Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

FACT CHECK: Porn before capitalism:

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/paul-tassi-marathon-sale-1-2-m-estimated-sales-70-pc-19-ps5-11-xbs-478k-daus-in-its-first-weekend-it%E2%80%99s-holding-345k-daus-380k-this-past-weekend.1472281/page-4#post-152987533

https://www.resetera.com/threads/paul-tassi-marathon-sale-1-2-m-estimated-sales-70-pc-19-ps5-11-xbs-478k-daus-in-its-first-weekend-it%E2%80%99s-holding-345k-daus-380k-this-past-weekend.1472281/page-5#post-152988103

https://www.resetera.com/threads/paul-tassi-marathon-sale-1-2-m-estimated-sales-70-pc-19-ps5-11-xbs-478k-daus-in-its-first-weekend-it%E2%80%99s-holding-345k-daus-380k-this-past-weekend.1472281/page-6#post-152989804

I clicked to see if anyone was cheering Sony getting out of the PC space now but alas. There is this kind of content however:

The game rules. Glad to see it doing well.

1.2 million in 2 weeks for a game that cost over $100m to make is not "doing well", thats abysmally bad

Just throwing out random budget numbers all over the place in this thread.

This budget can easily be guessed based on Bungie's size and how long they worked on the game. You don't need to be an expert financial analyst to know that 400-700 people living in Seattle working on a game for 5 years adds up to a lot of money.

Thank you for the made-up numbers!

The game costs money to play, which is probably causing a high-level of toxic positivity. It's essentially damage control, and happens with various products

Marathon is supposed to be a long-term game, and if it goes F2P or gets discontinued, then they'll be left with buyer's remorse.

😂

The inversion of values going on in these threads is simply incredible to behold. Yeah, the players enjoying the game are the ones being toxic, uh-huh…

Irony is dead. (And if you can't understand, you literally posted something toxic 4 minutes before the statement about players enjoying the game being toxic).

Thank you for providing a perfect example.

Those numbers are literally made-up. Me pointing that out isn't "toxic".

Regardless, my initial post in this thread was this:

The game rules. Glad to see it doing well.

Which prompted multiple users in here to start 'subtweeting' and psychoanalizing those who were satisfied with the numbers in the OP, as if the people who actually play and like the game are some sort of weird creatures on a petri dish that the all-knowing CCU-watchers are observing from above.

The discourse on Era around this game and Crimson Desert (and many other examples I'm sure) is downright bizarre. The claim is that people who are invested in these games are somehow in denial about their reality - but those making that claim are themselves probably in denial about being addicted to their own negativity.

Glad I'm not the only one noticing these patterns. This is the Internet so these people are abundant. What's lame is people trying to dress up a chronic desire to be negative with critical analysis. It would be easier to just say I don't like a thing, but then it could be dismissed as an individual's opinion and that's not good enough for some people. (before the usual types get offended. I understand everyone that has a critique of Marathon is not being chronically negative)

the dialog and sentiment around this games release is fucking demented.

a real damn shame when the game is actually fantastic.

This is the best game I've played in fucking years. Best new* ip in decades. I sure hope it finds it's legs and audience, because i want to play this for the foreseeable future

Can someone explain to me why is this bad?

I get it that balancing a multi-player game is not easy. Still, they just sold 1.2 millions of a multi-player game with a single mode, only four maps, containing mostly text and audio dialogues for its story. Surely a budget of a game like this must be orders of magnitude less than that of a CoD or a Battlefield

This game isn't an immediate bust and it's obvious some people here are disappointed by that.

edit:

I'm so glad to see the 9/10's and Jeff Gerstmann's 5/5. Reading the CCU thread where vibes are admittedly a bit dire, I thought I was absolutely bonkers for being so addicted to the game.
'Am I just blind to how awful this game is'? I'd wonder to myself.

