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[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hamas-attacks-israel-including-attacks-and-kidnappings-of-civilians-israel-retaliates-with-massive-missile-attacks-against-civilian-targets-in-gaza.772478/page-23#post-113195951

While terrible and tragic, what happened in Israel has been happening from the last 7+ decades in Palestine territory with little to no commotion. I've seen more coverage these past few days from mainstream media depicting the horrors of the attack than I have in the past years for significant bigger aggression from Israel towards Palestines.

I can draw just one conclusion from this: the media and the powers behind it are complicit in the slow but sure genocide of the Palestinian people. And now they might be aiming to speed things up.

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[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

While terrible and tragic, what happened in Israel has been happening from the last 7+ decades in Palestine territory with little to no commotion. I've seen more coverage these past few days from mainstream media depicting the horrors of the attack than I have in the past years for significant bigger aggression from Israel towards Palestines.

I can draw just one conclusion from this: the media and the powers behind it are complicit in the slow but sure genocide of the Palestinian people. And now they might be aiming to speed things up.

 

This should be a Perma or just two weeks?

Resetera is getting a little too close to bringing up the jewish question for my liking.

[Boredfrom]

f you can't see how Israel has had the upper hand in this conflict for decades I don't know what to tell you. Trying to put both sides on equal footing is just ignoring how much direct support Israel has had from the entire western world. Including western media largely ignoring the DAILY tragedies the IDF inflicts upon the Palestinian people. The direct funding for military support. The fact that Israel directly controls all supply lines going into Gaza.

You have on one side one of the most well trained and funded militaries in the world going up against what are essentially Guerilla fighters who are patching together whatever they can to fight back. Israel has had ample opportunities to ease tensions but under Netanyahu its been worse than it ever has as he continues to wield his fascist regime like a cudgel to smash the Palestinians.

And like I said before Netanyahu continuing to retaliate ever harder is just going to get more of his own civilians killed. There are plenty of good faith concessions that could be made from Israel to ratchet down the violence but they don't so the circle of violence is going to continue ad Infinium.

Okay, how this shit justifies mass rape and murder of civilians?

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hamas-attacks-israel-including-attacks-and-kidnappings-of-civilians-israel-retaliates-with-massive-missile-attacks-against-civilian-targets-in-gaza.772478/page-23#post-113195951

While terrible and tragic, what happened in Israel has been happening from the last 7+ decades in Palestine territory with little to no commotion.

If I haven't seen it, it's new to me!

[Boredfrom]

Islam didn't even come about until like the 600s AD, man. And the religion angle isn't really relevant anyway, besides Zionists invoking their "God-given right". Palestinians don't struggle because they're Muslims fighting Jews, they're struggling because they've been ethnically cleansed, expelled from their land, and subjugated. This applies to Christian and Jewish Palestinians as well.

 

How is religion no relevant as is the whole reason why Muslim theocracies support Palestine (while heating each other guts) and the whole reason why Hamas exists? You think only Jews are claiming “God given right” when you have some sicko parading a naked woman with “Allahu Akbar” (it was confirmed).

[benji]

f you can't see how Israel has had the upper hand in this conflict for decades I don't know what to tell you. Trying to put both sides on equal footing is just ignoring how much direct support Israel has had from the entire western world. Including western media largely ignoring the DAILY tragedies the IDF inflicts upon the Palestinian people. The direct funding for military support. The fact that Israel directly controls all supply lines going into Gaza.

You have on one side one of the most well trained and funded militaries in the world going up against what are essentially Guerilla fighters who are patching together whatever they can to fight back. Israel has had ample opportunities to ease tensions but under Netanyahu its been worse than it ever has as he continues to wield his fascist regime like a cudgel to smash the Palestinians.

And like I said before Netanyahu continuing to retaliate ever harder is just going to get more of his own civilians killed. There are plenty of good faith concessions that could be made from Israel to ratchet down the violence but they don't so the circle of violence is going to continue ad Infinium.

Okay, how this shit justifies mass rape and murder of civilians?

