Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Daffy Duck]

White people need to calm down.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-think-timoth%C3%A9e-chalamet-is-one-of-the-greatest-actors-of-our-time.1438912/

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chinese-food-deliverers-in-sydney-were-considering-protesting-chinese-police-called-and-threatened-their-families-in-china.1438957/

I don't see what the problem is? Surely it's better that people are held accountable instead of WeChat being allowed to turn into a festering den of bigotry and hate speech like Steam. Any complaints about this is just the toxic American ideology of free speech that stands on the same side as pedophiles.

[boreform]

[Cheers]

Leftists yearn for the Chinese model:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chinese-food-deliverers-in-sydney-were-considering-protesting-chinese-police-called-and-threatened-their-families-in-china.1438957/

They think the west is a hellhole already.

American imperialism has brought more harm to the entire world in the last century than China ever has, without Trump being in office. And this isn't me liking China or whatever, but it's a false equivalence at this moment.

Yes if you ignore… everything China has done internally and ignore the fact the US has been a world super power for much longer. 

They don’t exactly treat black people the best either. But this is the socialist MO: adopt rhetoric that totally throws minorities under the bus. Just like capitalism ending magically ends racism.

[benji]

American imperialism has brought more harm to the entire world in the last century than China ever has, without Trump being in office. And this isn't me liking China or whatever, but it's a false equivalence at this moment.

Did American imperialism ever directly kill 50+ million people? It probably didn't even kill a tenth of that in World War II.

Chinese imperialism in Asia alone might have killed more people last century than American imperialism globally. Especially considering they have to at the very least split the cost of Vietnam rather than assign it all to the US.

[Kyon1988]

Those fuckin idiots need to move to China to talk about sexism in video games, trans rights and racism. I wonder how long they last

[boreform]

[boreform]

Those fuckin idiots need to move to China to talk about sexism in video games, trans rights and racism. I wonder how long they last

chiner rules 

[benji]

American imperialism has brought more harm to the entire world in the last century than China ever has,

 

[boreform]

[benji]

And yet it killed less people than China did in Korea or, well, China itself. (And less people than the US killed with regular bombing.)

The point is: we shouldn't target the American state's crimes with atrociously bad arguments or downplay other state's crimes as if it will somehow make American crimes worse. That's how leftists constantly wind up defending guys like Gaddhafi, the Iranian Supreme Leaders, Milosevic and Putin beyond the socialist mass murderers.

[Cheers]

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Leftists yearn for the Chinese model:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chinese-food-deliverers-in-sydney-were-considering-protesting-chinese-police-called-and-threatened-their-families-in-china.1438957/

They think the west is a hellhole already.

American imperialism has brought more harm to the entire world in the last century than China ever has, without Trump being in office. And this isn't me liking China or whatever, but it's a false equivalence at this moment.

Yes if you ignore… everything China has done internally and ignore the fact the US has been a world super power for much longer. 

They don’t exactly treat black people the best either. But this is the socialist MO: adopt rhetoric that totally throws minorities under the bus. Just like capitalism ending magically ends racism.

Hercule tries to correct him but like most of Resetera idiots, they move the goalposts to CAPITALISM. 

Mao his death toll is around 40 mil people. The death toll of the Korean War is around 2 million. The Uyghur genocide is still ongoing. Trump is terrible and America has done terrible things but the "who's worse, China or America" really needs to stop

Messofamoron:

Capitalism has killed more than 3 billion people. And I'm not the one bringing up the versus, so I agree.

Huh??? Agree with what? Since when was the US the inventor of capitalism and the sole proprietor? Does he not know China practices capitalism?

[benji]

How could you even calculate that figure? Let alone believe that it's somehow that big?

[benji]

Found a "source" for this claim:

Analysis of the death toll of capitalism, when we are calculating the death toll we are talking people killed in the name of profit indirectly or directly.


Capitalist countries funded fascist governments, so lets add 200 million people to the toll since that is the death toll of fascism


200 million


Capitalist countries were also responsible for colonialism in order to rip out profits from Africa and other nations and to get slaves, the total death toll of European colonism is around 50 million


250 million deaths


Also the British colonized India and managed to kill 1.8 billion Indians of depravation by stealing nearly 45 trillion dollars, nearly 25% of the entire worlds wealth at the time.


