Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[benji]

You know, perhaps ironically, I actually have a very similar circle. Which is why I know that, just as an example, a 6th-year associate on the Cravath scale gets a total comp of $520k/year while a senior character concept artist (6-8 years experience) is listed on ND's website at a range of $143,700—$179,600. That's just one of the differences between the gaming industry and the fields you mentioned, but it's probably the biggest one.

A 6th-year-associate is two years from partner (or they're fired) and does a work level no character artist would accept. They also have a graduate degree from an Ivy League school. (Cravath firms, especially at that salary range, only hire graduates from the Ivy's or equivalent quality law schools.)

[Boredfrom]

Jason: Games should cost 120 dollars.

[Potato]

Yup. Casually sexually assaulting a co-worker in the middle of the office requires a very toxic office culture.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/former-larian-employee-claims-she-suffered-sexual-harrassment-there-and-they-refused-to-fire-an-outright-fascist-despite-protest-from-employees.1386304/page-9#post-149074078

“Assaulting a woman on the bus requires a very toxic bus culture”

“Assaulting a woman in a grocery store requires a very toxic shopping culture” 

etc

Or, it just requires a very toxic person who has a light grip on reality and has been trained by years of social media use and a deranged trans community to exaggerate shit for attention...

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/thieves-dressed-as-santa-and-elves-steal-3k-worth-of-goods-from-grocery-store-to-then-redistribute-montreal.1387474/#post-149086798

Direct action works.

Yep, all you gotta do is plan out your petty crime, get the 3000 bucks, then do it all over again until that business moves out and you complain about food/pharmacy deserts.     Or you can develop skills and get out of your menial job, provide people with value and help in a normal, productive, non anti-social way that doesn't make civilization suck ass to live in.

Nepenthe: Theft is okay.  

Also Nepenthe: AI training is theft.

[Boredfrom]

Being fair, Nepenthe has always been okay with stealing and fraud, as she still owes money to that furry dude.

[Besticus Maximus]

That forum has turned into a forum where lunatics get mad at games studios they like, it's not sustainable. The new release OTs barely scratch 50 pages.

[Boredfrom]

That forum has turned into a forum where lunatics get mad at games studios they like, it's not sustainable. The new release OTs barely scratch 50 pages.

Remember when different people used to make OP? Now is just Doops and some two dudes.

[kaleidoscopium]

Nobody there plays games, feels like the Etc section is consistently more active than the gaming side. And even on the gaming side its almost always complaining about some social aspect of a game

[Taco Bell Tower]

Crazy amount of work hours for more than half a decade for games we can beat in a week, this industry is something else.

That ND crunch thread is something

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/december-14-2025-15-victims-killed-in-a-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia.1382806/page-3#post-148902430

 User Banned (1 Month): Racist Generalization

Simeone named "Ahmad" is 99% Muslim and they don't drink alcohol...

Why is that racist but all the guys who instantly went "Omg a muslim stopped the shooter" weren't? Is the racism that Muslims don't drink alcohol? I mean, they don't.

Lots of Bosnians stop drinking alcohol during Ramadan. 

[books]

I hate Larian because of the stupid physical and magic armor nonsense from DOS2 negating the fun tactics to stun lock enemies in DoS1. 

But now I love them/it. 

I hope they dont address the screeching concerns, because as history has shown, addressing nonsense issues never works out.

[TylenolJones]

I like Feep talking shit in the naughty dog thread even though the studio he runs hasn’t released a game in 10 years

[Jansen]

I like Feep talking shit in the naughty dog thread even though the studio he runs hasn’t released a game in 10 years

Once a developer always a developer

[kaleidoscopium]

I like Feep talking shit in the naughty dog thread even though the studio he runs hasn’t released a game in 10 years

thought the same thing so I checked, he supposedly has a new game coming out next year finally 
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1626170/People_of_Note/

social media buzz is quite low but doesnt look... too bad

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bloomberg-larian-using-genai-on-divinity-often-using-it-to-explore-ideas-flesh-out-powerpoints-develop-concept-art-and-write-placeholder-text.1384618/page-17#post-148996435 

As I said before, fundamentally the bedrock with which the West continues to exist upon and exert dominant economic, technological, and cultural influence is inextricably linked to Black and Indigenous colonialism. Every dollar flowing throughout its system inevitably had to come from the scores of land, wealth, and labor that was stolen and appropriated and continues to be stolen and appropriated.

