Star Trek thread of going to familiar places and beyond

[Uncle]

this is dogshit

the acting is terrible, can't understand half of what the mushmouthed captain says?

[HaughtyFrank]

What I don't really understand about nu-trek is why they lean super into diverse casting and "wholesome" characters but then at the same time imitate the darker and gritty JJ Abrams aesthetic.

Feels like it would satisfy neither target audience

[benji]

I honestly don't think the Abrams-NuTrek stuff looks more futuristic than the VOY bridge looks. Just take that and make it more streamlined ala Apple. Plus the panels and lights all over the place are serious hazards considering how everything on the bridge blows up and people are thrown around all the time.

One other thing to consider is how it's now archaic for there to be different stations on the bridge versus say Harry Kim logging in to the station and now it's ops and the screens configured in the way he wants. TNG and the other series already had hints towards this because the captain and first officer had access to every station from their seats. Enterprise even did episodes where they turned other locations on the ship into the bridge. The main characters could be in the same locations anyway since it's just where they like to sit. One of the funnier conceits of Trek is that the helm is driving by looking through the viewscreen even though the series have all made clear this isn't the case.

[HaughtyFrank]

[benji]

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[HaughtyFrank]

[Kazuma_Kiryu]

Any thoughts on Starfleet Academy? Going in I expected it to be Riverdale with Star Trek and I was pretty close. Not as extreme as Riverdale, but definitely that young adult edgy vibe. Anyway I think it's passable, but it's still modern Trek, tons of action, quips, and easter eggs. It does have it's slow moments though. If you don't like Discovery or SNW, then you'll probably not like this. I just really hate how modern Trek looks, especially this one. Like why is every thing yellow? 

Just some character thoughts, no plot spoilers.

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Anyway it was nice seeing Joe again, definitely one of the highlights of the show even though he didn't have that many scenes. Darem just looks like Wesley Crusher if stopped studying all the time and worked on his gains. I liked the first officer. I thought she was going to be lame, but I liked how she put Caleb in his place. I thought Sam was an autistic character at first and I kind of groaned, but they're just a preppy hologram....ok? I don't see that character getting much development, but we'll see. The captain/chancellor is a Lanthanite, so that's why she's weird. I guess that entire species acts like they're on LSD all the time. Caleb is just the smart, lovable asshole who'll probably start resonating with Starfleet's ideals later on, so he's fine. I just think Caleb's backstory is dumb. He could have spent 15 years with a nice foster family and still would have seen his mom. Unless I'm misremembering, she had visitation rights.

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[HaughtyFrank]

First episode is free on youtube for anyone curious. (you'll need a vpn if you're from europe though)

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[HaughtyFrank]

Introducing a fat character like this is insane 

[Alpacx]

Star Trek’s New Show Is Directly Inspired By Harry Potter & X-Men, Says EPs

Why couldn't your Star Trek show be directly inspired by Star Trek?

I'm guessing the show has a Jem'Hadar refugee character because It's 2015 2026?

[Uncle]

First episode is free on youtube for anyone curious. (you'll need a vpn if you're from europe though)

[benji]

I'm guessing the show has a Jem'Hadar refugee character because It's 2015 2026?

The genetically engineered soldier addicts who rarely live past 15? 

"My father taught me that victory is life. My mother, that today is a good day to die."
– Lura Thok, 3195 ("Beta Test")
Lieutenant Commander Lura Thok was a Jem'Hadar-Klingon hybrid, who served as the first officer of the USS Athena and Cadet Master at Starfleet Academy. (SA: "Kids These Days")

Would they even have reproductive systems?

Kind of problematic if the Federation kept producing them after the Dominion collapsed. 

[Kazuma_Kiryu]

Introducing a fat character like this is insane 

Yeah I don't know what they were thinking. Star Trek has always had weird or eccentric characters, but not completely dumb ones.

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[benji]

I'd take it as a bit of idiom instead of evidence that dollars are still in use in the Federation a thousand years from now.

Arguably the DS9 bit is stupider, the universal translator should have made clear it was currency and Quark himself should have been able to understand that just from the discussion.

Further, Starfleet Academy is set after The Burn and despite Discovery being as stupid as the rest, there's no way the Federation of that universe should be able to continue to be a scarcity free economy. And Earth wasn't part of the Federation in Discovery at first so there's no way they're already scarcity free again even if the Federation was.

Roddenberry was an idiot and should be ignored about this anyway because he never depicted the Federation as scarcity free either. That pretty much all looks like Federation propaganda in retrospect, military officials who want for nothing condemning everyone else because they don't have the economic resources of Starfleet. DS9 almost gets to admitting this. Voyager should be considered an admission of it even with their remarkable ability to create torpedoes and shuttles out of nothing.

[HaughtyFrank]

I kind of assume that whenever there's some contradiction to previous shows, like mentioning dollars or female Jem Hadar the answer is going to be "the burn"

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Burn

[benji]

Discovery barely even did anything with The Burn, they even had it a century earlier so they could pick and choose what it changed (mostly nothing) rather than actually have to deal with something of that level. OG Trek did far more with the warp speed limit discovered during TNG.

[Kazuma_Kiryu]

I'd take it as a bit of idiom instead of evidence that dollars are still in use in the Federation a thousand years from now.

Arguably the DS9 bit is stupider, the universal translator should have made clear it was currency and Quark himself should have been able to understand that just from the discussion.

Further, Starfleet Academy is set after The Burn and despite Discovery being as stupid as the rest, there's no way the Federation of that universe should be able to continue to be a scarcity free economy. And Earth wasn't part of the Federation in Discovery at first so there's no way they're already scarcity free again even if the Federation was.

Roddenberry was an idiot and should be ignored about this anyway because he never depicted the Federation as scarcity free either. That pretty much all looks like Federation propaganda in retrospect, military officials who want for nothing condemning everyone else because they don't have the economic resources of Starfleet. DS9 almost gets to admitting this. Voyager should be considered an admission of it even with their remarkable ability to create torpedoes and shuttles out of nothing.

Yeah, I agree about the idiom, though old Trek would had the alien confused and ask "what's a dollar?" and the officer would explain "it's an old Earth currency".

[HaughtyFrank]

[Uncle]

I still think writers should pay attention and not accidentally be anachronistic

if TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT all avoided ever saying "dollar" then the modern show should do the same, and it's really not hard to work around it

it's like any other media that randomly has some fantasy or sci fi race say "what the devil" and then that spawns dozens of fanboy threads going "SEE THEY BELIEVE IN DEVILS SO THAT IMPLIES THEY ARE RELIGIOUS," it's embarrassing, don't do it

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