Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Uncle]

So many American TV shows have bits about parallel parking because it's like the one potentially complex part of the tests and the one thing a "normal" character could plausibly fail.

in my test the instructor didn't see any suitable situations along the roads so he had me do it next to single car, just getting beside it and reversing until I was behind it, with nothing to hit behind it, making it trivial

[killamajig]

Dr Poop getting his poop shoved back in. 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/signs-that-the-ai-bubble-is-popping.1276671/page-58#post-150174235

Gen/AI scientist and here and GenAI "power hobbyist/user" for my everyday productivity and accessibility for my disability: it's not popping, except for the perception by people that don't understand AI or where it's going.

Went to my former boss (Nobel Laureate in computer science and biology) and his distinguished lecture this week and it was astoundingly eye-opening. Generative AI has cured medicine and the limits of computing in a way quantum computing is currently limited. Not enough time to explain all of it, but this board always has the wrong perception of AI and I'm too tired as an expert to stand against the wave of layman's takes. I'm just focused on me and my needs in my business at the moment and I don't really invest what anyone but my colleagues opinions are about it anyway.

…huh?

Messy takes a shot too

I love that you're committing to the condescending expert bit and doubling down since last time. Makes for more entertainment here

Nothing says I don't care about anyone's opinions than barging in and telling everyone you don't care.

There's more

Saw the smug appeals to your own authority and knew immediately who posted this.

Dr Poop responded..

I mean, I'm just stating my take like everyone else as unappealing as it is.

One example from the distinguished lecture I attended is protein computing, the chips of the future—but actually already proven and done in the academic realm *right now*— using Generative AI diffusion models like what do denoising of images to design protein lattices angstroms/nanometers in size that can take thousands of different conformational states in 3D matrices of protein crystals that require zero energy input and don't need to be cryogenically frozen like the COVID-19 first vaccines or quantum computing, and instead of binary zeros and ones or simply quantum computing, GenAI allows producing protein crystal computers that are not limited by current silicon. It's already been proven in the lab and there's papers out there. Regulatory and industry and geopolitical affairs hamper the rollout of this tech by 10-20 years and then the general public might have access to it in 5-10 years after that timeframe on a widespread scale. Again, not enough time to deluge everybody with every advancement GenAI has done to change the future of computing and medicine, but if you didn't understand a word I posted, then please realize there's a difference in between what you and I know about the potential of AI or GenAI. And considering I have a dual PhD in Bioengineering and Data Science from a top 10 program, one of the most viral doctoral dissertations ever published in science, and I worked alongside 2 Nobel Laureates, I'm not just shitting a brick from a tall height. I'm telling you the truth. To you it may seem like an "appeal to authority," to me it's just my reality, and every time I share anything about what I know or do it's just met with hostility to "smugness" like as if I devote time to thinking about being better morally or humanly to any one person. I don't. I just know some things this board doesn't seem to like or know and there's hostility toward it every time, whether I'm in the thread or not.

[Boredfrom]

Went to my former boss (Nobel Laureate in computer science and biology) and his distinguished lecture this week and it was astoundingly eye-opening.

It is the same guy that you said hated his guts?

[Propagandhim]

my colleagues

Just stop 

  And considering I have a dual PhD in Bioengineering and Data Science from a top 10 program, one of the most viral doctoral dissertations ever published in science, and I worked alongside 2 Nobel Laureates, I'm not just shitting a brick from a tall height. I'm telling you the truth. To you it may seem like an "appeal to authority," to me it's just my reality, and every time I share anything about what I know or do it's just met with hostility to "smugness" like as if I devote time to thinking about being better morally or humanly to any one person. I don't. I just know some things this board doesn't seem to like or know and there's hostility toward it every time, whether I'm in the thread or not.

You don't know how to get a job with an undergrad engineering degree and a grad degree in the sciences.  You don't know how to set portions to feed yourself without wasting away.  You don't know how to budget money like 99% of adults.  You are an authority in being totally useless.  


