Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[BIONIC]

imgur stopped working for me some time back and I still haven't figured out why 

filler is British?

[Alpacx]

Hundreds of thousands of deaths now, millions of deaths down the line thanks to DOGE cuts to places like USAID and the CDC. That's their legacy and everyone who worked for DOGE needs to be brought up on charges and imprisoned, up to and including Elon Musk. And that's the bare minimum.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/time-doge-disbanded-elon-musk’s-cost-cutting-project-quietly-ended-ahead-of-schedule.1362277/

What did you think decolonization looks like? Vibes? Papers? Letters?

[Alpacx]

imgur stopped working for me some time back and I still haven't figured out why 

filler is British?

Imgur also blocks ghetto ass VPNs.Annoying when I'm browsing the bire with one on.

[benji]

ok so I'm using a public service, I'm borrowing a canoe from the public canoe shack to go canoeing

but I don't feel like giving it back, that sounds awfully like coercive labor forcing me to give the canoe back which I don't really want to do

who is going to recognize that I've broken the social contract and punish me for this? what if they don't really feel like taking the canoe from my garage and hauling it all the way back to the canoe shack, are you going to coerce the enforcers into doing shit they don't really want to do?

I should compile all this garbage somewhere so I don't have to search for it but she explains in a different post that the community will beat your ass if you don't. See, totally different from now or the last two thousand years of human history.

[Uncle]

don't they have to find out that I did it? I guess that implies the existence of volunteer detectives, who never feel imposed-upon for being asked to track down a stolen canoe instead of more important cases? Do they have the right to interfere with others' right to privacy in this world?

what if I don't even steal the canoe, what if I just accidentally punch a hole in the bottom and say "whoops" and then quietly return it?

so now we need an accurate meticulous canoe borrower registry which everyone adheres to, signing out #37 and signing it back in so if it's damaged we know it was you, paperwork which is again labor I don't really feel like doing

and now we're down to the point where the community is beating people's asses for not properly signing out their canoe, because not doing that enables bad actors to misuse the public good, and there has to be some coercive reason for people to go to the trouble

[Orange Juice Box]

don't they have to find out that I did it? I guess that implies the existence of volunteer detectives, who never feel imposed-upon for being asked to track down a stolen canoe instead of more important cases? Do they have the right to interfere with others' right to privacy in this world?

what if I don't even steal the canoe, what if I just accidentally punch a hole in the bottom and say "whoops" and then quietly return it?

so now we need an accurate meticulous canoe borrower registry which everyone adheres to, signing out #37 and signing it back in so if it's damaged we know it was you, paperwork which is again labor I don't really feel like doing

and now we're down to the point where the community is beating people's asses for not properly signing out their canoe, because not doing that enables bad actors to misuse the public good, and there has to be some coercive reason for people to go to the trouble

Just use restorative justice techniques.  Gathering proof and evidence re-victimizes the oppressed.  A mob will gather and if they all agree they have enough proof they then can all agree how justice should be served, heh-heh-heh.

A lot of the stuff she writes is very similar to libertarians when Obama was running.  They would describe their perfect world without laws or police that never existed in history but this time they will because she's smart enough to lead it.

[Potato]

The fundamental property of socialism is that the workers own their workplaces

Isn't she just describing a coop? Just found one with your furry friends. Just seems like a pain in the ass to organize

OK, so let's say an enterprising young socialist is, for example, a cashier at a pharmacy and one day desires to do something more. Maybe create official erotic fiction and art of her favourite multiplayer shooter (it's her favourite because there's only one of its kind approved by The Party) or to design furry costumes for the comrades of that persuasion and she practices her writing and art and haberdashery skills and maybe even goes to a community college to gain some qualifications. She works really hard and one day she thinks she's ready and asks the local party secretary to transfer her to the furry art/porn factory. What happens next?

Well the secretary says she should be satisfied with (and thankful for) the opportunity to stack shelves at the pharmacy and she owns the means of that production so she should have some pride in her work and shut up. Meanwhile, the secretary's much less talented, white and lazy nephew is given the job Nepenthe wanted because of corruption (goddamn wyts!).