2.05 billion deaths


Source for anyone who asked


https://mronline.org/2019/01/15/britain-robbed-india-of-45-trillion-thence-1-8-billion-indians-died-from-deprivation/


European powers colonizing American colonies and deaths' of indigenous people and American genocide against natives caused around 200 million deaths


2.35 billion deaths


Since the capitalist nations also heavily sanctioned the communist states we will add another 70 million deaths


2.42 billion deaths


The USA is also responsible for the deaths of nearly 60 million slaves


2.48 billion deaths


The USA has killed nearly 5 million people in Arabia and north Africa by funding dictators and airstrikes


2.485 billion deaths


So the number must be MUCH higher, there is simply wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to many things to count. But generally capitalism has killed nearly 2.5 billion people. while everyone claims that communism has killed nearly 100 million.


So please, compare the numbers of communism to capitalism, 100 million to 2.5 billion.


Furthermore, nearly 40 million people in the world are modern slaves, and nearly 3 billion are wage slaves, that is they are people who sell their labor for money. and yet still cant afford housing, healthcare, and transportation.


So before saying that communism has killed 100 or 200 million, remember the death toll of capitalism.

edit: Great comment down in that thread that's also science:

Financial_Catman
•
3y ago
China is most certainly a socialist country.

It's also the most democratic, most peaceful, and fastest developing major nation in all of human history.

The record holder before China was the USSR.

Turns out socialism is good.

Also: Stop spamming this idiotic "China isn't socialist" meme. Notice how their system is fundamentally different from the West's in every way and every capitalist leader hates China? Yeah. That's because China isn't capitalist.

[Cheers]

Found a "source" for this claim:

Analysis of the death toll of capitalism, when we are calculating the death toll we are talking people killed in the name of profit indirectly or directly.


Capitalist countries funded fascist governments, so lets add 200 million people to the toll since that is the death toll of fascism


200 million


Capitalist countries were also responsible for colonialism in order to rip out profits from Africa and other nations and to get slaves, the total death toll of European colonism is around 50 million


250 million deaths


Also the British colonized India and managed to kill 1.8 billion Indians of depravation by stealing nearly 45 trillion dollars, nearly 25% of the entire worlds wealth at the time.


2.05 billion deaths


Source for anyone who asked


https://mronline.org/2019/01/15/britain-robbed-india-of-45-trillion-thence-1-8-billion-indians-died-from-deprivation/


European powers colonizing American colonies and deaths' of indigenous people and American genocide against natives caused around 200 million deaths


2.35 billion deaths


Since the capitalist nations also heavily sanctioned the communist states we will add another 70 million deaths


2.42 billion deaths


The USA is also responsible for the deaths of nearly 60 million slaves


2.48 billion deaths


The USA has killed nearly 5 million people in Arabia and north Africa by funding dictators and airstrikes


2.485 billion deaths


So the number must be MUCH higher, there is simply wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to many things to count. But generally capitalism has killed nearly 2.5 billion people. while everyone claims that communism has killed nearly 100 million.


So please, compare the numbers of communism to capitalism, 100 million to 2.5 billion.


Furthermore, nearly 40 million people in the world are modern slaves, and nearly 3 billion are wage slaves, that is they are people who sell their labor for money. and yet still cant afford housing, healthcare, and transportation.


So before saying that communism has killed 100 or 200 million, remember the death toll of capitalism.

So he’s comparing hundreds of years of historic capitalism to… a century of socialism/communism. Plus no way imperial Britain killed that many Indians when… there isn’t that many today. The fuck?

[benji]

I don't know how anyone could get past the very first item that claims fascism killed 200 million people, which is more than three times the death toll of everybody in World War II. And that capitalists somehow funded it when the capitalists are what destroyed it while the communists allied with it to carve up Europe.  

But further down he also gives all the deaths of communism to capitalism as well. Yet Messofanego saw this on some YouTube video and repeats it uncritically when the size of the number alone should make you skeptical.

This is aside from how the framework itself makes zero sense. Anything a government that's not socialist does not make it an action "for capitalism", that's not the case with socialism because the entire point of a socialist state is carrying out socialism, almost all the socialist deaths were caused by the pursuit of single-party state directed central planning. You can absent away the specific deaths like say a US that doesn't bomb the Middle East or a British monopoly that doesn't vaporize every Indian who ever lived and still have a hypothetical capitalism with zero deaths, you can only absent away the socialist deaths by hypothetical different results. This is why the go-to move is typically to claim those aren't socialist states, but state capitalist states because they never successfully abolished private property, money, trade, etc. for pure distribution. The end goal (socialism) is tied to what they did, the "capitalist" ledger isn't tied to capitalism, only specific state's specific interests. (This is why it's also fair to say that China probably isn't socialist anymore, they aren't trying to do it. It's a socialist with Chinese Characteristics state.)

