Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Jansen]

Isn't he just saying generative AI is helping their concept artists with references and the artists still make their own art?



Is that really any different from Googling images for reference or making a mood board from art spliced together from Google or am I missing something?

Who's going to champion for Exodus now

[Boredfrom]

I'd also just go ahead and ignore anyone that uses the word "Luddite" unironically at this point.

Very funny too considering the Luddite movement was originated due to the working conditions of workers being hurt by technology…

Nuhuh, the luddites were good actually  and anyone who doesn't realise that is obviously not fit to live 

 

Luddites is the new Nazi.  

[nachobro]

more like chuddites

[Uncle]

the "um ackchewally" people are trying to do about the luddites is annoying as shit, it's the same history rewriting as declaring some ancient guy trans or declaring yasuke to be a samurai

the luddites were not "class conscious," they were bumbling idiots who thought if they destroyed enough automatic looms that people would stop making them, and they obviously got in massive trouble for basically being terrorists and lost their little war, and the world became a much better place because of it

[Boredfrom]

Yep, the new Nazis.  

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bloomberg-larian-using-genai-on-divinity-often-using-it-to-explore-ideas-flesh-out-powerpoints-develop-concept-art-and-write-placeholder-text.1384618/page-28#post-149005891



Fuck you b-dumbs I'm bored as hell.

[HaughtyFrank]

Larian CEO telling people to calm the fuck down

[Uncle]

[Boredfrom]

Being fair, those people were praising him because he was shit talking Arc Raiders use of it.

Spread the wealth, indeed.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

edit:

Lol

They don't give a fuck because it's not something to give a fuck about.

[BananaBlast]

The worst part about the "Lords of the Fallen 2" circlejerking topic is that it's all a giant overreaction based on a clickbait article that made a mountain out of a molehill.

Someone on twitter merely asked if the game would have attractive women in skimpy clothing, and the CEO replied "Yes". That's it. Just "Yes." And then journalists/redditors, with an axe to grind, went wild with filling in the blanks. Shitty Kotaku even made an article titled "Lords Of The Fallen 2 Dev Being Weird Again, Teases Gooner Bait" before changing it into "Lords Of The Fallen 2 Dev Promises Sexy Women, But Fans Just Want Better Soulslike Gameplay".

Nothing was even shown off. So the entire topic is based off extreme clickbait, and Era users getting mad at imaginary perversions conjured from their own hypocritical cumbrains.

[BananaBlast]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-didn’t-realize-stellar-blade-was-seemingly-inspired-by-nier-automata.1385317/

I didn’t realize Stellar Blade was seemingly inspired by Nier Automata

NOTE: I AM STRICTLY TALKING GANEPLAY/THEME/VIBE, THIS STORY IS NOT EVEN IN THE SAME UNIVERSE AS NIER: AUTOMATA

I went into SB not expecting much, as whenever I see the game there isn't much talk on the actual gameplay. So I was quite surprised that while playing it, the title wears a lot of its Nier: Automata inspiration on its sleeve.

Before I get "Guy who has only played N:A, I'm seeing a lot of N:A similarities here" type posts. I think the fact there's a Nier collab as well just adds and highlights the gameplay similarities.

You have aspects such as
- Open "Zones" where you can complete side missions
- Post Apocalyptic Setting where humans are still around but barely
- Completing quests for said humans
- "Android/Android-like" main character
- Strong use of music (especially with lyrics) to set vibes during exploration
- Floating Robot Companion
- Some more stuff I'm probably forgetting

About the only thing it doesn't outright have compared to Nier: A is the addition of bullet hell like elements. Though I imagine such an addition might be been the bit that tipped people over lol.

As I said prior, this thread isn't me saying this title is as good as Nier: Automata. It's just me being surprised how similar the two are in various ways, especially with the costumes. So much so that screenshots of the Nier DLC could honestly be used to fake Nier A2 being a thing. Like with just a bit of retooling, this easily could've been a Nier:A spin-off (With the story being the weakest link and it's pretty uninteresting. Basically only offering enough to keep you moving forward).