[Polident]

You guys give way more thought to this than they do.

[D3RANG3D]

[Boredfrom]

I'm picturing Nepenthe starts her co-op with two other friends, they hire two more people to help who are friends with each other, then later hire two more

the two friends pull the two newbies aside and tell them about their scheme to take over the co-op, and with four votes of a seven person group they can now do whatever they want

they immediately kick out the three who started it and liquidate the business for cash for themselves

The worst thing is that is not totally unheard of from some big coop.  

They usually have some rules, like seniority, to protect themselves but is not uncommon that the founders also get greedy.

[filler]

[benji]

OK, so let's say an enterprising young socialist is, for example, a cashier at a pharmacy and one day desires to do something more. Maybe create official erotic fiction and art of her favourite multiplayer shooter (it's her favourite because there's only one of its kind approved by The Party) or to design furry costumes for the comrades of that persuasion and she practices her writing and art and haberdashery skills and maybe even goes to a community college to gain some qualifications. She works really hard and one day she thinks she's ready and asks the local party secretary to transfer her to the furry art/porn factory. What happens next?

Well the secretary says she should be satisfied with (and thankful for) the opportunity to stack shelves at the pharmacy and she owns the means of that production so she should have some pride in her work and shut up. Meanwhile, the secretary's much less talented, white and lazy nephew is given the job Nepenthe wanted because of corruption (goddamn wyts!).

Uh, did you miss the part where all decisions will be made by consensus?

[Potato]

Just look at this:

You don't have a menial job to go to at a certain time anymore, working for a boss, although you are expected to reasonably pitch in towards the maintenance of the utilities and resources you want to access within your community. Ex. You take from a public garden then you better make sure you're putting back what you took for the next person who comes along somehow, either through time spent cultivating it or providing resources for its maintenance. Libraries of the commons would also be a more fundamental public service where you can have access to the tools and items you may need without having to necessarily go and buy them; people donate usable but unwanted "things" (cookware, furniture, lawn equipment, clothing, etc.) and you rent this like you would a book at a library, and bring it back when you're done. Art and culture would still be valuable pursuits too, and indeed, freer expressions of self and culture would be encouraged: city and park demonstrations, more volunteer upkeep of buildings, more public paintings and graffiti, street music, etc. People should be encouraged to be creative and have fun with others. Housing would be more mixed; closer quarters where most amenities (bars and restaurants, clubs, pharmacies, grocery stores, etc.) are within walking or biking distance. And so long as a spot or joint is free and fits your living needs, you can claim it as your home so long as you promise to abide by whatever community and/or local ordinances exist there. Political organization would be expressed through a consensus based form of representation. Everyone is encouraged to participate in local meetings to address grievances, and goals and demands are reached through discussion and consensus and delivered to a higher presiding body by a representative who is voted on by the chosen body. This representative would ideally not always be the same person to temper the inclination of power-tripping. Also, we're fucking off of fossil fuels permanently and our public transporation is robust and strong. Solarpunk reality baby.

I didn't write much more than that, but that was my starting idea for a little fantasy world. You wake up, get yourself together, and essentially go about your day however you choose without the threat of coercive labor forcing you to do shit you don't really want to do. You wanna hang at the local bar with your friends, take a trip into the wilderness, etc. then go for it. Be merry. If you wish to use a public service in society, get groceries and supplies, or anything else, it is simply mandated that you maintain and use it responsibly and return it back for the rest of the community to use too. It's not too horrible, is it?

How can anyone write this without realizing it immediately falls apart the instant anyone actually does anything at all?

What you don't understand is that what makes this whole system work is Nepenthe in the middle using her hyper-intelligence to predict, with uncanny accuracy, exactly what is needed and by whom and by when. This all happens flawlessly because Nepenthe is JUST. THAT. SMART. and nobody else would be capable of this task so don't bother asking.