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

what about machines specifically designed to improve boner strength

If you can't get a boner, you don't deserve a boner.

[Daffy Duck]

By that logic, hiring progressive or queer creators is part of the gross-out unpleasant aesthetic, which is part of the problem. McMillan is treating those who are ideologically opposed to the genocide in Palestine the sane as those who are ideologically in favour of it. It's treating all these complex and difficult issues, which have real and tangible human cost in the real world, like a big, messy joke.

Honestly, your post comes across like you're waffling to find reasons to not get upset so you can still be okay with the game and McMillan himself. I gotta be honest, the reoccurring treatment of him like some little kid who doesn't know what to say is ridiculous. He's 45 years old and one of the most prominent indie developers on the planet, holding him to a higher standard seems perfectly reasonable.

Lmao, these people man, they need to be studied

[Rendle]

I say we nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[Potato]

Leftists yearn for the Chinese model:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chinese-food-deliverers-in-sydney-were-considering-protesting-chinese-police-called-and-threatened-their-families-in-china.1438957/

They think the west is a hellhole already.

American imperialism has brought more harm to the entire world in the last century than China ever has, without Trump being in office. And this isn't me liking China or whatever, but it's a false equivalence at this moment.

Yes if you ignore… everything China has done internally and ignore the fact the US has been a world super power for much longer. 

They don’t exactly treat black people the best either. But this is the socialist MO: adopt rhetoric that totally throws minorities under the bus. Just like capitalism ending magically ends racism.

#FreeTibet

[Potato]

Found a "source" for this claim:

Analysis of the death toll of capitalism, when we are calculating the death toll we are talking people killed in the name of profit indirectly or directly.


Capitalist countries funded fascist governments, so lets add 200 million people to the toll since that is the death toll of fascism


200 million


Capitalist countries were also responsible for colonialism in order to rip out profits from Africa and other nations and to get slaves, the total death toll of European colonism is around 50 million


250 million deaths


Also the British colonized India and managed to kill 1.8 billion Indians of depravation by stealing nearly 45 trillion dollars, nearly 25% of the entire worlds wealth at the time.


2.05 billion deaths


Source for anyone who asked


https://mronline.org/2019/01/15/britain-robbed-india-of-45-trillion-thence-1-8-billion-indians-died-from-deprivation/


European powers colonizing American colonies and deaths' of indigenous people and American genocide against natives caused around 200 million deaths


2.35 billion deaths


Since the capitalist nations also heavily sanctioned the communist states we will add another 70 million deaths


2.42 billion deaths


The USA is also responsible for the deaths of nearly 60 million slaves


2.48 billion deaths


The USA has killed nearly 5 million people in Arabia and north Africa by funding dictators and airstrikes


2.485 billion deaths


So the number must be MUCH higher, there is simply wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to many things to count. But generally capitalism has killed nearly 2.5 billion people. while everyone claims that communism has killed nearly 100 million.


So please, compare the numbers of communism to capitalism, 100 million to 2.5 billion.


Furthermore, nearly 40 million people in the world are modern slaves, and nearly 3 billion are wage slaves, that is they are people who sell their labor for money. and yet still cant afford housing, healthcare, and transportation.


So before saying that communism has killed 100 or 200 million, remember the death toll of capitalism.

edit: Great comment down in that thread that's also science:

Financial_Catman
•
3y ago
China is most certainly a socialist country.

It's also the most democratic, most peaceful, and fastest developing major nation in all of human history.

The record holder before China was the USSR.

Turns out socialism is good.

Also: Stop spamming this idiotic "China isn't socialist" meme. Notice how their system is fundamentally different from the West's in every way and every capitalist leader hates China? Yeah. That's because China isn't capitalist.

Yes, but how many lives has capitalism saved through technological developments like sanitation, medicine, food production and general health and safety standards?

China STILL lags behind some of the standards capitalists set in the middle of last century.