When the director said it inspired him, he really meant it.

Another Stellar Blade ragebait thread, where OP pretends to play stupid about the game's obvious Nier Automata inspiration that everyone has already beaten to the ground like a horse.

Probably to fish out "uninspired gooner chud game" circlejerk responses.

[Jansen]

Just a quote dump from constructive

The Larian AI thread has devolved into open hostility basically.





I wish the staff would make it more clear that just because you disagree with someone on something like AI doesn't mean you get to openly break the rules and attack them. And that goes for either direction of the conversation whether you are okay with it or not okay with it.





(Yes I reported the posts)

How we're discussing AI going forwards should really be its own topic here, it's getting very apparent that there are a lot of bad faith accounts and posts, been seeing it loads with the same 'get used to it', 'everyone* is doing it', it's grating, annoying and malicious on a forum that is meant to celebrate the medium and its creators.

There are definitely trolls and bad actors, but having the belief that most studios are already using it in some way or will be in the immediate future is not itself malicious. It seems to be the unfortunate reality of the hobby at the moment given how hard its being pushed by studios big and small.

For me it is the way that posters, who likely post very little, are attracted like swarms to make sure they assure anyone and everyone about their being ok, indifferent, defending, downplaying, etc GenAI.



Like, I cleaned my ignore list out a while back and now I'm convinced I'm going to end up busting through my limit because of how insufferable they are and how much they poison discussion.

Most AI threads have a clear issue of becoming incredibly polarized very fast. I don't think it makes anyone any good when you get people acting dumb 10+ pages into a thread asking why people "are so mad about AI use". I also think some of the anti-AI crowd (that I belong to) can go a little overboard in their hostility when it gets redirected from AI use in general towards specific posters on this forum.



I really think and hope there is a way to have more constructive discussions about AI but the entire discourse is so infected I'm not sure how.

The problem is that despite most of us all hating AI we all have varying degrees of which we are willing to tolerate it. That difference in tolerance levels will naturally lead to a lot more negative back and forth than there would be if was just a simple yes or no.





What I'm okay with will be different than what you are okay with even though we both don't like it in general and so on.

I certainly understand, but my perception is that so often it feels "weaponised" in a way.

I can definitely agree it does feel that way from certain posters. But I will also say it feels the same in the other direction at times. People using AI as an excuse to go after games/studios they don't like. But in the end i can't help but feel if it was some other controversy around Larian or some other beloved studio there would still be a lot of the hostility we are seeing in that thread. Which really sucks when you think about it.

Oh for sure, it's what can be so difficult about this place sometimes. Genuinely can't work out if some people are just creating havoc or have ulterior motives.

There's always been a bit of an undercurrent of that going on for as long as I can remember, but it's really ramped up in the last year or so in my opinion.





I feel like it's getting harder and harder to tell who is genuinely upset at something and who is just using that something as an excuse to be upset if that makes sense.

I just put it down to getting older, going through some shit, and just having a growing feeling the world around me is unhinged 😂

Do most of us despise AI? Or is there a subset of users just so constantly hostile to anyone mentioning AI that anyone not firmly in that camp just keeps their mouths shut.

I would say most of the forum at the very least wishes AI was less prevalent in our lives yeah.



But there is a subset of the forum is actively hostile towards AI and anyone that is okay with it. Which is its own problem for sure.

What is the expected reaction to something that is harmful to humanity as a whole?

Especially when it is already bringing some of that harm right into some of our backyards?

Not break the rules of the forum and don't be openly hostile towards other members at least? Just because someone is okay with AI or certain uses of it doesn't give anyone the green light to go after them personally on here. We still have rules even when you vehemently disagree with someone.





It feels like every thread we have related to AI becomes immediately polarized within the first page or two and then every other page after that has just varying degrees of hostility. Everytime. Then they either get locked like the Larian thread is or its just a black hole of arguments until it eventually fizzled out.

To discuss respectfully, just like everything else.



