Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Potato]

I'd suggest keeping it to the big hitters and notable indies - otherwise this sheet is gonna be filled with a billion games nobody has ever heard of

Yeah, don't put all the games in the list. Then it will be infinitely long and contain innumerable entries, beyond the human ability to count.

Unrelated reminder: AI is NOT universal or inevitable.

 

Pretty that user is talking of Shovelware slop like “Hentai girls *insert occupation*” that plagues both Steam and the EShop. You know, your favorite genre.

Boredfrom, as the usual Bire recipient of exaggerated attacks on your character, I am surprised to see you lob similar invectives against me--your sometimes ally!

I just know enough* to know that the AI shit in games--both explicitly and tangentially--is a done deal and here to say. There will be shit implementations of it, cut corners, job losses, etc. But it's not going to stop or go backwards. In part because people don't even care enough to define what "AI usage" in game even consists of. Placeholder art? Maybe ok...? AI voices? Not if voice actors don't get paid...wait, you paid them? Still no!

Then you get weird diminished versions of opposition that are only apply in cases where literal images are generated...and then it's like, what makes a .jpg so special and sacred above all other potentially AI generated things? AI generating extremely human looking NPCs and motion rigging obviously "cost jobs" too...but that didn't matter (and still doesn't).  

In fact, I expect devs will stop using Steam's opt-in AI disclosures, because doing so clearly does nothing but put a target on your game. If you don't disclose, and no one notices while playing, does the AI even exist? 


I have a pet theory that the main reason people are so assmad about AI are literally because of twitter/bluesky fartists being extremely obnoxious and amazingly influential. Remember the the Genocide when Twitter got bought by Elon? And how the number one reason not to leave twitter was some version of "my artists/my art"? And now that AI figured out how to make a picture of Winnie the Pooh smoking a joint, it's Genocide 2. I can't help but notice the parallels. 

I'm not even saying AI is great or perfect or without flaws, but the rules are the same as they ever were. A bad game is a bad game, an uninspired game is an uninspired game, a janky game is a janky game. And anyone can always decline to engage with any game for any reason, no matter how arbitrary. Just don't play games you don't like or don't interest you? 

*my uncle works at Nintendo.

These retards are only influential on the internet and with terminally online people like us. Normal people don't care what these idiots think and they have no pull outside of their little bubbles. They exert that influence by being the only group willing to be paid peanuts to generate internet news slop, but as the Hogwarts Legacy/Cyberpunk/*insert other failed boycott campaign here* proves, their influence is minimal. Occasionally, the mainstream picks up on their garbage and their causes achieve mainstream popularity for a few minutes, but their insanity always comes to the fore and normal people go  .

[benji]

yes I linked the short one on purpose to be brief here but I cannot believe he thinks he comes across well in his longer breakdown of the interview and has kept that video up, it is so petulant

He exposed Geoff's agenda. Extra funny thing is if you look at the comments at any point in the years since this, they're all mocking Joe like:

@dekudude8888
4 years ago
Geoff only has life in his eyes when he's talking about Hideo Kojima or fucking with Angry Joe

@defalt7023
8 years ago
"That little smile he has? That is years of training."

I swear, I laughed non-stop for 5 minutes.

@pancakepolicy3616
2 years ago
“i tried to be diplomatic” it sounds like he’s declaring war

@chaseray7321
2 years ago
Here for my yearly rewatch

@michaeldavis8175
1 year ago
It’s like seeing the shower thoughts of someone who lost an argument

@DngrDan
3 years ago
I love how he truly feels Geoff was the aggressor when he randomly just lambasted him for the whole Jenna Jameson thing. You can tell he instantly regretted going there too because his follow up question was to make sure he was even the executive producer at the time, which he was not. The abrupt topic change and him ending the interview himself after trying to drag it on for so long is comedic gold. The "GUY CAME AT ME PRETTY HARD, I'M NOT GONNA LIE" line as soon as Geoff leaves the frame is just the cherry on top.