The rest of the post he posts a nonsequitor and namedrops his non-useless mentors from years ago for absolutely no other reason than to express how important and valuable he is by the transitive property of absorbing other peoples' achievements.

[Propagandhim]

Whatever. Nobody here personally knows me and I'm currently in between jobs and am disabled but have founded my own company with some people that know me so it's their perception that matters to me, not the glimpses between people online. If I sound a certain way I apologize, I'm neurodivergent and my tone in writing can be cold and neutral, possibly due to that, possibly due to my training as a scientist.

Feel free to YouTube Su-In Lee or David Baker's and Leroy Hood's YouTube lectures for some inspiration on the future of computer science and medicine (already here) if you want more info, there's a lot there.

I'm not disputing GenAI has huge issues at the scale it's rolled out by corporations. It's just not a bubble that's popping away, it's being used in many fashions from disability accessibility to science in a way that's positive and impactful for society. The lecture I went to even mentioned David's work with the NSC on the safety of this AI tech and his comments were reassuring and hopeful for me (e.g. talked about the risk of novel superviruses being developed using this tech, and the general consensus was for several reasons that it's not something likely to be a terrible risk because the Spanish Flu is a good example of the most dangerous virus ever exposed to mankind and there was dispute over whether to report its genome online, but we have now, and it's used for positive reasons In research. Ultimately, if you encrypt and connect every protein computer to a database that's always updated and connected, logged, and accountable, then there's low risk for bad actors to misuse this tech. That's one such short explanation).

A guy in a million dollars of debt is a partner in a company.  I wonder how this will go.  Also, how can you be too disabled to apply for jobs - even ones you may think you're overqualified for, but not disabled enough to run a startup?

[Boredfrom]

If I sound a certain way I apologize, I'm neurodivergent and my tone in writing can be cold and neutral, possibly due to that, possibly due to my training as a scientist.

Fucking BS. 

“Hey guys, if I sound retarded, is my autism.”

[TylenolJones]

Boy the GOTY isn’t going well this year. They already had to extend it by a week since participation is way down. 

2024 thread total posts: 1220
2025 thread total posts to 1/15 (usual deadline): 811
2025 thread total posts till now: 870

Not what MOBA wants to see from their only active website.

[Averon]

ERA is usually kind to its idiots, but Dr. Nothing is such an annoying cunt that even ERA can't stand him. What makes it extra annoying is how he waves around his--alleged--credentials (PhD!! Nobel Laureate!!!) as a crutch and being arrogant about it. And this is despite the fact how he claims to be in deep debt and will seemingly starve if his SNAP benefits are cut.

He's like a raggedly, homeless bum on the street yelling at people about how smart he is.

[Jansen]

Starts here 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/signs-that-the-ai-bubble-is-popping.1276671/page-58#post-150174235

Gen/AI scientist and here and GenAI "power hobbyist/user" for my everyday productivity and accessibility for my disability: it's not popping, except for the perception by people that don't understand AI or where it's going.



Went to my former boss (Nobel Laureate in computer science and biology) and his distinguished lecture this week and it was astoundingly eye-opening. Generative AI has cured medicine and the limits of computing in a way quantum computing is currently limited. Not enough time to explain all of it, but this board always has the wrong perception of AI and I'm too tired as an expert to stand against the wave of layman's takes. I'm just focused on me and my needs in my business at the moment and I don't really invest what anyone but my colleagues opinions are about it anyway.

I mean, I'm just stating my take like everyone else as unappealing as it is.