I am staunchly anti-AI. I think being pro-AI is anti-human, and that its use constitutes a threat to just about every aspect of human life. But we're not here to change the world, it's a discussion forum. Getting ugly with pro-AI folks isn't going to change anything and is deleterious to the functions of the board.



This community has had a problem for years now with letting people fly off the handle if their opinion is "correct" and it has never been good for the board. I work in the arts and have to deal with the "AI is inevitable" crowd in my industry every day, it drives me crazy but I would never attack or insult them. It is possible to passionately disagree and maintain civil discourse. That is a standard we should strive to maintain here, engaging in toxic back-and-forth accomplishes nothing.

i am quite extremely tired of the calls for decorum and how that so often leads to people standing for something getting banned left and right, while the trouble stirrers are allowed to march along merrily because they word their posts nicely



like y'all i've been on the internet for three decades now, we figured out how this works. civil discourse is a blunt instrument always used to smear out the wronged



sometimes people need to be told in no uncertain terms that their opinion sucks shit. and it's incredibly lame to come crawling into this thread to whine about those of us who dare to actually take a stand against the very thing tearing our industries apart and costing untold amounts of creatives work opportunities while doing immeasurable damage to the environment like a sad dog with your tail between your legs. you have to own your opinion and face that when people challenge you against it

I mean, if you see it that much and it's that over the top, report it. That's what we're encouraged to do time and time again, instead of somehow rewriting the rules governing discussion.



If it gets too heated, and you find yourself at odds with a person, or a group of people, but they're not breaking the rules to the point where they're getting reported and banned -- that's what the ignore functionality is for, yeah?

I get the frustration but we still have to have rules.



If everyone was allowed to be hostile everytime someone had a shit opinion this entire place woul
d be in flames within a week.





Oh I do report them.



And I am not trying to rewrite the rules of discussion. I'm just saying the rules still count even if you devoutly disagree with someone. Thats it.

Gotta highlight this one 

[Boredfrom]

the "um ackchewally" people are trying to do about the luddites is annoying as shit, it's the same history rewriting as declaring some ancient guy trans or declaring yasuke to be a samurai

the luddites were not "class conscious," they were bumbling idiots who thought if they destroyed enough automatic looms that people would stop making them, and they obviously got in massive trouble for basically being terrorists and lost their little war, and the world became a much better place because of it

Okay, Uncle, here is the genuine article:

I am staunchly anti-AI. I think being pro-AI is anti-human, and that its use constitutes a threat to just about every aspect of human life.

   

This community has had a problem for years now with letting people fly off the handle if their opinion is "correct" and it has never been good for the board

My dude, you are contributing with that rethoric. Even if you claim to mean well and wanting to listen to others, you are already starting the conversation as a condescending asshole that is not going to change anything from your position.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Pop Art, baby. 

[Keetongu]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-didn’t-realize-stellar-blade-was-seemingly-inspired-by-nier-automata.1385317/

I didn’t realize Stellar Blade was seemingly inspired by Nier Automata

NOTE: I AM STRICTLY TALKING GANEPLAY/THEME/VIBE, THIS STORY IS NOT EVEN IN THE SAME UNIVERSE AS NIER: AUTOMATA

I went into SB not expecting much, as whenever I see the game there isn't much talk on the actual gameplay. So I was quite surprised that while playing it, the title wears a lot of its Nier: Automata inspiration on its sleeve.

Before I get "Guy who has only played N:A, I'm seeing a lot of N:A similarities here" type posts. I think the fact there's a Nier collab as well just adds and highlights the gameplay similarities.

You have aspects such as
- Open "Zones" where you can complete side missions
- Post Apocalyptic Setting where humans are still around but barely
- Completing quests for said humans
- "Android/Android-like" main character
- Strong use of music (especially with lyrics) to set vibes during exploration
- Floating Robot Companion
- Some more stuff I'm probably forgetting

About the only thing it doesn't outright have compared to Nier: A is the addition of bullet hell like elements. Though I imagine such an addition might be been the bit that tipped people over lol.

