Kulturkampf

[HaughtyFrank]

The absolute brain rot

[Nintex]

Their bloodlust reads like the shit people were saying about Middle East in the 2000s…and 2023, with far right guys wanting to nuke Gaza.

Sometimes I wonder though, what if Cheney and Rumsfeld had convinced Bush to nuke Afghanistan after 9/11 and the planned rocket shield to cover Europe was finished.

Would that have shown the radical Islamists not to fuck with the west or Israel ever again? 
Would that have been the end of it instead of these failed attempts based on the idea of "I can fix her" with regards to the radical Islam?
Because we've been doing this song and dance for 22 years now and despite all the attempts to do things differently we find ourselves at the same outcome.

[Potato]

Fundamentalist religion of any kind is incompatible with liberal democracy.

How do we expect people who operate under medieval cultural norms to interact on a civilised basis?

[benji]

Their bloodlust reads like the shit people were saying about Middle East in the 2000s…and 2023, with far right guys wanting to nuke Gaza.

Sometimes I wonder though, what if Cheney and Rumsfeld had convinced Bush to nuke Afghanistan after 9/11 and the planned rocket shield to cover Europe was finished.

Would that have shown the radical Islamists not to fuck with the west or Israel ever again? 
Would that have been the end of it instead of these failed attempts based on the idea of "I can fix her" with regards to the radical Islam?
Because we've been doing this song and dance for 22 years now and despite all the attempts to do things differently we find ourselves at the same outcome.

I don't know whether to sarcastically ask what the point of nuking Afghanistan is or focus on the part where you want to slaughter civilians for having a shitty religion exactly as they want.

[Nintex]

They want to die for their god, so they don't stop when you fight them in a conventional war. They simply see it as a means to lure in more unbelievers and jews to kill. They want to go out in a blaze of glory and kill as many people as possible to get their virgins in heaven. 

If they know that provoking the US / Israel means they come to fight, they have a chance to carry out their Jihad.
However there is no heroic warriors death if they are vaporized by a nuclear blast and no land left to conquer for decades either.

So would the total destruction of the Al Qaida camps with nuclear weapons have put the fear of god into all the Jihadis?

[benji]

What could go wrong with agreeing to and deliberately escalating a holy war?

[PhoenixDark]

I support Palestinians and sympathize with being forced to either experience a slow death/genocide or to go out blasting on your feet. But terrorism is...terrorism. Killing kids is wrong, full stop. It's good to see that the US govt and much of the world is starting to push back on Israel's bombing campaign and potential occupation of Gaza. If beheading babies is wrong, surely blowing babies to smithereens from miles away is wrong too. 

The thing I wonder about in the US is whether this is the mask off moment concerning certain people on the left. If you argue that the oppressed should murder their oppressors by any means, or that colonizers are not civilians (thus can be targeted for retribution in a revolutionary act)...you are literally arguing that white people should be killed. And at some point, leftist white people are going to have to reconcile with that. And while I'd imagine this will turn off some of them, ultimately it just gives many what they really want: another level of self guilt to attain, another level of extremism to reach, and another means of casting themselves as the Superior Ally because they're willing to be executed die for the cause.

We're not talking about slaves willing their masters in 1854 or something. This is complete insanity. I suppose the good news is that most of these folks are effete losers who dislike guns, so you guys are safe.

[RetiredSkunk]

They're already tweeting about wanting to be killed by native Americans.

[RetiredSkunk]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hateful-and-cowardly-flinders-st-train-protest-probed-after-nazi-salutes-antisemitic-threats-20231014-p5ec8j.html

Resetera Sidney?

[HaughtyFrank]

I support Palestinians and sympathize with being forced to either experience a slow death/genocide or to go out blasting on your feet. But terrorism is...terrorism. Killing kids is wrong, full stop. It's good to see that the US govt and much of the world is starting to push back on Israel's bombing campaign and potential occupation of Gaza. If beheading babies is wrong, surely blowing babies to smithereens from miles away is wrong too. 

The thing I wonder about in the US is whether this is the mask off moment concerning certain people on the left. If you argue that the oppressed should murder their oppressors by any means, or that colonizers are not civilians (thus can be targeted for retribution in a revolutionary act)...you are literally arguing that white people should be killed. And at some point, leftist white people are going to have to reconcile with that. And while I'd imagine this will turn off some of them, ultimately it just gives many what they really want: another level of self guilt to attain, another level of extremism to reach, and another means of casting themselves as the Superior Ally because they're willing to be executed die for the cause.