Really glad to see I'm not crazy, and other people are as addicted as I am.
Sony has all the numbers - they're in a Demon's souls / NMS / Rainbow 6 siege situation with Marathon. Slow initial uptake, but with a dedicated, passionate and evangelising fanbase that can hopefully grow the game over time.

edit edit: Lots of comparisons to Siege in that thread, I don't think they realize that Siege was basically a skunkworks project rushed out in the wake of the massive failure of Patriots. It had a small, even for the era, team, was multiplayer only with pretty limited content and didn't even get two full years of development. At which point it still bombed until they put out the $15 version and supplied massive amounts of content.

Plus the version of Siege that exists now, and has existed for some time, doesn't even really use the destruction that the original release did. There's a reason that original house map is still the only one that can be nearly entirely leveled and they've removed destruction from a lot of older maps. From the same people's comments about Marathon being the best game ever because it's unforgiving, I doubt they want Bungie to make it way more casual as was done to Siege. Siege is "hardcore" like CS is, only in comparison to CoD.

[Boredfrom]

Who would have thought that an extraction FPS would be more popular on PC?

[Boredfrom]

that's the kind of thing where some crazy man on an ancient media preservation forum buried seven layers deep on the internet has an aneurism and embarks on an immediate cross-country journey to save those tapes and digitize them because no one has ever found a complete copy of Musky Madams 3, and if it has the promos at the beginning that's even rarer and more valuable

You are joking, but there is a market for this. See Vinegar syndrome.

[filler]

wow, you guys are really so much wiser and intelligent than those gay retards 

[benji]

retards 

I'd elaborate with examples on your continued need for, as Lonewulfeus pointed out about Blueball (and often like another person you quoted here), a complete refusal to engage with what anyone actually posted versus shadowboxing people you've made up so they'll always say what you wished but instead I think it's important to focus on how you clearly can't truly be on team lilpoptart when you use such language as this. That just makes clear you're a factually incorrect Nazi.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/yoshi-p-says-younger-players-havent-had-the-chance-to-connect-with-final-fantasy-as-the-release-intervals-for-new-titles-have-gotten-longer.1470157/page-11#post-152941927

 User Banned (1 Week): Antagonizing Fellow Members; Metacommentary; Concern Trolling; Account in Junior Phase

So Mat Piscatella says that 77% of US Rebirth players were 30+
62% were 35+
https://www.xcancel.com/Genki_JPN/status/2036132313164292594?s=20

What resetera considers to be "the games industry" is entirely isolated to millennials who are beginning to age out entirely, and who are not being replaced by Gen Z and Gen A in any significant quantity.

Going to be an extremely harsh future for those on this forum who's big idea for saving the games biz is essentially "going back to 2010 when games were actually good" or similar copes.

It's fucking hilarious watching the Millennials getting the same treatment from the Zs they gave us Gen Xers for the past decade or more.

[benji]

It's called having empathy you literal Nazi piece of shit.

but not for women.

Actual women, not TERFs or chuds or "wives/girlfriends" with false consciousness.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

FACT CHECK: Porn before capitalism:

anyone seen fat4all in the same area?

[benji]

anyone seen fat4all in the same area?

This is exactly the kind of hate against women Gavin Newsom* spreads that we need journalists like Grace to push back against.

*Not that Harris, Buttigieg, Shapiro or Kelly are acceptable either.

[jooseloose]

New warning resin just dropped https://www.resetera.com/threads/cohh-carnage-%E2%80%9Cjournalists-are-just-a-machine-to-pump-out-articles%E2%80%9D-and-%E2%80%9Cdon%E2%80%99t-understand%E2%80%9D-what-crimson-desert-is.1472485/post-152999611

User warned: drive-by posting, if you want to drop an accusation like this then provide evidence

If this was applied fairly to everyone then Etcetera would be a ghost town.