It's not just NVIDIA. It's everything- the infrastructure, the banks, the schools. All of it. People either haven't come to terms with the sheer scale of fuckery against Africans and Indigenous folks that was not only necessary for The United States and Europe to establish themselves but continues to be necessary- right now- for their continued place on the world stage, or they just don't care because, hey, they and the few minorities they care about aren't the ones in the mines so why even bring it up at all?

Oh, but let me tell you how much I care about the conditions of "workers." The question always comes back to a clarifying one of specificity: Which workers do you actually care about? Can't possibly be all of them.

Didn't realize African slave labor contributed to the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution, the abundance of coal and iron, the development of joint-stock companies,  high wages that incentivized labor-saving mechanization, the development of private property rights and democratic accountability, scientific inquiry and achievements,etc...  Why are Germany and the Nordic countries wealthy? They had little to no colonial holdings.  Why is Spain and Portugal, who had massive colonial holdings and wealth extractions not as wealthy and have experienced economic stagnation?  How did China achieve economic and technological influence through internal development and global trade (and why don't you ever mention the Chinese and African role in PRESENT-DAY negotiated extractions of wealth from Africa w/ infrastructure-for-resource swaps, mining, and debt traps)   Why have modern economic systems lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty globally through trade?   Why does NOBODY reply to Nepenthe with this obvious information?  Why am I talking to myself?

Oh, but let me tell you how much I care about the conditions of "workers." The question always comes back to a clarifying one of specificity: Which workers do you actually care about? Can't possibly be all of them.

You think Africans are too stupid or too incompetent or too easily hoodwinked by others to provide value in a competitive global trade system, so they have to carve out an exceptional, isolated system for themselves (as their economies are growing) because they're unique humans.  You're deranged and racist as fuck.

Because she banned everyone willing to speak up?

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/thieves-dressed-as-santa-and-elves-steal-3k-worth-of-goods-from-grocery-store-to-then-redistribute-montreal.1387474/#post-149086798

Direct action works.

Yep, all you gotta do is plan out your petty crime, get the 3000 bucks, then do it all over again until that business moves out and you complain about food/pharmacy deserts.     Or you can develop skills and get out of your menial job, provide people with value and help in a normal, productive, non anti-social way that doesn't make civilization suck ass to live in.

All of Nepenthe's policies and ideas are a negative sum game (I think that's the right term) where the end result is poverty and loss of resources. Everything she proposes would make everything materially worse for the people she's trying to help.

[Uncle]

I hate Larian because of the stupid physical and magic armor nonsense from DOS2 negating the fun tactics to stun lock enemies in DoS1. 

But now I love them/it. 

I hope they dont address the screeching concerns, because as history has shown, addressing nonsense issues never works out.

imagine if they did

team wide meeting, manager rolling his eyes as hard as possible: "it has been decided that due to backlash, officially no one here uses AI anymore. officially. we can't control what you do at home on your own time."

they announce this publicly to make everyone happy

no one is happy, bluesky says they still don't trust them because if you ever use it then you're willing to do it again, they are forever tainted with the stink of that decision, plus a trans person had her throbbing cock grabbed at work and then never reported it to anyone except the whole internet

studio keeps working on the game but now much slower due to lack of AI, every other studio just doesn't announce that they're doing it and runs circles around them

games come out late, missing the hype cycle, sell poorly

good job

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bloomberg-larian-using-genai-on-divinity-often-using-it-to-explore-ideas-flesh-out-powerpoints-develop-concept-art-and-write-placeholder-text.1384618/page-17#post-148996435 

As I said before, fundamentally the bedrock with which the West continues to exist upon and exert dominant economic, technological, and cultural influence is inextricably linked to Black and Indigenous colonialism. Every dollar flowing throughout its system inevitably had to come from the scores of land, wealth, and labor that was stolen and appropriated and continues to be stolen and appropriated.