One example from the distinguished lecture I attended is protein computing, the chips of the future—but actually already proven and done in the academic realm *right now*— using Generative AI diffusion models like what do denoising of images to design protein lattices angstroms/nanometers in size that can take thousands of different conformational states in 3D matrices of protein crystals that require zero energy input and don't need to be cryogenically frozen like the COVID-19 first vaccines or quantum computing, and instead of binary zeros and ones or simply quantum computing, GenAI allows producing protein crystal computers that are not limited by current silicon. It's already been proven in the lab and there's papers out there. Regulatory and industry and geopolitical affairs hamper the rollout of this tech by 10-20 years and then the general public might have access to it in 5-10 years after that timeframe on a widespread scale. Again, not enough time to deluge everybody with every advancement GenAI has done to change the future of computing and medicine, but if you didn't understand a word I posted, then please realize there's a difference in between what you and I know about the potential of AI or GenAI. And considering I have a dual PhD in Bioengineering and Data Science from a top 10 program, one of the most viral doctoral dissertations ever published in science, and I worked alongside 2 Nobel Laureates, I'm not just shitting a brick from a tall height. I'm telling you the truth. To you it may seem like an "appeal to authority," to me it's just my reality, and every time I share anything about what I know or do it's just met with hostility to "smugness" like as if I devote time to thinking about being better morally or humanly to any one person. I don't. I just know some things this board doesn't seem to like or know and there's hostility toward it every time, whether I'm in the thread or not.



One of my former bosses (Nobel Laureate) who lectured on this:

https://www.ipd.uw.edu/david-baker/



One of my former mentors and teachers at my PhD who is an expert in responsible, predictable AI and GenAI:

https://aims.cs.washington.edu/su-in-lee

Just explained in my previous post a little tidbit of what I do and work on. So, not trying to be an asshole, and genuinely sorry if I sound like one, this is just my ordinary bread and butter kind of skillset and people are hostile toward any AI/GenAI anything here because of its misuse by corporations on art and copyrighted works and other issues with regards to geopolitics and ethics in AI, which is too big a problem for me to solve on my own or represent to this forum on a full basis. I do my best but ultimately it always gets attacked so like I said in my previous posts, you guys invite an echo chamber by vehemently opposing when experts chime in. I'm not glued to my iPad to write forum posts all day, so it's not me trying to disinvite any takes or whatever. I'm just posting whatever the energy I have left from my daily problems and life and disability to make a take on this forum and it's often met with hostility so if you don't like what I have to say just ignore it, I'll phantom fade from this thread anyway soon or likely get banned anyway. Sorry for any misconceptions, I learned from my last thread to try to not sound as "smug" as some would say, it wasn't my intention. I just genuinely don't have the strength time or effort ability to explain everything I've learned in 15 years as a scientist on a gaming board at full spectrum and breadth and depth at all times. I'm not paid to do it and I have a very difficult, complicated personal life that saps my energy. Hope that helps explain some context.

Whatever. Nobody here personally knows me and I'm currently in between jobs and am disabled but have founded my own company with some people that know me so it's their perception that matters to me, not the glimpses between people online. If I sound a certain way I apologize, I'm neurodivergent and my tone in writing can be cold and neutral, possibly due to that, possibly due to my training as a scientist.



Feel free to YouTube Su-In Lee or David Baker's and Leroy Hood's YouTube lectures for some inspiration on the future of computer science and medicine (already here) if you want more info, there's a lot there.



I'm not disputing GenAI has huge issues at the scale it's rolled out by corporations. It's just not a bubble that's popping away, it's being used in many fashions from disability accessibility to science in a way that's positive and impactful for society. The lecture I went to even mentioned David's work with the NSC on the safety of this AI tech and his comments were reassuring and hopeful for me (e.g. talked about the risk of novel superviruses being developed using this tech, and the general consensus was for several reasons that it's not something likely to be a terrible risk because the Spanish Flu is a good example of the most dangerous virus ever exposed to mankind and there was dispute over whether to report its genome online, but we have now, and it's used for positive reasons In research. Ultimately, if you encrypt and connect every protein computer to a database that's always updated and connected, logged, and accountable, then there's low risk for bad actors to misuse this tech. That's one such short explanation).

Protein Generative AI actually allows the design of synthetic de novo proteins that eat polymers/plastics, waste, pollutants, and other things with low-to-zero energy input that are highly specific with no off-effects and that don't require expensive chemical engineering to clean or go green, and it's already been done and founders/companies are just now starting to understand the potential to invest. It's slow but there's a lot to discuss about it. I'm trying to do more expounding, but if I'm just going to be met with hostility any time I try to share anything about myself, why should I?