[JoeBoy101]

New warning resin just dropped https://www.resetera.com/threads/cohh-carnage-%E2%80%9Cjournalists-are-just-a-machine-to-pump-out-articles%E2%80%9D-and-%E2%80%9Cdon%E2%80%99t-understand%E2%80%9D-what-crimson-desert-is.1472485/post-152999611

User warned: drive-by posting, if you want to drop an accusation like this then provide evidence

If this was applied fairly to everyone then Etcetera would be a ghost town.

Influencers more positive than reviews? Unheard of in a culture of free codes and early access for good press.

Am I missing something here? Like is this a subtle jab at the gaming press or does this parasite host actually believe this doesn’t happen with gaming journalists?

[Daffy Duck]

Imagine the screaming outrage if this article were about women.

Imagine a critic writing, with a straight face, that one of a franchise's "sincere pleasures" is watching "beautiful women get hurt." Imagine them lingering over their bodies, their injuries, their helplessness, their sounds, their animations, their vulnerability, then dressing it up in the dead language of media theory so it sounds respectable. It would be torn to shreds, and rightly so. People would call it creepy, fetishistic, and pathetic.

But swap in men, and suddenly it is meant to pass for insight.

That is the real joke here. Not that the article notices horror has bodies in it, or that Resident Evil is interested in injury, mutation, and physical peril. Anyone with eyes could tell you that. The joke is that it mistakes its own thirsty projection for serious criticism. It takes a series built on body horror, contamination, dread, and survival, then reduces it to "what if getting mauled was sexy though?" That is not analysis. That is a kink wearing a lanyard.

The whole thing collapses under the most basic test imaginable: replace men with women. If the headline, framing, and tone would instantly sound sleazy and indefensible with female characters, then they are sleazy and indefensible here, too. Equality does not mean inventing new excuses for objectification because the target happens to be male. A double standard does not become sophisticated just because someone writes "homoerotic" and "permeability" a few times.

What makes it worse is the smugness. There is this exhausting modern-critic habit of treating the most obvious projection in the world as though it were a buried truth the rest of us were too unsophisticated to notice. Leon Kennedy, being an attractive character, is not a revelation. Horror mixing fear, gore, desire, and vulnerability is not a revelation. But deciding that Resident Evil is fundamentally about the pleasure of watching beautiful men suffer says far more about the writer's own fixation than it does about the games.

At a certain point, the article stops analysing the gaze and becomes the gaze itself. It is not critiquing objectification. It indulges in it, then congratulates itself for being clever enough to notice what it is doing. That is what makes it so irritating. It wants the thrill of voyeurism and the moral prestige of criticism at the same time.

And underneath all the pseudo-intellectual varnish, the argument is embarrassingly thin. Resident Evil is not "about" eroticised male suffering any more than Alien is "about" workplace flirtation because people sweat and gasp in confined spaces. It is a horror series obsessed with the instability of the body, the terror of infection, and the panic of trying to stay alive while flesh fails you. To flatten all that into a smirking catalogue of Leon grunting, coughing, being tied up, and looking good while doing it is less like criticism than a teenager discovering subtext for the first time and refusing to shut up about it.

And once again, because it deserves to be repeated: if this exact article were written about women, careers would be ending over it. There would be no indulgent applause for its "provocative reading." There would be no pretending it was saying something daring about genre. Everyone would recognise it instantly as the ugly little spectacle it is. The fact that some people cannot recognise that same ugliness when the subject is male says everything about the state of current criticism and nothing flattering about it.

This is not brave. It is not incisive. It is not even especially interesting. It is just the same old objectifying gaze, repackaged in academic wrapping paper and sold back as intelligence.

 User Banned (Permanent): Display name contains bible names 

Era is that insane I had to actually look at the thread to make sure that wasn’t a real ban message, because on Era it could well be

[Uncle]

in fact buddy remains SAFE despite going against the grain 

[Potato]

New warning resin just dropped https://www.resetera.com/threads/cohh-carnage-%E2%80%9Cjournalists-are-just-a-machine-to-pump-out-articles%E2%80%9D-and-%E2%80%9Cdon%E2%80%99t-understand%E2%80%9D-what-crimson-desert-is.1472485/post-152999611

User warned: drive-by posting, if you want to drop an accusation like this then provide evidence

If this was applied fairly to everyone then Etcetera would be a ghost town.

