Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Boredfrom]

Dice wants to be the white nepenthe.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Dice wants to be the white nepenthe.

Nepenthe is already the white Nepenthe.

[benji]

1. Do pointless violence against near-random targets.
2. The state crushes you supported by capital and the fascist majority of the population.
3. Repeat until victory through systemic change.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-you-had-to-do-is-pay-us-enough-to-live-worker-says-as-he-lights-paper-on-fire-at-a-kimberly-clark-warehouse.1487038/#post-153591397

The "protest shouldn't inconvenience anyone!" brigade is out in full force I see.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-you-had-to-do-is-pay-us-enough-to-live-worker-says-as-he-lights-paper-on-fire-at-a-kimberly-clark-warehouse.1487038/#post-153591604

He could have written a strongly worded letter and posted it in the company suggestion box!

There's nothing CEOs fear more than a letter that they immediately throw in the trash!


If people are clutching pearls over stuff like this, they're going to faint over what people start doing next. "Respectability politics" and "protesting the right way" (I.e. easily ignored) never works.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-you-had-to-do-is-pay-us-enough-to-live-worker-says-as-he-lights-paper-on-fire-at-a-kimberly-clark-warehouse.1487038/page-2#post-153592111

"The argument of the broken window pane is the most valuable argument in modern politics"

^^That was a suffragette but honestly it applies. Asking people to continue to behave rationally while they are ground down to dust beneath the boots of capitalism is a failing endeavor. A few more of these are more likely to bring about structural change than holding a funny sign in a designated protest zone.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-you-had-to-do-is-pay-us-enough-to-live-worker-says-as-he-lights-paper-on-fire-at-a-kimberly-clark-warehouse.1487038/page-2#post-153593188

"All you had to do is pay us enough to live," then proceeds to ensure no one gets paid again. Literal dumbass.

I bet you'd hate to learn why sabotage is called sabotage.

His coworkers are going to suffer horrifically in the wake of this while the people responsible for their low wages will get to collect insurance.

Why can't change just be painless and convenient and happen from my comfy couch 😭

The "protest shouldn't inconvenience anyone!" brigade is out in full force I see.

Yep, the clowns and liberals are present and accounted for.

Support of revolution and fighting back…except for the revolution and fighting back happening now. Always good as long as nobody is inconvenienced. The types that will say they supported and were there all along. No critique of the capital owners actions that led workers to sabotage; only critique for the workers.

Like clockwork.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-you-had-to-do-is-pay-us-enough-to-live-worker-says-as-he-lights-paper-on-fire-at-a-kimberly-clark-warehouse.1487038/page-2#post-153594721

Nice. Just don't film yourself.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-you-had-to-do-is-pay-us-enough-to-live-worker-says-as-he-lights-paper-on-fire-at-a-kimberly-clark-warehouse.1487038/page-2#post-153594934

A-fucking-men. Protests that aren't disruptive aren't protests - they're virtue signalling, self-congratulatory theater.

That still has a place, to be clear. But if that's *all* you have, you aren't really trying to make change. Change requires power and leverage, period.

At least these users are getting pretty severe pushback in that thread

[Jonsey]

Nep is right all the worst posters on there are white

[Nintex]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/history-buffs-is-napoleon-bonaparte-considered-the-best-general-in-history-with-relatively-modern-armies.1487158/

Relatively modern meaning actual ranking systems and organization. The Romans were probably among the first to have organized armies — centurions, etc.

Moreover, he implemented many innovative strategies, such as having self-contained units of soldiers, with support, cavalry, and infantry, all in one unit. This aided in speed and mobility. This has been copied ever since. As a tactic RPG fan, it makes sense!

Again, not an expert here, but he seems to be held in very high esteem as a military leader and the top dude.

It's a tie between Rommel and Trump.

Rommel for managing to win against the well dug in British and French colonial forces with the undersupplied Africa Corps after dealing with France.
If it wasn't for Hitler and the Luftwaffe fucking about he would've managed to drive straight to India and meet up with the Japanese in China.

Trump for defeating ISIS without much of a problem, Venezuela in ~6 hours and now Iran in a matter of weeks.

Third place probably the new President of Syria but that guy had a lot of help from Turkey.

Worst one, probably Putin. From top tier to 2 miles at the cost of 629431 casualties.

[benji]

"Wow, did you see that Bob set the warehouse on fire and quit? That makes me think we should seize control of the factory even though we have none of the capital necessary to operate it."