Then here's a good paper to check out if you're interested on protein de novo design and protein computing potential including for the green world economy by the design of novel enzyme catalysts. I think it's this paper:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452223625000148



And read more examples and papers published here:

https://www.ipd.uw.edu/research/



The latest RFDiffusion model and RosettaFold3 are good to look into for potential uses of GenAI for science, btw.

This is a non-malicious but good example of a misconception: almost all state-of-the-art medicine design and computer design is using or going to be using GenAI models which are the most advanced technologies we have coming from the evolution of CNNs (convolutional neural networks) and deep learning frameworks of the last 5-15 years.

Yes there's a huge distinction between what people all mean when they say GenAI. I'm here to define it from the neutral science technology's label and I'm not here to rescue it from the connotations it has in other bad actor associations or applications. It is not perfect, it is risky because it's high stakes, but it has massive potential for good just like there's risk for it being used badly by corporations. Which it is. I'm not disputing that. But some of the uses of Gemini, for example, have been transformative for people starting businesses, those with disabilities and productivity/focus disorders like ADHD, and using live translation to overcome language barriers and learn people's likes and interests to better tailor content and tools for them. Just some examples and ideas. I'm not the police for GenAI label usage, but just trying to present ONE take and viewpoint with my own background on how it can be used for good ideas. While also acknowledging its risks and drawbacks in society as a whole.

I totally get you/that and agree with you on that. The company PR, media, press, and overall social and geopolitical climate have bred a hotbed of bad faith actors and irresponsible AI and ignorant or benevolently ignorant takes on AI/GenAI. Can't cure that in one thread or one day but there are good leaders I know in the realm that are trying their best to push and influence national and international policy to guardrail against bad outcomes. We'll see what turns out and hopefully things don't go full dystopian hell, but given Trump is in power, I just don't know what to say or do about it anymore, other than keep my head focused on the good applications I know how to use to benefit people and myself in some way.

Well it does require huge computing power to solve some of the biggest protein problem designs currently, but not relative to the immense potential of its outcomes, the problem is that scientists/researchers are competing with NVIDIA and everybody else for the limited resources of RAM/silicon/chips right now in the geopolitical landscape, and the researchers are definitely last in line to get access to it when Amazon and Google are buying swaths of square mileage and energy resources to fuel their own corporate gains instead. That's definitely a huge problem.

And if that's truly the distinction of semantics we're parsing, then I think we agree on more things than we disagree on, and I'm open to that. I want people to understand that even the scientists harnessing or developing this tech agree with the public that AI responsibility is the top priority but it's not being made the top priority in reality or the general public usage of corporate products and info mining of people's private and copyrighted data. That's we can all agree on!

It's a bold statement but David shared how his GenAI de novo proteins have developed a new treatment for previously incurable pancreatic cancer because of its ability to highly specifically bind to the cells triggering a highly specific immune response with limited-to-zero off effects because GenAI can almost perfectly design a de novo protein for a medical application in a way no medicine has been done before with traditional small peptide or protein-based medicines and vaccines of the past cultured from bacteria. So, immunotherapies and cancer solutions have just been opened by a humongous door thanks to GenAI usage by protein scientists like Prof David Baker. GenAI and CNNs/DL now allows anesthesiologists to predict a heart attack or anesthesia anomaly or mortality more than 30 minutes sooner than a real anesthesiologist can predict it based off of biometric data that it learns from (source being Su-In Lee's lab's work), and fusing this with real medical doctor personnel in tandem can lead to the safest surgeries we've ever been able to perform.

Read my other posts please, if you haven't, as I've expounded in more detail and apologized for my tone. There's a lot to say and sorry that I didn't write a larger explanation in my original first post here, but my intent is good-natured and willing to explore, I just don't want to be met with hostility if possible and I don't want my accomplishments shat on when I'm just trying to explain *why* and *where* I know some things, and I've given several examples, links, and even a paper and sources to more papers across my posts in this thread. I'm not yours or anyone's enemy here. I hope people see that. Please have patience with my tone as I'm neurodivergent and sometimes oblivious to predict how other's might see what I'm trying to express with my expression limitations.