How about if we applied that standard to fucking games journalists?

[Disco55]

That post is entirely accurate and you can tell just from what things get threads and how long threads live. Some of the biggest new titles get zero attention from Era, and franchises from the 1990s get fifty threads and thousands of posts. Era, hell back to GAF, Call of Duty has never received the forum's attention compared to the industry's, and many of the people who do play it on there only play the campaign. Even before Warzone, MP and Zombies was what most gamers actually played.

I'm certainly not in touch with modern gamers but I can see what's trending on Steam or Google Play for example. Because Steam is ordered by revenue, the "traditional" capital-G Gamer game gets outsized boosts from being $60+, yet it often loses spots to stuff that trends with zero hype probably just because streamers and/or YouTubers are playing it. Sometimes it's funny just to see what porn slop outsells stuff Era cares about.

One of the best things as well is that on Steam at least you don't need to have super realistic i can see the pores of my skin graphics to succeed, which i think is one of the big problems as to why Triple AAA takes forever to make nowadays. I think for the kids who grew up on stuff like Roblox, Minecraft, and Fortnite is that they don't care if the games don't have the best graphics in the world.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cohh-carnage-“journalists-are-just-a-machine-to-pump-out-articles”-and-“don’t-understand”-what-crimson-desert-is.1472485/

And it does seem Crimson Deserts is yet another game that has put itself in that position of they versus them like a Stellar Blade or a Wukong.

Weird how gamers all wish to have all their gaming coverage done by people who get directly paid by studios to have ad streams.
Seriously, gamers are so fucking anti intellectual, gamergate never died.

Crimson Desert is at a 78 on Metacritic, that is not a bad score, why do some fans of this game and other eastern developed games like Wukong and Stellar Blade have such a huge persecution complex?

For a forum that hates gaslighting, they sure love trying to gaslight everyone into “chuds love this games because uninformed and irrational reasons.” They never accept that the reason why people are hyper defensive of those games is because how they were viciously attacked because some dumb culture war shit to begin with. But because those games are successful, they pretend they don’t get it “it got a good score, why so defensive?”.  

I don’t even have any interest on Crimson Desert and I feel the mid scores are not unearned, but they love to play the victim game, just like they decry the “gamer chuds” are doing.

[Besticus Maximus]

An important part of an inclusive games bonfire is making sure that those simple cunts over there who don’t know any better fail when they don’t get on message 

[Nintex]

I'm seeing a couple of trends.

- Multiplatform is declining because most games can be played everywhere and consoles are expensive. Few people own both a PlayStation and Xbox
- People (mostly 30+) are tired of having to achieve the "best" experience with drivers, GPU upgrades, Pro consoles etc. more time is spend trying to get the best settings than actually playing (In fact, old systems like the Xbox 360 and Nintendo 3DS are in demand because of their simplicity)
- Everyone is cutting back costs which means subscription services like GamePass go first
- Consoles cost at least $500 which means a big market has been priced out of traditional gaming
- Gaming streamers have moved on to different topics: current events, politics, lifestyle, they are no longer promoting products they themselves are the product

Switch 2 is in a very strong position but production has also been cut back 30% because the demand is lower than expected in the US.
It is catching up sales wise for core games quickly though. Resident Evil on Switch 2 outsold Resident Evil on Xbox. 

In Japan Nintendo eats a loss of about ~$160 per Switch 2 as they sell it for $300 there. 

Overall though, I expect only the big names like Zelda, Mario, Resident Evil will remain. What already is declining like Final Fantasy and Sonic will decline further and what is already dead like Need for Speed will remain dead. The remasters mostly sell to the same audience, they're not really expanding the audience. 