As I said prior, this thread isn't me saying this title is as good as Nier: Automata. It's just me being surprised how similar the two are in various ways, especially with the costumes. So much so that screenshots of the Nier DLC could honestly be used to fake Nier A2 being a thing. Like with just a bit of retooling, this easily could've been a Nier:A spin-off (With the story being the weakest link and it's pretty uninteresting. Basically only offering enough to keep you moving forward).

When the director said it inspired him, he really meant it.

Another Stellar Blade ragebait thread, where OP pretends to play stupid about the game's obvious Nier Automata inspiration that everyone has already beaten to the ground like a horse.

Probably to fish out "uninspired gooner chud game" circlejerk responses.

What a retard. Guys I'm starting to think Treasure Planet was inspired by Treasure Island. The thing that tipped me off was when the director said "Treasure Planet is inspired by Treasure Island."

[Boredfrom]

Pop Art, baby. 

[Daffy Duck]

Just a quote dump from constructive

The Larian AI thread has devolved into open hostility basically.





I wish the staff would make it more clear that just because you disagree with someone on something like AI doesn't mean you get to openly break the rules and attack them. And that goes for either direction of the conversation whether you are okay with it or not okay with it.





(Yes I reported the posts)

How we're discussing AI going forwards should really be its own topic here, it's getting very apparent that there are a lot of bad faith accounts and posts, been seeing it loads with the same 'get used to it', 'everyone* is doing it', it's grating, annoying and malicious on a forum that is meant to celebrate the medium and its creators.

There are definitely trolls and bad actors, but having the belief that most studios are already using it in some way or will be in the immediate future is not itself malicious. It seems to be the unfortunate reality of the hobby at the moment given how hard its being pushed by studios big and small.

For me it is the way that posters, who likely post very little, are attracted like swarms to make sure they assure anyone and everyone about their being ok, indifferent, defending, downplaying, etc GenAI.



Like, I cleaned my ignore list out a while back and now I'm convinced I'm going to end up busting through my limit because of how insufferable they are and how much they poison discussion.

Most AI threads have a clear issue of becoming incredibly polarized very fast. I don't think it makes anyone any good when you get people acting dumb 10+ pages into a thread asking why people "are so mad about AI use". I also think some of the anti-AI crowd (that I belong to) can go a little overboard in their hostility when it gets redirected from AI use in general towards specific posters on this forum.



I really think and hope there is a way to have more constructive discussions about AI but the entire discourse is so infected I'm not sure how.

The problem is that despite most of us all hating AI we all have varying degrees of which we are willing to tolerate it. That difference in tolerance levels will naturally lead to a lot more negative back and forth than there would be if was just a simple yes or no.





What I'm okay with will be different than what you are okay with even though we both don't like it in general and so on.

I certainly understand, but my perception is that so often it feels "weaponised" in a way.

I can definitely agree it does feel that way from certain posters. But I will also say it feels the same in the other direction at times. People using AI as an excuse to go after games/studios they don't like. But in the end i can't help but feel if it was some other controversy around Larian or some other beloved studio there would still be a lot of the hostility we are seeing in that thread. Which really sucks when you think about it.

Oh for sure, it's what can be so difficult about this place sometimes. Genuinely can't work out if some people are just creating havoc or have ulterior motives.

There's always been a bit of an undercurrent of that going on for as long as I can remember, but it's really ramped up in the last year or so in my opinion.





I feel like it's getting harder and harder to tell who is genuinely upset at something and who is just using that something as an excuse to be upset if that makes sense.

I just put it down to getting older, going through some shit, and just having a growing feeling the world around me is unhinged 😂

Do most of us despise AI? Or is there a subset of users just so constantly hostile to anyone mentioning AI that anyone not firmly in that camp just keeps their mouths shut.

I would say most of the forum at the very least wishes AI was less prevalent in our lives yeah.



But there is a subset of the forum is actively hostile towards AI and anyone that is okay with it. Which is its own problem for sure.

What is the expected reaction to something that is harmful to humanity as a whole?

Especially when it is already bringing some of that harm right into some of our backyards?