Because I explained in previous posts that it's GENERATIVE AI specifically that is being used in the *now* (2023-2026) stages of academia in state-of-the-art computing and medicine for all sorts of green and medical (and I didn't even mention, but even food supply bioengineering/ world hunger applications), not just DL/CNNs (from which GenAI emerged from) of 5-10 years ago. I'm talking about GenAI in protein computing and design of the now/future, not just rudimentary DL/CNNs of the last 5-10 years.



Also as I just said, please have patience with me and my tone if possible. I'm genuinely not trying to come off as an asshole and I struggle with my communication on this forum at times possibly due to my neurodivergence.

Understood and thank you for the feedback. I genuinely wasn't trying to be smug, I was trying to evidence or back up that I'm not just talking out my ass about everything besides gaming. I was trying to reassure people that cool stuff is happening out there by the "gods that walk among us" scientists and policy researchers. They're just hampered deeply by societal limitations and consumer hunger/corporate greed for irresponsible AI competing for the same attention and resources and public sentiment, if that makes sense. Hopefully I've given some interesting examples of how my field can help benefit society as a whole, but not to worry if people disagree. Sorry for tone issues given my early morning mood and/or instincts in what to type first as I emerge into an AI thread. Sincerely, sorry.

I didn't just throw a stone and skitter away, I spread amongst various posts example of mostly my mentor's work (I can't safely out myself on such a prevalent forum of my specific work, so I've just sourced my mentors' works as examples). I just am physically literally having to attend to some matters over the next few hours so please excuse me as I try to do that and hopefully come back with better ideas or dialogue later.

Also one last thing before I go for a bit, someone mentioned *how specifically* is GenAI being employed in this field/my field/science that is not just conventional AI methods of the last 5-15 years for solving these major societal problems I mentioned in medicine and computation and green/sustainability initiatives?



To respond to that, the paper I linked is what I'm just going to quote for now, which talks about de novo enzyme catalysts for new green applications that are transformative, using GenAI. So not just AlphaFold, which RFDiffusion2 and RosettaFold3 actually outperform, even now today, but there's this:









- source Wu et al.



https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452223625000148

Legitimately don't understand what you're trying to say, pardon 
my ignorance and/or neurodivergent obliviousness if that's the case. But yes I'll try to take what I learned from feedback here into future interactions, if I'm given the chance to.

[simiansmarts]

Dr. Poops Loud gotta be trolling at this point

[BIONIC]

It takes a very distinguished fellow to attend distinguished lectures filled distinguished colleagues.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Jeff Marvel is still at it and this time ComedianSmasher is backing him up
https://www.resetera.com/threads/man-sam-raimis-spiderman-2-aged-like-the-finest-of-wines.1407589/page-9#post-150179470
John Frost

I needed a good laugh too, holy shit.

Jeff Marvel

Facts are facts. Sorry!

[benji]

Did society begin to collapse when these absolute fucking cunts made it their life’s mission to pretend the worst Star Wars film ever made (and maybe the worst film full stop) was actually amazing

Nah, it started with Ghostbusters 2016. Hell, maybe started when the MCU got big enough that you not being into it (or worse, liking DC heroes more) was sacrilegious.

Gamergate started Nazism. The Obama FBI refused to round them up despite Brianna Wu's orders.

Dr Poop responded..

using Generative AI diffusion models like what do denoising of images to design protein lattices angstroms/nanometers in size that can take thousands of different conformational states in 3D matrices of protein crystals that require zero energy input and don't need to be cryogenically frozen like the COVID-19 first vaccines or quantum computing, and instead of binary zeros and ones or simply quantum computing, GenAI allows producing protein crystal computers that are not limited by current silicon.