The market will consolidate around Switch 2/PlayStation/Steam and within those ecosystems more consolidation will happen. I just don't see how in current market conditions Microsoft can make something like Gears of War relevant again or how the next Mass Effect will do any better than Andromeda. My gym bro (24) plays lots of games but he doesn't know what Metroid or Metal Gear Solid is, apart from the characters in Smash Bros. . When Metroid Prime 3 came out he was 5 years old. People make fun of Nintendo for explaining everything in their Directs, like gameplay, stories, who is Donkey Kong??? etc. but I think that's really helping them sell this stuff compared to : "Here is a new Gear of War!", "Mega Man is coming to Sonic Racing Crossworlds!" or "Here is the entire backlog of Ubisoft classics like Splinter Cell and Rayman 2!".

[Taco Bell Tower]

Alright fellas can we lighten up on the Forspoken shit talk? I'm gonna have to report this derail to Benji it if keeps up...because ya'll are hurting my feelings. 

You joke but some furry Ree made a post like this.  He was so angry and crying that if people didn't stop posting negative things about Forspoken he would request a self ban 

[BIONIC]

Alright fellas can we lighten up on the Forspoken shit talk? I'm gonna have to report this derail to Benji it if keeps up...because ya'll are hurting my feelings. 

You joke but some furry Ree made a post like this.  He was so angry and crying that if people didn't stop posting negative things about Forspoken he would request a self ban 

What if I told you that old Dave here is that same furry ree?

[NeppyNep]

That Resident Evil article is creepy. Typical Era idiots rushing in to try and play the “well how do you think women have felt being fetishized in gaming since forever!?” trap card and…those articles by the dude bros were also creepy and embarrassing. Both things can be true.

[Jansen]

They're going apeshit in Constructive today

You're the one defaulting to bans and threadbans, not me. There are multiple levels between laissez-faire and bans, like warnings, mod interventions just by posting in a thread, and creating more awareness in general. People love to point out that mods can destroy a community, I think the opposite is also valid.

I don't buy the state of the world being an excuse for our conversations to end up the way they do. People don't read, people see headline, jump to conclusions are ready to pick a fight based off preconceived notions they already have. I'm watching it happen live in at least 5 threads right now. Ironically, you don't even need to click the current Nintendo and Valve threads to know how they're going, but if you want to participate in good faith, you should still read them starting with the OP and then be baffled by all the comments that clearly didn't and realize there's no reason to point this stuff out because it's intentional at this point.

There are a lot of posts here where I ask myself if these people would have the balls to behave this way in person. We all need to stop and think about what we're posting. And sometimes just not post at all if what you have to contribute is low effort and adversarial.

Many posters on Era are very online, very politically informed (which isn't a recipe for happiness in 2026), prone to think that winning an online argument is somehow meaningful to the world, and also, in many cases lonely. That's a combination that leads to everything being ramped up to 11 most of the time.

This and the relative anonymity of forum spaces add up to a lot of people just being jerks for the sake of it. Guess you can get your win here that you can't get in the real world

Agreed. Luckily there are still a lot of cool people who are great to interact with. The forum can be dire at times, but it has its moments which keep us coming back at least.

This is one of the few relative "safer" spaces online at this point for talking about various issues, so that is also a factor. More people here feel more confident and posting their natural feelings than most other places.

Yea thankfully there are still plenty of great posters on the site

I think about this a lot. Something you see her constantly in these types of threads is the phrase "need to be held accountable" about whichever rich dude or celebrity is the topic in question. Like someone will make a thread about how the CEO of Subway has a super cute kitten named Meatball that's been stealing cookies and when the inevitable eat the rich arguments start you will see "why are some of you so against holding these people accountable?". It's always weird to me because how is this holding anyone accountable? The CEO isn't reading the thread. Nobody is changing their political philosophy based on this. It's a wacky feel good thread that will be forgotten in like, 8 hours. Occasionally someone will make the case that it's important to bring these things up to educate people who don't know the topic person is problematic. Maybe? I guess I can't say that has never happened...but to be frank I think that's bullshit and they just want to yell on the internet. I'm definitely confident it's caused more bad feelings and negativity for people on this forum than educated people about someone being problematic which lead to consequences to the problematic individual. So I think the "holding them accountable" thing is nonsense and a one of the biggest problems here.