We're not talking about slaves willing their masters in 1854 or something. This is complete insanity. I suppose the good news is that most of these folks are effete losers who dislike guns, so you guys are safe.

This reminds me of a study that showed that white liberals are the only group that views other races more 'warmly' than their own race

Remarkably, white liberals were the only subgroup exhibiting a pro-outgroup bias — meaning white liberals were more favorable toward nonwhites and are the only group to show this preference for groups other than their own. Indeed, on average, white liberals rated ethnic and racial minority groups 13 points (or half a standard deviation) warmer than whites.

https://prlicari.medium.com/white-liberals-view-other-races-more-warmly-than-they-do-whites-why-c7886d356af5

And obviously there are reasons to view whiteness more critically but I don't think it's a healthy process when it leads into this selfhating, white savior, martyrdom thing. And since this is such an anomaly compared to all the other races, it instantly makes me question how honest these people even are or if it's just a way to signal that they're "one of the good ones" among other white liberals.

[Eric Cartman]

Remarkably, white liberals were the only subgroup exhibiting a pro-outgroup bias — meaning white liberals were more favorable toward nonwhites and are the only group to show this preference for groups other than their own. Indeed, on average, white liberals rated ethnic and racial minority groups 13 points (or half a standard deviation) warmer than whites.

              white supremacy?
                 /

[Potato]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hateful-and-cowardly-flinders-st-train-protest-probed-after-nazi-salutes-antisemitic-threats-20231014-p5ec8j.html

Resetera Sidney?

Melbourne.

Also, when the neo-Nazis are on your side, maybe you've chosen the wrong side...

[benji]

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

[Nintex]

Remarkably, white liberals were the only subgroup exhibiting a pro-outgroup bias — meaning white liberals were more favorable toward nonwhites and are the only group to show this preference for groups other than their own. Indeed, on average, white liberals rated ethnic and racial minority groups 13 points (or half a standard deviation) warmer than whites.

              white supremacy?
                 /

That's easy to explain

White women 
 "I guess I'll work overtime so I can take the family to Disneyland"

    
"Isn't Bob home early tonight?"
"Don't worry baby, he's probably working overtime again. He doesn't give me any attention"
"What a nerd"

White men
    "Another emergency Business Trip on our anniversary? Am I too old, don't you love me anymore?"

 

White non-binaries

 "Ugh, no.... I'm not dating another colonizer"
"que?"

[PhoenixDark]

I support Palestinians and sympathize with being forced to either experience a slow death/genocide or to go out blasting on your feet. But terrorism is...terrorism. Killing kids is wrong, full stop. It's good to see that the US govt and much of the world is starting to push back on Israel's bombing campaign and potential occupation of Gaza. If beheading babies is wrong, surely blowing babies to smithereens from miles away is wrong too. 

The thing I wonder about in the US is whether this is the mask off moment concerning certain people on the left. If you argue that the oppressed should murder their oppressors by any means, or that colonizers are not civilians (thus can be targeted for retribution in a revolutionary act)...you are literally arguing that white people should be killed. And at some point, leftist white people are going to have to reconcile with that. And while I'd imagine this will turn off some of them, ultimately it just gives many what they really want: another level of self guilt to attain, another level of extremism to reach, and another means of casting themselves as the Superior Ally because they're willing to be executed die for the cause.

We're not talking about slaves willing their masters in 1854 or something. This is complete insanity. I suppose the good news is that most of these folks are effete losers who dislike guns, so you guys are safe.

This reminds me of a study that showed that white liberals are the only group that views other races more 'warmly' than their own race

Remarkably, white liberals were the only subgroup exhibiting a pro-outgroup bias — meaning white liberals were more favorable toward nonwhites and are the only group to show this preference for groups other than their own. Indeed, on average, white liberals rated ethnic and racial minority groups 13 points (or half a standard deviation) warmer than whites.

https://prlicari.medium.com/white-liberals-view-other-races-more-warmly-than-they-do-whites-why-c7886d356af5

And obviously there are reasons to view whiteness more critically but I don't think it's a healthy process when it leads into this selfhating, white savior, martyrdom thing. And since this is such an anomaly compared to all the other races, it instantly makes me question how honest these people even are or if it's just a way to signal that they're "one of the good ones" among other white liberals.