 

onsidering I have a dual PhD in Bioengineering and Data Science from a top 10 program, one of the most viral doctoral dissertations ever published in science,

(I can't safely out myself on such a prevalent forum of my specific work, so I've just sourced my mentors' works as examples)

Yeah, could you imagine the danger if one of the most famous scientists in world history posted enough details for some fascist 4chan/reddit user to find out who he is?

[simiansmarts]

Jeff Marvel is still at it and this time ComedianSmasher is backing him up
https://www.resetera.com/threads/man-sam-raimis-spiderman-2-aged-like-the-finest-of-wines.1407589/page-9#post-150179470
John Frost

I needed a good laugh too, holy shit.

Jeff Marvel

Facts are facts. Sorry!

I'm surprised PlanetSmasher didn't sneak in a totally legit personal story about how he auditioned for the role of Harry Osborne and came very close before James Franco entered the picture

[Switters]

Everytime Nothing Loud posts an angel gets a PhD and a very expensive cable to an unknown device.

[benji]

Please have patience with my tone as I'm neurodivergent and sometimes oblivious to predict how other's might see what I'm trying to express with my expression limitations.

Also as I just said, please have patience with me and my tone if possible. I'm genuinely not trying to come off as an asshole and I struggle with my communication on this forum at times possibly due to my neurodivergence.

Man pretty much literally posted:

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/signs-that-the-ai-bubble-is-popping.1276671/page-60#post-150179068

I think there's a tendency where highly specialized careers and information domains can get locked into an exclusive mindset of whatever happens to be the most advanced and complex thing on the cutting edge that's being pushed forward. Which is understandable because they are inordinately difficult problems that seem physically insurmountable, but with rigid and objective parameters for success and progress. Like any good puzzle, there is an immense feeling of achievement, pleasure, and satisfaction that comes from solving them, multiplied exponentially by the communal and industrial cultures in which they exist.



But when it comes to holistic evaluation and systemic appraisal of results, this philosophy misses the forest for the trees, to put it mildly. These 'big' problems merely need a solution, and execution will automatically follow. They're sexy, and everyone claps, but nothing fundamentally changes. Meanwhile the 'small' problems which actually dominate society and culture, whose solutions have long been known but whose execution has always been stymied? Those are the issues no one likes to talk about even when they are going to literally counteract the effectuation of progress in these other forms.



Cures for rare forms of cancer are scientific achievements of craft and will be applauded. But that kind of research and development is divorced from the realities of how the simple and boring mechanics of daily life intertwines with long-term health outcomes. Developing a cure for cancer is actually an easier challenge than building up a society focused on preventative medicine, despite the latter being pre-solved. A pure focus on progress is similarly blind to the multiple crises threatening the foundations of global health, medical systems, and society at large; we mistake mere survival with living well.



We are destroying trust in public health, scientific consensus, and expertise, with AI serving as a force multiplier rotting the foundations. We are literally watching the return of diseases we already cured because of the very same factors and developments that we laud for progress. Are we to laugh or cry imagining a world where the reduction of cancer mortality is inversely correlated with mortality of (previously prevented) communicable disease? Or that cancer rates themselves are rising and that all the technology in the world has just been moving the needle ever further in the wrong direction.



The healthcare system itself teeters on both financial and operational collapse, providers have never been more over-worked and mentally stressed, and yet does anyone feel celebratory over the possibility of million dollar gene therapies that will bankrupt all but the one percent? That we might one day live in a world where a family might have the freedom to choose between saving the life of a child and permanent financial destitution? Or that this family might never seek treatment in the first place because they've been inoculated to distrust doctors and medicine writ large.