I don't know what the solution is, but add me to the list of people who think this place can be miserable and it can literally be anxiety inducing to post my hot takes. Not a great feeling for something that is meant to be fun.

Nah there's plenty of people, some posts on this very thread, saying "how dare people post X, era is supposed to be a progressive forum. It's a moral imperative to shout down anyone committing wrongthink"

I think it's completely fair and understandable to not be able to enjoy "CEO has a cute kitten" topic, but I think the solution is to simply not post and ignore the thread, rather than destroying everybody elses fun. Sometimes a topic just isn't for you, we gotta be able to walk away without stinking up the place first.

Can we get a staff post on the "IDF tortures Palestinian toddler" thread regarding comparisons to Nazis? Because as more genocidal actions pile up, people are going to be more inclined to draw those comparisons. If it's a matter of phrasing(like "these guys aren't even regular Nazis"), it would be helpful have guidance to spell that out because right now people are getting upset and more upset that they can't voice that for fear of getting banned.



As is, it seems to have only turned up the pressure.

In my opinion, the issue with the community is neither negativity nor positivity. It's that in most even vaguely contentious threads, on both the gaming and off-topic side, emotions run so high and people go so fast to the extreme sides of any argument that any possibility for nuance and meaningful discussion is destroyed within the first few posts. Even though the demographics of the forum say otherwise, sometimes it's genuinely hard to believe that this is a community largely comprised of adults.

It's like people mostly joined here in their early 20s and are stuck in a state of arrested development.

Yeah tbh I don't get it either. People on the regular here (rightfully) call basically every republican (and some dems) nazis with no pushback. I don't see why it's not applicable or allowed for discussing the IDF.

True, although my heart tends to sink on the rare occasions I see a notification telling me that someone has quoted one of my posts. It's a nice surprise if I discover that somebody isn't simply being argumentative but also quite telling that I expect trouble by default.







I think it's endemic to the community of active posters here at this point, at least the ones that aren't siloed in specific megathreads. I can't really see how it could be solved. I do wonder how many people are sitting on the sidelines here these days, simply keeping up to date with things but actively avoiding hassle.

It's one of the very specific call-outs in the rules posted in the General Guide to Resetera

[url unfurl=true]https://www.resetera.com/threads/general-guide-to-resetera.9777/[/url]





Unless and until that changes I expect the comparisons will still be bannable offenses.

because of a whole heap of (recent) historical context that makes it a racist dogwhistle, and the posters saying it know that.



the atrocities committed by the IDF and Israel's leadership should be condemned at every turn and it's been such a good thing (unfortunately due to horrific circumstances) that in recent years the propoganda machine finally broke and regular people started to see the situation for what it is... but with that has come a lot of suspect rhetoric in online spaces including era where it's like folks were waiting for antisemitism to become acceptable in leftist spaces.



when the australian beach terror attack happened the response from many of the posters was just a few words away from saying the perpetrators were justified in attacking jews because israel.

I get where the moderation team is coming from. But when we have Holocaust scholars and Israeli figures drawing parallels between the IDF's conduct and the historical Nazis I can't help but think that the guideline requires an update. Anti-semitism is obviously unacceptable and heinous. Criticizing the actions of a fascistic and genocidal state's military arm actively engaging in an ethnic cleansing campaign and constantly committing war crimes should not be seen as anti-semitism by default. I suppose some posters use the comparison precisely because they believe Israel "should know better" than to act in the way it does.