Not break the rules of the forum and don't be openly hostile towards other members at least? Just because someone is okay with AI or certain uses of it doesn't give anyone the green light to go after them personally on here. We still have rules even when you vehemently disagree with someone.





It feels like every thread we have related to AI becomes immediately polarized within the first page or two and then every other page after that has just varying degrees of hostility. Everytime. Then they either get locked like the Larian thread is or its just a black hole of arguments until it eventually fizzled out.

To discuss respectfully, just like everything else.



I am staunchly anti-AI. I think being pro-AI is anti-human, and that its use constitutes a threat to just about every aspect of human life. But we're not here to change the world, it's a discussion forum. Getting ugly with pro-AI folks isn't going to change anything and is deleterious to the functions of the board.



This community has had a problem for years now with letting people fly off the handle if their opinion is "correct" and it has never been good for the board. I work in the arts and have to deal with the "AI is inevitable" crowd in my industry every day, it drives me crazy but I would never attack or insult them. It is possible to passionately disagree and maintain civil discourse. That is a standard we should strive to maintain here, engaging in toxic back-and-forth accomplishes nothing.

i am quite extremely tired of the calls for decorum and how that so often leads to people standing for something getting banned left and right, while the trouble stirrers are allowed to march along merrily because they word their posts nicely



like y'all i've been on the internet for three decades now, we figured out how this works. civil discourse is a blunt instrument always used to smear out the wronged



sometimes people need to be told in no uncertain terms that their opinion sucks shit. and it's incredibly lame to come crawling into this thread to whine about those of us who dare to actually take a stand against the very thing tearing our industries apart and costing untold amounts of creatives work opportunities while doing immeasurable damage to the environment like a sad dog with your tail between your legs. you have to own your opinion and face that when people challenge you against it

I mean, if you see it that much and it's that over the top, report it. That's what we're encouraged to do time and time again, instead of somehow rewriting the rules governing discussion.



If it gets too heated, and you find yourself at odds with a person, or a group of people, but they're not breaking the rules to the point where they're getting reported and banned -- that's what the ignore functionality is for, yeah?

I get the frustration but we still have to have rules.



If everyone was allowed to be hostile everytime someone had a shit opinion this entire place woul
d be in flames within a week.





Oh I do report them.



And I am not trying to rewrite the rules of discussion. I'm just saying the rules still count even if you devoutly disagree with someone. Thats it.

Gotta highlight this one 

Jesus Christ, they’re so entrenched in their echo chamber that anyone who holds an opposing view (and this applies to anything there, not just ai, they immediately claim them to be bad faith actors/trolls

[malfoyking]

lol Nepenthe.... 

anyway, i will bet money they will close that Larian AI topic.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bloomberg-larian-using-genai-on-divinity-often-using-it-to-explore-ideas-flesh-out-powerpoints-develop-concept-art-and-write-placeholder-text.1384618/page-28#post-149005891

Fuck you b-dumbs I'm bored as hell.

Lool. What the fuck did I say? They are rabid as hell.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Just temporarily locked. I'm sure it'll be reopened any day now.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/list-of-games-that-use-generative-ai.1367848/page-8#post-149009251

I hadn't seen this thread before, but I've been doing my own list over on Backloggd for the past two months: https://backloggd.com/u/RysultSet/list/artificial-intelligence-dystopia-games-using-generative-ai-in-any-form-1/



I'm going to read through the whole thread over the holidays next week, and I'm a bit sheepish when it comes to just writing into a shared, somewhat public file, but from what I can see the Google sheet is missing Crabs Must Die!, Where Winds Meet, Hail to the Rainbow, Grandpa High on Retro, not counting the three games on this very thread page.



Hotel Barcelona could probably do with this PC Gamer article as a source, because the Steam store doesn't have the disclosure (anymore?).

Horizon Steel Frontiers had a thread regarding the developers generative AI usage on here, but I cannot confirm the accuracy of the translations. Here's the original article.

Postal: Bullet Paradise also got some heat recently, on here, on Polygon.com and was then promptly unpublished and got an official statement from Running With Scissors (sadly on X).