It's not just NVIDIA. It's everything- the infrastructure, the banks, the schools. All of it. People either haven't come to terms with the sheer scale of fuckery against Africans and Indigenous folks that was not only necessary for The United States and Europe to establish themselves but continues to be necessary- right now- for their continued place on the world stage, or they just don't care because, hey, they and the few minorities they care about aren't the ones in the mines so why even bring it up at all?

Oh, but let me tell you how much I care about the conditions of "workers." The question always comes back to a clarifying one of specificity: Which workers do you actually care about? Can't possibly be all of them.

How could this be possible let alone inevitable?

Seriously, the only way this could possibly be true is if Black and Indigenous capital (aka land, wealth and labor) had magical properties that made it exponentially more lucrative in return than any other race's capital despite the fact that these places were less wealthy and continue to be so. Many places in Africa literally do not have functioning markets for capital, the warlords will come in and bust it up and steal everything not nailed down. Sometimes these warlords are also called the nation-state. This is why the yearly billions in foreign aid continues to not achieve anything.

You can't demonstrate this claim in any way, there's no historical examples, it's not even really a theory, it's just a racist myth she perpetuates because it makes her feel better if billions of people suck as much as she does. And that the rest of the racists on Era are complicit in because they don't interrupt the holidays to hold her accountable for saying.

and on top of all this, let's say somehow she's right about everything, here and in the past every time she's brought up this stupid fucking rhetoric

how does she expect it to bring anyone to her side?

like, none of it's true, but if it was, it makes me want to throw my hands up and say good, fuckin great, the world has become a much better place due to all this oppression so apparently it was the right decision, keep it up

there will always be things to complain about and worry about, but the standard of living is the highest it's ever been in the history of the world, for everyone, even the subjugated folx

you tell me, this is the horrible atrocity that was committed, and then I look around me and see the result, how could I not think it must've been worth it?

not walking away from this Omelas

[Potato]

I'll never cease to be amazed at the level of attention these things provoke in the gaming industry. Everyone in my circle, working in diverse fields like finance, big law, medicine, non-video game software development, consulting etc, has periods where they have to put in long hours.



I can't imagine a journalist having an audience for an article like "Clifford Chance associates required to work long hours to finish due diligence on X client" - because that's what the job is. Like, how is this newsworthy? You occasionally get some visibility into this issue at investment banks, but only insofar as some junior analysts have been overworked to a much, much different scale than what gaming journalists call "crunch" (not 60 hours)



You are free to work somewhere chill, and probably make less money or work on less important things; or chase the money or status typically found in high-workload environments. Gaming might be unique in drawing this level of attention to this issue, and I'm not sure why that is.

Better stone this one

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jason-schreier-naughty-dog-has-enacted-mandatory-overtime-for-staff-to-finish-an-internal-demo-of-their-next-game-intergalactic.1387576/page-7#post-149093005

You know, perhaps ironically, I actually have a very similar circle. Which is why I know that, just as an example, a 6th-year associate on the Cravath scale gets a total comp of $520k/year while a senior character concept artist (6-8 years experience) is listed on ND's website at a range of $143,700—$179,600. That's just one of the differences between the gaming industry and the fields you mentioned, but it's probably the biggest one.

[Boredfrom]

I hate Larian because of the stupid physical and magic armor nonsense from DOS2 negating the fun tactics to stun lock enemies in DoS1. 

But now I love them/it. 

I hope they dont address the screeching concerns, because as history has shown, addressing nonsense issues never works out.

imagine if they did

team wide meeting, manager rolling his eyes as hard as possible: "it has been decided that due to backlash, officially no one here uses AI anymore. officially. we can't control what you do at home on your own time."

they announce this publicly to make everyone happy

no one is happy, bluesky says they still don't trust them because if you ever use it then you're willing to do it again, they are forever tainted with the stink of that decision, plus a trans person had her throbbing cock grabbed at work and then never reported it to anyone except the whole internet

studio keeps working on the game but now much slower due to lack of AI, every other studio just doesn't announce that they're doing it and runs circles around them

games come out late, missing the hype cycle, sell poorly

good job

Hold on:

The use of generative AI has led to some pushback at Larian, "but I think at this point everyone at the company is more or less OK with the way we're using it," Vincke said.