In threads like that there are often comments along the lines of " 'Never again' only for Israel, but not for other genocides". I'm wondering if that is also an actionable offense.

These rules feels very dated and need to be updated. Specifically the 'Nazi' comparison rule and the "right to exist" rule. No nation has a "right to exist", people do, not arbitrary borders. It feels like a liberal nationalist sentiment, especially in the context of Israel being an expansionist imperial nation now. Why should we pretend they have a "right to exist" as they are right now? It's nonsense.

I think you don't understand the consequences of trying to remove that one when the US has pushed the arbitrary borders in cases of talking about annexing Canada and Greenland.

The US shouldn't have that same "right" either. And I'm an American saying that. Should be crystal clear what I'm talking about. Let me put it this way: Nobody is saying "Russia has a right to exist" during it's invasion in Ukraine. Why? Because it's a frivolous argument to make and many people who rightfully oppose that sentiment. What right does "existence" give to a nation?

It does not matter that the US has a right to exist or not, i'm saying that there are currently posters in this forum that would HATE receiving the argument that their countries have no intrinsic right to exist, with the current different geopolitical clusterfucks happening and invasions, even if the original poster was talking about the ppl attacking and not the ppl being attacked. It's something that will cut deep for some ppl, and will def cause conversations in threads to degrade.

I don't think this is a great discussion to have here lol. But simply put… where do you expect people to live if not in a country? This is a ridiculous argument. Countries exist because people have to be somewhere.

I still don't entirely with the rule in place but so be it. I just feel it stifles some conversations that are worth having but if it makes a few people more comfortable, whatever

I didn't realize that was in as a rule, and ofcourse do completely understand how the context led that to be the case, but as Vaenyr stated, it feels like the new context of what is Israel has done and is doing to Palestinians, and now as well in Lebanon, the direct comparison now in fact has legitimate backup to it by historians. I'm not gonna argue that it should be completely over turned or changed, but it should be a discussion.



Also



I feel like the fact that it has been completely allowed and accepted (understandably) to call Stephen Miller (Jewish) Goebbels and consistently as a nazi, it can add to the conflicts of this rule. I'm saying this genuinely...I just feel like these rules should be looked at with newer context in general.

There are a million words and descriptions that can be used to describe Israel and its atrocities. It seems reasonable, given history, to not use that particular one word.

I get the concern about anti-Semites trying to worm their way in through any crack they can, and there are some choices of specific language that makes me raise an eyebrow(ex: "actually worse than this or that Nazi group"), but as ClickCal' said: With atrocities piling up and Jewish historians weighing in, the language in the rules might need an adjustment. Not to allow antisemitism to sneak in but to let people confront the subject honestly and not having to second guess themselves when grappling with an extremely upsetting topic.



As is, I feel like people that were angry in the now closed thread are left wondering how they're supposed to talk about this at all and the tension is only further raised.







I'm in that subset, with the stance that genocide is something one is either "adamantly against" or "actually okay with happening", nothing in-between.

As a single collective term for everything they are doing, I'm not sure there is? I guess genocide is accurate as a collective term but I'm not sure everything is covered under that in terms of what their beliefs and values are, coupled with the racism, propaganda, colonialism etc.

When Israel and their propagandists invoke the Holocaust and describe their enemies as Nazis to justify their actions, I think it's entirely reasonable to use that language describing Israel.

It seems reasonable, but the effects of it are not. People aren't flippantly trying to pull a Godwin here. Any number of atrocities going back to Israel's first establishment have been downplayed, excused, and erased from the record due to what went on with the Nazis. It is precisely because of history that we can't go along with that. The whole point of recognizing parallels are to prevent things from getting to the level of death camps (What level are we even at?). Israel currently uses the Holocaust as a shield to protect themselves from any and all criticism while it commits outright extermination and territorial expansion.