[Potato]

don't they have to find out that I did it? I guess that implies the existence of volunteer detectives, who never feel imposed-upon for being asked to track down a stolen canoe instead of more important cases? Do they have the right to interfere with others' right to privacy in this world?

what if I don't even steal the canoe, what if I just accidentally punch a hole in the bottom and say "whoops" and then quietly return it?

so now we need an accurate meticulous canoe borrower registry which everyone adheres to, signing out #37 and signing it back in so if it's damaged we know it was you, paperwork which is again labor I don't really feel like doing

and now we're down to the point where the community is beating people's asses for not properly signing out their canoe, because not doing that enables bad actors to misuse the public good, and there has to be some coercive reason for people to go to the trouble

Nepenthe and the other "more equal animals" will have already exterminated all the undesirable elements of society by then so we have already reached utopia and crime will not exist.

[Uncle]

You guys give way more thought to this than they do.

thanks

[jooseloose]

oh clicky...

https://www.resetera.com/threads/november-21-2025-ap-japan%E2%80%99s-first-female-leader-faces-a-taboo-over-entering-the-male-only-sumo-ring.1362325/

That's awesome! Rooting for her to win and prove all the men wrong.

Edit- misread, but women should be allowed. It sucks so much that their first woman PM is so conservative.

Clicky too busy rushing in with a "yassss qaween" post to bother actually reading past the title

[Eric Cartman]

[quote=Nepenthe, https://www.resetera.com/threads/%E2%80%9Cfuck-capitalism%E2%80%9D-ok-cool-i-agree-too-but-what-are-the-legitimate-alternatives-that-wouldn%E2%80%99t-ruin-the-world-more-than-it-already-is.655698/page-13#post-96795699]Art and culture would still be valuable pursuits too, and indeed, freer expressions of self and culture would be encouraged: city and park demonstrations, more volunteer upkeep of buildings, more public paintings and graffiti, street music, etc. People should be encouraged to be creative and have fun with others. Housing would be more mixed; closer quarters where most amenities (bars and restaurants, clubs, pharmacies, grocery stores, etc.) are within walking or biking distance. And so long as a spot or joint is free and fits your living needs, you can claim it as your home so long as you promise to abide by whatever community and/or local ordinances exist there.

...

I didn't write much more than that, but that was my starting idea for a little fantasy world. You wake up, get yourself together, and essentially go about your day however you choose without the threat of coercive labor forcing you to do shit you don't really want to do. You wanna hang at the local bar with your friends, take a trip into the wilderness, etc. then go for it. Be merry.

Tell me you had a privileged upbringing out in the suburbs without telling me you had a privileged upbringing in the suburbs, because living above a happneing bar while cool musician types just break out into saxaphone solos looks cool in a fucking southern comfort advert or milennial sitcom or wtfever, people actually living in shitty rental one bedrooms above a bar, kept up all night by drunken assholes fighting and arguing whle they're trying to sleep, and / or the next door neighbours kid is trying to learn a musical instrument and keeps playing the first few bars of three blind mice - and fucking it up - over and over again is not living in a cool hip urban utopia.

don't they have to find out that I did it? I guess that implies the existence of volunteer detectives, who never feel imposed-upon for being asked to track down a stolen canoe instead of more important cases? Do they have the right to interfere with others' right to privacy in this world?

what if I don't even steal the canoe, what if I just accidentally punch a hole in the bottom and say "whoops" and then quietly return it?

so now we need an accurate meticulous canoe borrower registry which everyone adheres to, signing out #37 and signing it back in so if it's damaged we know it was you, paperwork which is again labor I don't really feel like doing

and now we're down to the point where the community is beating people's asses for not properly signing out their canoe, because not doing that enables bad actors to misuse the public good, and there has to be some coercive reason for people to go to the trouble

no no no no, you don't attack people, that would be inhumane, you put them into a camp, well, let's not call it a camp, that sounds bad, lets call it a kind of garden like a kindergarten, and you just stay there until you learn there are four lights ego death to avoid thoughtcrime to not do that again in future.
Even if it takes the entire rest of your life to (not) learn that that is good, actually.

[Eric Cartman]

I'm so glad Hasan is doing this journey through China. It's important for people to see what it's actually like there, not just the horror stories we get told through American media and government. The incredible infrastructure and how they have risen over a billion citizens out of poverty in just a few decades is what we should be looking at. This is a country that, for all the significant and very real complaints you can make about their government, is largely improving the lives of its citizens by leaps and bounds. Meanwhile in the USA it's just capitalist hellscape from end to end. Nobody can afford a home, infrastructure is aging and terrible, no significant improvements like high speed rails that would benefit citizens, and those are just the tip of the iceberg.