Actually, that wouldn't be my response because he's just going to go back to "they're forced to do it" to your question. My response would be why is it on Israel to ratchet down the violence then? If violence is the obvious automatic response to violence and thus the Palestinians are justified in "patching together whatever they can to fight back" why does this not apply to Israel? This requires him to make empirical claims which can be challenged. Essentially though all his arguments will come down to Israel should because they're more powerful.

Which is fine, I agree (unlike people on ResetERA.com who don't believe in ever conceding anything), but it doesn't then justify Palestinian violence and this is what he wants to actually do and what is necessary to do because the Palestinians have historically replied to Israeli concessions with violence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada (I do not support the view that the failure of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit was all Arafat's fault, though I believe the refusal to ever negotiate on right of return is completely absurd and becomes ever more so with each passing year, I am merely pointing out that they did not respond with further negotiations or attempts at other agreements they responded with violence)

The history of Hamas is even worse but I will entertain the claim that they're merely a political party now.

[Boredfrom]

Well firstly, I'm sorry you lost your friend.

To answer your question though like I said I think there are plenty of concessions that could be made from Israel as a good faith gesture to help ease tensions. Like stopping unlawful seizure of peoples homes. Fixing the water supply issue as only 4% of the water in and around Gaza is safe for consumption. Things like these are things that Israel directly controls that could greatly improve the quality of life for people in Gaza and serve as a good faith gesture that they are serious about ending the violence.

Then how you deal with Hamas?

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Kline says:
The Hamas charter very clearly calls for the murder of Jews worldwide as a matter of divinely mandated religious Jihad.

The wider Israeli Palestinian conflict may not be a religious one, but it's certainly at the core of Hamas's MO.

but, again.. what is their stance on the LGBTQIA+? Wait, someone already answered that for me.. But, I'll just support Hamas because.. because..!!

[Boredfrom]

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Kline says:
The Hamas charter very clearly calls for the murder of Jews worldwide as a matter of divinely mandated religious Jihad.

The wider Israeli Palestinian conflict may not be a religious one, but it's certainly at the core of Hamas's MO.

but, again.. what is their stance on the LGBTQIA+? Wait, someone already answered that for me.. But, I'll just support Hamas because.. because..!!

“Never mind, I don’t support Hamas. But Israel should make acts of good faith in a region dominated by a terror group and backed by bigger theocratic nations, a terror group infamous for using civilians as meat shields (don’t believe IDF lies)”.

[Boredfrom]

Furthermore, after Hamas won the 2006 elections, they proceeded to eliminate any remaining vestiges of the Palestinian Authority/Fatah in Gaza.

you forgot to mention after Hamas won the US helped Fatah trying to stage a coup to reclaim power.

The old Latino American deflect tactic “is the fault of the US we have a shit government”. (Just partially, being honest)

[Boredfrom]

Welp my TikTok is filled with supposed hostage videos and it seems valid according to comments. Sad as shit and as a parent makes me sick to my stomach. I’m done with the internet for a little while. I can’t handle seeing the children.

The dude just yesterday (while the videos were also described by all the internet):

I don’t post often in these threads but I think this is an important perspective. We can’t go and place our knowledeable, western-based perspective on their lives of misery.

Now… their *government* should know better, but that’s another conversation.

[benji]

Furthermore, after Hamas won the 2006 elections, they proceeded to eliminate any remaining vestiges of the Palestinian Authority/Fatah in Gaza.

you forgot to mention after Hamas won the US helped Fatah trying to stage a coup to reclaim power.

Another non-sequitur to signal the proper groupthink to others.

[benji]

IN 1676, HANNAH LYMAN WAS in trouble. She was among three dozen or so young women who had been summoned to court: They had flouted the laws of the colony of Connecticut by wearing silken hoods. Among these “overdressed” women, Lyman was, apparently, the most rebellious and strong-willed. She appeared in court wearing the very silk hood that she had been indicted for donning.

The judge was, predictably, not very happy. He accused her of “wearing silk in a flaunting manner, in an offensive way, not only before but when she stood presented” at court. She and the other young women were fined for their offensive sartorial choices.