They also tend to grow out of it after marriage and children. Stable incomes and white suburban schools tend to convince them to vote republican, whether they're public about it or not. A major reason Trump lost in 2020 was due to him bleeding so much support amongst those white suburban women, many of whom were quite liberal 10-30 years ago. 

I'm liberal, I live in one of the most liberal non-major cities in the country. Biden got 72% of the vote here, the University Of Michigan campus is here, lots of college kids etc. So my issue is not that I'm some conservative dude shitting on the left. My issue is there's this clear ideological dead end here that connects to just about everything that's discussed in this thread. So much of this shit (weird diversity pushes, disingenuous attacks on films/television not being diverse enough, strange anti-white sentiments, disdain for family structure, anti-marriage sentiments, etc) are coming from the same group of far left white women who have an insane amount of influence on academia and culture. 

This is not an isolated event or trivial group of people. It's a large group of people who are so afraid of being accused of racism/white privilege/lack of female perspective/etc that it has completely altered their personalities and behaviors. And when everyone is trying to be the Superior White Ally by tearing down other white people for insufficient purity you get a lot of asterisks and editorial notes and second guessing and...fear.

[HaughtyFrank]

This is not an isolated event or trivial group of people. It's a large group of people who are so afraid of being accused of racism/white privilege/lack of female perspective/etc that it has completely altered their personalities and behaviors. And when everyone is trying to be the Superior White Ally by tearing down other white people for insufficient purity you get a lot of asterisks and editorial notes and second guessing and...fear.

The guy gets bonus points for not knowing that Cleopatra was Greek. So compared to literal brownface, Elizabeth Taylor is actually pretty good casting.

[benji]

The guy gets bonus points for not knowing that Cleopatra was Greek. So compared to literal brownface, Elizabeth Taylor is actually pretty good casting.

Stop whitecishetwashing history, Cleopatra was clearly Black as the Netflix documentary showed. And Greeks were Black anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Athena but just like 70mm the white supremacist men are covering that up too and forcing their Bible stories down our throats instead of honoring the people who I'd be totally fine with straight up murdering me.

[PhoenixDark]

...I should have come up with this. Brilliant. 

[Polident]

This is partly based on experience, white people who apologize for being white tend to harbor a real darkness inside. Like the self described male feminist thing. They’re overcompensating for something they did or think. Not saying being openly racist and sexist is better. That’s the other side of not seeing women or non-whites as actual people. Along those same lines, non white people that welcome those attitudes have their own issues. Treating people like people goes a long way to not being a dickhead.

[benji]

...I should have come up with this. Brilliant. 

NOT FUNNY

 definitely looks like a yt movie, so no thanks from this yt who knows to stay out of theaters to protect Black bodies

[benji]

This is partly based on experience, white people who apologize for being white tend to harbor a real darkness inside. Like the self described male feminist thing. They’re overcompensating for something they did or think. 

I mean, these days they pretty explicitly tell you that you need to think and stress constantly about race, assume stereotypes based on race, view people as little more than products of their race and keep to your own race while hunting for secret encoded racist messages they claim the racists are always hiding everywhere. A lot of them will even straight up tell you how horribly racist they are. You can't be Born Again unless you've sinned and most of them are willing to share stories about how even more racist they used to be before they saw the Light and did the work to improve to merely just terribly racist.

[HaughtyFrank]

NOT FUNNY

 definitely looks like a yt movie, so no thanks from this yt who knows to stay out of theaters to protect Black bodies

"This movie about a black man who struggles with his black identity, because he keeps being told by white publishers that he isn't black enough deeply resonates with me, but also the lead isn't black enough because he has lighter skin than Idris Elba "

Sometimes people miss the forest for the trees

[HardcoreRetro]

"starring the half melanated and 2/3 of the hollywood-acceptable dark-skins"

Imagine writing this and thinking you're the good guy.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Sometimes people miss the forest for the trees

And other times, they're just arseholes.

[benji]

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

40$ for five hours of babysitting AND they take care of the food? Shit, I'd do it just to get away from the snot goblins.

[Polident]

As somebody undecided about having children, I don’t understand the hate they have for kids. The uncle role is pretty awesome. In fact my hesitation in having children is knowing they will rebel against me trying to turn them into jocks. Just know one day I’ll come home and see little Vegeta playing Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne instead of lifting weights.

[benji]

[Polident]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1714416175575187739
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If nothing else, this past week should be a wake up call for all the stupid shit from the last decade. They can reverse all this. Make America G… wait a minute.

[D3RANG3D]