[Potato]

"Wow, did you see that Bob set the warehouse on fire and quit? That makes me think we should seize control of the factory even though we have none of the capital necessary to operate it."

"We also no longer have a warehouse to store anything..."

[Taco Bell Tower]

Huh, I didn't really watch the video, just assumed it was some AI fake. Crazy fire though, the whole warehouse is gone. Don't live close enough to be impacted, could see the smoke the other day.

[Taco Bell Tower]

That fire thread really brings out the idiots from Ree

Former janny Volimar

Glad no one was hurt.


Pay your employees a fair wage though.

How are they gonna pay them now?

OP nsilivas

People try asking the nice way. When you ignore ppl eventually this will happen. Did none of y'all pay attention to history class? Its not the "right" way to go about it but when you run out of options and your struggling some ppl do something crazy..

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Apparently people could have been killed in that fire but hey

[benji]

OP nsilivas

People try asking the nice way. When you ignore ppl eventually this will happen. Did none of y'all pay attention to history class? Its not the "right" way to go about it but when you run out of options and your struggling some ppl do something crazy..

Kind of makes it sound like the mob when you put it like that.

Also, I have another question, when did the workers give this single guy authority to act on their behalf? Or are we just not even pretending to care about consent, solidarity and collective action? 

[Boredfrom]

Hey I don't think arson is great, but I'd love more suggestion for how to go after them (*without getting killed/arrested).

[Nintex]

The guy lighting that warehouse on fire is the canary in the coal mine.

[benji]

Hey I don't think arson is great, but I'd love more suggestion for how to go after them (*without getting killed/arrested).

Average Era prominent member:

*anything at all*
                         opportunity to engage in violence (ideally without consequences for me personally)?

[Potato]

That fire thread really brings out the idiots from Ree

Former janny Volimar

Glad no one was hurt.


Pay your employees a fair wage though.

How are they gonna pay them now?

How about we start with the for-profit forum paying moderators a fair wage?

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And what about a open, fair and equitable application process for hiring them?

[benji]

It's probably a good thing that many of them are self-imposed shut-ins who are unable to talk to others, especially cis women, in the real world considering their general belief that the appropriate response to asking for something and being told no is to immediately become unreasonable, hostile and violent.

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But you know what? Fuck, it felt GOOD to look him in the eye and let my thoughts on him be known. I'm not going to fucking bend the knee to his Alpha Male bullshit. We ball, we STAND AND FIGHT where I'm from.

[Boredfrom]

As uncomfortable as it is for folks in this thread, this is resistance emblematic of a proletariat "fuck this shit" uprising and it will get worse. I don't know how the fuck you even survive on a shit wage. I was balancing my budget on a $60k salary living in a high COL area at a company where people were making $24k in retail. I have 0 sympathy for pearl clutching here. Shit is fucking dire.

When downtown Portland was on fire during the BLM protests, the chaos came to everyone because the peaceful option failed. If that makes you uncomfortable, you should be out in the streets now before it's happening on your lawn. Once it is, chaos reigns, and it reigns for a good cause. If that makes you uncomfortable, go start "rearranging some property" in your local municipality before it boils over. If nothing stops the tide, there will come a day where society collapses, and ya'll are going to be left for dead in the streets by the US government. They're already doing it to the homeless across the country, and that bar is moving up every fucking day.

Every day I biked to work past people left to die in the streets. Every fucking day.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kyoto-animation-a-silent-voice-haruhi-free-clannad-on-fire-in-premeditated-arson-attack-update-death-toll-reaches-36-see-staff-post.129650/

Dude just wanted what was due (according to him), they stole his idea.

[benji]

As uncomfortable as it is for folks in this thread, this is resistance emblematic of a proletariat "fuck this shit" uprising and it will get worse. I don't know how the fuck you even survive on a shit wage. I was balancing my budget on a $60k salary living in a high COL area at a company where people were making $24k in retail. I have 0 sympathy for pearl clutching here. Shit is fucking dire.

When downtown Portland was on fire during the BLM protests, the chaos came to everyone because the peaceful option failed. If that makes you uncomfortable, you should be out in the streets now before it's happening on your lawn. Once it is, chaos reigns, and it reigns for a good cause. If that makes you uncomfortable, go start "rearranging some property" in your local municipality before it boils over. If nothing stops the tide, there will come a day where society collapses, and ya'll are going to be left for dead in the streets by the US government.

We should ask the 95+% of the world who make less than $60K a year. And the 99.9% of everyone in human history who have.