The Massachusetts Bay Colony passed its first law limiting the excesses of dress in 1634, when it prohibited citizens from wearing “new fashions, or long hair, or anything of the like nature.” That meant no silver or gold hatbands, girdles, or belts, and no cloth woven with gold thread or lace. It was also forbidden to create clothes with more than two slashes in the sleeves (a style meant to reveal one’s rich and fancy undergarments). Anyone who wore such items would have to forfeit them if caught.

For decades the colony continued to refine these laws. In 1639, the colony instituted a stricter law against lace and forbade clothes with short sleeves. In the 1650s, the law became more class-conscious. Only those who had more than 200 pounds to their estates were allowed to wear gold and silver buttons and knee points, or great boots, silk hoods, or silk scarves. Exempt from the rule were magistrates and public officers, their wives and children, as well as militia officers or soldiers, and anyone else whose with advanced education or employment, or “whose estate have been considerable, though now decayed.” In 1679, the colony also started worrying about hair, since “there is manifest pride openly appearing among us by some women wearing borders of hair, and their cutting, curling, and immodest laying out of their hair.”

In New Jersey, by 1670, it was illegal for a woman to “betray into matrimony any of His Majesty’s male subjects, by scents, paints, cosmetics, washes, artificial teeth, false hair, Spanish wool, iron stays, hoops, high-heeled shoes, or bolstered hips.” And if they did? The marriage would be “null and void.” Oh, and they would be punished exactly as if they had been convicted of witchcraft or sorcery.

Game developers could learn something from our ancestors about objectifying the female form and the male gaze.

[Nintex]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1711137898915901828?t=XgL7prpNaZJEdBAyFTutPw&s=19[/tweet]

I agree that Gaza is an open air prison.


...of savages and violent thugs and some I assume bad people just like ResetEra.
 

[Eric Cartman]

While terrible and tragic, what happened in Israel has been happening from the last 7+ decades in Palestine territory with little to no commotion. I've seen more coverage these past few days from mainstream media depicting the horrors of the attack than I have in the past years for significant bigger aggression from Israel towards Palestines.

I can draw just one conclusion from this: the media and the powers behind it are complicit in the slow but sure genocide of the Palestinian people. And now they might be aiming to speed things up.

 

This should be a Perma or just two weeks?

You just can't trust the globalist mainstream media controlled by the likes of (((bloomberg))) to inform the populace about the real agenda to... wait, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

[kaleidoscopium]

Waiting for bdubs to come in tut tutting about the genocidal antisemitic forum he's cultivated now

[Eric Cartman]

You have on one side one of the most well trained and funded militaries in the world going up against what are essentially Guerilla fighters who are patching together whatever they can to fight back.

They're not Tony Ibn-Stark'ing M302 rockets in a cave! With a box of scraps!

[Polident]

Here we go:

Hey did you know the Israeli government has been reported to blackmail queer Palestinians to spy for them or get outed as being gay/queer to their communities? The west sure as hell didn't ensure Israel should respect lgbt rights or be religiously tolerant or even be a democracy that everyone can participate in.

Also what American leftists want or stand for is immaterial because they have precisely zero power in their country so I don't know what you're talking about.

Saw this yesterday and was thinking about it earlier. They’re actually admitting that self described leftists see it as fashion. Not policy. No real beliefs and ideas. Like somebody who decides to be a goth and buys black clothes and eyeliner.

[Eric Cartman]

You have on one side one of the most well trained and funded militaries in the world going up against what are essentially Guerilla fighters who are patching together whatever they can to fight back.

They're not Tony Ibn-Stark'ing M302 rockets in a cave! With a box of scraps!

I don't know how you can claim that; desgning, manufacturing and assembling self propelled medium to long range artillery isn't exactly rocke- uhhhhh brain surgery

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Maybe it'd be easier to explain current events as a Marvel movie. If you say that Israel is the Avengers and Hamas is Thanos I'm sure it will make it heckin awesome for the lot of them.

[benji]

While terrible and tragic, what happened in Israel has been happening from the last 7+ decades in Palestine territory with little to no commotion. I've seen more coverage these past few days from mainstream media depicting the horrors of the attack than I have in the past years for significant bigger aggression from Israel towards Palestines.