[Potato]

I don't know how anyone could get past the very first item that claims fascism killed 200 million people, which is more than three times the death toll of everybody in World War II. And that capitalists somehow funded it when the capitalists are what destroyed it while the communists allied with it to carve up Europe.  

But further down he also gives all the deaths of communism to capitalism as well. Yet Messofanego saw this on some YouTube video and repeats it uncritically when the size of the number alone should make you skeptical.

This is aside from how the framework itself makes zero sense. Anything a government that's not socialist does not make it an action "for capitalism", that's not the case with socialism because the entire point of a socialist state is carrying out socialism, almost all the socialist deaths were caused by the pursuit of single-party state directed central planning. You can absent away the specific deaths like say a US that doesn't bomb the Middle East or a British monopoly that doesn't vaporize every Indian who ever lived and still have a hypothetical capitalism with zero deaths, you can only absent away the socialist deaths by hypothetical different results. This is why the go-to move is typically to claim those aren't socialist states, but state capitalist states because they never successfully abolished private property, money, trade, etc. for pure distribution. The end goal (socialism) is tied to what they did, the "capitalist" ledger isn't tied to capitalism, only specific state's specific interests. (This is why it's also fair to say that China probably isn't socialist anymore, they aren't trying to do it. It's a socialist with Chinese Characteristics state.)

The secret is that the "Chinese characteristics" are just hyper capitalism.

[Snoopy]

Poor Derbal. Someone (definitely not me) reported his amazing thread and now he's having a proper hissy fit in Constructive.

We really can't be having the Controversial opinions thread over and over again in different threads.

That's your own interpretation of my thread. Not my intent at all. I don't even consider it negative. The purpose is literally self reflection. I see this and I kind of want to break down the reasoning, and I used myself as an example so I wouldn't come off as just being critical of others. But now people want to pretend they're all above the thing I'm describing when it's regular ocurence.

I also disagree with your interpretation of the last thread you had a problem with, you just took it more seriously than that OP did and wrote intent they never even stated. Just like you're writing a brand new sentence I never said for me.

"Controversial Opinion - I don't like Pokemon SV" - Come on, be serious.

So once again I clearly state my intent and purpose behind something and people interpret it as something else while ignoring my point even when I jump in to clarify.

I am what you say I am regardless of what I say otherwise. It's not a pattern or anything clearly.

And then the response when this gets pointed out is none.

You haven't read your own thread have you?

Well we can start with the title. As someone who is so astute on the mindset of the average era user you must realize that era doesn't read the op. You decided to name it "Times When a Game's Success or Praise Truly Bothered You and Why?" (I mean you could have gone with so many different thread titles like "Hey Era, we need to grow up and not hate on games that are successful" or "When are some times you felt stupid hating on something popular?" to name just a couple off the top of my head. So what (extremely) predictably happened was that you got about a third to half of the posts calling your immaturity out, and the other 2/3rds to 90% taking the opportunity of bashing their current game that they hate. So the tiresomely predicitble outcome was pretty inevedibitle.

Then yhour OP is pretty bad also. Your first paragraph is just a fig leaf of what you really feel, to be honest that you elaborate in your third paragraph, which is you just shitting all over Pokemon Scarlett/Violet. Your only responses where where you defended your flawd approach, discounting people who saw through what you tried to peddle, or strangly (for a thread to point out our flaws) adding fuel to a poster's hatred of the extreme love E33 got throughout the year with a glib response of "I mean, we weren't wrong." Nah, you just wanted to take this opportuinity to shit on Pokemon Scarlett/Violet.

Then when you are called out on it you say "that's your own interpretation of my thread" like that is some sort of shield from true criticism. I mean, you do realize that the listener/reader's comprehension of what you communicate is just as important as what you say?

So basically I don't buy your bullshit that your thread was some sort of "learning opportunity" for Era and this is just some convoluted excuse to be an ass.

EDIT: And good on the mods for not falling for this bullshit and shutting it down.

No, I didn't read how you rewrote my thread in your head.

Good job on assuming the worse of people and patting yourself on the back for it.

I get called a bullshitter and an ass because I stand by my attempt to contribute something here.

But I'm the one that gets call hostile because I'm not nice to people who insult me unprompted.

Just consider for a moment, maybe I'm not lying or trying to pull something and consider how frustrating this interaction is from that perspective and how you're coming off for no real reason.

