Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[killamajig]

There's no way that thread stays open. They're going to close it again. 

[Lonewulfeus]

She’s literally lumping the dude with Tourette’s syndrome in with racists who make excuses for their racism when it’s caught.  I’m not surprised, but it’s really brazen. As with all things nepenthe, being black is higher on the progressive stack than having a disability so fuck that racist white asshole purposefully perpetuating capitalism, colonialism, and white supremacy with his “disability”.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tourettes-activist-shouts-n-word-at-michael-b-jordan-delroy-lindo-during-baftas-telecast.1443331/page-3#post-151715269

Is the idea that the thing that triggered him was... seeing a black person?

Yes, that’s exactly how it works.  This is the clinical definition of “trigger” as opposed to the popular use on twitter.

[HaughtyFrank]

This seems incredibly difficult to live with.

The movie the guy was awarded for is all about how it messes up his life so it's really super ironic that this turned into a scandal

[killamajig]

Neppy going hard with her bullshit in that thread 


Inside Neps brain when she posts her screed...

[JoeBoy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tourettes-activist-shouts-n-word-at-michael-b-jordan-delroy-lindo-during-baftas-telecast.1443331/page-2#post-151713952

We are reopening the thread, but this needs to be understood: while this person is suffering from tourettes and that their tics may not be representative of who they are, that does not invalidate the pain and hurt caused by those tics. Anyone trying to brush that aside will be banned.

Locked the thread for 15 hours for massive report processing, banned 1 person for a picture of a dog looking like it’s doing a nazi salute… amazing.  If your user base is mass reporting shit and you don’t find any cause to ban maybe you need to start cracking down on the people who see offense in every single interaction they have?

They needed 15 hours to focus on their line of attack, which shockingly (in no way), is how hurt black people are about it while making this guy’s disability seem like a functional choice.

no matter if it's alzheimers or tourette's seems like that's the one word they never fail to say

Yes, all those dementia patients and Tourette’s sufferers are just lying in wait so they can sling out that one slur they can’t do without. “They curse and slur at other races as well? We know which ones they wanted to do for real.”

[killamajig]

Added three pages since the reopening an hour ago. Looks like Era has some opinions on this topic
Edit:
I was going to quote some good stuff but I'm on mobile and it's too much.

Somebody should screen grab that shit before they nuke it.

[Propagandhim]

Subsequently, white people swooping in to chastise Black people for not giving grace to the white person with the condition are also participating in the dehumanization.

Why are we always supposed to be super understanding when a slur gets thrown our way

Because we aren't full human beings in this society. Our purpose as Black people is to labor and entertain the full human beings for their comfort. If we complain about the conditions of this deal, we're dismissed or discarded.

"Everyone on earth is supposed to understand that the meaningless spasmodic utterances of someone suffering with tourettes syndrome affects us differently than every other group on earth and we are also the only ones with grace." 

Okay, then!

[JoeBoy101]

The use of disability as an excuse for whites to be spared responsibility of dehumanization of Black people, or to chastise Black people for being offended at an obvious display of dehumanization, is however part and parcel of white supremacy.

You see it all the time online the moment someone with a mental health condition gets caught dehumanizing Black people. "I have ADHD/I'm bipolar/I have anxiety." Okay. No one is blaming you for having a mental health condition. We're blaming you for dehumanizing Black people. It's the "You're not at fault for your trauma, but you are responsible for it."

Anxiety and ADHD are the same level as Tourette’s. Okay got it. This is the kinda post that would have gotten a normal poster a couple of months forced break.

[killamajig]

More Dr Nep...

Anxiety absolutely can become debilitating to the point of being a disability. Some such people are my past patients and some of my closest friends, and I don't agree with nor appreciate your dismissal there.

Regardless, I already said I don't hold Davidson responsible. I hold white people responsible for hand waving away the harm that the N-word inherently carries.

He isn't the problem. You all are.