Nothing exists independently on an island, the same forces driving companies and capital to self-sabotage healthcare (or any other industry) at the altar of profit are the same mechanics that doom the supposed pearls of AI when weighed against the magnitude of its self-devouring swarm. The best that the lords of AI can muster as an argument for something as "simple" as the obesity epidemic has been to repackage a worse version of the same bullet point pamphlets about exercise and diet every patient receives at their annual physical (see ChatGPT ads on Pullups/Running). Except they've wrapped it up in spiffy ad campaign in an effort to convince the public to ignore their eyes and ears and believe the service offers any kind of new, let alone revolutionary, and meaningful use case to the problems in their lives. We have wasted trillions of dollars to re-solve questions with incorrect answers rather than simply invest in improving the material conditions of our population that cause these infrastructural problems in the first place.



Few would have guessed that technology itself would be the driving force behind the resurrection of a demon-haunted world, or that we would be hell-bent on manifesting the demons too.

              Is this
                 AI?

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/signs-that-the-ai-bubble-is-popping.1276671/page-60#post-150179068

I think there's a tendency where highly specialized careers and information domains can get locked into an exclusive mindset of whatever happens to be the most advanced and complex thing on the cutting edge that's being pushed forward. Which is understandable because they are inordinately difficult problems that seem physically insurmountable, but with rigid and objective parameters for success and progress. Like any good puzzle, there is an immense feeling of achievement, pleasure, and satisfaction that comes from solving them, multiplied exponentially by the communal and industrial cultures in which they exist.



But when it comes to holistic evaluation and systemic appraisal of results, this philosophy misses the forest for the trees, to put it mildly. These 'big' problems merely need a solution, and execution will automatically follow. They're sexy, and everyone claps, but nothing fundamentally changes. Meanwhile the 'small' problems which actually dominate society and culture, whose solutions have long been known but whose execution has always been stymied? Those are the issues no one likes to talk about even when they are going to literally counteract the effectuation of progress in these other forms.



Cures for rare forms of cancer are scientific achievements of craft and will be applauded. But that kind of research and development is divorced from the realities of how the simple and boring mechanics of daily life intertwines with long-term health outcomes. Developing a cure for cancer is actually an easier challenge than building up a society focused on preventative medicine, despite the latter being pre-solved. A pure focus on progress is similarly blind to the multiple crises threatening the foundations of global health, medical systems, and society at large; we mistake mere survival with living well.



We are destroying trust in public health, scientific consensus, and expertise, with AI serving as a force multiplier rotting the foundations. We are literally watching the return of diseases we already cured because of the very same factors and developments that we laud for progress. Are we to laugh or cry imagining a world where the reduction of cancer mortality is inversely correlated with mortality of (previously prevented) communicable disease? Or that cancer rates themselves are rising and that all the technology in the world has just been moving the needle ever further in the wrong direction.



The healthcare system itself teeters on both financial and operational collapse, providers have never been more over-worked and mentally stressed, and yet does anyone feel celebratory over the possibility of million dollar gene therapies that will bankrupt all but the one percent? That we might one day live in a world where a family might have the freedom to choose between saving the life of a child and permanent financial destitution? Or that this family might never seek treatment in the first place because they've been inoculated to distrust doctors and medicine writ large.



Nothing exists independently on an island, the same forces driving companies and capital to self-sabotage healthcare (or any other industry) at the altar of profit are the same mechanics that doom the supposed pearls of AI when weighed against the magnitude of its self-devouring swarm. The best that the lords of AI can muster as an argument for something as "simple" as the obesity epidemic has been to repackage a worse version of the same bullet point pamphlets about exercise and diet every patient receives at their annual physical (see ChatGPT ads on Pullups/Running). Except they've wrapped it up in spiffy ad campaign in an effort to convince the public to ignore their eyes and ears and believe the service offers any kind of new, let alone revolutionary, and meaningful use case to the problems in their lives. We have wasted trillions of dollars to re-solve questions with incorrect answers rather than simply invest in improving the material conditions of our population that cause these infrastructural problems in the first place.



Few would have guessed that technology itself would be the driving force behind the resurrection of a demon-haunted world, or that we would be hell-bent on manifesting the demons too.

              Is this
                 AI?