The other thing that's frustrating is that my own thread creation history can't be taken into account. Am I the guy that just makes negative threads for the sake of it. Do I do passive aggressive threads, am I known for that? Has this been a reoccurring issue? Since when am I the half assed thread maker? Or have I just made topics about anything serious, silly, or about nothing. And even with the sillier stuff I made sure to put in effort. So what are we doing here?

Unfortunately, I think you do have that reputation and it has been an issue, which is why people (including myself at first glance when I saw) might have originally seen your thread and thought the worst. Then I saw what you initially said here and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. I'm genuinely rooting for you when you say you are self reflecting

1000th time. Not the intention or point of the thread. You can't just pretend that I didn't say that and explain what I was going for. Or maybe you can since that's what everyone else is doing.

"Times you realised you were just being a petty hater and had to stop" might have been a better thread title if the intent was to discuss moments of self reflection around negative opinions on certain games.

And then a bold font, red text "This isn't a thread for you to dump on games other people like, this is a thread for talking about moments of self reflection" right at the top of the OP.

People will misread intent of a thread all the time because they're human and inundated with constant barrages of negativity. So you have to go the extra mile to establish tone if you want to have some discussions.

That's how I might have approached it anyway 🤷‍♀️

I feel like there are issues with your suggestion you're overlooking, but somehow this is the most reasonable response I've gotten so far, so I'll just take it. So thank you for that.

There's misreading intent and just assuming the worse. This was definitely a case of the latter.

Going from what are times you were a hater about something successful and why to take petty snipes at popular things is straight up writing a brand new prompt. I like to think I've always been upfront about my thread intentions. I didn't think this needed the level of clarification and background as my thread about porn plots. And why, that's asking you to break down the reason. Why did you feel this way. That's the reflection. I felt. I resented. I felt like. I laid out an example.

By the logic applied here, could I not just assume this thread is also about being negative about games and have a go at them. Meanwhile they read my posts wondering where any of this is coming from. Which is how I feel now. 

The initial responses to this in this thread are way more negative than anything in my thread. The people supposedly tired of negativity jumping on someone because they want to assume everything is an attack and clearly I pissed the second person off with some take last year considering how quickly they went to insults.

I think the thread was locked because the title was "Times When a Game's Success or Praise Truly Bothered You and Why?"

Despite you trying to expand in the OP, the majority of posts were only ever going to be responses to that question.

There's no agenda against you here, or post history not being taken into account it's just a poorly titled thread that was only going to invite negative potshots at things people like (and the people that like them). It's not even "what popular things do you not like", it's asking for when popularity actively bothered you which seems to invite a more specific type of negativity aimed at the fans of something.

I'm not saying any of this was your intent, but it was the inevitable result and has been fairly shut down.

Part of this stems from other circumstances and previous instances. Some very recent. You suggest writing a ticket. But my last two mod inquiries were just straight up rejected, so I'm just not doing that anymore. Hence the "once again" because this has been a reoccurring thing in different ways. "You said this", "no I didn't", "yes you did", conversation locked.

People putting words in my mouth and straight up rewriting my intent is something I've always had an issue with and called it out at any moment.

You're being reasonable about it by going, hey you're thread could be taken this way. Yesterday, I was straight up accused of just trying to get one over and lying about it.

And one of the posters above that set the tone here clearly has a bone to pick.

Derbel McDillet - it's not unusual for you to come to these threads frustrated that your threads or wording is misinterpreted.
At a certain point, if it's happening again and again it's likely worth thinking about what you can do differently to make it less likely that happens.
When posting I often ask myself what the least charitable reading of what I'm saying might be and try to head that off, because many users on this site absolutely have an "oh you hate waffles?" issue.

I see what you're getting at, but looking back on those specific instances, I stand by what I said. There's misinterpreting and then there's flat out rewriting. There's getting the clarification and then outright ignoring it. If you do the above, that's your choice, not something for me to correct. You're telling me to be clearer when we're watching my clarification get ignored. This could've been a ticket, but it's not because of the way previous attempts as recent as two weeks ago played out. This isn't a misunderstanding. This is a choice.

We can watch people harp on the same game and troll threads for months and they'll literally tell you they're doing this, but asking what stems that feeling on is what we draw the line that at.

My personal favorite was - let's pretend a word doesn't have different connotations, insist you made it up and then laugh at you when you show examples of other people using that other connotation. But I need to be clearer.