[HaughtyFrank]

Do you have any examples of where setting a warehouse on fire was successful in doing anything positive?

Not exactly, but The Ludlow Massacre gave us a lot of more strict adherence to labor laws. A great video on it from PBS

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-you-had-to-do-is-pay-us-enough-to-live-worker-says-as-he-lights-paper-on-fire-at-a-kimberly-clark-warehouse.1487038/post-153597106

"Not exactly"

One could even go as far as saying that burning down a warehouse and an anti-strike militia massacring workers, women and children are entirely different things...

[benji]

Capitalism trembled in the wake:

Although the UMWA failed to win recognition from the company, the strike had a lasting effect both on conditions at the Colorado mines and on labor relations nationally. John D. Rockefeller Jr. engaged W. L. Mackenzie King, a labor relations expert and future Canadian Prime Minister, to help him develop reforms for the mines and towns. Improvements included paved roads and recreational facilities, as well as worker representation on committees dealing with working conditions, safety, health, and recreation. He prohibited discrimination against workers who had belonged to unions and ordered the establishment of a company union. The miners voted to accept the Rockefeller plan.

Rockefeller Jr. also brought in pioneer public relations expert Ivy Lee, who warned that the Rockefellers were losing public support and developed a strategy that Rockefeller followed to repair it. Rockefeller had to overcome his shyness, go to Colorado to meet the miners and their families, inspect the homes and the factories, attend social events, and listen closely to the grievances. This was novel advice, and attracted widespread media attention. The Rockefellers were able both to resolve the conflict, and present a more humanized version of their leaders.

It's doubtful it had any specific impact on what Wikipedia claims: the eight-hour workday and child labor laws. These were already becoming standard well before 1914, and weren't federally enacted until 25 years later after most states had already enacted them.

In Colorado the miners had already gotten an eight-hour work day in 1898. That's why these miners were trying to join the UMWA. Notice that Rockefeller managed to deny them this and got them to join a company union instead.

[Shecky Fragbaum]

310 guests?

Likely here looking for receipts from when they tried to smear Black Chamber as a Trumper to justify the ban ex post facto.

[Snoopy]

As uncomfortable as it is for folks in this thread, this is resistance emblematic of a proletariat "fuck this shit" uprising and it will get worse. I don't know how the fuck you even survive on a shit wage. I was balancing my budget on a $60k salary living in a high COL area at a company where people were making $24k in retail. I have 0 sympathy for pearl clutching here. Shit is fucking dire.

When downtown Portland was on fire during the BLM protests, the chaos came to everyone because the peaceful option failed. If that makes you uncomfortable, you should be out in the streets now before it's happening on your lawn. Once it is, chaos reigns, and it reigns for a good cause. If that makes you uncomfortable, go start "rearranging some property" in your local municipality before it boils over. If nothing stops the tide, there will come a day where society collapses, and ya'll are going to be left for dead in the streets by the US government. They're already doing it to the homeless across the country, and that bar is moving up every fucking day.

Every day I biked to work past people left to die in the streets. Every fucking day.

I hate cunts like this and the way they talk about the working class. The proletariat. Lol. Take your bike and your 60k and get fucked.

[filler]

more and more this thread just feels like making fun of special needs kids/adults 


there's gotta be better forums to make fun of. maybe I'll dig around in neogaf later 

[El Derpo]

From Constructive 

Yeah, it was a unique circumstance, a fucked up confluence of events that led to a lot of hurt and bitter conversations. Rehashing it every time there's some minor Cyberpunk 2077 news is frustrating, and it really shouldn't be used as a precedent for other issues.

Who the fuck was hurt and bittered from said conversations?  Yasssssss kween Kyuiji was fucking giggling like a schoolgirl when he did the Australia trick to get Cyberpunk 2077 early and posted how much he came from playing it.

So is CP2077 discussion banned because of transphobia? Or because someone got pissy about who made the OT for the game and decided that the righteous thing to do was to go full discord mob and ban discussion altogether?

If it’s transphobia, doesn’t seem like people are actually too upset about it as their righteous indignation didn’t extend to not playing the game. If it’s people’s feelings being hurt, holy shit it was 6 years ago you absolute weirdos.