Americans need to see what the rest of the world is doing so we can all come together and demand better for ourselves.

At the rate things are going, if we can't make the needed changes to make the USA more livable, we could start to see people fleeing the USA for greener pastures in the coming years. The USA refugee crisis is going to be flipped on its head: we'll be the ones fleeing, not the other way around.

Yup - I saw that video of him stating that, and it's so true. No young person in China is feeling any kind of affordability crisis because that simply doesn't exist. Meanwhile here in the states, capitalism is completely unfettered with basically no oversight and is reaching a point where the status quo is not sustainable.

It's actually insane how the government of the US seems actively hostile towards to its citizens these days. The SNAP debacle of this shutdown should have made that abundantly clear. Under Trump and the GOP, it's outright explicit, and the Dems are outwardly less in your face, but at the end of the day most serve their corporate sponsors nonetheless.

This Is Your Brain On Hasanbara

[Straight Edge]

I want to hang out at a bar and be merry all day. Could everyone else provide food and shelter for me pweease.

[BIONIC]

I want to hang out and a bar and be merry all day. Could everyone else provide food and shelter for me pweease.

Sorry, I only provide funds for life-threatening CPU replacements.

[clockwork5]

The thing that always breaks her arguments is that in order for all of this to function you gotta put a whole lot of trust in a whole lot of white people. 

Imagine thinking white people are just gonna do the right thing.

[RetiredSkunk]

don't they have to find out that I did it? I guess that implies the existence of volunteer detectives, who never feel imposed-upon for being asked to track down a stolen canoe instead of more important cases? Do they have the right to interfere with others' right to privacy in this world?

what if I don't even steal the canoe, what if I just accidentally punch a hole in the bottom and say "whoops" and then quietly return it?

so now we need an accurate meticulous canoe borrower registry which everyone adheres to, signing out #37 and signing it back in so if it's damaged we know it was you, paperwork which is again labor I don't really feel like doing

and now we're down to the point where the community is beating people's asses for not properly signing out their canoe, because not doing that enables bad actors to misuse the public good, and there has to be some coercive reason for people to go to the trouble

Nepenthe and the other "more equal animals" will have already exterminated all the undesirable elements of society by then so we have already reached utopia and crime will not exist.

Yeah that all sound great. 

Hey,  did she take a bunch of money for a fursuit commission and never delivered a product?  At least once.

[Boredfrom]

"We can't make Bloodlines 2, we can't make Skyrim, but we can make Dishonored."

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dan-pinchbeck-ex-the-chinese-room-was-aware-they-couldnt-make-the-vtmb2-that-fans-wanted-in-time-and-wanted-paradox-to-call-it-something-else.1362589/

Is telling that he thought that Dishonored games are on the “cheap” scale.  

(Compared with Skyrim, of course, but there are still immersive sims)

[Besticus Maximus]

Tbf the original dishonoured was a textbook example of getting a hit out of a sensible budget, game ruled and the others are pure bot imo

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/which-halloween-trilogy-do-you-prefer-between-thorn-and-the-legacy-ones.1358470/#post-147893725

From a cinematography perspective alone, DGGs films trounce those others. Never mind all the other aspects that comprise a film that they make those others look like complete amateur hour. (Narratives, characters, actors, themes, lighting, pacing, soundtrack, sets, etc. etc. etc.). All that before you even get to the stalking, kills, and physical presence of Michael in the new films, which are all top tier for the franchise. The look, feel, tone, and themes are all high level. They are actual large modern horror films with social commentary, which is another increasing rarity.

The hate these films get is and has been so ridiculous to me. The quality of them leaps off the screen. But I guess it's par for the course today. People's collective ability to discern has been very clearly and obviously waning.