To be blunt, you've made these Community Discussion threads about yourself multiple times now Derbel. In threads outside of this one, you seem to find yourself at the center of attention quite often, and not in a positive way. This doesn't seem to be a problem for anybody else on this website and yet it keeps happening with you.

When something like the below happens,

My personal favorite was - let's pretend a word doesn't have different connotations, insist you made it up and then laugh at you when you show examples of other people using that other connotation.

You don't get to throw it back in my face like I did something wrong there.

Im being blamed for being unclear yet I clearly stated why I'm posting here and not using other avenues.

Part of this stems from other circumstances and previous instances. Some very recent. You suggest writing a ticket. But my last two mod inquiries were just straight up rejected, so I'm just not doing that anymore. Hence the "once again" because this has been a reoccurring thing in different ways. "You said this", "no I didn't", "yes you did", conversation locked.

Your post is a broad tut tut that doesn't have to address what a single one of those issues were. "It's your fault we dogpiled you for saying you'd like to see cover mechanics in Ratchet games." Again, we can go over what each of those instances were.

I have no interest in being the center of attention, but I can point out when I think a decision was unfair or where I don't think rules are applied consistently.

[Besticus Maximus]

That’s more work than I’ve done all week

[HaughtyFrank]

ITT: Nintentardian discovers the pitfalls of exceptionalism.

Inadvertently reveals to an ignorant audience the problem with so much progressive thought.

https://famiboards.com/threads/the-games-for-impact-award-category-betrays-a-fundamental-problem-in-mainstream-games-criticism.16589/#post-2186434

I don't know if Keighley started this stuff—I know it's spread to other video game award sets—but the "Games for Impact" category has bothered me for the better part of a decade.

The problem goes like this: the "Games for Impact" category acts as a kind of containment zone for a certain category of game. Described on the Game Awards website as, "For a thought-provoking game with a pro-social meaning or message," the framing serves to make us understand that the games described by the category are those with a strong artistic bent, with specific thematic messages or specific social aims. In other words: this is the category for games-as-art. Either that, or it is the Performatively Woke Part of the Game Awards™

Now, here's my thing. Here it is. I think that if an award show, or an entire school of criticism, need an entire category for games-as-art, because the definition of the "best games" in a given year wouldn't otherwise include them, then the standards for what makes a good game is vacuous in the extreme.

Now there's an argument to be made for games as toys: that games are fun first, and the primary marker of quality for games-as-toys is simply how fun they are to play and how satisfying they are in moment-to-moment gameplay. And I agree with that, broadly! Some of my favourite games are toys. Donkey Kong Bananza is one such game!

But if games are indeed art, then games have to be treated like art, and that means that the thematic underpinnings of games, the novelty of their formal elements, their uniqueness, and the refinement of their components that aren't upheld by tens of millions of dollars in development hours and playtesting, must be just as important as the things that do (or don't) make for a hype trailer.

The "Games for Impact" category must be abolished. Games that would have competed for it should simply be in the Game of the Year category

Going back to this one, what's really funny here is how he makes the logical leap that a game having a social message means it's automatically the most artistic and that being the most artistic also means that it's the best game of the year. The idea that a game could have a strong social message but also suck doesn't even enter his brain

[HaughtyFrank]

Page 888? Wow, not slick. What's next, page 1488??

[Boredfrom]

He's 45 years old and one of the most prominent indie developers on the planet, holding him to a higher standard seems perfectly reasonable.

Asshole, have you played any of his games before?

[Besticus Maximus]

Who watches the watchmen? We do, and by we I mean me, and by me I mean Jeffrey Marvels

 we hold ourselves to a higher standard! We hold our selves to a higher standard!

[Jansen]

Poor Derbal. Someone (definitely not me) reported his amazing thread and now he's having a proper hissy fit in Constructive.

We really can't be having the Controversial opinions thread over and over again in different threads.

That's your own interpretation of my thread. Not my intent at all. I don't even consider it negative. The purpose is literally self reflection. I see this and I kind of want to break down the reasoning, and I used myself as an example so I wouldn't come off as just being critical of others. But now people want to pretend they're all above the thing I'm describing when it's regular ocurence.

I also disagree with your interpretation of the last thread you had a problem with, you just took it more seriously than that OP did and wrote intent they never even stated. Just like you're writing a brand new sentence I never said for me.

"Controversial Opinion - I don't like Pokemon SV" - Come on, be serious.