Funny that The Last Night manages to rear its ugly head and of course I only know of it again, because they used generative AI. That guy just can't stop winning, can he?



I suppose I'd add Larian Studio's new Divinity to the list, at least as so far the CEO is concerned: 'Baldur's Gate 3' Maker Promises 'Divinity' Will Be 'Next Level' Bloomberg.com article, ex-employee statement, then the CEO response to the backlash (on ign.com) and then finally the CEO's defending post (on BlueSky).

In it he links to this GameSpot interview, which doesn't really help his case, if you ask me.



Please give me green light to make all those additions, I'd be glad to do the work myself! Just wanted to ask for permission first, I guess.

[HaughtyFrank]

Gotta highlight this one 

Jesus Christ, they’re so entrenched in their echo chamber that anyone who holds an opposing view (and this applies to anything there, not just ai, they immediately claim them to be bad faith actors/trolls

Not just bad faith, "malicious" 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/former-president-joe-biden-receives-chris-abele-impact-award-for-historic-leadership-on-lgbtq-equality.1374832/#post-148546039

I dunno I'm trans and I'll appreciate the presidents that let me exist

I wonder how the LGBT population of Gaza feels about this

 User Banned (2 Weeks): Inflammatory Rhetoric

[Orange Juice Box]

I'm pretty sure the Africans enslaved to mine the minerals necessary to make your AI-infused video games which in turn are destroying the climate and will lead to the most catastrophic damage in Africa appreciate your definitely-sincere concern for their workplace conditions.

Oh, shut the fuck up Nepenthe. You don’t give a fuck about them and you know it.

Not once did she give a shit about the US Aid cuts

It meant less dirty western money and fewer USA military Aid.  It was a net positive even if people died.

[Averon]

It's impressive how Nep turned a thread about AI in a videogame into lambasting someone about African enslavement. Like, how the hell did she mental gymnastic her way into bringing that up?

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-hate-that-december-has-consistently-become-the-most-lonely-and-depressing-month-for-me.1384261/

December used to be a month of joy and excitement when I was young. Just a magical feeling and vibe with the holidays and spending time with friends and family.

The Christmas magic waned a bit as I got older, which I guess is to be expected. But over time it's gone well beyond just that to the point of being the most lonely and isolating month of the year for me.

I've made several threads the past few weeks about my struggles, and this time of year really ramps up the sadness. Part of it I guess is another year about to wrap up and being nowhere near where I want to be in life. Part of it is the nostalgia I have for my younger years when the holidays still brought me a feeling of whimsy that is all but gone now. And just emphasizing the feeling of loneliness as people are out and about with their partners and whatnot having fun and I'm just over here being sick and miserable. I have friends and family, sure, but the void in my life I have in regards to romantic love is particularly aching at this time of year. And beyond that, I just feel like I'm missing out on a lot while dealing with my own struggles. I SHOULD be happy and excited right now, but I'm not, and it makes me feel like I'm wasting time away.

I don't know what the point of this thread is. Just want to get my thoughts out. Maybe some of you can commiserate.

resetera isnt an incel forum tho

[Mediocre Lager]

It's impressive how Nep turned a thread about AI in a videogame into lambasting someone about African enslavement. Like, how the hell did she mental gymnastic her way into bringing that up?

You say that as if you shouldn't always be thinking about African Enslavement*

*The only kind that matters

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

It's impressive how Nep turned a thread about AI in a videogame into lambasting someone about African enslavement. Like, how the hell did she mental gymnastic her way into bringing that up?

You say that as if you shouldn't always be thinking about African Enslavement*

*The only kind that matters

Don't worry, I'm always thinking about enslaving Af...

Wait. No. Never mind.

Don't wanna ruin my chances of running for office.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mozilla-names-new-ceo-firefox-to-evolve-into-a-modern-ai-browser.1385350/page-3#post-149010172

You aren't going to stop AI. Sorry guys.

That doesn't mean I'm going to stop fighting it every chance I get.