@robin1418
3 years ago (edited)
Geoff: exists
Joe: HE'S FUCKING WITH ME, MAN. HE'S PUTTING ME ON MY BACK FOOT

[Boredfrom]

I'd suggest keeping it to the big hitters and notable indies - otherwise this sheet is gonna be filled with a billion games nobody has ever heard of

Yeah, don't put all the games in the list. Then it will be infinitely long and contain innumerable entries, beyond the human ability to count.

Unrelated reminder: AI is NOT universal or inevitable.

 

Pretty that user is talking of Shovelware slop like “Hentai girls *insert occupation*” that plagues both Steam and the EShop. You know, your favorite genre.

Boredfrom, as the usual Bire recipient of exaggerated attacks on your character, I am surprised to see you lob similar invectives against me--your sometimes ally!

I just know enough* to know that the AI shit in games--both explicitly and tangentially--is a done deal and here to say. There will be shit implementations of it, cut corners, job losses, etc. But it's not going to stop or go backwards. In part because people don't even care enough to define what "AI usage" in game even consists of. Placeholder art? Maybe ok...? AI voices? Not if voice actors don't get paid...wait, you paid them? Still no!

Then you get weird diminished versions of opposition that are only apply in cases where literal images are generated...and then it's like, what makes a .jpg so special and sacred above all other potentially AI generated things? AI generating extremely human looking NPCs and motion rigging obviously "cost jobs" too...but that didn't matter (and still doesn't).  

In fact, I expect devs will stop using Steam's opt-in AI disclosures, because doing so clearly does nothing but put a target on your game. If you don't disclose, and no one notices while playing, does the AI even exist?


I have a pet theory that the main reason people are so assmad about AI are literally because of twitter/bluesky fartists being extremely obnoxious and amazingly influential. Remember the the Genocide when Twitter got bought by Elon? And how the number one reason not to leave twitter was some version of "my artists/my art"? And now that AI figured out how to make a picture of Winnie the Pooh smoking a joint, it's Genocide 2. I can't help but notice the parallels. 

I'm not even saying AI is great or perfect or without flaws, but the rules are the same as they ever were. A bad game is a bad game, an uninspired game is an uninspired game, a janky game is a janky game. And anyone can always decline to engage with any game for any reason, no matter how arbitrary. Just don't play games you don't like or don't interest you? 

*my uncle works at Nintendo.

Thank you Tim Sweeney, very cool.   

“AI is going to get good enough to be unrecognizable, I swear.”  

“Meanwhile don’t call me out for using it as shitty and cheap as possible. With those games I suddenly love.”  

“Is not my contrarian brain talking.”

Also, want to now why I sometimes act a little vindictive, ask Potato.

[Potato]

Also, want to now why I sometimes act a little vindictive, ask Potato.

[Uncle]

why can't they ask me

[Boredfrom]

I don’t think Gen AI is theft, but it is also shitty if they don’t disclose its usage and the stuff that uses to training it. Not doing by claiming of “Having a target on their back” means that AI is nowhere as accepted as ProAI wants to claim to be. It feels it just benefits corpos than being a genuine argument.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aftermath-two-months-after-firing-over-charlie-kirk-comments-ghost-of-yotei-dev-blames-harassment-campaign-not-%E2%80%98bad-joke%E2%80%99.1363291/#post-148087243

People boycott Sucker Punch because one dev made that joke, or because of Erika Ishii
People boycott Sucker Punch because that dev got fired and leadership sucks

I'm so tired of this shit, this game deserved better. It's one of the best games from 2025. I miss the old days, when people actually talked about the quality of the games.

 User Banned (Permanent): Troll Account

[Boredfrom]

ERA remembers that China is scummy as hell:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/singer-ayumi-hamasaki-performs-in-empty-shanghai-venue-after-concert-abruptly-axed.1369894/

I know this is a whataboutism, but its the same thing the US can (and does) get away with. When you're that big, and that important economically, you can be a petulant little shit and get what you want...most of the time.