So once again I clearly state my intent and purpose behind something and people interpret it as something else while ignoring my point even when I jump in to clarify.

I am what you say I am regardless of what I say otherwise. It's not a pattern or anything clearly.

And then the response when this gets pointed out is none.

You haven't read your own thread have you?

Well we can start with the title. As someone who is so astute on the mindset of the average era user you must realize that era doesn't read the op. You decided to name it "Times When a Game's Success or Praise Truly Bothered You and Why?" (I mean you could have gone with so many different thread titles like "Hey Era, we need to grow up and not hate on games that are successful" or "When are some times you felt stupid hating on something popular?" to name just a couple off the top of my head. So what (extremely) predictably happened was that you got about a third to half of the posts calling your immaturity out, and the other 2/3rds to 90% taking the opportunity of bashing their current game that they hate. So the tiresomely predicitble outcome was pretty inevedibitle.

Then yhour OP is pretty bad also. Your first paragraph is just a fig leaf of what you really feel, to be honest that you elaborate in your third paragraph, which is you just shitting all over Pokemon Scarlett/Violet. Your only responses where where you defended your flawd approach, discounting people who saw through what you tried to peddle, or strangly (for a thread to point out our flaws) adding fuel to a poster's hatred of the extreme love E33 got throughout the year with a glib response of "I mean, we weren't wrong." Nah, you just wanted to take this opportuinity to shit on Pokemon Scarlett/Violet.

Then when you are called out on it you say "that's your own interpretation of my thread" like that is some sort of shield from true criticism. I mean, you do realize that the listener/reader's comprehension of what you communicate is just as important as what you say?

So basically I don't buy your bullshit that your thread was some sort of "learning opportunity" for Era and this is just some convoluted excuse to be an ass.

EDIT: And good on the mods for not falling for this bullshit and shutting it down.

No, I didn't read how you rewrote my thread in your head.

Good job on assuming the worse of people and patting yourself on the back for it.

I get called a bullshitter and an ass because I stand by my attempt to contribute something here.

But I'm the one that gets call hostile because I'm not nice to people who insult me unprompted.

Just consider for a moment, maybe I'm not lying or trying to pull something and consider how frustrating this interaction is from that perspective and how you're coming off for no real reason.

The other thing that's frustrating is that my own thread creation history can't be taken into account. Am I the guy that just makes negative threads for the sake of it. Do I do passive aggressive threads, am I known for that? Has this been a reoccurring issue? Since when am I the half assed thread maker? Or have I just made topics about anything serious, silly, or about nothing. And even with the sillier stuff I made sure to put in effort. So what are we doing here?

Unfortunately, I think you do have that reputation and it has been an issue, which is why people (including myself at first glance when I saw) might have originally seen your thread and thought the worst. Then I saw what you initially said here and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. I'm genuinely rooting for you when you say you are self reflecting

1000th time. Not the intention or point of the thread. You can't just pretend that I didn't say that and explain what I was going for. Or maybe you can since that's what everyone else is doing.

"Times you realised you were just being a petty hater and had to stop" might have been a better thread title if the intent was to discuss moments of self reflection around negative opinions on certain games.

And then a bold font, red text "This isn't a thread for you to dump on games other people like, this is a thread for talking about moments of self reflection" right at the top of the OP.

People will misread intent of a thread all the time because they're human and inundated with constant barrages of negativity. So you have to go the extra mile to establish tone if you want to have some discussions.

That's how I might have approached it anyway 🤷‍♀️

I feel like there are issues with your suggestion you're overlooking, but somehow this is the most reasonable response I've gotten so far, so I'll just take it. So thank you for that.

There's misreading intent and just assuming the worse. This was definitely a case of the latter.

Going from what are times you were a hater about something successful and why to take petty snipes at popular things is straight up writing a brand new prompt. I like to think I've always been upfront about my thread intentions. I didn't think this needed the level of clarification and background as my thread about porn plots. And why, that's asking you to break down the reason. Why did you feel this way. That's the reflection. I felt. I resented. I felt like. I laid out an example.

By the logic applied here, could I not just assume this thread is also about being negative about games and have a go at them. Meanwhile they read my posts wondering where any of this is coming from. Which is how I feel now. 

The initial responses to this in this thread are way more negative than anything in my thread. The people supposedly tired of negativity jumping on someone because they want to assume everything is an attack and clearly I pissed the second person off with some take last year considering how quickly they went to insults.