[Propagandhim]

oh my god, she's calling them her patients because she works the cash register at a Walgreens.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tourettes-activist-shouts-n-word-at-michael-b-jordan-delroy-lindo-during-baftas-telecast.1443331/page-3#post-151714255

Official Staff Communication

But you didn't action all the ableism.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tourettes-activist-shouts-n-word-at-michael-b-jordan-delroy-lindo-during-baftas-telecast.1443331/page-3#post-151714948

Context is everything. Nothing can be done here. Mature adults see it for what it is and go about your day.

While this specific situation is unfortunate, what is also unfortunate was that Black people were essentially told by the world at large to merely accept their dehumanization. This is just another instance in a long cultural trend/pattern of white people insisting that they are going to treat Black people as lesser than, because they have a condition, or because they were angry, or because it's not who they are, and that it is Black people are the ones that need to show grace every single time it happens.

The overall response towards Black people being angry that two Black men were called the n-word isn't maturity. It's just white supremacy.

What exactly is the response she would have wanted? Because overwhelmingly I saw people just explain that this guy has an actual mental illness and can't control what he shouts. That's not white supremacy. That's explaining how a shitty situation came to be that no one is really to blame for.

[Colonel Mustard]

Has anyone in that thread suggested that, being the subject of I Swear, Davidson had more of a right to be in attendance than either Jordan or Lindo? 

I think someone making that point would make for productive discussion in that thread.

[TylenolJones]

My only qualm was how did he did acquire the n-word? Apart from that, I have no beef with the man and hope M&D are okay.

newsfeed pls

[Propagandhim]

I'm getting the feeling all this Nepenthe person cares about is endless penance and collective punishment from a group of people she hates.  And she'll just make any argument to rationalize that end! Gee frickin wiz!

[Boredfrom]

While this specific situation is unfortunate, what is also unfortunate was that Black people were essentially told by the world at large to merely accept their dehumanization.

What you want from this specific situation? An apology from BAFTA for daring to bring a disable person to an awards ceremony? Forcing the dude to apologize for something he cannot control and trying to have a normal life? Isn’t tha dehumanizing by itself? 

Yes, it hurts. But there is no a easy answer this time.

[Boredfrom]

My only qualm was how did he did acquire the n-word?

Because he lives in an Anglophone European country and has access to popular media?  You may ask: how does he know that stepping in a mine will blow him out?

[Lonewulfeus]

While this specific situation is unfortunate, what is also unfortunate was that Black people were essentially told by the world at large to merely accept their dehumanization.

What you want from this specific situation? An apology from BAFTA for daring to bring a disable person to an awards ceremony? Forcing the dude to apologize for something he cannot control and trying to have a normal life? Isn’t tha dehumanizing by itself? 

Yes, it hurts. But there is no a easy answer this time.

In hindsight, the event organizers could have better prepared people for the possibility of slurs and what not.  And checking in on the Tourette’s guy or the people who were specifically called slurs probably isn’t too much to ask.

[Boredfrom]

hindsight, the event organizers could have better prepared people for the possibility of slurs and what not.

Maybe for the general public, as the live audience and Davidson acted the best they could after the incident.

[HaughtyFrank]

My only qualm was how did he did acquire the n-word? Apart from that, I have no beef with the man and hope M&D are okay.

newsfeed pls

What I kind of love about this is that during other scandals they'll be like "How can it be that people in Japan aren't aware that showing a black man getting sprayed with a fire hose is an extremely racist image!"

[Besticus Maximus]

I have had many patients and healed many, inside and outside of overwatch 1/2.

[Alpacx]

My only qualm was how did he did acquire the n-word? Apart from that, I have no beef with the man and hope M&D are okay.

newsfeed pls

Kendrick Lamar's fault.

[Uncle]

My only qualm was how did he did acquire the n-word? Apart from that, I have no beef with the man and hope M&D are okay.

newsfeed pls

   

[Greatness Gone]

I think "my past patients" is nearly as good as "take a carrot leave a carrot". Nepenthe is racking up some classics.

[Boredfrom]

The fact that you still haven't been banned for this and your previous posts means this forum truly does not give a shit about ableism.

Agreed and anyone telling black people how to feel here deserve a ban too.