I can't imagine finding Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers (LOL) superior to Halloween Kills. I just can't imagine having this preference.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/which-halloween-trilogy-do-you-prefer-between-thorn-and-the-legacy-ones.1358470/page-2#post-147896767

It’s kind of weird to me that more people haven’t picked up on and discussed the fascist social commentary of DGGs Halloween trilogy. To see people talk low of them.

Besides myself and talking about these films being a fascist allegory in the threads on here over the years, I’ve only seen one other person ANYWHERE (on the internet or IRL) bring up these films being social commentary on the current moment. It was the reviewer Walter Chaw. His comments on these three films are some of the only ones that have even come close to my own from what I’ve seen/heard, and it’s been pretty disappointing…

Michael Myers = fascist personification
Haddonfield = the United States
Laurie Strode = abuse victim survivors who have special insight to abuse/fascism and who desperately try to sound the alarms
Corey Cunningham = fascist legacy (think NeoNazis, how fascists have a tendency to re-emerge overtime in practically the same forms/image. “The South will rise again!” Etc.)

There’s a lot more connections to tease from those films, but I’ll just link Walter Chaw’s three reviews for anyone who better appreciates these three films and would be interested in seeing some more involved commentary on them.

Film Freak Central - Halloween (2018) Review by Walter Chaw

“Or maybe he's saying it's a stupid thing to wish for because when the past is released into the present, the effects are inexorable and terrible.”

“Later, when Allyson is assaulted in a drunken way by some guy at a party, it's interesting to see how she has or hasn't assimilated this message about the acceptance of abuse in our culture. Laurie can't get over it. Halloween is about that.”

Decider - ‘Halloween Kills’ Is The Slasher Equivalent Of ‘Indiana Jones And The Temple of Doom’

“For all intents and purposes, Halloween Kills is one of the most incisive films about the United States ever made. Everyone in it is traumatized and insane, bloodthirsty and bellicose, driven by vengeance for wrongs both real and imagined. They are bolstered by their own sense of being some kind of heroic avenger, when the reality is that a life of relative ease has made them soft and ineffectual.“

“Halloween Kills is sociopathic. It's an odd film to defend, but Halloween Kills is not wrong about who we are. If the last five or six years hasn't taught us that there's no clean way to get out of this — that 40% of our neighbors at any time are either actively okay with your death or passively okay with it — nothing will.”

“What Halloween Kills is, though, is a merciless probing of our tolerance for atrocities: for how long and how many of these people we'll watch get butchered, dressed like hogs, before we have a physical response to it. Will we kick when it's the interracial couple? The Black couple? The gay guys? How about the kids who all seem to be out of central casting for The Wild Bunch — all sniggering bullies and their feckless victims? How many people have to die, drowning in their own fluids as the people who love them watch, before we change our behaviors?”

Film Freak Central - Halloween Ends Review by Walter Chaw

“He is a mask of civility placed over the atrocity of our darkest impulses. It's why he's only really vulnerable to attack when the mask is removed. David Gordon Green's trio of Halloween films are as explicit about "The Shape" as a trope as the original was, which of course makes a lot of the fandom angry because fundamentalist religions resent the notion their deathless martyrs are elements of stories of redemption or the psychological contagion in cautionary tales.”


All three of DGGs Halloween films are all-timer, stone cold, certified classics.

[Boredfrom]

we're reached the step of openly creating the culture the dictator wants to exist

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

 https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-is-reportedly-pushing-larry-ellison-and-paramount-to-revive-the-rush-hour-franchise.1362565/

[Jonsey]

1763996193[/url]']
https://www.resetera.com/threads/which-halloween-trilogy-do-you-prefer-between-thorn-and-the-legacy-ones.1358470/#post-147893725

From a cinematography perspective alone, DGGs films trounce those others. Never mind all the other aspects that comprise a film that they make those others look like complete amateur hour. (Narratives, characters, actors, themes, lighting, pacing, soundtrack, sets, etc. etc. etc.). All that before you even get to the stalking, kills, and physical presence of Michael in the new films, which are all top tier for the franchise. The look, feel, tone, and themes are all high level. They are actual large modern horror films with social commentary, which is another increasing rarity.

The hate these films get is and has been so ridiculous to me. The quality of them leaps off the screen. But I guess it's par for the course today. People's collective ability to discern has been very clearly and obviously waning.