I think the thread was locked because the title was "Times When a Game's Success or Praise Truly Bothered You and Why?"

Despite you trying to expand in the OP, the majority of posts were only ever going to be responses to that question.

There's no agenda against you here, or post history not being taken into account it's just a poorly titled thread that was only going to invite negative potshots at things people like (and the people that like them). It's not even "what popular things do you not like", it's asking for when popularity actively bothered you which seems to invite a more specific type of negativity aimed at the fans of something.

I'm not saying any of this was your intent, but it was the inevitable result and has been fairly shut down.

Part of this stems from other circumstances and previous instances. Some very recent. You suggest writing a ticket. But my last two mod inquiries were just straight up rejected, so I'm just not doing that anymore. Hence the "once again" because this has been a reoccurring thing in different ways. "You said this", "no I didn't", "yes you did", conversation locked.

People putting words in my mouth and straight up rewriting my intent is something I've always had an issue with and called it out at any moment.

You're being reasonable about it by going, hey you're thread could be taken this way. Yesterday, I was straight up accused of just trying to get one over and lying about it.

And one of the posters above that set the tone here clearly has a bone to pick.

Derbel McDillet - it's not unusual for you to come to these threads frustrated that your threads or wording is misinterpreted.
At a certain point, if it's happening again and again it's likely worth thinking about what you can do differently to make it less likely that happens.
When posting I often ask myself what the least charitable reading of what I'm saying might be and try to head that off, because many users on this site absolutely have an "oh you hate waffles?" issue.

I see what you're getting at, but looking back on those specific instances, I stand by what I said. There's misinterpreting and then there's flat out rewriting. There's getting the clarification and then outright ignoring it. If you do the above, that's your choice, not something for me to correct. You're telling me to be clearer when we're watching my clarification get ignored. This could've been a ticket, but it's not because of the way previous attempts as recent as two weeks ago played out. This isn't a misunderstanding. This is a choice.

We can watch people harp on the same game and troll threads for months and they'll literally tell you they're doing this, but asking what stems that feeling on is what we draw the line that at.

My personal favorite was - let's pretend a word doesn't have different connotations, insist you made it up and then laugh at you when you show examples of other people using that other connotation. But I need to be clearer.

To be blunt, you've made these Community Discussion threads about yourself multiple times now Derbel. In threads outside of this one, you seem to find yourself at the center of attention quite often, and not in a positive way. This doesn't seem to be a problem for anybody else on this website and yet it keeps happening with you.

When something like the below happens,

My personal favorite was - let's pretend a word doesn't have different connotations, insist you made it up and then laugh at you when you show examples of other people using that other connotation.

You don't get to throw it back in my face like I did something wrong there.

Im being blamed for being unclear yet I clearly stated why I'm posting here and not using other avenues.

Part of this stems from other circumstances and previous instances. Some very recent. You suggest writing a ticket. But my last two mod inquiries were just straight up rejected, so I'm just not doing that anymore. Hence the "once again" because this has been a reoccurring thing in different ways. "You said this", "no I didn't", "yes you did", conversation locked.

Your post is a broad tut tut that doesn't have to address what a single one of those issues were. "It's your fault we dogpiled you for saying you'd like to see cover mechanics in Ratchet games." Again, we can go over what each of those instances were.

I have no interest in being the center of attention, but I can point out when I think a decision was unfair or where I don't think rules are applied consistently.

https://thebire.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=378&pid=174484#pid174484 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-justice-department-releases-heavily-redacted-cache-of-jeffrey-epstein-files.1388710/page-53#post-151487989

Makes you wonder how long this shit has been going on with the ruling elite class. They could just be continuing something that's been going on for generations.

Search for "pre-historic product" in the communication between Epstein and Peter Thiel...

(the world's oldest business is another name for it)

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-justice-department-releases-heavily-redacted-cache-of-jeffrey-epstein-files.1388710/page-53#post-151488307

My gut feeling is that the elite have been involved in sex trafficking of children in some form or another pretty much since the beginning of the "ruling class".

It sure comes off that way.


(this is the "prehistoric product" email)

https://jmail.world/thread/EFTA02470755?view=inbox


120 Days of Sodom and Eyes Wide Shut come to mind.

as you probably know I represent the Rothschilds. I was hoping to figure out a way for the bank that has 160 b in mgmt can do something in tech. best client list in the world , prehistoric products.