Not saying you are wrong, but the USA was not as blunt as China is, until Trump. Also, the USA allow internal dissident while China puts a front. USA diplomatic approach let them win the soft political power in terms of culture and its reach, while China gets a perpetual 1 step forward and 2 back.

[Boredfrom]

Also, want to now why I sometimes act a little vindictive, ask Potato.

[Uncle]

I don’t think Gen AI is theft

that's better reasoned than most people who just believe the first thing they read ever and then never re-examine how anything works

if it ever does infringe, then whoever's responsible for the infringement obviously deserves whatever's coming to them

but people are like   it stole ghibli's styyyyle

no one ever thinks for a second how fucked artists would be if you COULD copyright a style, disney would just own everything even more than they already do

you CAN copyright a character, like totoro or iron man or sonic, and if someone is misusing a character then they deserve the consequences...the thing is, I'm not sure whether that would really be the model's fault, or the person who asked the model for the character and then went on to misuse it, really seems like it'd be more the latter

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aftermath-two-months-after-firing-over-charlie-kirk-comments-ghost-of-yotei-dev-blames-harassment-campaign-not-%E2%80%98bad-joke%E2%80%99.1363291/#post-148087243

People boycott Sucker Punch because one dev made that joke, or because of Erika Ishii
People boycott Sucker Punch because that dev got fired and leadership sucks

I'm so tired of this shit, this game deserved better. It's one of the best games from 2025. I miss the old days, when people actually talked about the quality of the games.

 User Banned (Permanent): Troll Account

Great choice, mods. Ban the guy who *checks notes* is sick of culture war in videogames. Let's intead keep the guys around who now argue that Sucker Punch is a white supremacist studio, I'm sure those will be valuable members for your videogame forum

[benji]

ERA remembers that China is scummy as hell:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/singer-ayumi-hamasaki-performs-in-empty-shanghai-venue-after-concert-abruptly-axed.1369894/

I know this is a whataboutism, but its the same thing the US can (and does) get away with. When you're that big, and that important economically, you can be a petulant little shit and get what you want...most of the time.

Are there any examples of the US federal government cancelling a concert in the US?

[Taco Bell Tower]

I'm not sure why China thinks this approach is commendable. They look petulant on the world stage, and this wouldn't inspire confidence in me if I was a non-Chinese business. Why operate in a country that frequently throws tantrums like this?

The Japanese government should match their energy, and penalize Chinese-owned gacha games operating in Japan. If China wishes to financially punish Japanese cultural exports, then Chinese ones should also receive a penalty.

They were happy with China's censorship for Genshin Impact 

[benji]

you CAN copyright a character, like totoro or iron man or sonic, and if someone is misusing a character then they deserve the consequences...the thing is, I'm not sure whether that would really be the model's fault, or the person who asked the model for the character and then went on to misuse it, really seems like it'd be more the latter

You can't copyright a character in the same way you can a work, that's why you're more likely to be hit with a trademark violation instead. Nepenthe would definitely not want go down this road or she'd be on the hook for the gobs of precum. Not to mention "producing" actual copyright and trademark infringing art:

[Boredfrom]

They love China heavy handed authoritarian rule until they remember they are more petty than Trump and is encouraged in an institutional level. And is always something when you see the Sino User thinking this is normal:

You do realise that the Japanese government started this right? I understand we love to Place Japan everything but Takaichi is really doing Japan no favours in terms of international relations right now.

[benji]

The Japanese government started it by saying something true.

[filler]

I'd rather vacation in chiner than japan(not counting okinawa)

chiner>>>>>>>>>japan

[Boredfrom]

Okay.