I am all for encouraging exercising extreme caution when making that comparison. Maybe even autoflagging it for review. But outright banning the comparison? No. Whose fault is it that the comparisons ar
e apt in the first place? Whose feelings are we trying to protect and at whose expense?



Yeah, it's heavy for just a gaming forum. But insofar as things of this caliber can be discussed at all, how can we restrict ourselves from language that even Israeli historians are using?

[Taco Bell Tower]

Alright fellas can we lighten up on the Forspoken shit talk? I'm gonna have to report this derail to Benji it if keeps up...because ya'll are hurting my feelings. 

You joke but some furry Ree made a post like this.  He was so angry and crying that if people didn't stop posting negative things about Forspoken he would request a self ban 

What if I told you that old Dave here is that same furry ree?

[Ethan]

OpenAI to introduce ads to all ChatGPT free and Go users in US

It has started

Costco releases Kirkland branded energy drink line.

https://www.mensfitness.com/news/costco-debuts-new-kirkland-energy-drink

Looks like a Celcius knockoff lol. Price looks unbeatable

https://www.resetera.com/threads/costco-releases-kirkland-branded-energy-drink-line.1472641/#post-153006004

[Boredfrom]

When Israel and their propagandists invoke the Holocaust and describe their enemies as Nazis to justify their actions, I think it's entirely reasonable to use that language describing Israel.

Can I call you Nazi? You guys called everyone you dislike a Nazi all the time before you suddenly discovered anti semitism.

[Shecky Fragbaum]

New warning resin just dropped https://www.resetera.com/threads/cohh-carnage-%E2%80%9Cjournalists-are-just-a-machine-to-pump-out-articles%E2%80%9D-and-%E2%80%9Cdon%E2%80%99t-understand%E2%80%9D-what-crimson-desert-is.1472485/post-152999611

User warned: drive-by posting, if you want to drop an accusation like this then provide evidence

If this was applied fairly to everyone then Etcetera would be a ghost town.

"It wouldn't surprise me if..." followed by some random salacious accusation is usually accepted as suitable evidence for dismissing sources as chuds.

Bdubs: "Why are y'all like this?!" x infinity etc.

[Disco55]

OpenAI to introduce ads to all ChatGPT free and Go users in US

It has started

Costco releases Kirkland branded energy drink line.

https://www.mensfitness.com/news/costco-debuts-new-kirkland-energy-drink

Looks like a Celcius knockoff lol. Price looks unbeatable

https://www.resetera.com/threads/costco-releases-kirkland-branded-energy-drink-line.1472641/#post-153006004

They don't have Adblock like everyone else?

[Boredfrom]

It seems reasonable, but the effects of it are not. People aren't flippantly trying to pull a Godwin here. Any number of atrocities going back to Israel's first establishment have been downplayed, excused, and erased from the record due to what went on with the Nazis. It is precisely because of history that we can't go along with that. The whole point of recognizing parallels are to prevent things from getting to the level of death camps (What level are we even at?). Israel currently uses the Holocaust as a shield to protect themselves from any and all criticism while it commits outright extermination and territorial expansion.



I am all for encouraging exercising extreme caution when making that comparison. Maybe even autoflagging it for review. But outright banning the comparison? No. Whose fault is it that the comparisons ar
e apt in the first place? Whose feelings are we trying to protect and at whose expense?



Yeah, it's heavy for just a gaming forum. But insofar as things of this caliber can be discussed at all, how can we restrict ourselves from language that even Israeli historians

You stupid assholes pull a Godwin all the time before you cared about Israel, and you even got offended when pointed out. And you use the same excuse of “but they are acting like Nazis”  . What is more exasperating for all people with brains is that you guys genuinely don’t give two shits about “The Genocide”  because there has been other examples of modern genocides in countries like Iran and China that you guys just love to dismiss as “whataboutism”. 

People were able to criticize Israel for years, believe or not, you don’t use Nazi for everything you dislike.

[Boredfrom]

(and often like another person you quoted here)