I can't imagine finding Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers (LOL) superior to Halloween Kills. I just can't imagine having this preference.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/which-halloween-trilogy-do-you-prefer-between-thorn-and-the-legacy-ones.1358470/page-2#post-147896767

It’s kind of weird to me that more people haven’t picked up on and discussed the fascist social commentary of DGGs Halloween trilogy. To see people talk low of them.

Besides myself and talking about these films being a fascist allegory in the threads on here over the years, I’ve only seen one other person ANYWHERE (on the internet or IRL) bring up these films being social commentary on the current moment. It was the reviewer Walter Chaw. His comments on these three films are some of the only ones that have even come close to my own from what I’ve seen/heard, and it’s been pretty disappointing…

Michael Myers = fascist personification
Haddonfield = the United States
Laurie Strode = abuse victim survivors who have special insight to abuse/fascism and who desperately try to sound the alarms
Corey Cunningham = fascist legacy (think NeoNazis, how fascists have a tendency to re-emerge overtime in practically the same forms/image. “The South will rise again!” Etc.)

There’s a lot more connections to tease from those films, but I’ll just link Walter Chaw’s three reviews for anyone who better appreciates these three films and would be interested in seeing some more involved commentary on them.

Film Freak Central - Halloween (2018) Review by Walter Chaw

“Or maybe he's saying it's a stupid thing to wish for because when the past is released into the present, the effects are inexorable and terrible.”

“Later, when Allyson is assaulted in a drunken way by some guy at a party, it's interesting to see how she has or hasn't assimilated this message about the acceptance of abuse in our culture. Laurie can't get over it. Halloween is about that.”

Decider - ‘Halloween Kills’ Is The Slasher Equivalent Of ‘Indiana Jones And The Temple of Doom’

“For all intents and purposes, Halloween Kills is one of the most incisive films about the United States ever made. Everyone in it is traumatized and insane, bloodthirsty and bellicose, driven by vengeance for wrongs both real and imagined. They are bolstered by their own sense of being some kind of heroic avenger, when the reality is that a life of relative ease has made them soft and ineffectual.“

“Halloween Kills is sociopathic. It's an odd film to defend, but Halloween Kills is not wrong about who we are. If the last five or six years hasn't taught us that there's no clean way to get out of this — that 40% of our neighbors at any time are either actively okay with your death or passively okay with it — nothing will.”

“What Halloween Kills is, though, is a merciless probing of our tolerance for atrocities: for how long and how many of these people we'll watch get butchered, dressed like hogs, before we have a physical response to it. Will we kick when it's the interracial couple? The Black couple? The gay guys? How about the kids who all seem to be out of central casting for The Wild Bunch — all sniggering bullies and their feckless victims? How many people have to die, drowning in their own fluids as the people who love them watch, before we change our behaviors?”

Film Freak Central - Halloween Ends Review by Walter Chaw

“He is a mask of civility placed over the atrocity of our darkest impulses. It's why he's only really vulnerable to attack when the mask is removed. David Gordon Green's trio of Halloween films are as explicit about "The Shape" as a trope as the original was, which of course makes a lot of the fandom angry because fundamentalist religions resent the notion their deathless martyrs are elements of stories of redemption or the psychological contagion in cautionary tales.”


All three of DGGs Halloween films are all-timer, stone cold, certified classics.

I’d rather watch Halloween 5 and 6 any day

[Uncle]

we're reached the step of openly creating the culture the dictator wants to exist

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

 https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-is-reportedly-pushing-larry-ellison-and-paramount-to-revive-the-rush-hour-franchise.1362565/

evil, conniving dictators of the past: cult of personality, statues of dear leader everywhere, worship the visage of your new god

trump: want to see funi black man and chinaman

[Propagandhim]

Dont you eva touch a black man's radeeeeooo!

Trump laughs uncontrollably for the rest of the 2 hour movie

"It's soooo truee, you can't ever do that!!"

[Disco55]

Oh boy, Stellar Blade had been confirmed to be Playstation's best selling launch IP in history for PC. Surely they aren't coping too hard about.