I remember this guy. He wrote a psychotic spiel about how swimsuit costumes in Street Fighter would make young girls feel inadequate and activate young boys into evil incels who would kill the previously mentioned girls 
https://thebire.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=378&pid=141370#pid141370

[Uncle]

I like how they have this big THE AI BUBBLE IS POPPING!! thread and it's just a constant circus of people mad that AI continues to be adopted more and more

[Boredfrom]

I like how they have this big THE AI BUBBLE IS POPPING!! thread and it's just a constant circus of people mad that AI continues to be adopted more and more

While no one makes profit and some CEO saying “dunno what to do with this”.

Come on dude, let’s not regress at least in that notion.

[Boredfrom]

Uncle, WTF with this shit?:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/youtube-removes-the-ability-to-upload-srv3-custom-subtitles.1407769/

Apparently they have started removing captioning from existing uploads now. Videos with millions of views suddenly have no subtiltes.

Mass adoption because you force it to others? Come the fuck off.

[Uncle]

I like how they have this big THE AI BUBBLE IS POPPING!! thread and it's just a constant circus of people mad that AI continues to be adopted more and more

While no one makes profit and some CEO saying “dunno what to do with this”.

Come on dude, let’s not regress at least in that notion.

you genuinely have your head in the sand if you don't think millions of people benefit from it daily

chatgpt has been #1 in all app stores for like a year straight, people aren't downloading it for no reason and then never using it

and benefiting from it even a little is the same as profit, time saved, more time for leisure, etc

what do you care about a big business profiting anyway? what bottom line "profit" was immediately realized the moment computers started being adopted in business? it takes a while for the changes to become evident and to be able to estimate that value

again, it's already being used in every industry from top to bottom, turns out it helps individuals in a lot of ways more than overhauling business itself

even something as small as having AI draft a polite email for you when you want to chew them out for being a moron is "profit" when you save time writing it and get to keep your job

[Straight Edge]

Does Boredfrom get an alert when Uncle posts?

[Boredfrom]

Does Boredfrom get an alert when Uncle posts?

No really. I just get annoyed that Uncle insists adoption goes well when stuff like YouTube forcing you to use shitty subtitles even if they need to delete it in past videos. 

He is even repeating some Dr Poop talking points. (Obviously, NothingLoud is not totally wrong with of this stuff, he is just a prick than cannot express it).

[Boredfrom]

what do you care about a big business profiting anyway?

Those data centers are not build for free.

what bottom line "profit" was immediately realized the moment computers started being adopted in business? it takes a while for the changes to become evident and to be able to estimate that value

I agree… that’s why everyone is warning that there is a bubble and when stuff stabilizes is going to hurt a lot for many companies invested on it… some of them entertainment companies or PC manufacturers (hence why people in the Video game hobby care).

[normalindividual]

Hopefully one of the distinguished fellows at the distinguished seminar brought lunch for the distinguished doctor who is literally starving to death (in a dignified manner).

[Uncle]

what do you care about a big business profiting anyway?

Those data centers are not build for free.

oh no, I'm so worried that the 5 corporations that run the world might be wasting some of their billions, while the average person enjoys a slightly higher quality of life due to being able to get answers, inspiration, images, videos, code for free

[Keetongu]

Went to my former boss (Nobel Laureate in computer science and biology) and his distinguished lecture this week and it was astoundingly eye-opening.

It is the same guy that you said hated his guts?

Didn't realize there was a Nobel prize in biology and computer science. I don't think the good doctor is lying, I think he's just too self-absorbed to know what the actual award was for.

[Boredfrom]

what do you care about a big business profiting anyway?

Those data centers are not build for free.

oh no, I'm so worried that the 5 corporations that run the world might be wasting some of their billions, while the average person enjoys a slightly higher quality of life due to being able to get answers, inspiration, images, videos, code for free

Buzzwords. YAY! 

And you say you are not investing money at AI.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/s/ibNN3oJ8At

This is the reason why I actually got pissed off.

YouTube not even allowing keeping human made substitutes in past stuff. WTF are we doing? 

I dunno Uncle, that sounds like a corpo is making my quality of life a little worse for the metrics.