The hoops that people need to jump through to discuss a video game on a video game forum man…

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/paul-tassi-i-can-confirm-marathon’s-budget-is-over-200-million-likely-more-than-250-million.1487107/

The issue is that the ones pushing it the most are chuds and losers

Who have a reputation if making shit up

Ah yes the ever present chud boogeyman

its almost a 3 billion loss for sony. they need to shut the shit down, dismantle bungie and set up a new studio with the employes. the company bungie is pure trash. just keep the staff, shut down the studio and split the employees up in smaller teams working on something better

That's the worst thing I've read today and I've seen Trump posts.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-you-had-to-do-is-pay-us-enough-to-live-worker-says-as-he-lights-paper-on-fire-at-a-kimberly-clark-warehouse.1487038/#post-153591397

 User banned (1 week): attacking other users

The "protest shouldn't inconvenience anyone!" brigade is out in full force I see.

 User banned (1 week): attacking other users

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-you-had-to-do-is-pay-us-enough-to-live-worker-says-as-he-lights-paper-on-fire-at-a-kimberly-clark-warehouse.1487038/page-2#post-153593188

"All you had to do is pay us enough to live," then proceeds to ensure no one gets paid again. Literal dumbass.

I bet you'd hate to learn why sabotage is called sabotage.

His coworkers are going to suffer horrifically in the wake of this while the people responsible for their low wages will get to collect insurance.

Why can't change just be painless and convenient and happen from my comfy couch 😭

The "protest shouldn't inconvenience anyone!" brigade is out in full force I see.

Yep, the clowns and liberals are present and accounted for.
Support of revolution and fighting back…except for the revolution and fighting back happening now. Always good as long as nobody is inconvenienced. The types that will say they supported and were there all along. No critique of the capital owners actions that led workers to sabotage; only critique for the workers.
Like clockwork.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-you-had-to-do-is-pay-us-enough-to-live-worker-says-as-he-lights-paper-on-fire-at-a-kimberly-clark-warehouse.1487038/page-2#post-153594700

User banned (1 week): attacking other users

You're acting like this is one of those people that threw soup in a museum or something. The guy could have killed multiple people. Wtf are we even talking about here?

Here is the thread from when someone threw cake at the mona lisa and guess what? People lost their fucking shit at that too. 7 pages of pearl clutching. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-man-tries-to-crack-the-mona-lisa-settles-for-smearing-cake-instead-seemingly-in-the-name-of-protesting-climate-change.589019/

If we stuck with what liberals consider acceptable protests we would be working 12 hour days, six days a week and packing 6 year old little jimmy lunch to eat in the coal mines.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/all-you-had-to-do-is-pay-us-enough-to-live-worker-says-as-he-lights-paper-on-fire-at-a-kimberly-clark-warehouse.1487038/page-3#post-153596548

 User banned (1 week): attacking other users

Imagine being so angry at your boss that you make sure no other worker can feed their family, but you also give your boss a nice insurance paycheck.

And this is why the upper class will always win, because these are the geniuses on our side.

Imagine being so anti-labor that you shit on workers for lashing out after they've been pushed to their limit, and thinking that he had any chance of having his wages increased through "reasonable" means.

This is why the capitalist class will always win, rubes like this treating their capital as some sacred commodity that it's unfair to touch.

[Jansen]

From Constructive 

This place has pretty much always been a lunchroom table or a barber shop. When somebody comes in with a hot take and says it with their chest, they get roasted. If anybody ever escalates that to being actively mean to the person who made the thread, the staff handles that kind of stuff swiftly. OP also has the option to report their own thread to have it shut down, which has been done many, many times before when people did not realize their hot take was one that would get laughed at for a day.



And as far as "bullying" goes, Disney Adults is a category of people that is actively bullied and quite often shamed (hence a thread popping up like "Disney adults, amirite?") and for that group to have a rare opportunity to defend itself online is honestly quite refreshing. Some people may view what went down in that thread a negative but I view it as a positive. Disney Adults were under fire for the millionth time and they responded confidently with "nah".



I dunno. It's a thread that's existed for 24 hours and will probably have a shelf life of 72 hours, if it's lucky. A handful of people got a bit spicy with it, but OP seems to be doing just fine and they're not even the one in this thread raising awareness of some sort of thing that needs changing. I've gotten my ass roasted on this website. It comes with the territory and as long as people aren't taking to a mean level, it's fine.

[D3RANG3D]

more and more this thread just feels like making fun of special needs kids/adults 


there's gotta be better forums to make fun of. maybe I'll dig around in neogaf later 

It always has been the kids who were beat up and shoved into the lockers all the time...and their only power was to cry bully on the internet and that all eventually turned into that whole cancel culture internet gobshite...!

[benji]

dismantle bungie and set up a new studio with the employes. the company bungie is pure trash. just keep the staff, shut down the studio