[Uncle]

you CAN copyright a character, like totoro or iron man or sonic, and if someone is misusing a character then they deserve the consequences...the thing is, I'm not sure whether that would really be the model's fault, or the person who asked the model for the character and then went on to misuse it, really seems like it'd be more the latter

You can't copyright a character in the same way you can a work, that's why you're more likely to be hit with a trademark violation instead.

from what I understand, violations for a character must be quite explicit about checking boxes to steal everything about them, for instance having a speech bubble pointing at Mario's face where he's saying "hello I am Mario, I collect coins and mushrooms to help me defeat the evil Bowser"

because that's part of what's being copyrighted about the character, the "story being told"

it's why you can get away with selling a Mario costume without the M on the hat and call it "plumber hero character"

[HaughtyFrank]

They love China heavy handed authoritarian rule until they remember they are more petty than Trump and is encouraged in an institutional level. And is always something when you see the Sino User thinking this is normal:

You do realise that the Japanese government started this right? I understand we love to Place Japan everything but Takaichi is really doing Japan no favours in terms of international relations right now.

Japan: "If Taiwan is invaded we will help defend it"

China: "We're going to cut off the Japanese prime ministers head"

https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-diplomat-threatens-behead-japans-pm-sanae-takaichi-11019624

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/metroid-prime-4-beyond-ot-voil%C3%A0-vi-o-la.1369129/page-8#post-148344214

if you don't want to hear a lesbian sputtering shyly while samus kicks ass and ignores her outside of the occasional gesture of approval then idk what to tell you

Lol yep I'm part of the problem because that sounds hyper appealing to me, and relatable.

[Boredfrom]

She is a politician and sometimes that means not saying anything. She really is no better than Trump. Maybe even more xenofopic. This Margret Thatcher stan is blaming everything that's going wrong with Japan on foreigners

I think you're right everyone assumes that Japan, and basically every Western aligned nation in the region, might get militarily involved in some capacity if Taiwan is invaded by China, but the policy of being ambiguous about it (not even the United States commits fully to going to war with China) serves a diplomatic function that everyone understands.

Assuming she just didn't gaffe or whatever.

May be a diplomatic gaffe but China did a petulant and petty answer for something that was accepted in hushed tongues. 

The only reason to entertain the idea of this being okay is because the current PM is Right Wing (like most PM since a decade ago).

[benji]

This comic made me chuckle as it's basically Resetera

[benji]

Japan: "If Taiwan is invaded we will help defend it"

China: "We're going to cut off the Japanese prime ministers head"

https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-diplomat-threatens-behead-japans-pm-sanae-takaichi-11019624

Talk shit, get hit.  Don't fuck around if you don't want to find out.

[Boredfrom]

SinoERA derails a thread with “Why Japan did this?”:

The better question to ask is why now.

And, “the Japanese PM is a right wing bitch”:

Like, I get why she did it ideologically considering she's a far right populist and WW2 revisionist, but it feels like a bad move for the tenuous peace in the region.

Forgetting that it was about a Pop Singer getting her concert cancelled for political pettiness.

[benji]

The better question to ask is why now.

Like, I get why she did it ideologically considering she's a far right populist and WW2 revisionist, but it feels like a bad move for the tenuous peace in the region.

Because she was asked?  

Takaichi, who was sworn into office last month, told a parliamentary committee on Friday that a Chinese military blockade of Taiwan, which Beijing claims as its own, would likely create a "survival-threatening situation" for Japan

[Boredfrom]

The last thing Taiwan needs is China shortening it's fuse due to diplomatic spats like this.

Victim Blaming? 

[Boredfrom]

The better question to ask is why now.

Like, I get why she did it ideologically considering she's a far right populist and WW2 revisionist, but it feels like a bad move for the tenuous peace in the region.

Because she was asked?  

Takaichi, who was sworn into office last month, told a parliamentary committee on Friday that a Chinese military blockade of Taiwan, which Beijing claims as its own, would likely create a "survival-threatening situation" for Japan

It sounds like PM usually deflect it, while being the standard policy and being understood by everyone. 

Maybe is against the rules East Asian etiquette?  

[benji]

Yeah, much better for them to just assume they can take the island with everyone's approval. Tacit endorsement worked great to extend Russia's fuse.  

Endless list of things you can't put in media or allow people to do because it'd just embolden the chuds or help some chud YouTuber propagandize, but if some regional bullies want something you should just pretend you'll give it to them so they don't get upset.

[Boredfrom]

Russia invades Ukraine.

Lefties: “why NATO did this?”