.

Can't access that article it's paywalled.

We are literally seeing businesses pivot toward luxury instead of mass-market product. People are being left behind because businesses would rather tailor their product toward people who have money than make something affordable for everyone.

You think grocery stores are going to be pivoting towards only luxury shoppers? I don't think so. It's just not realistic for every store there is. A lot of them profit from the high number of sales.

And that's how we get shrinkflation. People being asked to pay more for less food. Which prices people out of entire product lines.

Well it must have been happening at such a low rate I never noticed it…. Until Covid happened then it hit me like a bus.

And that's how companies get us. It's also what companies plan to do with AI. Slowly accelerate it over a long stretch of time, carving off more and more "understandable" roles until it's so deeply engrained into their corporate culture that they can't operate without it at all.

This is how capitalism functions. It's a frog-boiling-in-pot world.

So like the Internet? Cause we literally cannot live without it now… and we're communicating because of it.

Tech will always be here and there will always be new tech that does something humans or animals used to do. We dont use carrier pigeons anymore to send messages…

I just don't get why AI is really rubbing people up the wrong way when most of your life today is incorporated with tech.

It's like fish complaining about water.

The internet isn't a good thing. It should be obvious based on the hellscape we live in right now that the ever-encroaching onslaught of tech only makes the world worse, not better.

Yet you're able to converse with communities and people around the world a lot easier now. How can this be a bad thing?

I seriously do not agree with you on this one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

I can get more examples.

You don't have to use the internet. You have to participate in society though that's not a choice.

But the internet is a choice… especially a gaming forum. This isn't forced onto you.

Even if I don't use the internet, Gamergate still would've happened. Even if I became a complete luddite, JK Rowling would still be using her considerable power to weaponize transphobia across international social media. None of that has anything to do with me. But it DOES have to do with the internet perhaps allowing people TOO MUCH connection and allowing misinformation to spread completely unrestrained across the entire planet, because tech companies care more about their fucking balance sheets than about building a safe world.

World war 1 & 2 happened without internet. So did slavery so did colonisation… and the holocaust the world has done so many immensely crazy things without the existence of the internet. Which I would argue have been even worse than the internet of people speaking misinformation.

We literally have Nazis again. Because of the internet.

And you think the nazis on the Internet are as comparable to the ones who did the holocaust? You can't be serious.

Have you paid even, like...five minutes of attention to what's going on in the world right now? There are concentration camps in the continental US right now. The US government is planning to bomb its neighbors over a made-up drug threat. People are being dragged screaming out of their homes and disappeared simply for looking "wrong" to racist members of an unchecked, unregulated police force being flagrantly wielded by a racist with the brain of a toddler. And that's just the shit that's happening right here in America!

I'm so tired. The tech industry is going to kill us all because so many people don't seem to care enough to pay attention to the ways that big tech is ENABLING humanity's worst impulses and then spreading them like viruses. These companies don't care about us. They only care about making their executives and investors as much as money as possible, no matter how many people have to suffer or die to accomplish that.

Wait you're blaming AI for what the US government are doing to people? This was a discussion about AI man. I don't know how AI is responsible for any of that.

I'm blaming tech. The tech industry - which AI is a part of, and the next vanguard in tech's onslaught on the world - is the enemy of humanity. AI is part of that. Social media is part of it. They all work in concert to erode human society, human empathy and basic decency while enriching a very small number of rich people.

Almost hard to believe some of what I'm reading in this thread. This is definitely an all timer.

Of all the things to wake up to this morning, I definitely was not expecting to read "big tech isn't bad, technological progress is an inherent good even when it leads to job erasure and worldwide fascist takeovers". What a fucking trip.

I like that "Project 2025", a giant document published every four years since 1980, is apparently an example of the internet making the world worse. Along with Nazis. 

[Boredfrom]

The bore knows that I’m not the biggest fan of AI or social media… but I don’t blame executives for the screwing the internet discourse as much as how over protective and paranoid internet communities become during the middle 2010’s. 

There was a time when I had fun at Twitter and when I made friends in forums… and then suddenly I needed to walk in eggshells because people that I though they knew me were claiming I was a piece of shit because I said stuff like Brianna Wu was a fake ass. 

But I would admit that, in retrospect, this was bound to happen given how self righteous everyone acted even before Tumblr infected everything.

[benji]

Blaming the technology lets the people off the hook and excuses their choices. The cops on Era fantasize that if they can just police the technology (or science or "the system" or) they're exempt from being those who only want to police the people. It's a fantasy not because it's not realistic (though it isn't) but because that is policing the people. It's taking away their capabilities for their "own good" because they obviously can't be trusted to make the correct choices unlike those who would police them. PlanetSmasher is outright calling for someone, almost certainly the state aka cops, to control what information is available to and accessible by people. I only read his posts and what he quoted in that thread but I wouldn't expect many of the other posts on those 20+ pages to disagree. Especially not any by the staff or other prominent members. It's always their answer to everything.

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Re: Sydney Sweeney.

It's not that serious, fellas.



Now, BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP THE DIRTY ANUS OF THE GOD EMPRESS SYDNEY SWEENEY YOU PATHETIC CUCKS

this bitch is 5'3 and still in her 20's. as a filthy old man that raises her hotness a good enough amount 

[benji]

Things are getting tough:

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/multiple-outlets-axios-cnn-abc-reporting-deal-in-place-to-open-govt-test-vote-could-happen-as-soon-as-this-evening-no-aca-subsidies-incl.1348270/page-39#post-147477880

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You know what will get more young men to vote for you? Being the biggest pussies of all time.

Don't Do It Again

Thanks for confirming your site is infested with manchildren, admins and mods 

[Chudder Barbarity]

can someone please explain the disdain for AI from leftists, i still don't get it? shouldn't they be embracing it as a way of seizing the means of art production away from the bourgeoisie and into the hands of starving transbians who capitalism forbids from going to elitist, zionazi run art schools?

"muh artists/devs/whatever" - who cares, the state should provide you with Basic Human Decency.
"muh stealing" - no such thing as theft if there's no property rights
"muh soul" - why would atheists believe in souls?

Is it literally just the selfish neppy position where they are mad that going through all the hard work to learn how to draw dog dicks or something was a waste of time now that the filthy proles can do it with proper prompting?

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ted kaczynski a leftist?