I bet you that loco uses a lot of incredibly racist slurs IRL but feels is okay because is not directed to the people will find them offensive.

Dude is that kind of person.

[Keetongu]

I don't blame the guy with Tourette's, it's a tough condition to have, almost as rough as the anxiety I see in my patients when they come by to buy a cherry coke and a birthday card. I do however blame the entire white race for existing and not yet being exterminated for their evil. I'm a reasonable person.

[Boredfrom]

PlanetSmasher and the Adder are two stupid motherfuckers.

Have you heard the phrase "it's not your fault, but it is your responsibility" before?

I don't know how he handled it after the fact. I don't know whether he's attempted to get i contact with Jordan and/or Lindo. I do know that despite the fact it wasn't his fault it happened, it is his responsibility to do something about it after the fact.

I know that what was supposed to be a great night for him and his cause blew up in his face and may have actually become a setback. I know that this, too, is not his fault. But it is his responsibility to do something to mitigate or even completely turn the situation around.

He did not choose to have tourette's, but he did choose to take on the responsibility of being a public figure in raising awareness about it. That decision is why he was where he was when what happened happened and that decision to take on that responsibility cannot be shirked due to a worst case scenario happening.

To add to this: someone much smarter than me once told me "you can't control how other people react to the things you say and do, but you can control how you react to their reaction".

In this case, Davidson literally cannot control how Lindo or Jordan or any other Black folks impacted by his involuntary tics might react to them - it is their right to react however they feel to what they experience in the moment, and their experiences should not be minimized or sidestepped, but what he can control is what he does about it afterward. How he presents himself and how he wants them to know he feels about the harm he involuntarily caused them.

Even if he's not taking responsibility or more specifically taking personal blame for something he literally can't control, the attempt at outreach would still be something.

He is not apologizing precisely because he is rising awareness about a mental condition.  

“Tourette awareness advocate forced to apologize for something he cannot control.”  

He may do it in private… and that is the key word PRIVATE! You are not entitled to know how he reached the people “affected” even if you are black, they are the ones choosing how to react or not.

[HaughtyFrank]

For those of you who keep quoting me, I'm not saying you shouldn't be upset at racism. I'm saying that if the two mature adults who were there can be tolerant of the thing that this man couldn't control, you can too.

I know this seems like a complex multifaceted issue but I don't think it is.
He either can help it or he can't.
You either blame him or you don't.
He either should have been there or he shouldn't.

Have you heard the phrase "it's not your fault, but it is your responsibility" before?

I don't know how he handled it after the fact. I don't know whether he's attempted to get i contact with Jordan and/or Lindo. I do know that despite the fact it wasn't his fault it happened, it is his responsibility to do something about it after the fact.

I know that what was supposed to be a great night for him and his cause blew up in his face and may have actually become a setback. I know that this, too, is not his fault. But it is his responsibility to do something to mitigate or even completely turn the situation around.

He did not choose to have tourette's, but he did choose to take on the responsibility of being a public figure in raising awareness about it. That decision is why he was where he was when what happened happened and that decision to take on that responsibility cannot be shirked due to a worst case scenario happening.

I don't think he's thinking through how it would go if the guy with Tourette walked up to Michael B Jordan to apologize.

Hint: Good chance he'd say the n-word again

[Boredfrom]

I don't imagine he has many opportunities to call black men out their names in front of an audience of thousands. I also don't imagine that in his private life when he has done it in the company of a few he hasn't apologized.

Furthermore, for someone trying to draw a line between "intend" and "control," you wouldn't possibly be trying to equate any old mundane insult to a slur, would you?

Motherfucker, he told a close friend’s mother that she should die from cancer, called gay people “cigarrillos” and directly insulted the Queen in an event.  

Stupid piece of shit.

[Jansen]

nepenthe makes me wish I had tourette's

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-mens-hockey-team-joke-about-having-to-bring-usas-womens-team-to-white-house-state-of-the-union.1443685/page-3#post-151717336

This is a sport where (in North America) throwing hands is enjoyed by the audience and clubs, because violence is such a manly man way of solving issues. Of course it attracts fascists.