[Potato]

I hate Larian because of the stupid physical and magic armor nonsense from DOS2 negating the fun tactics to stun lock enemies in DoS1. 

But now I love them/it. 

I hope they dont address the screeching concerns, because as history has shown, addressing nonsense issues never works out.

imagine if they did

team wide meeting, manager rolling his eyes as hard as possible: "it has been decided that due to backlash, officially no one here uses AI anymore. officially. we can't control what you do at home on your own time."

they announce this publicly to make everyone happy

no one is happy, bluesky says they still don't trust them because if you ever use it then you're willing to do it again, they are forever tainted with the stink of that decision, plus a trans person had her throbbing cock grabbed at work and then never reported it to anyone except the whole internet

studio keeps working on the game but now much slower due to lack of AI, every other studio just doesn't announce that they're doing it and runs circles around them

games come out late, missing the hype cycle, sell poorly

good job

Workers forced to crunch for 23 hours a day with no meal breaks to ship the game 3 years late. Game needs to sell 45 million copies just to break even.

[Boredfrom]

That doesn’t sound like a studio being in love with AI and more like a CEO throwing his hands and saying:

“Well, I tried.”  

Of course, you could argue the benefits of AI are going to be apparent years later. Is just funny to me the enthusiasm of devs “is okay, I guess”.

[Greatness Gone]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jason-schreier-naughty-dog-has-enacted-mandatory-overtime-for-staff-to-finish-an-internal-demo-of-their-next-game-intergalactic.1387576/page-8

"Everyone has to crunch because we need to make sure Space Palestine gets exploded extra good" - Druckmann, probably

Fuck that POS for forcing his workers to work extra at any time, but especially around the holidays.

Totally normal vidya game forum.

[Greatness Gone]

I hate Larian because of the stupid physical and magic armor nonsense from DOS2 negating the fun tactics to stun lock enemies in DoS1. 

But now I love them/it. 

I hope they dont address the screeching concerns, because as history has shown, addressing nonsense issues never works out.

Based DoS1 enjoyer. But ultimately, 2 is better because of Fane/Lohse/Red Prince.

On the bright side, they can't get away with the shit phys/mag armor system now that they have a huge audience. It will def be reworked to be more like 1 I think.

[Boredfrom]

User threadbanned: Attempted derail

Trash company policy by a zionist loser, Druckmann needs gone yesterday

Fucking piece of shit forum.  

By the logic of that Steam thread… Resetera is okay with antisemitism.

[Geoff Marvel]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/just-found-out-overwolf-funds-genocide.1387774/

[Uncle]

most of the era freakouts of the past few weeks seem like they all just forgot the idea that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism

of course buying a larian game ultimately supplied funding to a studio that allowed a marginalized individual to be harassed, duh

of course epic doesn't mind giving some proportion of money to a trans genocider, obviously, you fucking moron

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/just-found-out-overwolf-funds-genocide.1387774/

Excellent OP.

“A friend told me they donate to Zionists…”  

The OP needed to be rescued by others from the wokie squad.

Just the best people.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/just-found-out-overwolf-funds-genocide.1387774/

Never heard of Overwolf, but looking at the Wikipedia article:

Overwolf was founded in 2010 by Uri Marchand, Gil Or, Alon Rabinowitz and Nir Finkelstein with a cash seed investment from Joseph (Yossi) Vardi.

Vardi's Wikipedia article shows that he's an Israeli entrepreneur and investor. And "In 2025, President Isaac Herzog's office named Vardi among the nine recipients of the Presidential Medal of Honour." So yeah...

Not to mention all those Zionisty names like Rabinowitz and Finkelstein!

yesterday I was informed by a friend that they actively donate to the IDF, the Israeli military force directly involved in the atrocities found in Gaza.

Overwolf is an Israeli software

Headquarters Tel Aviv, Israel

Gee, you think the IDF service all Israelis are forced to serve might explain their choices of donations?

[Besticus Maximus]

Do you have to pay for third party mod launchers? I ensure I ethically use mods by doing nintendo