I can draw just one conclusion from this: the media and the powers behind it are complicit in the slow but sure genocide of the Palestinian people. And now they might be aiming to speed things up.

 

This should be a Perma or just two weeks?

You just can't trust the globalist mainstream media controlled by the likes of (((bloomberg))) to inform the populace about the real agenda to... wait, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

What are you guys saying? That there's not a massive global conspiracy involving the media and everyone I hate carrying out elaborate plots to do unclear things to achieve unclear goals that could be done without any need for a secretive conspiracy or involving every component of society in the plot? Wake up and learn that this just what evil does. This is what monsters like Joanne and CDPR have always wanted. This is why they write the algorithms. If you aren't going to be part of the solution, divesting from capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy, then you're complicit. The people will remember your complicity when they finally rise up against what you've done to them and your neat-and-tidy black-and-white narratives won't go unchallenged then.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hamas-attacks-israel-including-attacks-and-kidnappings-of-civilians-israel-retaliates-with-massive-missile-attacks-against-civilian-targets-in-gaza.772478/page-24#post-113198192

Resetera please shape my ideology for me.

Correct Answer is always China.

[benji]

Maybe it'd be easier to explain current events as a Marvel movie. If you say that Israel is the Avengers and Hamas is Thanos I'm sure it will make it heckin awesome for the lot of them.

Why'd you make Israel be The Avengers?

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Maybe it'd be easier to explain current events as a Marvel movie. If you say that Israel is the Avengers and Hamas is Thanos I'm sure it will make it heckin awesome for the lot of them.

Why'd you make Israel be The Avengers?

because the avengers continue western colonialism and oppression over poor poc like kill monger duh  

[Polident]

Maybe it'd be easier to explain current events as a Marvel movie. If you say that Israel is the Avengers and Hamas is Thanos I'm sure it will make it heckin awesome for the lot of them.

People were unironically claiming the captain marvel movie was an allegory for the conflict. It was a pretty transparent meta attempt to knock Wonder Woman. That said, I haven’t watched it. The reasoning given is its a plot where the lady realizes the military she fought for is bad and joins the rebels/refugees. You know, like Avatar, or Haze, or Repo Men, or countless other stories.

But it’s said the latest marvel show has those same rebels/refugees turn terrorist. They infiltrate the government, commit mass slaughter, blow up buildings, and… yeah, I don’t think they’ll use that comparison anymore.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

uncle ben is techinally israel

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

toad02

Palette Swap said:
This isn't a football game where you should endorse one team and wish for the genocide of the other.

The crux of the issue is that right now, there's no political will or trajectory where two states and two people exist with human rights and dignity for everyone.

I really do not see another outcome happening than one side winning this though. Do you?

I just want this shit to be over so people can move on. If this is only gonna happen with one side winning, then I will hope the fascist invaders triumph over the fundamentalist terrorists. If the representatives of the Palestinians were any less shit I would be cheering for them instead, as I support their claim of the land more than Israel, but clearly that is not what we have, so it is what it is.
It ain't pretty and It definitely doesn't feel good to say it but that's the world we live in, sadly. Spare me the whataboutism and the fairy tales.

[NekoFever]

While terrible and tragic, what happened in Israel has been happening from the last 7+ decades in Palestine territory with little to no commotion. I've seen more coverage these past few days from mainstream media depicting the horrors of the attack than I have in the past years for significant bigger aggression from Israel towards Palestines.

I can draw just one conclusion from this: the media and the powers behind it are complicit in the slow but sure genocide of the Palestinian people. And now they might be aiming to speed things up.

 

This should be a Perma or just two weeks?

Oh, wow. They’ve gone all the way to blaming (((the media))) and the (((powers behind it))).

Great community you’ve cultivated there, B-Dubs.

It was looking like they might have an “are we the baddies?” moment here, but predictably the tankies are doubling down and are allowed to get away with it.

[Besticus Maximus]

Can't even laugh at them for the last few days, unbelievably fucked up forum

It's worth underlining that they do nothing for a cheap laugh or the general lulz. Every line of bile on there is heartfelt otherwise it doesn't get through immigration.

[Eric Cartman]

In Soviet Resetera, propagandists read you